2-Mary, > freedom, determinism....& Consciousness......, >Mark Kincaid...10/20

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Dear Mary:

 

You said:

 

Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us in the

right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!!

 

There's this very fascinating book, called 'Journey of Souls' written by a

certain Michael Newton, PHD. He's a Hypnotherapist, living in Colorado, who

chronicles, patients of his, who under 'regression' talk about the life,

from 'where' we come from, before our births, and in-between our births...

 

In this book he describes such beautiful detail about how we as souls,

actually get very involved in picking the lives, that are coming up, before

hand...

 

As it is, deciding and chooseing to pick the challenges and lessons, that

certain lives will necessarily bring...for our evolution.

 

I found this book extremely enlightening, as it explains a quality of

consciousness, that's intimately involved in Astrology as well.

 

 

And this question and concern addresses a very important relationship

between life purpose, and Jyotish.

 

We so often 'feel' such an automatic, desire to grow, to learn to master.

 

And that's so often at odds, with the all too often, aspect of life,

regarding determinism or causality.

 

Somehow the two, freedom and determinism both co-exist.

 

We see them both, but knowing how they both could truely exist boggles the

intellect.

 

However, practical experience shows us, that by striving to grow, to

improve, to even transform, we do 'change' our lives....

 

in ways that improve, and help us avoid negatives, and even 'dangers upon

the horizon'.

 

I find this whole discussion extremely important especially in the light of

the Indian or Vedic theme of loss and revival of Knowledge.

 

There are some, Vedic scholars, by the way, who say that 'India' has gotten

very 'lost' to this belief in fatalism. And as a result practical life has

become very confused and unprogressive.

 

India, for example, has forgotten that 'both' freedom and fate, co-exist,

and believing in mostly fate, has meant much stagnation, grief, sufferings,

because the view has persisted; because life is

pre-determined,....therefore....accept ....

 

In the West, we don't believe in this...

 

We believe in growth, in change and transformation.

 

We have it even, built into the Constitution of the United States....

 

Though commonly we just say, 'any young person, male or female; can grow up

to be President!'

 

This attitude, really, has therefore allowed human genuity and creativity to

blossom.

 

As a result of this powerful 'belief', the United States has incredible

wealth and sucess.

 

Looking at one of the charts associated with the United States, July 4th,

1776, the signing of the Declaration of Independence...

 

the US, chart, has many planets in that all-important 8th house of

transformation.

 

'The US' believes in change, thrives in it, has many other problems, of

youth, and Rahu's very poorly placed...but....

 

'change' and growth, are not one of them....

 

 

It's been quite fun watching these discussions the last few days...

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

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, studying the Best of Western & Eastern Astrologys....

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Gili Mary" <xapsarax

 

Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:02:56 +0000

 

RE: 2-Surya, > Re: freedom & causality..&."PLAYING WITH

THEGRANDMASTER!"., >Mark Kincaid...10/18

 

 

Dear All,

 

I've lost track of who wrote this. Sorry. Please could you give the

reference. Note the word CHOOSE in the quote!

 

To quote a famous Vedic Scholoar: "life lived on the level of

experimentation is a waste of time. Better to know the truth through Vedic

Wisdom, and then choose the more right actions."

 

Perhaps we even choose the cards that are dealt in order to put us in the

right environment to learn the lessons we need to get it right!! How can it

be like a chess game the if conditions are different with each incarnation?

We don't start a new life with the same pieces to play on the same board.

 

 

Since you brought in physics ...

Remember that everything in the universe comes from humble hydrogen atoms

and the forces, energies (and music?) that holds them together. When

hydrogen atoms are forced together to produce helium and then all the other

higher elements heat and light energy are given off (physics)

Further compounds formed by the sharing of outer orbit (aka energy level,

shell) electrons of elements give more substances. (chemistry)

The unique quality of carbon having an outer orbit of 4 electrons and

seeking another 4 to fill its outer orbit (2nd orbit is full at 8 electrons)

gives the chance for long strings or rings of carbon atoms and for

macromolecules ( biology) We carbon units need the heat and light of the

fusion of hydrogen to exist

How pure it is!

 

.... and where did the hydrogen atoms come from ... the primordial ocean of

sub atomic particles ... the cosmic ocean ...

The sages knew all this.

Love Gili

Sorry for drifting away from the task )

 

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