2-Surya, > freedom & causality..&.PLAYING WITH THE GRANDMASTER!., >Mark Kincaid...10/18

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Dear Surya:

 

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surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

 

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 01:57:03 -0700 (PDT)

 

RE: 2-V.Sreelatha, > Re: Co-esistence of freedom &

causality...., >Mark Kincaid...10/13

 

 

Hello,

 

I have not followed the entire thread so far .. so

please ignore this mail if I am talking late ...

 

Regards to the mail below ... the process of dealing

the cards is entirely random .. in which case we will

not have the game we desire to play ...

 

I understand what you're saying, however, once we start to learn out charts,

it begins to appear to us, that what seems to be coming to us in a supposed

'random' way, may in another very profound way, be related to us, and our

charts....

 

If this was to be a limited example of what you

intended then please ignore my above comments ..

 

I like to think of life as a game of chess that we

play with a grandmaster ... when we start we dont know

the rules .. but we make the moves ... with every move

we learn the rules better .. in the process we lose

many games ... with every loss there is an associated

process of forming strategies to succeed ... there are

always elements of surprises ... we thik we have

learnt all teh rules .. but eventually get stumped

when a pawn becomes a queen on reaching the enemy post

.... after many series of such learning/losing/re

evaluations we finally win !! ... then the we become

grandmasters ..

 

I love your analogy here....

 

I think it's very accurate.

 

In fact, this seems to be God's only single rule.

 

That we have freedom to do whatever we want, only we will be struck with

having to pay the consequences of our actions...

 

Which I think is very nicely described in a modern Physics expression re.

atomic particles: "for every action, there's an equal an oppositie,

reaction"....

 

 

 

I have had this view that the formation of the

universe had a basic premise (albeit hidden one)

however the process of evolution itself is random

guided by this premise... the moment consciousness

comes in contact of this randomness, it has the free

will to choose it's process of learning through losses

and march onwards towards winning ...

 

Now this gets into another aspect of Vedic Knowlege that I'm aware of.

 

To quote a famous Vedic Scholoar: "life lived on the level of

experimentation is a waste of time. Better to know the truth through Vedic

Wisdom, and then choose the more right actions."

 

Having gone through many kinds of disappointments and failures in my life,

now, since I've learned Jyotish, it's become very clear to me, that I wish I

had, had, this knowledge...

 

As it is, I've also probably, saved myself much grief and unhappiness

because I've gained insight into my mistakes and weaknesses,....so now I'm

better able to avoid the dangers on the horizon...

 

 

Tantra/vedas every religion say that god and man are

one ... but we objectively never understand this to be

the truth ... there is a fear of all this being humbug

..,.. but if it is true that there was a orignial

premise for the formation of the universe then we need

not fear ... because through all losses it's this

premise that will guide us towards winning ...

 

Beautiful point, and also this 'Knowledge'...that we are a part of that

great oneness...

 

also draws us to that state, so that,...we gain the infinite organizing

power of nature, so we can do and accomplish anything!

 

 

 

Every religion says, Love .. astrology says that the

universe was not created to be in perfect harmony ..

how much simpler can the message get "Across the

parities .. just love" ...

 

To see the 'perfection' in the Universe's seeming endless, chaos and

imperfection...

 

is very important...

 

Once we realize that we are not victims, or suffer the consequences of

random, idle, insensitive actions or chaos, and in fact,....

 

we are the orchestrators of our situations...

 

then, we can accept the power and empowerment...

 

to literally, change our situation!

 

Then we will not feel powerless...

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

founder....Starlight Unlimited...

and

Natuer's Astrology...

m.kincaid

641 472-0000

 

 

 

 

After reading some of the postings .. I feel really

dwarfed ... this is my "one annas" worth !!

 

 

--- Gili Mary <xapsarax wrote:

 

> Dear All,

> Simply put ... isn't it just that we are dealt the

> cards but we have a

> choice of how we play them?

> Love,Gili

>

> >Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> >

> ><>

> > 2-V.Sreelatha, > Re: Co-esistence of

> freedom &

> >causality...., >Mark Kincaid...10/13

> >Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:23:43 -0500

> >

> >Dear V. Sreelatha, & All:

> >

> >I think it's healthy to understand we have the

> power and potential of

> >'freedom' and even 'free will', but,....also

> that....

> >

> >that ability to exercise that free will, can and

> does get diminished, the

> >more malefic influences are going on in our

> charts...

> >

> >Therefore it's possible to in fact, increase our

> ability to have more power

> >of freedom of will.

> >

> >This means we can grow.

> >

> >The issue of free will and determinism.....looks

> like an eternal arguement,

> >and there are good answers on both side...

> >

> >However, I believe that in some strange and

> mysterious way, the true answer

> >is that 'both' do exist!

> >

> >I heard a famour guru, one time, being asked this

> very question.

> >

> >"Which is it free will or fate?"

> >

> >And the answer was......"both"!

> >

> >The problem is the intellect considers this to be

> an either/or question...

> >

> >But life has several, opposite and seemingly

> opposed qualites,....like

> >'Absolute' & 'Relative',...

> >and even,...'spirit & matter'...

> >

> >This debate, 'spirit & matter', was a very popular

> Philosophical discussion

> >for centuries... but today, perhaps because more

> and more people

> >'experience'....pure spirit....

> >

> >this whole discussion has seemed to just go

> away....

> >

> >Perhaps this free will & fate question and

> quagmire, will go the same

> >way....

> >

> >Perhaps in the same way that our nervous systems

> are able to

> >simultaneously,

> >hold on to the ability ....to be 'active'....and to

> be 'silent' at the same

> >time....

> >

> >maybe in such a way, we'll come to understand that

> freedom,...and

> >causality...both co-exist!

> >

> >All I know for sure, is...that the more I develop

> my inner side, more

> >awareness, more consciousness,...more power of

> Self...

> >

> >the more, true 'freedom' I feel!

> >

> >and the less 'bondage' to the outside, and to the

> old habits that used to

> >be

> >there...

> >

> >Maybe that's the best statement yet, for

> confirming,....the ability to grow

> >in freedom!

> >

> >So, let's think of Astrology as including the

> qualities of 'fate' of past

> >karmas, or consequences, but still, the ability to

> change, to grow,

> >transform,....and even increase.....more

> '.....freedom....'.

> >

> >

> >Jai Guru!

> >

> >

> >

> >Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >"V. Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry

> >

> >Thu, 14 Oct 2004 01:03:41 -0000

> >

> > Fwd: Re: [Transcend-Meditation]

> 2-Partha:, > Re: Free will,

> >Astrology & power of meditation, > Mark

> Kincaid...10/11

> >

> >

> >

> >Dear Mark and Partha,

> >

> >It is a joy to read this thread! Such a liberating

> idea, that we are

> >100% free. Yes, indeed, we are not free from the

> consequences of our

> >own past actions, as per the karma theory .. but

> this seems to

> >contradict free will ONLY if you use that karma as

> your starting

> >point - you did not go as far back as you need to.

> I am not saying

> >this very well, let me try again.

> >

> >We are all so conditioned to believe that our karma

> make us behave

> >in a certain way, or give us good or bad results.

> However, it is not

> >a simple linear equation, that karma causes us to

> do something, that

> >a past action causes a reaction, which has to be

> worked through.

> >There was something else that came before that

> action ... and THAT

> >something was your free will to perform that

> action. Once you

> >exercise that free will, and perform a certain

> action, the outcome

> >is a given in many cases - whining that we can't

> exercise our free

> >will to escape the outcome, is not quite fair. (I

> am oversimplifying

> >to make a point.... in reality free still exists,

> since you always

> >have a choice as to your future actions.) It's like

> throwing a ball

> >up in the air, you have the free will to throw it

> up if you want,

> >but the fact remains that it will come down because

> of gravity,

> >because THAT was the reaction that you set in

> motion with your

> >action done with 100% free will.

> >

> >Astrology is totally compatible with free will.

> Astrology shows the

> >what, when, where, how, why, who etc etc of things

> that are meant to

> >happen. The true "cause" of the happennings though,

> are the actions

> >that you yourself set in motion, either knowingly

> or unknowingly,

> >it's not a planet somewhere. When I read statements

> such as Saturn

> >is causing sorrow, I always think of a really

> simple analogy. Say a

> >murderer is put in jail, is it really the fault of

> the cop that

> >caught him, the judge that sentenced him, the

> prison warden that

> >prevents him from escaping, or the jail for holding

> him? These are

> >the roles that the planets / houses / rasis /

> dispositers play. The

> >true cause is the murder that this criminal

> committed, when he

> >exercised his "free will", and that is what set the

> rest of the

> >events in motion.

> >

> >All these, strictly, MHO as always.

> >Venkatarama Sreelatha

> >

> >, partha

> sarathy

> ><partvinu5> wrote:

>

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