RE: 2Mark - freedom, determinism....& Consciousness

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Dear Mark,

Thank you for your mail. I shall be sure to read the book you mention. I

was brought up in an English village where the old Gods live side by side

with the Christian churches and more latterly the other places of worship.

My mother taught me well about karma except she didn't call it that )

All my life I have had waking dreams of past lives (just common people -

no-one famous) which are quite different from ordinary dreams, In two cases

I have found the places.

I understand that the day and time chosen for American Independence (in our

history they were traitors and terrorists )) ) was deliberately calculated

to be auspicious according to Western astrological principals and Masonic

lore.

Love

Gili (Mary is my middle name)

 

>Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

>

><>

> 2-Mary, > Re: freedom, determinism....&

>Consciousness......,>Mark Kincaid...10/20

>Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:23:32 -0500

>

>Dear Mary:

>

>You said:

>

> Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us in the

>right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!!

>

>There's this very fascinating book, called 'Journey of Souls' written by a

>certain Michael Newton, PHD. He's a Hypnotherapist, living in Colorado,

>who

>chronicles, patients of his, who under 'regression' talk about the life,

>from 'where' we come from, before our births, and in-between our births...

>

>In this book he describes such beautiful detail about how we as souls,

>actually get very involved in picking the lives, that are coming up, before

>hand...

>

>As it is, deciding and chooseing to pick the challenges and lessons, that

>certain lives will necessarily bring...for our evolution.

>

>I found this book extremely enlightening, as it explains a quality of

>consciousness, that's intimately involved in Astrology as well.

>

>

>And this question and concern addresses a very important relationship

>between life purpose, and Jyotish.

>

>We so often 'feel' such an automatic, desire to grow, to learn to master.

>

>And that's so often at odds, with the all too often, aspect of life,

>regarding determinism or causality.

>

>Somehow the two, freedom and determinism both co-exist.

>

>We see them both, but knowing how they both could truely exist boggles the

>intellect.

>

>However, practical experience shows us, that by striving to grow, to

>improve, to even transform, we do 'change' our lives....

>

>in ways that improve, and help us avoid negatives, and even 'dangers upon

>the horizon'.

>

>I find this whole discussion extremely important especially in the light of

>the Indian or Vedic theme of loss and revival of Knowledge.

>

>There are some, Vedic scholars, by the way, who say that 'India' has gotten

>very 'lost' to this belief in fatalism. And as a result practical life has

>become very confused and unprogressive.

>

>India, for example, has forgotten that 'both' freedom and fate, co-exist,

>and believing in mostly fate, has meant much stagnation, grief, sufferings,

>because the view has persisted; because life is

>pre-determined,....therefore....accept ....

>

>In the West, we don't believe in this...

>

>We believe in growth, in change and transformation.

>

>We have it even, built into the Constitution of the United States....

>

>Though commonly we just say, 'any young person, male or female; can grow up

>to be President!'

>

>This attitude, really, has therefore allowed human genuity and creativity

>to

>blossom.

>

>As a result of this powerful 'belief', the United States has incredible

>wealth and sucess.

>

>Looking at one of the charts associated with the United States, July 4th,

>1776, the signing of the Declaration of Independence...

>

>the US, chart, has many planets in that all-important 8th house of

>transformation.

>

>'The US' believes in change, thrives in it, has many other problems, of

>youth, and Rahu's very poorly placed...but....

>

>'change' and growth, are not one of them....

>

>

>It's been quite fun watching these discussions the last few days...

>

>

>Sincerely,

>

>

>

>Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

>Founder Starlight Unlimited: m.kincaid,

>641 472-0000.

>Nature's Astrology: /

>, studying the Best of Western & Eastern Astrologys....

>

>

>

>

>

>

>"Gili Mary" <xapsarax

>

>Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:02:56 +0000

>

>RE: 2-Surya, > Re: freedom & causality..&."PLAYING WITH

>THEGRANDMASTER!"., >Mark Kincaid...10/18

>

>

>Dear All,

>

>I've lost track of who wrote this. Sorry. Please could you give the

>reference. Note the word CHOOSE in the quote!

>

>To quote a famous Vedic Scholoar: "life lived on the level of

>experimentation is a waste of time. Better to know the truth through Vedic

>Wisdom, and then choose the more right actions."

>

>Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us in the

>right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!! How can

>it

>be like a chess game the if conditions are different with each incarnation?

>We don't start a new life with the same pieces to play on the same board.

>

>

>Since you brought in physics ...

>Remember that everything in the universe comes from humble hydrogen atoms

>and the forces, energies (and music?) that holds them together. When

>hydrogen atoms are forced together to produce helium and then all the other

>higher elements heat and light energy are given off (physics)

>Further compounds formed by the sharing of outer orbit (aka energy level,

>shell) electrons of elements give more substances. (chemistry)

>The unique quality of carbon having an outer orbit of 4 electrons and

>seeking another 4 to fill its outer orbit (2nd orbit is full at 8

>electrons)

>gives the chance for long strings or rings of carbon atoms and for

>macromolecules ( biology) We carbon units need the heat and light of the

>fusion of hydrogen to exist

>How pure it is!

>

>... and where did the hydrogen atoms come from ... the primordial ocean of

>sub atomic particles ... the cosmic ocean ...

>The sages knew all this.

>Love Gili

>Sorry for drifting away from the task )

>

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