Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) Agree with you

October 13, 2004

Hemanta-da,

Having seen the light and experienced the warmth of the eternal fire,

why must one need to mess around with the coal, even though that is

what first made the fire-experience possible, made it come alive?

Unless the fire (dynamic energy) is not eternal the need for static

energy (fuel) must cease. Makes sense?

RR

, tatvam asi

<om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> Hello Tanveer,

>

> You wrote,

>

> "i personally like not to express my views / result of research.

most people do not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and

most of all, there creates a strong debate most of the times, and

sometimes u give enough proofs but can not convince the person. so

you seem an idiot"

>

> Nobody can agree with you more than self can in this matter having

been ridiculed, ignored (Is being ignored even now) but carrying on.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

>

> i personally like not to express my views / result of research.

most people do not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and

most of all, there creates a strong debate most of the times, and

sometimes u give enough proofs but can not convince the person. so

you seem an idiot. i have tried to convince many people about the

mere existance and efficacy of astrology / jyotish, with enough

proofs in the steps of life, but always failed. so whats abt the

theories? they will be much difficult to prove, many times. it is

just the person's karma, either to believe in astrology, remedies,

etc etc. it is the will of god to select ppl who will believe

astrology, remedies etc and put their effort in that to receive

blessings. in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt

this. 8th is the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and

divinity. they are opposite, but when they both work, u get the full

scope of it.

>

> thanks,

> tanvir.

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

> Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving

remedies

>

> -

> vargottama

>

> Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:59 AM

> Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations)

>

> I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an

> obligation to share findings from their research with their

subjects.

> Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human

> subjects.

>

> Another related point is a certain awareness of the power

> relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but

> most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to

> doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice.

> Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more

> mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in

> Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I

think

> Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is

> very good, a very participatory style.

>

> Ram

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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>

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>

October 14, 2004

Ignored, and even now? Can you please elaborate? All I know is you suggested

some theories on Rahu, I could never check them out because I think I was busy

that time with studies and then I withdraw net from home for a few months.

Regs

Tan

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

-

tatvam asi

Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:32 AM

Re: Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) Agree with you

Hello Tanveer,

You wrote,

"i personally like not to express my views / result of research. most people

do not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and most of all, there creates

a strong debate most of the times, and sometimes u give enough proofs but can

not convince the person. so you seem an idiot"

Nobody can agree with you more than self can in this matter having been

ridiculed, ignored (Is being ignored even now) but carrying on.

Tatvam-Asi

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

i personally like not to express my views / result of research. most people do

not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and most of all, there creates a

strong debate most of the times, and sometimes u give enough proofs but can not

convince the person. so you seem an idiot. i have tried to convince many people

about the mere existance and efficacy of astrology / jyotish, with enough proofs

in the steps of life, but always failed. so whats abt the theories? they will be

much difficult to prove, many times. it is just the person's karma, either to

believe in astrology, remedies, etc etc. it is the will of god to select ppl who

will believe astrology, remedies etc and put their effort in that to receive

blessings. in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt this. 8th is

the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and divinity. they are opposite,

but when they both work, u get the full scope of it.

thanks,

tanvir.

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

-

vargottama

Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:59 AM

Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations)

I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an

obligation to share findings from their research with their subjects.

Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human

subjects.

Another related point is a certain awareness of the power

relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but

most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to

doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice.

Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more

mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in

Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I think

Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is

very good, a very participatory style.

Ram

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

Links

vote. - Register online to vote today!

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

Links

October 14, 2004

Hello Dear Tanveer,

Studies are very important. Astrology can always wait.

Ignored, ?? Coming to think of it, all that can be said is YES.

But there is a human tendency that it is difficult to Unlearn than learn.

HP theory propounded by self has been accepted by some serious researchers and

predictions based on that are proving to be almost on dot and correct.

But still a lot of work needs to be done including a lot of validation in form

of percentage of correctness in predicting an event.

One thing it has proved that you do not need complicated D1 TO D60 charts and

complicated dasa systems to predict an event.

But unless atleast one more year's validation is done, self would still not be

satisfied.

Some interesting postings have been done on these lines by Ramadasaji and self

in VA group.

A lot of time is being spent by self in furthering the research on HPtheory.All

material is available in JR group postings and VA postings.

If you have questions, Guru Ramadasaji would answer you.

Tatvam-Asi

Tanvir <ultimate wrote:

Ignored, and even now? Can you please elaborate? All I know is you suggested

some theories on Rahu, I could never check them out because I think I was busy

that time with studies and then I withdraw net from home for a few months.

Regs

Tan

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish)

Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies

-

tatvam asi

Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:32 AM

Re: Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) Agree with you

Hello Tanveer,

You wrote,

"i personally like not to express my views / result of research. most people do

not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and most of all, there creates a

strong debate most of the times, and sometimes u give enough proofs but can not

convince the person. so you seem an idiot"

Nobody can agree with you more than self can in this matter having been

ridiculed, ignored (Is being ignored even now) but carrying on.

Tatvam-Asi

Tanvir wrote: