Saturn strong-Miserable, saturn weak-Miserable, when saturn is beneficial?

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Respected Astrologers,

 

Many say that, a strong saturn in a natives horoscope is also a problem(give

more miseries) and a weak saturn in a natives horosocpe also gives miseries and

many say sasa yoga is also painful why?

 

As a learner of astrology, this has become a unsolved puzzle for me that when to

say saturn is benefical.Does Saturn proves benefical when he is Yogakraka, and

Lagnadhipathi(for Capricorn lagna, Aquaris lagna ) and is also powerfully placed

both in navamsa and rashi.

 

My thinking is if the cause of Miseries is strong then no quesiton of

problems(related to its karakatwa) in the horosocpe.

 

If my thinking is wrong, please astrologers correct me

 

Hope i get answer

 

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Hi, My humble opinion is that anything which is strong is strong both for good

or bad.And what is weak is also weak both for good or bad.Therefore it is

important to understand whether the planet is malefic or benefic at the relevant

point of time.If a planet is strong and malefic it will cause very bad

effects.If it is weak and malefic then the effects can't be that bad.There is no

reason why this logic should not apply to saturn.

It has become the habit of professional astrologers to use saturn as a tool

to make their clients afraid so that they keep on coming to them.That is why

they refer to saturn in every given situation.

Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like in taurus and

libra lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent when he is

lagnadhipati,for his other lordship in that case is not that good.Of course it

would be more benefic for these lagnas if placed in a good houe /sign.Bye

RK

 

sumanth krishna <sanji_sumanth wrote:

Respected Astrologers,

 

Many say that, a strong saturn in a natives horoscope is also a problem(give

more miseries) and a weak saturn in a natives horosocpe also gives miseries and

many say sasa yoga is also painful why?

 

As a learner of astrology, this has become a unsolved puzzle for me that when to

say saturn is benefical.Does Saturn proves benefical when he is Yogakraka, and

Lagnadhipathi(for Capricorn lagna, Aquaris lagna ) and is also powerfully placed

both in navamsa and rashi.

 

My thinking is if the cause of Miseries is strong then no quesiton of

problems(related to its karakatwa) in the horosocpe.

 

If my thinking is wrong, please astrologers correct me

 

Hope i get answer

 

Sumanth

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

Does someone know abhout sagittarius ??? is saturn effect is there in

sagittarius now a days?

 

Thanks

 

Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkbaqaya wrote:

Hi, My humble opinion is that anything which is strong is strong both for good

or bad.And what is weak is also weak both for good or bad.Therefore it is

important to understand whether the planet is malefic or benefic at the relevant

point of time.If a planet is strong and malefic it will cause very bad

effects.If it is weak and malefic then the effects can't be that bad.There is no

reason why this logic should not apply to saturn.

It has become the habit of professional astrologers to use saturn as a tool

to make their clients afraid so that they keep on coming to them.That is why

they refer to saturn in every given situation.

Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like in taurus and libra

lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent when he is lagnadhipati,for his

other lordship in that case is not that good.Of course it would be more benefic

for these lagnas if placed in a good houe /sign.Bye RK

 

sumanth krishna <sanji_sumanth wrote:

Respected Astrologers,

 

Many say that, a strong saturn in a natives horoscope is also a problem(give

more miseries) and a weak saturn in a natives horosocpe also gives miseries and

many say sasa yoga is also painful why?

 

As a learner of astrology, this has become a unsolved puzzle for me that when to

say saturn is benefical.Does Saturn proves benefical when he is Yogakraka, and

Lagnadhipathi(for Capricorn lagna, Aquaris lagna ) and is also powerfully placed

both in navamsa and rashi.

 

My thinking is if the cause of Miseries is strong then no quesiton of

problems(related to its karakatwa) in the horosocpe.

 

If my thinking is wrong, please astrologers correct me

 

Hope i get answer

 

Sumanth

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear RK,

Honourable sanjeev ji told me "Saturn alone is

rajayoga giving planet for Tarus ascendant and Saturn

is placed in 2nd in Gemini and Mercury placed 7th from

it." Definitely it's good but gratification is late in

coming. Better late than never, right?

 

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Yes Sir I agree RK

michael tee eng hui <mteh1 wrote:Dear RK,

Honourable sanjeev ji told me "Saturn alone is

rajayoga giving planet for Tarus ascendant and Saturn

is placed in 2nd in Gemini and Mercury placed 7th from

it." Definitely it's good but gratification is late in

coming. Better late than never, right?

 

Thanks,

 

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Dear Tanvir,

You gave very interesting case study.

In Kp we believe that planets signifying 10th house are in general

bad for relationship as well as marriage.

I would be happy/curious to see the chart by KP method.

Inder

 

, "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...>

wrote:

> My Dear,

>

> I humbly choose to disagree with your statement below. I pray you

kindly forgive me for doing so.

>

> You said -

>

> ******Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like

in taurus and libra lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent

when he is lagnadhipati,for his other lordship in that case is not

that good.Of course it would be more benefic for these lagnas if

placed in a good houe /sign.********

>

> I can tell you a chart of a girl, who's Asc Lord Sani goes to 10th

house being exalted, and more with the 10th lord itself in that

sign. Means 10th house has the exalted Asc Lord Sani and also the

10th lord Ve itself.

>

> Now as per your statement Sani is benefic here being Asc lord. He

is more benefic in your opinion since he is in a good house, and

also exalted.

>

> The real picture of her life is that, ruight after she started

Sani AD [Me-Sa-Sa] she was immediately separated from the person she

started loving just recently, and their meeting became totally

impossible say once in 5 months. Then after the Sani PD itself she

moves to Me-Sa-Me where Merc is another blessing giver being 9th

lord, so she moved to USA in an utmost painful condition carrying

inside her, where she knew she would not be seeing her BF for

several years. It was the divine 9th lord being in 12th house caused

this magnificant and divine journey. Then after reaching there first

year she could communicate to her BF only for some 15 days in whole

year. All these good events were in Sani AD, the divine Asc lord

exalted in good house.

>

> I do not want to conclude what happened later in her life about

her relationship. It is totally unbelievable [negative] and beats a

movie in worstness :-o

>

> Her moving was for his father attaining high post in an

internationally famous institute in USA. 10th. Her father is the

*only* person that I admire. Great qualification, very good moral,

sincere to work, kind, gentle, honest... how much should I add. He

is very loving and caring [Ve] but he can be very strict too [sat].

>

> The Ve and Sa both forms Maha Purusha Yoga, 2 Maha Purusha Yoga.

Applicable to her father instead of her. In fact, she is too

immature, and too naive, her family and friends etc are worried

about her all the time. Anyone would predict wisdom etc for Sani's

Maha Purusha Yoga, which she lacks in most. Ve and Sa make her

double Maha Purusha may be?

>

> And I closely observed each of the Sa PD she went through. I say

closely, because the boy she loved mentioned above is ME. People

seek solutions about their relationship and married problems to me

but never had any idea how my own relationship was. It is totally

unbelievable and I never even heard of such story with this intense

probs. And I seriously doubt anyone worked and tried so much, so

hard to solve these problems like I did.

>

> All astrologers failed to predict, or even to analyze why there

was this intensity of probs abt this in my chart. Even I myself

understood it later, and exactly know why, that gives me greater

Jyotish understanding. I seem to be got my remedies.

>

> Anyway, enough said. You see they doing good about father, and

exalting her status to a different land, but then, destroying her

relationships and giving her immense pain and suffering. So it has

bad too and not *definite benefic* as you say.

>

> Right now I can also remember a chart with Tula Asc with Yoga

Karaka Sani in 10th and I know what his Sani does in his career and

I also do know what the Sani AD did to him. I better keep quiet not

to hamper his privacy.

>

> So it is totally impossible to convince me in this regard and most

of all I know the story of my own Sani. Forget about the fraud

astrologers blaming Sani for everything yet it is good to remember

Parasara saying Sani is Tamasic and ruler of grief. It is wise to

try to verify the truth coming down for hundred years, there might

be some truth in it.

>

> Regs

> Tan

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

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> Rup Krishen Baqaya

>

> Friday, October 15, 2004 4:28 PM

> Re: Saturn strong-Miserable, saturn weak-

Miserable, when saturn is beneficial?

>

>

>

> Hi, My humble opinion is that anything which is strong is

strong both for good or bad.And what is weak is also weak both for

good or bad.Therefore it is important to understand whether the

planet is malefic or benefic at the relevant point of time.If a

planet is strong and malefic it will cause very bad effects.If it is

weak and malefic then the effects can't be that bad.There is no

reason why this logic should not apply to saturn.

> It has become the habit of professional astrologers to use

saturn as a tool to make their clients afraid so that they keep on

coming to them.That is why they refer to saturn in every given

situation.

> Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like in

taurus and libra lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent

when he is lagnadhipati,for his other lordship in that case is not

that good.Of course it would be more benefic for these lagnas if

placed in a good houe /sign.Bye RK

>

>

>

>

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Om Namay Shivay

 

Yes, I am also agree. But merely placement, you

cann't elaborate the things. One has to look for

dasha and antardasha also which one is running. If

Saturn is very well placed in horoscope and yogakarka

for particular ascendant and the native never gets its

mahadasha or it is going to come very late in his life

then what can Saturn do.

 

For Tarus ascendant, the conjuction of 4th & 5th lord

or aspect with Saturn is necessary for fruitful

conjuction of rajyoga. As Moon being the 4th and Sun

being the 5th lord but again question arising if these

two are not the enemies of Saturn? So again

debatable. I am quoting from some reference but not

recollecting it. Will post soon. I have come across

one horoscope of mine friend who is under misearable

condition though even when running the mahadasha of

Saturn having Tarus ascendant. Saturn is placed in

9th in its own sign and he was doing his own business

of Printing but his shop comes under one govt. project

and he is penniless now. Why? I have no details of

him right now as no contact with him since last one

year but as soon as I will get him, try to post the

details and hope we will learn something more from his

horoscope.

 

With warm regards

 

 

Sanjeev

--- Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkbaqaya wrote:

 

 

Yes Sir I agree RK

michael tee eng hui <mteh1 wrote:Dear RK,

Honourable sanjeev ji told me "Saturn alone is

rajayoga giving planet for Tarus ascendant and Saturn

is placed in 2nd in Gemini and Mercury placed 7th from

it." Definitely it's good but gratification is late in

coming. Better late than never, right?

 

Thanks,

 

Mikey

 

 

 

 

 

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Tanvir Ji, Please.You do not have to ask for forgiveness for mere

disagreements.I feel embarassed.To have an opinion and express it, is ur

right.As the great philosopher Voltaire said i may not agree with you,but i will

fight unto death for ur right to express what u think is right.I agree with his

philosophy.What is more is that i admire u a lot for the manner in which u have

nurtured and brought up this group.I have watched this group from the day it was

born.It has really grown up beautifully.It is because of that reason i chose to

spend some spare time i have nowadays on this group rather than any other

group,even though i have been member of practically every astrology

at one time or the other in the last few years.

Now coming to ur point.First of all i must say that nothing is absolute,so

is not astrology.In the 21 years i have been pursuing astrology as a hobby,there

have been many occasions when i have seen astrology failing to indicate an

event.It is generally believed in this context that destiny is not and cannot be

merely astrology and is much more, for the light of the stars is not the only

force acting on a human being.It is at the most, one of the forces acting on

humans.What is more is that those Gurus who believe that astrology is always

correct and the failure if any is of the astrologer,also state that astrology is

infinite and therefore any kind of prediction could be justified in the same

horoscope on account of the conflicting trends present.

However,i would still like to say something on what u have said.See,ur lagna

is obviously makar.So saturn is the owner of the second bhava besides being

lagnesh.Now the mooltrikona of saturn is kumbha and as per the Parashri rules

any planet in the first half of its dasha is supposed to give the results of

its mooltrikona raashi.So the result which saturn will give to u in the first

half of its dasha is that of its lordship of the second and not as lagnesh.U may

recall in this context that in my post i had said that as lagnadhipati,saturn is

not that benefic for his other lordship is not that good.I know this is the kind

of explanation which anyone can/will give after being told what actually

happened(In fact this is what most professional astrologers do,that is become

wise after the incident).However there is one more point.The incident that u are

mentioning has more to do with ur 7th house rather than anything else.So one

would like to know abour ur 7th house or preferably the

entire horoscope for 7th from the moon also has to be seen.Besides u are

considering only vimshotari dasha.A very respected astrologer of Bombay Mr.Kenny

once(He was more than 90 years old then and had at that time about 75 years

experience in astrology) told me about 17 years ago that Parashar had many kinds

of dashas in his system and not just one,and each of the different dashas were

relevant for different aspects of life.In fact and it may surprise you,he had

told me there were 42 different kinds of dashas,one for longevity,the other for

money,the third for children etc.He however admitted that the literature having

been lost,it was not possible to know much about those dashas.He therefore used

to see by the sayana system,that is the western system too.I have not been able

to learn much of the western system.But in my experience i have found that many

things for which one does not find an explanation by vimshottari dasha could

easily be explained by ashtottari dasha.May be u

had the dasha or bhukti of a planet in ashtottari,which adversely affected ur

7th house.Then it depends on what was ur age at that time,for as u know many

planets act at a particular age like raahu at 42 etc.U may look into all this

and may be find solutions.Good luck to u.And bye RK

 

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

My Dear,

 

I humbly choose to disagree with your statement below. I pray you kindly forgive

me for doing so.

 

You said -

 

******Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like in taurus and

libra lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent when he is

lagnadhipati,for his other lordship in that case is not that good.Of course it

would be more benefic for these lagnas if placed in a good houe /sign.********

 

I can tell you a chart of a girl, who's Asc Lord Sani goes to 10th house being

exalted, and more with the 10th lord itself in that sign. Means 10th house has

the exalted Asc Lord Sani and also the 10th lord Ve itself.

 

Now as per your statement Sani is benefic here being Asc lord. He is more

benefic in your opinion since he is in a good house, and also exalted.

 

The real picture of her life is that, ruight after she started Sani AD

[Me-Sa-Sa] she was immediately separated from the person she started loving just

recently, and their meeting became totally impossible say once in 5 months. Then

after the Sani PD itself she moves to Me-Sa-Me where Merc is another blessing

giver being 9th lord, so she moved to USA in an utmost painful condition

carrying inside her, where she knew she would not be seeing her BF for several

years. It was the divine 9th lord being in 12th house caused this magnificant

and divine journey. Then after reaching there first year she could communicate

to her BF only for some 15 days in whole year. All these good events were in

Sani AD, the divine Asc lord exalted in good house.

 

I do not want to conclude what happened later in her life about her

relationship. It is totally unbelievable [negative] and beats a movie in

worstness :-o

 

Her moving was for his father attaining high post in an internationally famous

institute in USA. 10th. Her father is the *only* person that I admire. Great

qualification, very good moral, sincere to work, kind, gentle, honest... how

much should I add. He is very loving and caring [Ve] but he can be very strict

too [sat].

 

The Ve and Sa both forms Maha Purusha Yoga, 2 Maha Purusha Yoga. Applicable to

her father instead of her. In fact, she is too immature, and too naive, her

family and friends etc are worried about her all the time. Anyone would predict

wisdom etc for Sani's Maha Purusha Yoga, which she lacks in most. Ve and Sa make

her double Maha Purusha may be?

 

And I closely observed each of the Sa PD she went through. I say closely,

because the boy she loved mentioned above is ME. People seek solutions about

their relationship and married problems to me but never had any idea how my own

relationship was. It is totally unbelievable and I never even heard of such

story with this intense probs. And I seriously doubt anyone worked and tried so

much, so hard to solve these problems like I did.

 

All astrologers failed to predict, or even to analyze why there was this

intensity of probs abt this in my chart. Even I myself understood it later, and

exactly know why, that gives me greater Jyotish understanding. I seem to be got

my remedies.

 

Anyway, enough said. You see they doing good about father, and exalting her

status to a different land, but then, destroying her relationships and giving

her immense pain and suffering. So it has bad too and not *definite benefic* as

you say.

 

Right now I can also remember a chart with Tula Asc with Yoga Karaka Sani in

10th and I know what his Sani does in his career and I also do know what the

Sani AD did to him. I better keep quiet not to hamper his privacy.

 

So it is totally impossible to convince me in this regard and most of all I know

the story of my own Sani. Forget about the fraud astrologers blaming Sani for

everything yet it is good to remember Parasara saying Sani is Tamasic and ruler

of grief. It is wise to try to verify the truth coming down for hundred years,

there might be some truth in it.

 

Regs

Tan

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

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Rup Krishen Baqaya

Friday, October 15, 2004 4:28 PM

Re: Saturn strong-Miserable, saturn weak-Miserable, when saturn

is beneficial?

 

 

 

Hi, My humble opinion is that anything which is strong is strong both for

good or bad.And what is weak is also weak both for good or bad.Therefore it is

important to understand whether the planet is malefic or benefic at the relevant

point of time.If a planet is strong and malefic it will cause very bad

effects.If it is weak and malefic then the effects can't be that bad.There is no

reason why this logic should not apply to saturn.

It has become the habit of professional astrologers to use saturn as a tool

to make their clients afraid so that they keep on coming to them.That is why

they refer to saturn in every given situation.

Saturn is definitely beneficial when he is a yogakaraka,like in taurus and

libra lagnas.He is also benefic but to a lesser extent when he is

lagnadhipati,for his other lordship in that case is not that good.Of course it

would be more benefic for these lagnas if placed in a good houe /sign.Bye

RK

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear All,

 

Sorry, I have written Moon & Sun being the lord of 4th

& 5th instead of Sun and Mercury. The conjuction of

Sun, Mercury with Saturn or aspect between them for

Tarus ascendant will fruitfy a strong rajyoga.

 

With warm regards

 

 

Sanjeev

 

--- sanjeev kayasth <sanjeev2030 wrote:

 

 

Om Namay Shivay

 

Yes, I am also agree. But merely placement, you

cann't elaborate the things. One has to look for

dasha and antardasha also which one is running. If

Saturn is very well placed in horoscope and yogakarka

for particular ascendant and the native never gets its

mahadasha or it is going to come very late in his life

then what can Saturn do.

 

For Tarus ascendant, the conjuction of 4th & 5th lord

or aspect with Saturn is necessary for fruitful

conjuction of rajyoga. As Moon being the 4th and Sun

being the 5th lord but again question arising if these

two are not the enemies of Saturn? So again

debatable. I am quoting from some reference but not

recollecting it. Will post soon. I have come across

one horoscope of mine friend who is under misearable

condition though even when running the mahadasha of

Saturn having Tarus ascendant. Saturn is placed in

9th in its own sign and he was doing his own business

of Printing but his shop comes under one govt. project

and he is penniless now. Why? I have no details of

him right now as no contact with him since last one

year but as soon as I will get him, try to post the

details and hope we will learn something more from his

horoscope.

 

With warm regards

 

 

Sanjeev

--- Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkbaqaya wrote:

 

 

Yes Sir I agree RK

michael tee eng hui <mteh1 wrote:Dear RK,

Honourable sanjeev ji told me "Saturn alone is

rajayoga giving planet for Tarus ascendant and Saturn

is placed in 2nd in Gemini and Mercury placed 7th from

it." Definitely it's good but gratification is late in

coming. Better late than never, right?

 

Thanks,

 

Mikey

 

 

 

 

 

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