2-Rohini & All, 4planets in a Sign!....> Mark Kincaid....10/18

October 18, 2004

I am assuming that you have mastered the one planet in a sign/house

situation, the simpler situation, and you are convinced that that

works and are now progressing towards the multiple planets in a sign

situation?

Don't tell me that you cannot tell what jupiter in 3rd house in

scorpio ascendant means, definitively!

Or can you?

If you can, then that would be the first step that a planet in a sign

in a house definitively means something!

Challenge? You bet!

RR

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

>

> hmmm...interesting. I have been following ( may be missed a few)the

> neverending discussion on cluster of planets. But again nothing

> solid or confirmed can be said. ...different charts with a cluster

> of planets in different houses show differnt results. As I say I am

> a learner and try to benefit from these discussions...

>

> --Manoshi

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> >

> > I thought saturn rots structures, and has nothing to do with

> business!

> >

> > Are you sure you are not tuning into mars, the indicator or

> structure

> > and order within chaos? Mars is the soldier, the army guy, who

> must

> > function in the orderly manner in utter chaos, during a war! His

> life

> > depends on it and so does his team-members' lives!

> >

> > Why do you think mars exalts in capricorn? Why do you think at

his

> > best, he brings forth organization amidst chaos?

> >

> > Saturn exalts in libra, hits the pit in aries. Think!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , gurmeet singh

> > <hbk1hbk2000> wrote:

> > > Hi Mark,

> > >

> > > You are absolutely right. I have seven planets in capricorn,

> I

> > have saturn like qualities. I am very structured, organized in my

> > life, and business man type of qualities.

> > >

> > > Gurmeet

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > > Dear Rohini: & All:

> > >

> > > One other point I'd like to make regarding most people's

> situations

> > of 3, 4

> > > or even 5 planets in one house...

> > >

> > > is....practical experience verifies, that almost all the time,

> these

> > > 'configurations' represent where a person has engaged in

> > activities, in the

> > > past,...that literally lead to that over concentration of

> > those 'qualities'

> > > and as a result they're living out that quality 'now', and as a

> > result

> > > learning the importance of balance...

> > >

> > > I know good examples of those with lots of Planets in Aries,

> > Taurus, Gemini,

> > > Cancer, Leo,...Virgo...etc....

> > >

> > > and all these people have way too much...

> > > Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer,...Leo...etc...

> > >

> > > Take Gemini for example, the people I know who have that 3 or 4

> > planets,

> > > have such a strong, powerful 'gemini' nature....but all that

> > gemini, gets

> > > them in trouble now today.

> > >

> > > In other words, though the good, 'Gemini' habit of being able

to

> > juggle

> > > several things at once, is okay.... but many planets in Gemini,

> > means one

> > > tends to attempt to juggle way too many things...and as a

result

> > gets way

> > > out of balance,....and over extended...and not enough time is

> left

> > to go

> > > into the necessary depth, ...of any of those areas...

> > >

> > > Another person comes to mind, who having many planets in

Cancer,

> > she's a

> > > very lovely and wonderful lady...very giving, and unselfish....

> > > like a Mother...

> > > but....her 'fault' is that she overdoes it, gives too much...

> > > and doesn't give with balance, or not how to give 'enough' to

> > herself...

> > >

> > > The details of each person's situation, is very revealing,

then,

> by

> > looking

> > > at the details of the rising sign, and what houses, the planets

> > rule that

> > > are in that 'crowded' house....

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > >

> > > Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:55:00 -0000

> > >

> > > Re: Gurmeet ji...<Tanvir>

> > >

> > > My little experience indicates that people with more than 4

> planets

> > > in a house tend to be capable of intense concentration, unless

> the

> > > planets are afflicted (general provisions apply) and

> particularly if

> > > a strong saturn is one of the players.

> > >

> > > Your email raised an interesting issue which I will just

mention

> and

> > > bow out of this erudite discussion. When possible, it is

> interesting

> > > to take a look at the relative's horoscope also. Eventually

cases

> > > will emerge where a horoscope has certain + or - influences

> > indicated

> > > for a relative in a chart. The similar + or - influence may or

> may

> > > not be depicted in the relative's chart during that given

period.

> > > Would be educational to study these two cohorts (both charts

show

> > > similar effects, or do not) and to study their experiences.

> > >

> > > A scenario is forming over time in my mind that some people

> respond

> > > to their charts better than others. I am sure there will be

> several

> > > suggestions for combinations that would be forwarded to explain

> > these

> > > two cohorts (responders vs non-responders to the starry theme!)

> but

> > > nothing that will clinch the diagnosis cold, as yet. The search

> > > continues!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , gurmeet singh

> > > <hbk1hbk2000> wrote:

> > > > Every chart has some problems, no one has perfect chart. So

one

> > > should feel happy with whatever he gets in his life. The seven

> > > planets in 11th house are helping me fulfill my desires,

> ambitions

> > in

> > > life. I was told by many astrologers in india long time back I

> will

> > > not be successful in my birth country. I must leave my birth

> place

> > to

> > > be successful. They were right, nothing worked for me in india.

> But

> > > after I moved to US, I got success, money, fulfillment of

> desires.

> > > Last 3 years were not so good because I was in the last 3 years

> of

> > > Rahu mahadasha. Rahu mahadasa gives more problems in the first

> > three

> > > years and the last three years. Jan, Feb 2005 should be

> interesting

> > > months for me as Jupiter from Virgo will be trining all my seven

> > > planets in 11th house and I will be Jupiter mahadasha.

> > > >

> > > > Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:I would not like more than three

> > > planets in a house. For several reasons. First it loses the

> balance

> > > of the chart. If benefics are in the same sign then it makes the

> > > houses good but then other houses lose the blessings. Benefics

> all

> > > over the chart [one sign per benefic] makes it balanced and

then

> > they

> > > might end up aspecting / joining all the 12 houses in the

chart,

> > that

> > > is good. Well I would only like to join benefics only once,

that

> is

> > a

> > > good Kendra lord and a good Kona lord - to form a Raja Yoga,

> LOL! [i

> > > have it already.]

> > > >

> > > > Then malefics in a same house make it very worse. The house

> > suffers

> > > too much. And not the other houses spare, never think so.

> Because,

> > > for sign aspect, the malefics in the same house end up having

> > aspects

> > > on 3 other same signs/houses, again heavily afflicting those

> houses.

> > > >

> > > > I have 4 planets in my 4th house. Su [12L], Merc [1L, 10L],

Ve

> > [2L,

> > > 9L] and Ke. My family is troubled time to time. Maternal

> happiness

> > is

> > > troubled in Su and Ke period seriously. Even Asc lord Merc

> suffers a

> > > lot. But thanks, 9L Ve is there, he does absolutely superb to

> make

> > up

> > > everything in his periods. Then the 4th house is owned by

another

> > > benefic, Ju. I believe for a Virgo Asc., if Ju is well placed,

> then

> > > he is a very good benefic. I do not consider going malefic for

> > owning

> > > houses 4 or 7. I do not blame Kendra Adhipati Dosha either. It

> is a

> > > different topic Parasara talked about. I mean, I feel he had

> > > something else in mind.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Tanvir.

> > > >

> > > > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > > >

> > > > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > > > Cellular: +88 0189407202

> > > > Mail: lord_narayana@l...

> > > > Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> > > > Forum:

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > Bharat Vyas

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:10 PM

> > > > Re: Gurmeet ji...

> > > >

> > > > I feel if someone has that many planets in a particular

> house

> > the

> > > best

> > > > position would be 3rd house or 11th house cause i feel it

> would

> > > also

> > > > influence the house its having aspect on....and 3 and 11

> being

> > > malefic

> > > > house the malefics in malefic house wont harm you much

where

> as

> > > when

> > > > they give u good results the results are excellent. and

when

> > they

> > > are

> > > > aspecting 5 or 9th house from either 3 or 11 house their

> aspect

> > > would

> > > > spoil u much cause eventually the aspecting planet might

end

> up

> > > owing

> > > > that house. so i feel if you have any number of planets on

3

> or

> > 11

> > > > would end up giving good results in general. of course we

> have

> > to

> > > > consider position of rahu and ketu.

> > > >

> > > > I am not an expert but this what i feel. Tanvir ji and other

> > > members

> > > > please comment.

> > > >

> > > > Bharat

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October 18, 2004

I think three planets in a house is ok.

I do agree that great personalities have more than 4 planets in a house.

If it exceeds 3 - say 4 or 5 or even sometimes more than that - I feel

prediction is more difficult. One cannot confirm something in those cases.

I think some research should be done on this area and should come out with

precise rulings for more than 3 planet combinations.

Probably someone might have already researched in this area - If they could come

out with their findings, it would be of great use to the group.

Regards

Arvind

Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

Dear Rohini: & All:

One other point I'd like to make regarding most people's situations of 3, 4

or even 5 planets in one house...

is....practical experience verifies, that almost all the time, these

'configurations' represent where a person has engaged in activities, in the

past,...that literally lead to that over concentration of those 'qualities'

and as a result they're living out that quality 'now', and as a result

learning the importance of balance...

I know good examples of those with lots of Planets in Aries, Taurus, Gemini,

Cancer, Leo,...Virgo...etc....

and all these people have way too much...

Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer,...Leo...etc...

Take Gemini for example, the people I know who have that 3 or 4 planets,

have such a strong, powerful 'gemini' nature....but all that gemini, gets

them in trouble now today.

In other words, though the good, 'Gemini' habit of being able to juggle

several things at once, is okay.... but many planets in Gemini, means one

tends to attempt to juggle way too many things...and as a result gets way

out of balance,....and over extended...and not enough time is left to go

into the necessary depth, ...of any of those areas...

Another person comes to mind, who having many planets in Cancer, she's a

very lovely and wonderful lady...very giving, and unselfish....

like a Mother...

but....her 'fault' is that she overdoes it, gives too much...

and doesn't give with balance, or not how to give 'enough' to herself...

The details of each person's situation, is very revealing, then, by looking

at the details of the rising sign, and what houses, the planets rule that

are in that 'crowded' house....

Sincerely,

Mark Kincaid

"rohiniranjan" <rrgb

Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:55:00 -0000

Re: Gurmeet ji...<Tanvir>

My little experience indicates that people with more than 4 planets

in a house tend to be capable of intense concentration, unless the

planets are afflicted (general provisions apply) and particularly if

a strong saturn is one of the players.

Your email raised an interesting issue which I will just mention and

bow out of this erudite discussion. When possible, it is interesting

to take a look at the relative's horoscope also. Eventually cases

will emerge where a horoscope has certain + or - influences indicated

for a relative in a chart. The similar + or - influence may or may

not be depicted in the relative's chart during that given period.

Would be educational to study these two cohorts (both charts show

similar effects, or do not) and to study their experiences.

A scenario is forming over time in my mind that some people respond

to their charts better than others. I am sure there will be several

suggestions for combinations that would be forwarded to explain these

two cohorts (responders vs non-responders to the starry theme!) but

nothing that will clinch the diagnosis cold, as yet. The search

continues!

RR

, gurmeet singh

<hbk1hbk2000> wrote:

> Every chart has some problems, no one has perfect chart. So one

should feel happy with whatever he gets in his life. The seven

planets in 11th house are helping me fulfill my desires, ambitions in

life. I was told by many astrologers in india long time back I will

not be successful in my birth country. I must leave my birth place to

be successful. They were right, nothing worked for me in india. But

after I moved to US, I got success, money, fulfillment of desires.

Last 3 years were not so good because I was in the last 3 years of

Rahu mahadasha. Rahu mahadasa gives more problems in the first three

years and the last three years. Jan, Feb 2005 should be interesting

months for me as Jupiter from Virgo will be trining all my seven

planets in 11th house and I will be Jupiter mahadasha.

>

> Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:I would not like more than three

planets in a house. For several reasons. First it loses the balance

of the chart. If benefics are in the same sign then it makes the

houses good but then other houses lose the blessings. Benefics all

over the chart [one sign per benefic] makes it balanced and then they

might end up aspecting / joining all the 12 houses in the chart, that

is good. Well I would only like to join benefics only once, that is a

good Kendra lord and a good Kona lord - to form a Raja Yoga, LOL! [i

have it already.]

>

> Then malefics in a same house make it very worse. The house suffers

too much. And not the other houses spare, never think so. Because,

for sign aspect, the malefics in the same house end up having aspects

on 3 other same signs/houses, again heavily afflicting those houses.

>

> I have 4 planets in my 4th house. Su [12L], Merc [1L, 10L], Ve [2L,

9L] and Ke. My family is troubled time to time. Maternal happiness is

troubled in Su and Ke period seriously. Even Asc lord Merc suffers a

lot. But thanks, 9L Ve is there, he does absolutely superb to make up

everything in his periods. Then the 4th house is owned by another

benefic, Ju. I believe for a Virgo Asc., if Ju is well placed, then

he is a very good benefic. I do not consider going malefic for owning

houses 4 or 7. I do not blame Kendra Adhipati Dosha either. It is a

different topic Parasara talked about. I mean, I feel he had

something else in mind.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Cellular: +88 0189407202

> Mail: lord_narayana@l...

> Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> Forum:

>

> -

> Bharat Vyas

>

> Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:10 PM

> Re: Gurmeet ji...

>

> I feel if someone has that many planets in a particular house the

best

> position would be 3rd house or 11th house cause i feel it would

also

> influence the house its having aspect on....and 3 and 11 being

malefic

> house the malefics in malefic house wont harm you much where as

when

> they give u good results the results are excellent. and when they

are

> aspecting 5 or 9th house from either 3 or 11 house their aspect

would

> spoil u much cause eventually the aspecting planet might end up

owing

> that house. so i feel if you have any number of planets on 3 or 11

> would end up giving good results in general. of course we have to

> consider position of rahu and ketu.

>

> I am not an expert but this what i feel. Tanvir ji and other

members

> please comment.

>

> Bharat

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October 18, 2004

Dear Rohiniranjan Ji and Mr. Mark

>>a stronger representation and attunement in the nativity's >>life

Can you provide the details of what does it signify if planets are amassed in

each house. Say if planets are more in leo, what does it signify...similarlly

for other houses too...

Regards

Arvind

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

In my experience, and this could be very different from yours (for

statistical reasons given very early on by me in my jyotish

writings), kanya lagna/rashi tends to be more of the multi-tasking

kind you attribute to mithuna. Mithuna tend to be very

focussed/concentrated kinds generally and can probably benefit from a

bunch of benefics being there. By the same token, a bunch of malefics

could pose a challenge to the mithuna trying to focus!

Please note that this is not definitive, as we know one factor does

not bring home the cows, as they say.

Your point about more planets in a sign, giving a stronger

representation and attunement in the nativity's life to that sign is

reasonable.

RR

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini: & All:

>

> One other point I'd like to make regarding most people's situations

of 3, 4

> or even 5 planets in one house...

>

> is....practical experience verifies, that almost all the time, these

> 'configurations' represent where a person has engaged in

activities, in the

> past,...that literally lead to that over concentration of

those 'qualities'

> and as a result they're living out that quality 'now', and as a

result

> learning the importance of balance...

>

> I know good examples of those with lots of Planets in Aries,

Taurus, Gemini,

> Cancer, Leo,...Virgo...etc....

>

> and all these people have way too much...

> Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer,...Leo...etc...

>

> Take Gemini for example, the people I know who have that 3 or 4

planets,

> have such a strong, powerful 'gemini' nature....but all that

gemini, gets

> them in trouble now today.

>

> In other words, though the good, 'Gemini' habit of being able to

juggle

> several things at once, is okay.... but many planets in Gemini,

means one

> tends to attempt to juggle way too many things...and as a result

gets way

> out of balance,....and over extended...and not enough time is left

to go

> into the necessary depth, ...of any of those areas...

>

> Another person comes to mind, who having many planets in Cancer,

she's a

> very lovely and wonderful lady...very giving, and unselfish....

> like a Mother...

> but....her 'fault' is that she overdoes it, gives too much...

> and doesn't give with balance, or not how to give 'enough' to

herself...

>

> The details of each person's situation, is very revealing, then, by

looking

> at the details of the rising sign, and what houses, the planets

rule that

> are in that 'crowded' house....

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

>

> Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:55:00 -0000

>

> Re: Gurmeet ji...<Tanvir>

>

> My little experience indicates that people with more than 4 planets

> in a house tend to be capable of intense concentration, unless the

> planets are afflicted (general provisions apply) and particularly if

> a strong saturn is one of the players.

>

> Your email raised an interesting issue which I will just mention and

> bow out of this erudite discussion. When possible, it is interesting

> to take a look at the relative's horoscope also. Eventually cases

> will emerge where a horoscope has certain + or - influences

indicated

> for a relative in a chart. The similar + or - influence may or may

> not be depicted in the relative's chart during that given period.

> Would be educational to study these two cohorts (both charts show

> similar effects, or do not) and to study their experiences.

>

> A scenario is forming over time in my mind that some people respond

> to their charts better than others. I am sure there will be several

> suggestions for combinations that would be forwarded to explain

these

> two cohorts (responders vs non-responders to the starry theme!) but

> nothing that will clinch the diagnosis cold, as yet. The search

> continues!

>

> RR

>

> , gurmeet singh

> <hbk1hbk2000> wrote:

> > Every chart has some problems, no one has perfect chart. So one

> should feel happy with whatever he gets in his life. The seven

> planets in 11th house are helping me fulfill my desires, ambitions

in

> life. I was told by many astrologers in india long time back I will

> not be successful in my birth country. I must leave my birth place

to

> be successful. They were right, nothing worked for me in india. But

> after I moved to US, I got success, money, fulfillment of desires.

> Last 3 years were not so good because I was in the last 3 years of

> Rahu mahadasha. Rahu mahadasa gives more problems in the first

three

> years and the last three years. Jan, Feb 2005 should be interesting

> months for me as Jupiter from Virgo will be trining all my seven

> planets in 11th house and I will be Jupiter mahadasha.

> >

> > Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:I would not like more than three

> planets in a house. For several reasons. First it loses the balance

> of the chart. If benefics are in the same sign then it makes the

> houses good but then other houses lose the blessings. Benefics all

> over the chart [one sign per benefic] makes it balanced and then

they

> might end up aspecting / joining all the 12 houses in the chart,

that

> is good. Well I would only like to join benefics only once, that is

a

> good Kendra lord and a good Kona lord - to form a Raja Yoga, LOL! [i

> have it already.]

> >

> > Then malefics in a same house make it very worse. The house

suffers

> too much. And not the other houses spare, never think so. Because,

> for sign aspect, the malefics in the same house end up having

aspects

> on 3 other same signs/houses, again heavily afflicting those houses.

> >

> > I have 4 planets in my 4th house. Su [12L], Merc [1L, 10L], Ve

[2L,

> 9L] and Ke. My family is troubled time to time. Maternal happiness

is

> troubled in Su and Ke period seriously. Even Asc lord Merc suffers a

> lot. But thanks, 9L Ve is there, he does absolutely superb to make

up

> everything in his periods. Then the 4th house is owned by another

> benefic, Ju. I believe for a Virgo Asc., if Ju is well placed, then

> he is a very good benefic. I do not consider going malefic for

owning

> houses 4 or 7. I do not blame Kendra Adhipati Dosha either. It is a

> different topic Parasara talked about. I mean, I feel he had

> something else in mind.

> >

> > Regards

> > Tanvir.

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > Cellular: +88 0189407202

> > Mail: lord_narayana@l...

> > Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> > Forum:

> >

> > -

> > Bharat Vyas

> >

> > Wednesday, October 06, 2004 11:10 PM

> > Re: Gurmeet ji...

> >

> > I feel if someone has that many planets in a particular house

the

> best

> > position would be 3rd house or 11th house cause i feel it would

> also

> > influence the house its having aspect on....and 3 and 11 being

> malefic

> > house the malefics in malefic house wont harm you much where as

> when

> > they give u good results the results are excellent. and when

they

> are

> > aspecting 5 or 9th house from either 3 or 11 house their aspect

> would

> > spoil u much cause eventually the aspecting planet might end up

> owing

> > that house. so i feel if you have any number of planets on 3 or

11

> > would end up giving good results in general. of course we have

to

> > consider position of rahu and ketu.

> >

> > I am not an expert but this what i feel. Tanvir ji and other

> members

> > please comment.

> >

> > Bharat

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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October 18, 2004

Hello Arvind,

I have 7 planets in one sign, and many famous astrologers made mistakes in

analysing my astrology chart. Then I decided to learn astrology 15 years ago. I

studied astrology with some very famous vedic astrologers in US and India. Now I

make my own predictions. I know which planet is good or bad for me. I would say

my worst planet is sun, it rules 6th house and is posted in 11th house with 6

other planets. I had gone through very difficult time in sun mahadasa. Rahu

period was very good and very bad.

Regards

Gurmeet

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