Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Greetings to All, I am a learning astrology and fortunately came accross this forum recently,which I feel is really helpful by exchange views and clearing confusions.. I started with analysis of my own chart since I can best identify with myself. My query is regarding gem analysis.. Should a gem be suggested to reduce the malefic effect of a planet or to increase the good effects of a benefic planet? Also which chart ascendent/raashi chart be referred for the same? I got confused because in one analysis i was suggested to wear panna while in another analysis it was mentoned as my unlucky stone. I am wearing ruby and panna for last four years, I still used to feel mental distress..I thought It might be due to my sade saati...then It occured to me that either one of the gem does not suit me or it could be faulty. I removed panna 2 days back and am feeling better. Please advice what is right. In case you need my birt details: DOB:14/April/1978 Time:2:10 pm Place:Nagpur,Maharashtra regards sameer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Dear Sameer: The chances are that for every astrologer you consult you will get a different gem prescription. The classics only tell us which gems represent the Grahas, not how to prescribe them. That transmission comes from the guru. Jyotish is so vast in systems and techniques there is not one way or belief system for gems, though there are some principles that are more commonly held and practiced than others. Your Lagna is 0'42 Leo with Lahiri ayanamsa, you should have your chart verified/rectified before preceding further with gems since if there is a error in your birth time, you could be a late Cancer Lagna. If you are indeed a Leo, you may wear ruby and panna (emerald) should do no harm. Emeralds tend be very flawed. Even in the finest emeralds flaws are accepted and common, though of a lesser nature. Flawed stones are inauspicious...but with stones always use your own senses, if a stone feels good to wear and you have good results then it is right for you. If not, then it is best not worn. In my experience, individual stones have their own character. "A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck. A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." AGNI-PURANAM: Chapter 246, Verse 7 & 8 Regards and good luck, Allen , Sameer Lakhe <samirlakhe> wrote: > Greetings to All, > > I am a learning astrology and fortunately came accross this forum > recently,which I feel is really helpful by exchange views and clearing confusions.. > I started with analysis of my own chart since I can best identify with myself. > My query is regarding gem analysis.. > Should a gem be suggested to reduce the malefic effect of a planet or to increase the > good effects of a benefic planet? > Also which chart ascendent/raashi chart be referred for the same? > I got confused because in one analysis i was suggested to wear panna while in another analysis it was mentoned as my unlucky stone. > I am wearing ruby and panna for last four years, I still used to feel mental distress..I thought It might be > due to my sade saati...then It occured to me that either one of the gem does not suit me or it could be faulty. > I removed panna 2 days back and am feeling better. > Please advice what is right. > > In case you need my birt details: > DOB:14/April/1978 > Time:2:10 pm > Place:Nagpur,Maharashtra > > regards > sameer > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Dear Sameer, I concurr with Allen about you being a borderline case. I am sending you a horoscope to your personal e-mail. Based on Leo lagna, this report mentions ruby, yellow topaz and emerald on page 4 (general section), however page 30 talks about a yellow sapphire, topaz and for fortune coral. If money is not a concern, then you could test drive them to see if it helps. However, I would reccommend that you try out a professional astrologer and who is a gem stone expert who will be able to accurately correct your birth time based on key events in your life and then suggest a stone suitable to you. Best wishes, Soumit Allen <jyoteekat wrote: Dear Sameer: The chances are that for every astrologer you consult you will get a different gem prescription. The classics only tell us which gems represent the Grahas, not how to prescribe them. That transmission comes from the guru. Jyotish is so vast in systems and techniques there is not one way or belief system for gems, though there are some principles that are more commonly held and practiced than others. Your Lagna is 0'42 Leo with Lahiri ayanamsa, you should have your chart verified/rectified before preceding further with gems since if there is a error in your birth time, you could be a late Cancer Lagna. If you are indeed a Leo, you may wear ruby and panna (emerald) should do no harm. Emeralds tend be very flawed. Even in the finest emeralds flaws are accepted and common, though of a lesser nature. Flawed stones are inauspicious...but with stones always use your own senses, if a stone feels good to wear and you have good results then it is right for you. If not, then it is best not worn. In my experience, individual stones have their own character. "A gem free from all impurities and radiating its characteristic internal luster should be looked upon as an escort of good luck. A gem which is cracked, fissured, devoid of luster, or appearing rough or sandy, should not be used at all." AGNI-PURANAM: Chapter 246, Verse 7 & 8 Regards and good luck, Allen , Sameer Lakhe <samirlakhe> wrote: > Greetings to All, > > I am a learning astrology and fortunately came accross this forum > recently,which I feel is really helpful by exchange views and clearing confusions.. > I started with analysis of my own chart since I can best identify with myself. > My query is regarding gem analysis.. > Should a gem be suggested to reduce the malefic effect of a planet or to increase the > good effects of a benefic planet? > Also which chart ascendent/raashi chart be referred for the same? > I got confused because in one analysis i was suggested to wear panna while in another analysis it was mentoned as my unlucky stone. > I am wearing ruby and panna for last four years, I still used to feel mental distress..I thought It might be > due to my sade saati...then It occured to me that either one of the gem does not suit me or it could be faulty. > I removed panna 2 days back and am feeling better. > Please advice what is right. > > In case you need my birt details: > DOB:14/April/1978 > Time:2:10 pm > Place:Nagpur,Maharashtra > > regards > sameer > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / soumit guha java_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hello My Dear, In my opinion a gem should be worn to increase the good effects of a benefic planet.I would prefer the scendant chart to the raashi chart.Ur lagna being Singh,nothing wrong in removing emerald,for emerald is for mercury and mercury is a maraka for Singh lagna being 2nd and 11th lord and can therefore cause physical/mental distress.Whoever prescribed emerald did so probably because it is weak in ur chart being debilitated in the 8th house.But since u feel better after removing it,possibly it is giving the results of its lordship rather than placement.There are many systems in the occult sciences and it is only in cases of few individuals that one can arrive at the same gem by different methods.In most other cases you arrive at different gems by different methods.Like in ur own case numerology would suggest that u wear a diamond since ur birth number is five.Western astrology would suggest a ruby or a diamond in view of ur sunsign being an aeries.By indian astrology,one could even suggest coral since the yogakaraka and bhaghyapati Mars is debilitated in the 12th.However i may mention here that a ruby can work for mars too.For coming to a conclusion in these matters,that is which stone suits and which does not,nothing better than relying on ur own judgement. R.K. Sameer Lakhe <samirlakhe wrote:Greetings to All, I am a learning astrology and fortunately came accross this forum recently,which I feel is really helpful by exchange views and clearing confusions.. I started with analysis of my own chart since I can best identify with myself. My query is regarding gem analysis.. Should a gem be suggested to reduce the malefic effect of a planet or to increase the good effects of a benefic planet? Also which chart ascendent/raashi chart be referred for the same? I got confused because in one analysis i was suggested to wear panna while in another analysis it was mentoned as my unlucky stone. I am wearing ruby and panna for last four years, I still used to feel mental distress..I thought It might be due to my sade saati...then It occured to me that either one of the gem does not suit me or it could be faulty. I removed panna 2 days back and am feeling better. Please advice what is right. In case you need my birt details: DOB:14/April/1978 Time:2:10 pm Place:Nagpur,Maharashtra regards sameer ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 My dear, In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be very problematic. Because it has an energy related to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the 2nd and 11th lord. Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - Rup Krishen Baqaya Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:27 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis Hello My Dear, In my opinion a gem should be worn to increase the good effects of a benefic planet.I would prefer the scendant chart to the raashi chart.Ur lagna being Singh,nothing wrong in removing emerald,for emerald is for mercury and mercury is a maraka for Singh lagna being 2nd and 11th lord and can therefore cause physical/mental distress.Whoever prescribed emerald did so probably because it is weak in ur chart being debilitated in the 8th house.But since u feel better after removing it,possibly it is giving the results of its lordship rather than placement.There are many systems in the occult sciences and it is only in cases of few individuals that one can arrive at the same gem by different methods.In most other cases you arrive at different gems by different methods.Like in ur own case numerology would suggest that u wear a diamond since ur birth number is five.Western astrology would suggest a ruby or a diamond in view of ur sunsign being an aeries.By indian astrology,one could even suggest coral since the yogakaraka and bhaghyapati Mars is debilitated in the 12th.However i may mention here that a ruby can work for mars too.For coming to a conclusion in these matters,that is which stone suits and which does not,nothing better than relying on ur own judgement. R.K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Yes Sir I also heard and read that it is not good to wear a gemstone for the planet who is in 8th house.But prayers and good remedies can help in this mattter. regards vasumati vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hi My dear, I would not accept it as a general rule that one should not wear the gem of a planet placed in the 8th house.Placement in a bad house does not necessarily make the planet entirely malefic.Take the case of say 6th lord in 8th house, it gives vipreet raja yoga.Wearing the gem of such a planet if the lagnesh is strong and the chart assures good longevity would be beneficial.Bye then RK vasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye wrote:Yes Sir I also heard and read that it is not good to wear a gemstone for the planet who is in 8th house.But prayers and good remedies can help in this mattter. regards vasumati vote. - Register online to vote today! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Hello Tanvir Ji, Nice to correspond with you.In my humble opinion and experience a planet in the 8th may not always be that bad.At times a planet in the 8th may bestow longevity or even a lot of money.Like u know mercury or even venus are not stated to be bad in any of the old classic books in the 8th house.Then in respect of other planets there can br vipreet raja yoga..There are many other factors.Bye RK Tanvir <ultimate wrote:My dear, In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be very problematic. Because it has an energy related to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the 2nd and 11th lord. Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - Rup Krishen Baqaya Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:27 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis Hello My Dear, In my opinion a gem should be worn to increase the good effects of a benefic planet.I would prefer the scendant chart to the raashi chart.Ur lagna being Singh,nothing wrong in removing emerald,for emerald is for mercury and mercury is a maraka for Singh lagna being 2nd and 11th lord and can therefore cause physical/mental distress.Whoever prescribed emerald did so probably because it is weak in ur chart being debilitated in the 8th house.But since u feel better after removing it,possibly it is giving the results of its lordship rather than placement.There are many systems in the occult sciences and it is only in cases of few individuals that one can arrive at the same gem by different methods.In most other cases you arrive at different gems by different methods.Like in ur own case numerology would suggest that u wear a diamond since ur birth number is five.Western astrology would suggest a ruby or a diamond in view of ur sunsign being an aeries.By indian astrology,one could even suggest coral since the yogakaraka and bhaghyapati Mars is debilitated in the 12th.However i may mention here that a ruby can work for mars too.For coming to a conclusion in these matters,that is which stone suits and which does not,nothing better than relying on ur own judgement. R.K. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Just to share a bit. I have mercury (retro) in my 8th house. It gives good results and the stone of mercury, emerald is also giving good results. It was discussed earlier in this list. Regards, Neeraj Gupta --- Rup Krishen Baqaya <rkbaqaya wrote: > Hello Tanvir Ji, Nice to correspond with you.In my > humble opinion and experience a planet in the 8th > may not always be that bad.At times a planet in the > 8th may bestow longevity or even a lot of money.Like > u know mercury or even venus are not stated to be > bad in any of the old classic books in the 8th > house.Then in respect of other planets there can br > vipreet raja yoga..There are many other factors.Bye > RK > Tanvir <ultimate wrote:My dear, > > In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a > stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be > very problematic. Because it has an energy related > to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply > even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the > 2nd and 11th lord. > > Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause > some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others > might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has > been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology > (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful > problem solving remedies > > - > Rup Krishen Baqaya > > Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:27 PM > Re: Reg: Gem Analysis > > > > Hello My Dear, In my opinion a gem should be worn > to increase the good effects of a benefic planet.I > would prefer the scendant chart to the raashi > chart.Ur lagna being Singh,nothing wrong in removing > emerald,for emerald is for mercury and mercury is a > maraka for Singh lagna being 2nd and 11th lord and > can therefore cause physical/mental distress.Whoever > prescribed emerald did so probably because it is > weak in ur chart being debilitated in the 8th > house.But since u feel better after removing > it,possibly it is giving the results of its lordship > rather than placement.There are many systems in the > occult sciences and it is only in cases of few > individuals that one can arrive at the same gem by > different methods.In most other cases you arrive at > different gems by different methods.Like in ur own > case numerology would suggest that u wear a diamond > since ur birth number is five.Western astrology > would suggest a ruby or a diamond in view of ur > sunsign being an aeries.By indian astrology,one > could even suggest coral since the yogakaraka and > bhaghyapati Mars is debilitated in the 12th.However > i may mention here that a ruby can work for mars > too.For coming to a conclusion in these matters,that > is which stone suits and which does not,nothing > better than relying on ur own judgement. R.K. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== http://www.neerajgupta.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hello I don't know the truth.But i know about viparit rajyoga.But i was told that (by a welknown astrologer from Mumbai) i can not wear Rubi though my Lagnesh-Ravi( Simha ascendent -Lagnesh Ravi ) is in 8th house.I always face problems.I would like to wear Rubi but I have Gomeda.So we can not wear two Gems at a time who are always enemy to each other. regards vasumati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Greetings to All, Allen- I will get my chart rectified as per your suggestion.Thanks a lot for the clarification.I feel I must be of Cancer Langa itself since I have characteristics like being too sensitive,like to stay at home,do not hurt others anytime etc. I have a doubt here,Since planets and positions are fixed in the respective houses why would change of ascendent alter the gem recomendations? Soumit- I received the hororscope.It is very detailed one.Thanks a lot. I will try out coral and yellow sapphire soon as you suggested. R.K- Thanks for the clarification.But i did not understand this line: "possibly it is giving the results of its lordship rather than placement." Could you please clarify this more. ya,I agree that different system would give different results. Hence, I am studying gems/there effect and then would also try them out. I am sorry if my queries sound too novice,but I am planning to join some online cource soon, so that I get my fundamentals strong. Regards sameer Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Yes, it does so. There are MANY simultaneous factors involved for this kind of behaviour which I explained earlier in a very explained manner, some may not agree to me though. But I am very sure of one thing that a general chart would *hardly* have all the features of the 8th house planet as Neeraj Bhai's mercury - so we should consider this fact with a great importance because we easily suggest that a stone of a planet in 8th house can do good. This "can" is a possibility ranging from 1% to 99%, and when we mean a lower possibility of 20%, we should do it in such a way that the people do not think we are talking about a 80% chance. That is why I strongly suggest that it should be generally avoided to wear a stone of a planet in 8th house. "Generally" = more than 50% of cases. Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - Neeraj Gupta Thursday, October 14, 2004 12:26 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Just to share a bit. I have mercury (retro) in my 8th house. It gives good results and the stone of mercury, emerald is also giving good results. It was discussed earlier in this list. Regards, Neeraj Gupta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Me dear, A good planet in 8th house might provide longevity and gains without labour / effort. But the planet itself becomes weak and problematic to render this service. Now, question is, would we suggest stone to overcome this "weakness"? The answer is very technical, and I would like to avoid getting in to this. A study about what a planets stone who is in the 8th house can tell us better. But my dear, would you say that a Vipreet Raja Yoga offers only the good without any setbacks? If you say then, then I have nothing to say though... Thanks Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - Rup Krishen Baqaya Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:39 AM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis Hello Tanvir Ji, Nice to correspond with you.In my humble opinion and experience a planet in the 8th may not always be that bad.At times a planet in the 8th may bestow longevity or even a lot of money.Like u know mercury or even venus are not stated to be bad in any of the old classic books in the 8th house.Then in respect of other planets there can br vipreet raja yoga..There are many other factors.Bye RK Tanvir <ultimate wrote:My dear, In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be very problematic. Because it has an energy related to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the 2nd and 11th lord. Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hello Tanvir, Would you suggest an Aquarian to wear Ruby or a Tauruian to wear Cat's Key? Do you recommend the wearing of stone of the 7th. Lord or are there some exceptions to these rules? Pranam, Satya , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Me dear, > > A good planet in 8th house might provide longevity and gains without labour / effort. But the planet itself becomes weak and problematic to render this service. Now, question is, would we suggest stone to overcome this "weakness"? The answer is very technical, and I would like to avoid getting in to this. A study about what a planets stone who is in the 8th house can tell us better. > > But my dear, would you say that a Vipreet Raja Yoga offers only the good without any setbacks? If you say then, then I have nothing to say though... > > Thanks > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > - > Rup Krishen Baqaya > > Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:39 AM > Re: Reg: Gem Analysis > > > > Hello Tanvir Ji, Nice to correspond with you.In my humble opinion and experience a planet in the 8th may not always be that bad.At times a planet in the 8th may bestow longevity or even a lot of money.Like u know mercury or even venus are not stated to be bad in any of the old classic books in the 8th house.Then in respect of other planets there can br vipreet raja yoga..There are many other factors.Bye RK > Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:My dear, > > In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be very problematic. Because it has an energy related to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the 2nd and 11th lord. > > Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hello Tanvir ji, All planets in the 8th do not get problematic.An exalted mercury in the 8th house in virgo for kumbha lagna is great,for example Amitabh bhachhan and u can note on TV that he always wears emerald.Besides nothing is absolutely good,like nothing is absolutely bad.Even the best planets in the best houses are known to create great pproblems.For example,an exalted Sun in Lagna can give great ego etc.In my humble opinion it is the totality which has to be judged and not just one factor like placement in the 8th house. RK - In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Me dear, > > A good planet in 8th house might provide longevity and gains without labour / effort. But the planet itself becomes weak and problematic to render this service. Now, question is, would we suggest stone to overcome this "weakness"? The answer is very technical, and I would like to avoid getting in to this. A study about what a planets stone who is in the 8th house can tell us better. > > But my dear, would you say that a Vipreet Raja Yoga offers only the good without any setbacks? If you say then, then I have nothing to say though... > > Thanks > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > - > Rup Krishen Baqaya > > Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:39 AM > Re: Reg: Gem Analysis > > > > Hello Tanvir Ji, Nice to correspond with you.In my humble opinion and experience a planet in the 8th may not always be that bad.At times a planet in the 8th may bestow longevity or even a lot of money.Like u know mercury or even venus are not stated to be bad in any of the old classic books in the 8th house.Then in respect of other planets there can br vipreet raja yoga..There are many other factors.Bye RK > Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:My dear, > > In my opinion through my experiences, wearing a stone of a planet who is in the 8th house might be very problematic. Because it has an energy related to the 8th- a seriously evil house. This may apply even a benefic is in the 8th, what to say about the 2nd and 11th lord. > > Even a benefic who is ill disposited might cause some problem on wearing it's stone - my view. Others might of course differ. Wearing gemstone itself has been an issue, a *HOT* issue, I must say :-) > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hello my dear, Only God knows the truth.But if u r wearing gomedha and are always facing problems then it is unlikely that the well known astrologer was right.See astro analysis is like a doctor's diagnosis.Sometiomes a reputed doc is totally wrong and someone not that well known more correct.It is for u to decide what is good for you.However it is written in all good books on astrology that one cannot wear two gems who are enemies to each other.Bye RK --- In , vasumati padhye <vasumatipadhye> wrote: > Hello > I don't know the truth.But i know about viparit rajyoga.But i was told that (by a welknown astrologer from Mumbai) i can not wear Rubi though my Lagnesh-Ravi( Simha ascendent -Lagnesh Ravi ) is in 8th house.I always face problems.I would like to wear Rubi but I have Gomeda.So we can not wear two Gems at a time who are always enemy to each other. > regards > vasumati > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 1) Please read my message in a calm manner, you will see that I have NEVER said that planets in 8th are ALWAYS problematic. Indeed, I admitted about their doing good such as longevity etc. 2) In your example Merc is 8L for Kumbha but remember he is also the 5L. So he is not all malefic, you can never say so. He is some benefic too. 3) Whatever Amitabh Bachchan is doing does not mean that is right. He is not an astrologer. Not it means what he is was made by the stone he is wearing. He had a great financial loss about the channel he opened, [Jain or something] and when he came back again as a hero he was super flop. Then he shifts to elderly roles and gets appreciation again. Who knows, was it for the chart, or for the stones? Merc rules communication and communicative media. 4) A person wearing a stone, even for all life long does not mean it is good for him. My father wore a gomedh and another two stones for years, and I saw them harming him slowly, he never understood. It was a great struggle for me to get him remove two of them, and he did not remove one, still. 5) Amitabh's chart [real chart, who knows what is] is to be seen for the Merc stone being good, if it is good for him at all. I admitted Neeraj Bhai's stone doing good and explained it, and surely that conditions do not apply to "general" charts. It does not really make any sense when we overlook so many points mentioned by the one whom I am replying. So from my part, I am ending this thread. All the best, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - R.K.Baqaya Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:39 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis Hello Tanvir ji, All planets in the 8th do not get problematic.An exalted mercury in the 8th house in virgo for kumbha lagna is great,for example Amitabh bhachhan and u can note on TV that he always wears emerald.Besides nothing is absolutely good,like nothing is absolutely bad.Even the best planets in the best houses are known to create great pproblems.For example,an exalted Sun in Lagna can give great ego etc.In my humble opinion it is the totality which has to be judged and not just one factor like placement in the 8th house. RK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Dear Sameer, I am not qualified to suggest anything. The software did that. The analysis was provided to help you figure out your ascendant. Stones are prescribed based on the ascendant, 5th and 9th Soumit Sameer Lakhe <samirlakhe wrote: Greetings to All, Allen- I will get my chart rectified as per your suggestion.Thanks a lot for the clarification.I feel I must be of Cancer Langa itself since I have characteristics like being too sensitive,like to stay at home,do not hurt others anytime etc. I have a doubt here,Since planets and positions are fixed in the respective houses why would change of ascendent alter the gem recomendations? Soumit- I received the hororscope.It is very detailed one.Thanks a lot. I will try out coral and yellow sapphire soon as you suggested. R.K- Thanks for the clarification.But i did not understand this line: "possibly it is giving the results of its lordship rather than placement." Could you please clarify this more. ya,I agree that different system would give different results. Hence, I am studying gems/there effect and then would also try them out. I am sorry if my queries sound too novice,but I am planning to join some online cource soon, so that I get my fundamentals strong. Regards sameer Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. http://messenger. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / soumit guha java_sgt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Of course, 7th lord's stone is generally not recommended. If a 7th lord is well placed, and doesnt rule an evil house same time, it is a benefic in my view. This is proved my Ju is 7th lord and 4th lord [Virgo Asc] and is well placed. Ju periods are superb, right now I am in one :-) Another matter to consider is own nature and the house it is influencing. Still, Ju stone gives me problem. Some lose motion and mental anxiety [Ju 4th lord of mental peace and is in 3rd house.] But the stones does good too. So If I can tolerate some anxiety, it would be a good stone for me. Much depends on the 7th lords placement and some other factors mentioned above. Generally, 7th lords stone is not suggested. But it doesnt mean that it will not do good. It might prove benefic, or very benefic. But experience shows that it most of the times doesnt prove much benefic, so the belief goes not to wear them. Of course, if one has no concern for money, he can try it. All the best, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - Satyabhama Gupta Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:26 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis Hello Tanvir, Would you suggest an Aquarian to wear Ruby or a Tauruian to wear Cat's Key? Do you recommend the wearing of stone of the 7th. Lord or are there some exceptions to these rules? Pranam, Satya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hello Samir,A planet has two kinds of properties,one on account of its lacement and the other on account of its placement.like in ur case of Singh lagna,mercury being the lord of virgo and gemini becomes the lord of the 2nd house and 11th house and thus acquires certain properties on account of its lordship of the second and 11th houses.Besides mercury is placed in the 8th house in pisces.So it acquires certain different properties on account of its placement.Hope i have conveyed the point.Bye RK--- In , Sameer Lakhe <samirlakhe> wrote: > Greetings to All, > > Allen- > I will get my chart rectified as per your > suggestion.Thanks a lot for the > clarification.I feel I must be of Cancer Langa itself > since I have > characteristics like > being too sensitive,like to stay at home,do not hurt > others anytime etc. > I have a doubt here,Since planets and positions are > fixed in the respective > houses > why would change of ascendent alter the gem > recomendations? > > Soumit- > I received the hororscope.It is very detailed > one.Thanks a lot. > I will try out coral and yellow sapphire soon as you > suggested. > > R.K- > Thanks for the clarification.But i did not understand > this line: > "possibly it is giving the results of its lordship > rather than placement." > Could you please clarify this more. > ya,I agree that different system would give different > results. > Hence, I am studying gems/there effect and then would > also try them out. > > I am sorry if my queries sound too novice,but I am > planning to join some > online cource soon, > so that I get my fundamentals strong. > > Regards > sameer > > > > > > > Y! Messenger - Communicate in real time. Download now. > http://messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 My dear tanvir, I am very calm.I think u will agree that all planets are lords of two houses generally except Sun and Moon.so mercury for kumbha lagna is no exception.Being lord of the 8th and another benefic house is true for Jupiter in Singha lagna,saturn in Mithuna and many others.Amitabh may not be an astrologer but he is advised by the best astrologers.You are mentioning about mercury ruling communication,well Amitabh is known for his communication abilities and his voice.In fact in one of my earlier posts on the subject i had suggested that mercury in the 8th is considered good in all classical books on astrology,so is venus in the 8th.I will be grateful if u enlighten me about what i have overlooked.Bye RK -- In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > 1) Please read my message in a calm manner, you will see that I have NEVER said that planets in 8th are ALWAYS problematic. Indeed, I admitted about their doing good such as longevity etc. > > 2) In your example Merc is 8L for Kumbha but remember he is also the 5L. So he is not all malefic, you can never say so. He is some benefic too. > > 3) Whatever Amitabh Bachchan is doing does not mean that is right. He is not an astrologer. Not it means what he is was made by the stone he is wearing. He had a great financial loss about the channel he opened, [Jain or something] and when he came back again as a hero he was super flop. Then he shifts to elderly roles and gets appreciation again. Who knows, was it for the chart, or for the stones? Merc rules communication and communicative media. > > 4) A person wearing a stone, even for all life long does not mean it is good for him. My father wore a gomedh and another two stones for years, and I saw them harming him slowly, he never understood. It was a great struggle for me to get him remove two of them, and he did not remove one, still. > > 5) Amitabh's chart [real chart, who knows what is] is to be seen for the Merc stone being good, if it is good for him at all. I admitted Neeraj Bhai's stone doing good and explained it, and surely that conditions do not apply to "general" charts. > > It does not really make any sense when we overlook so many points mentioned by the one whom I am replying. So from my part, I am ending this thread. > > All the best, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > - > R.K.Baqaya > > Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:39 PM > Re: Reg: Gem Analysis > > Hello Tanvir ji, All planets in the 8th do not get problematic.An > exalted mercury in the 8th house in virgo for kumbha lagna is > great,for example Amitabh bhachhan and u can note on TV that he > always wears emerald.Besides nothing is absolutely good,like nothing > is absolutely bad.Even the best planets in the best houses are known > to create great pproblems.For example,an exalted Sun in Lagna can > give great ego etc.In my humble opinion it is the totality which has > to be judged and not just one factor like placement in the 8th > house. RK > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 my dear, >>>>>> My dear tanvir, I am very calm.I think u will agree that all planets are lords of two houses generally except Sun and Moon.so mercury for kumbha lagna is no exception.Being lord of the 8th and another benefic house is true for Jupiter in Singha lagna,saturn in Mithuna and many others. again you do not get the point about what i was speaking. i was not speaking about the dual lordship, but THAT SORT of dual lordship where one lordship is benefic, to impact the malefic lordship. you are always taking wrong meanings of my words, my dear. in one of your mails you start with, "Hello Tanvir ji, All planets in the 8th do not get problematic..." creating an impression that i said so, whereas, what i said earlier was strictly opposite. i have broadly said that 8th lord can do many good. in fact, in a list where mr. k n rao writes i have writen about it long ago, when i was opposing the view of systems approach that a malefic will do all bad in all matters. but in your mail you start it as a way that i implied an 8th lord does all bad. i never said so. and again you take wrong meaning of my words. dual lordship was not what i was talking about. only those dual lordship where one lordship is a benefic. as an example in the example chart merc was lord of 2nd and 11th. similarly for a virgo asc the mars becomes very malefic by ruling two malefic houses 3rd and 8th. so dual lordship is indeed very common, but it does not matter, because it has to be one benefic lordship that one i was talking about. i clearly mentioned merc being 5L, so the benefic lordship was of question. you do not have to remind me that expect sun and moon all major 5 planets rule 2 houses. i know this very well dear. but my focuss was a benefic lordship and you ignored the whole core of my point. >>>>> Amitabh may not be an astrologer but he is advised by the best astrologers.You are mentioning about mercury ruling communication,well Amitabh is known for his communication abilities and his voice. he is expert in his speech. if he has exaled merc in 8th house, then is this skill for "merc in 8th hosue" OR for "merc is exalted" ? mercury rules speech, if he is exatled then you know what it means. dear, why you go deep in research of merc in 8th and find it's meaning, where the easy exaltation of merc clearly says it? logically merc in 8th house should not be good for speech, and then why you ignore the exaltation and choose a rather unsure phenomena, ie being in 8th? i never seen his chart but from your msg it seems he has exalted merc in 8th. so now i think i have clearly showed a few points you were not focussing on. that is why i say that if i am unable to clarify it to you even after saying this much, i better not argue. by the way what is the position of your merc in your chart, mine is the lagnesh and also karmesh forming dharma karma adhipati raja yoga with dharmesh shukra, in bandhu bhava. just to compare our communicative skills :-) regs tan What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies In , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > 1) Please read my message in a calm manner, you will see that I have NEVER said that planets in 8th are ALWAYS problematic. Indeed, I admitted about their doing good such as longevity etc. > > 2) In your example Merc is 8L for Kumbha but remember he is also the 5L. So he is not all malefic, you can never say so. He is some benefic too. > > 3) Whatever Amitabh Bachchan is doing does not mean that is right. He is not an astrologer. Not it means what he is was made by the stone he is wearing. He had a great financial loss about the channel he opened, [Jain or something] and when he came back again as a hero he was super flop. Then he shifts to elderly roles and gets appreciation again. Who knows, was it for the chart, or for the stones? Merc rules communication and communicative media. > > 4) A person wearing a stone, even for all life long does not mean it is good for him. My father wore a gomedh and another two stones for years, and I saw them harming him slowly, he never understood. It was a great struggle for me to get him remove two of them, and he did not remove one, still. > > 5) Amitabh's chart [real chart, who knows what is] is to be seen for the Merc stone being good, if it is good for him at all. I admitted Neeraj Bhai's stone doing good and explained it, and surely that conditions do not apply to "general" charts. > > It does not really make any sense when we overlook so many points mentioned by the one whom I am replying. So from my part, I am ending this thread. > > All the best, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Dear Tanvir, What you said about the planets in the 8th seem to be the general trend in actual life.If it is not,then it is an exception or incorrect chart.In my humble opinion and limited knowledge,Amitab's position,status and wealth are not combatibile with all those planets in 8th. In the many charts I have seen the natives do not go far in life when their key planets are in the 8th house.I can give many examples.The persons may be brilliant but do not achieve success to match their merits and qualifications and inherent potential. Regards Kaimal - Tanvir Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:21 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis 1) Please read my message in a calm manner, you will see that I have NEVER said that planets in 8th are ALWAYS problematic. Indeed, I admitted about their doing good such as longevity etc. 2) In your example Merc is 8L for Kumbha but remember he is also the 5L. So he is not all malefic, you can never say so. He is some benefic too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 My Dear Kaimal Ji, With the greatest respect to you i want to tell you that when i started learning astrology in 1983,i too had the same impressions about planets in the 8th house.May be because of what i had read in books.Since then i have seen hundreds of horoscopes of ppl with planets in the 8th house doing well in life. RK "S.Ramachandra Kaimal" <srckaimal wrote:Dear Tanvir, What you said about the planets in the 8th seem to be the general trend in actual life.If it is not,then it is an exception or incorrect chart.In my humble opinion and limited knowledge,Amitab's position,status and wealth are not combatibile with all those planets in 8th. In the many charts I have seen the natives do not go far in life when their key planets are in the 8th house.I can give many examples.The persons may be brilliant but do not achieve success to match their merits and qualifications and inherent potential. Regards Kaimal - Tanvir Thursday, October 14, 2004 10:21 PM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis 1) Please read my message in a calm manner, you will see that I have NEVER said that planets in 8th are ALWAYS problematic. Indeed, I admitted about their doing good such as longevity etc. 2) In your example Merc is 8L for Kumbha but remember he is also the 5L. So he is not all malefic, you can never say so. He is some benefic too. ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ / vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Dear Shri.RK, Yes,you may be right.Then what is the explanation?Is it due to some very powerful Yogas present to over ride the 8th house locations? I am in Kerala and one of the most famous traditional houses here in Vedic sciences is "Kanipayyur Illam".I am sure you have heard the name.One of their younger generation Namboothiris do an astrological on line consultation in Asianet TV.He attends the phone calls,gets the data and instantly feeds them into the compter and gets the chart and immediately gives an analysis and it is acurate most of the time.I am amazed.I remeber yesterday a man called about his daughter,and he said that she is unhappy because he has forced her to take Biology - even the name of the subject - for eventual admission for medicine whereas she wants to go for Engineering.And he agreed.How does he do that?He is very young and reflect the nobility,dignity and wisdom of the family.He picks up even medical problems without being asked. So may be an intution is a must for accurate predictions which can defy the rules. Regards Kaimal - Rup Krishen Baqaya Friday, October 15, 2004 9:28 AM Re: Reg: Gem Analysis My Dear Kaimal Ji, With the greatest respect to you i want to tell you that when i started learning astrology in 1983,i too had the same impressions about planets in the 8th house.May be because of what i had read in books.Since then i have seen hundreds of horoscopes of ppl with planets in the 8th house doing well in life. RK "S.Ramachandra Kaimal" <srckaimal wrote:Dear Tanvir, What you said about the planets in the 8th seem to be the general trend in actual life.If it is not,then it is an exception or incorrect chart.In my humble opinion and limited knowledge,Amitab's position,status and wealth are not combatibile with all those planets in 8th. In the many charts I have seen the natives do not go far in life when their key planets are in the 8th house.I can give many examples.The persons may be brilliant but do not achieve success to match their merits and qualifications and inherent potential. Regards Kaimal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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