Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 This is what I uploaded as "Group Policies"... recently I have received some complaints from a few members that is why I had to do so :-) Dear esteemed member of Jyotish Remedies (JR) forum, This file contains important information about the rules and regulations one should follow while posting to the forum and/or participating in discussions. Please take a while to read this. JR wishes and wants that the members of this forum promotes mutual respect and harmony while participating in discussion. Because when you go beyond your own limit, you trouble another one's rights. That is why it has been said that law is what ensures everyone's rights. The administration of JR works to maintain each member's rights. In order to do so JR administration suggests that one should follow the guidelines given below. Violating these might cause moderation, denial of the right to post, removal of membership, or even banning of the member with or without a warning. 1) Do not make yourself sound 'The Best' either in astrology or in any other specific area. This is not appreciated and annoying to the members. Because if you claim that you are the best, then it implies that others are inferior to you, which one generally would not appreciate to know/remember. 2) Avoid the idea to label your ideas and techniques as flawless or ultimate. In a technical argument, your approach should convey that your idea is your idea only, and may be wrong as well. This would not create a personal enmity. However, JR encourages that you engage in healthy debates and not be afraid of arguments supported by logic and kept within the area of respect and courtesy. But, never be disrespectful to others. 3) Do not be disrespectful to anyone with foul, vulgar, offensive or disrespectful messages. Do not pinch or try to disrespect anyone questioning his or her nationality, religion, sex, race, caste, age, educational background, qualification etc. 4) Do not post materials written by others. If you do so, acknowledge it. 5) Do not cross post. Do not post the same message to many lists that the reply to the message of another forum appears at JR. However, you can refer to any forum and forward a message from another one when appropriate. But be sure to acknowledge it. 6) Do not blame the members when they do not respond to your request for free help. This would strictly ban you. We created this forum to share knowledge and learn, not to offer a charity of astrological reading. If anyone offers you a free help with your chart, it is his kindness and be grateful for that. But in no way think that you are entitled to get this for sure. It is just a bonus only. 7) Do not repeat the post for free help over and over frequently. This is very much annoying. If you do not get a reply for free help, it means no one is interested or have the time; and do accept it. If you are so serious about your horoscope, consult an astrologer than bothering us, and do pay him for the service he renders. 8) While giving predictions, avoid an approach like, "You are going to die in such such period" or, "Your marriage will fail in such such period" or "You will be pennyless in such such period" etc. It is not appreciated to announce a serious negative prediction right away. You can say that there is a possibility of a serious problem in such such areas. 9) Do not advertise a website, be it astrological or anything. However, you may announce an astrological website, or an astrologer, or an astrological book, product or service. But, do not make it sound like an advertising, and avoid the approach of, "He is the best astrologer!" or "This remedy/yantra/yajna will solve all your problems!". Announcing a same website over and over is prohibited. However, you may announce an update of a website. You may add your web address, home address, telephone no. in your signature in short. 10) Do not post non astrological posts. The area might be extended to Hinduism, spirituality, Yoga, Vastu etc. sometimes. However, in a serious case, you may suggest something non-astrological. Such as, suggesting a doctor, a medicine, a herb etc. in case of a serious health concern. 11) Getting humourous is good. But only for a while. Let us stick to astrology as our only concern. 12) By providing a birth data, personal or any other information, you indicate that you offer us the full right to use the data for our studies, research work, or even a publication without any further permission from you. The data, comments and feedback become a public property when you submit it here in public. Finally, we look forward to your active participation and sharing of knowledge. Thanks for being one of us. Best wishes, Tanvir Chowdhury. Owner and Moderator, Jyotish Remedies (JR) discussion forum. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 A good beginning, if I may be so bold, Tanvir! Regarding item 12 an implied or expressed proviso must be that the astrologer or whatever who picks up the data from public domain MUST still remember that the birthdata may be in public domain but one must exercise all caution NOT to reveal personal id of the nativity or things that might reveal one's identity. After all, there is a lot of trust potentially involved when one puts one's data out and it must always be respected. People post their queries and data in all sorts of states of mind, some in great psychological and other forms of duress. One must always be sensitive to those and respond accordingly. This is very important (to me, anyway) and cannot be repeated often enough. RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > This is what I uploaded as "Group Policies"... recently I have received some complaints from a few members that is why I had to do so :-) > > Dear esteemed member of Jyotish Remedies (JR) forum, > > This file contains important information about the rules and regulations one should follow while posting to the forum and/or participating in discussions. Please take a while to read this. > > JR wishes and wants that the members of this forum promotes mutual respect and harmony while participating in discussion. Because when you go beyond your own limit, you trouble another one's rights. That is why it has been said that law is what ensures everyone's rights. > > The administration of JR works to maintain each member's rights. In order to do so JR administration suggests that one should follow the guidelines given below. Violating these might cause moderation, denial of the right to post, removal of membership, or even banning of the member with or without a warning. > > 1) Do not make yourself sound 'The Best' either in astrology or in any other specific area. This is not appreciated and annoying to the members. Because if you claim that you are the best, then it implies that others are inferior to you, which one generally would not appreciate to know/remember. > > 2) Avoid the idea to label your ideas and techniques as flawless or ultimate. In a technical argument, your approach should convey that your idea is your idea only, and may be wrong as well. This would not create a personal enmity. However, JR encourages that you engage in healthy debates and not be afraid of arguments supported by logic and kept within the area of respect and courtesy. But, never be disrespectful to others. > > 3) Do not be disrespectful to anyone with foul, vulgar, offensive or disrespectful messages. Do not pinch or try to disrespect anyone questioning his or her nationality, religion, sex, race, caste, age, educational background, qualification etc. > > 4) Do not post materials written by others. If you do so, acknowledge it. > > 5) Do not cross post. Do not post the same message to many lists that the reply to the message of another forum appears at JR. However, you can refer to any forum and forward a message from another one when appropriate. But be sure to acknowledge it. > > 6) Do not blame the members when they do not respond to your request for free help. This would strictly ban you. We created this forum to share knowledge and learn, not to offer a charity of astrological reading. If anyone offers you a free help with your chart, it is his kindness and be grateful for that. But in no way think that you are entitled to get this for sure. It is just a bonus only. > > 7) Do not repeat the post for free help over and over frequently. This is very much annoying. If you do not get a reply for free help, it means no one is interested or have the time; and do accept it. If you are so serious about your horoscope, consult an astrologer than bothering us, and do pay him for the service he renders. > > 8) While giving predictions, avoid an approach like, "You are going to die in such such period" or, "Your marriage will fail in such such period" or "You will be pennyless in such such period" etc. It is not appreciated to announce a serious negative prediction right away. You can say that there is a possibility of a serious problem in such such areas. > > 9) Do not advertise a website, be it astrological or anything. However, you may announce an astrological website, or an astrologer, or an astrological book, product or service. But, do not make it sound like an advertising, and avoid the approach of, "He is the best astrologer!" or "This remedy/yantra/yajna will solve all your problems!". Announcing a same website over and over is prohibited. However, you may announce an update of a website. You may add your web address, home address, telephone no. in your signature in short. > > 10) Do not post non astrological posts. The area might be extended to Hinduism, spirituality, Yoga, Vastu etc. sometimes. However, in a serious case, you may suggest something non-astrological. Such as, suggesting a doctor, a medicine, a herb etc. in case of a serious health concern. > > 11) Getting humourous is good. But only for a while. Let us stick to astrology as our only concern. > > 12) By providing a birth data, personal or any other information, you indicate that you offer us the full right to use the data for our studies, research work, or even a publication without any further permission from you. The data, comments and feedback become a public property when you submit it here in public. > > Finally, we look forward to your active participation and sharing of knowledge. > > Thanks for being one of us. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir Chowdhury. > > Owner and Moderator, > Jyotish Remedies (JR) discussion forum. > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an obligation to share findings from their research with their subjects. Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human subjects. Another related point is a certain awareness of the power relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice. Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I think Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is very good, a very participatory style. Ram , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > A good beginning, if I may be so bold, Tanvir! > > Regarding item 12 an implied or expressed proviso must be that the > astrologer or whatever who picks up the data from public domain MUST > still remember that the birthdata may be in public domain but one > must exercise all caution NOT to reveal personal id of the nativity > or things that might reveal one's identity. After all, there is a lot > of trust potentially involved when one puts one's data out and it > must always be respected. People post their queries and data in all > sorts of states of mind, some in great psychological and other forms > of duress. One must always be sensitive to those and respond > accordingly. > > This is very important (to me, anyway) and cannot be repeated often > enough. > > RR > > , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> > wrote: > > This is what I uploaded as "Group Policies"... recently I have > received some complaints from a few members that is why I had to do > so :-) > > > > Dear esteemed member of Jyotish Remedies (JR) forum, > > > > This file contains important information about the rules and > regulations one should follow while posting to the forum and/or > participating in discussions. Please take a while to read this. > > > > JR wishes and wants that the members of this forum promotes mutual > respect and harmony while participating in discussion. Because when > you go beyond your own limit, you trouble another one's rights. That > is why it has been said that law is what ensures everyone's rights. > > > > The administration of JR works to maintain each member's rights. In > order to do so JR administration suggests that one should follow the > guidelines given below. Violating these might cause moderation, > denial of the right to post, removal of membership, or even banning > of the member with or without a warning. > > > > 1) Do not make yourself sound 'The Best' either in astrology or in > any other specific area. This is not appreciated and annoying to the > members. Because if you claim that you are the best, then it implies > that others are inferior to you, which one generally would not > appreciate to know/remember. > > > > 2) Avoid the idea to label your ideas and techniques as flawless or > ultimate. In a technical argument, your approach should convey that > your idea is your idea only, and may be wrong as well. This would not > create a personal enmity. However, JR encourages that you engage in > healthy debates and not be afraid of arguments supported by logic and > kept within the area of respect and courtesy. But, never be > disrespectful to others. > > > > 3) Do not be disrespectful to anyone with foul, vulgar, offensive > or disrespectful messages. Do not pinch or try to disrespect anyone > questioning his or her nationality, religion, sex, race, caste, age, > educational background, qualification etc. > > > > 4) Do not post materials written by others. If you do so, > acknowledge it. > > > > 5) Do not cross post. Do not post the same message to many lists > that the reply to the message of another forum appears at JR. > However, you can refer to any forum and forward a message from > another one when appropriate. But be sure to acknowledge it. > > > > 6) Do not blame the members when they do not respond to your > request for free help. This would strictly ban you. We created this > forum to share knowledge and learn, not to offer a charity of > astrological reading. If anyone offers you a free help with your > chart, it is his kindness and be grateful for that. But in no way > think that you are entitled to get this for sure. It is just a bonus > only. > > > > 7) Do not repeat the post for free help over and over frequently. > This is very much annoying. If you do not get a reply for free help, > it means no one is interested or have the time; and do accept it. If > you are so serious about your horoscope, consult an astrologer than > bothering us, and do pay him for the service he renders. > > > > 8) While giving predictions, avoid an approach like, "You are going > to die in such such period" or, "Your marriage will fail in such such > period" or "You will be pennyless in such such period" etc. It is not > appreciated to announce a serious negative prediction right away. You > can say that there is a possibility of a serious problem in such such > areas. > > > > 9) Do not advertise a website, be it astrological or anything. > However, you may announce an astrological website, or an astrologer, > or an astrological book, product or service. But, do not make it > sound like an advertising, and avoid the approach of, "He is the best > astrologer!" or "This remedy/yantra/yajna will solve all your > problems!". Announcing a same website over and over is prohibited. > However, you may announce an update of a website. You may add your > web address, home address, telephone no. in your signature in short. > > > > 10) Do not post non astrological posts. The area might be extended > to Hinduism, spirituality, Yoga, Vastu etc. sometimes. However, in a > serious case, you may suggest something non-astrological. Such as, > suggesting a doctor, a medicine, a herb etc. in case of a serious > health concern. > > > > 11) Getting humourous is good. But only for a while. Let us stick > to astrology as our only concern. > > > > 12) By providing a birth data, personal or any other information, > you indicate that you offer us the full right to use the data for our > studies, research work, or even a publication without any further > permission from you. The data, comments and feedback become a public > property when you submit it here in public. > > > > Finally, we look forward to your active participation and sharing > of knowledge. > > > > Thanks for being one of us. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir Chowdhury. > > > > Owner and Moderator, > > Jyotish Remedies (JR) discussion forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving > remedies > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Tanvir Remembering would be difficult, may be we can take a test after few days on how many rules we remember? :-))) Just kidding The rules are quite good, should encourage, non partisan and healthy discussions best wishes partha , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > This is what I uploaded as "Group Policies"... recently I have received some complaints from a few members that is why I had to do so :-) > > Dear esteemed member of Jyotish Remedies (JR) forum, > > This file contains important information about the rules and regulations one should follow while posting to the forum and/or participating in discussions. Please take a while to read this. > > JR wishes and wants that the members of this forum promotes mutual respect and harmony while participating in discussion. Because when you go beyond your own limit, you trouble another one's rights. That is why it has been said that law is what ensures everyone's rights. > > The administration of JR works to maintain each member's rights. In order to do so JR administration suggests that one should follow the guidelines given below. Violating these might cause moderation, denial of the right to post, removal of membership, or even banning of the member with or without a warning. > > 1) Do not make yourself sound 'The Best' either in astrology or in any other specific area. This is not appreciated and annoying to the members. Because if you claim that you are the best, then it implies that others are inferior to you, which one generally would not appreciate to know/remember. > > 2) Avoid the idea to label your ideas and techniques as flawless or ultimate. In a technical argument, your approach should convey that your idea is your idea only, and may be wrong as well. This would not create a personal enmity. However, JR encourages that you engage in healthy debates and not be afraid of arguments supported by logic and kept within the area of respect and courtesy. But, never be disrespectful to others. > > 3) Do not be disrespectful to anyone with foul, vulgar, offensive or disrespectful messages. Do not pinch or try to disrespect anyone questioning his or her nationality, religion, sex, race, caste, age, educational background, qualification etc. > > 4) Do not post materials written by others. If you do so, acknowledge it. > > 5) Do not cross post. Do not post the same message to many lists that the reply to the message of another forum appears at JR. However, you can refer to any forum and forward a message from another one when appropriate. But be sure to acknowledge it. > > 6) Do not blame the members when they do not respond to your request for free help. This would strictly ban you. We created this forum to share knowledge and learn, not to offer a charity of astrological reading. If anyone offers you a free help with your chart, it is his kindness and be grateful for that. But in no way think that you are entitled to get this for sure. It is just a bonus only. > > 7) Do not repeat the post for free help over and over frequently. This is very much annoying. If you do not get a reply for free help, it means no one is interested or have the time; and do accept it. If you are so serious about your horoscope, consult an astrologer than bothering us, and do pay him for the service he renders. > > 8) While giving predictions, avoid an approach like, "You are going to die in such such period" or, "Your marriage will fail in such such period" or "You will be pennyless in such such period" etc. It is not appreciated to announce a serious negative prediction right away. You can say that there is a possibility of a serious problem in such such areas. > > 9) Do not advertise a website, be it astrological or anything. However, you may announce an astrological website, or an astrologer, or an astrological book, product or service. But, do not make it sound like an advertising, and avoid the approach of, "He is the best astrologer!" or "This remedy/yantra/yajna will solve all your problems!". Announcing a same website over and over is prohibited. However, you may announce an update of a website. You may add your web address, home address, telephone no. in your signature in short. > > 10) Do not post non astrological posts. The area might be extended to Hinduism, spirituality, Yoga, Vastu etc. sometimes. However, in a serious case, you may suggest something non-astrological. Such as, suggesting a doctor, a medicine, a herb etc. in case of a serious health concern. > > 11) Getting humourous is good. But only for a while. Let us stick to astrology as our only concern. > > 12) By providing a birth data, personal or any other information, you indicate that you offer us the full right to use the data for our studies, research work, or even a publication without any further permission from you. The data, comments and feedback become a public property when you submit it here in public. > > Finally, we look forward to your active participation and sharing of knowledge. > > Thanks for being one of us. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir Chowdhury. > > Owner and Moderator, > Jyotish Remedies (JR) discussion forum. > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 i personally like not to express my views / result of research. most people do not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and most of all, there creates a strong debate most of the times, and sometimes u give enough proofs but can not convince the person. so you seem an idiot. i have tried to convince many people about the mere existance and efficacy of astrology / jyotish, with enough proofs in the steps of life, but always failed. so whats abt the theories? they will be much difficult to prove, many times. it is just the person's karma, either to believe in astrology, remedies, etc etc. it is the will of god to select ppl who will believe astrology, remedies etc and put their effort in that to receive blessings. in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt this. 8th is the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and divinity. they are opposite, but when they both work, u get the full scope of it. thanks, tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - vargottama Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:59 AM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an obligation to share findings from their research with their subjects. Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human subjects. Another related point is a certain awareness of the power relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice. Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I think Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is very good, a very participatory style. Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 also, there are two types of people participating in a research by providing data. one kind, they are curious abt the result, another kind, they are not. the latter includes the general people who know no / little astrology and they are much more larger in number, in my experience. manytimes people who do not know astrology were impressed by my assesment abt their past life, that prompted them to give so much info about their life to help me enrich my database for my future referrence, and they just wished me best of luck and nothing else. many of my relatives, friends etc know abt me practicing astrology, and they give me data whenever required, but never interested to know abt my findings. so it all depends. if one is interested to know the result, he might add a condition that the researchist must tell him about it :-) that suffices. thanks, tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - vargottama Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:59 AM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an obligation to share findings from their research with their subjects. Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human subjects. Another related point is a certain awareness of the power relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice. Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I think Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is very good, a very participatory style. Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 Dear Rohini ji, I know you are right. But, *WHO* is going to take the responsibility? When I declare a rule, then I take the responsibility to maintain it. Such as I state that using slang might ban one, and I do as I say. But this forum has some 2300+ members, and many out there might later get the info posted here as well. So how can I assure a member here that his name /ID will not be disclosed with the info he posted here? If a member X uses the data posted by Y along with Y's name in some other place, publication, how do I get sure that I shall be knowing that? And what can I do than just banning X in that case, but can I withdraw the publication? Or what can I do if X already withdraws himself from this forum, after publishing Y's data with ID ? I rather try to be practical before declaring something ! :-D Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - rohiniranjan Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:44 AM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) A good beginning, if I may be so bold, Tanvir! Regarding item 12 an implied or expressed proviso must be that the astrologer or whatever who picks up the data from public domain MUST still remember that the birthdata may be in public domain but one must exercise all caution NOT to reveal personal id of the nativity or things that might reveal one's identity. After all, there is a lot of trust potentially involved when one puts one's data out and it must always be respected. People post their queries and data in all sorts of states of mind, some in great psychological and other forms of duress. One must always be sensitive to those and respond accordingly. This is very important (to me, anyway) and cannot be repeated often enough. RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 It is not so much that you are expected to control and regulate such individuals who are shall we say careless/callous at best but in declaring such a policy, you will be protecting yourself against any liability since this is, after all, your forum. Practical is good, in fact the only thing! In jyotish and in the world ;-) RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Dear Rohini ji, > > I know you are right. But, *WHO* is going to take the responsibility? When I declare a rule, then I take the responsibility to maintain it. Such as I state that using slang might ban one, and I do as I say. But this forum has some 2300+ members, and many out there might later get the info posted here as well. So how can I assure a member here that his name /ID will not be disclosed with the info he posted here? If a member X uses the data posted by Y along with Y's name in some other place, publication, how do I get sure that I shall be knowing that? And what can I do than just banning X in that case, but can I withdraw the publication? Or what can I do if X already withdraws himself from this forum, after publishing Y's data with ID ? > > I rather try to be practical before declaring something ! :-D > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > - > rohiniranjan > > Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:44 AM > Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) > > > > > A good beginning, if I may be so bold, Tanvir! > > Regarding item 12 an implied or expressed proviso must be that the > astrologer or whatever who picks up the data from public domain MUST > still remember that the birthdata may be in public domain but one > must exercise all caution NOT to reveal personal id of the nativity > or things that might reveal one's identity. After all, there is a lot > of trust potentially involved when one puts one's data out and it > must always be respected. People post their queries and data in all > sorts of states of mind, some in great psychological and other forms > of duress. One must always be sensitive to those and respond > accordingly. > > This is very important (to me, anyway) and cannot be repeated often > enough. > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2004 Report Share Posted October 13, 2004 , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: ...... > in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt this. 8th is the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and divinity. they are opposite, but when they both work, u get the full scope of it. > > Dear Tanvir, that is an interesting theory. Could you please explain what you mean by both of these working? Thanks, Sreelatha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 I wasn't talking about sharing it with the whole group, just the person who contributes the chart. Think of it this way. You are asked to be the subject of a psychology experiment, the researcher wants your birth date, and asks you personal details. Wouldn't you at least like to know why? What exactly the research is for? I don't know about you, but I know from friends of people who provide their e-mail IDs, to know what the result of a study was. Of course, it is possible to give people money and make them do experiments, and tell them nothing about what it was for. But the accepted ethical norms in research involving humans dictate that a debriefing is necessary. Like Balaji observed, it is a courtesy, but a courtesy institutionalised in all serious research involving humans. You don't have to present your results in absolute terms, just say "my hypothesis was X, this is what I found, based on this number of charts". Ram , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > i personally like not to express my views / result of research. most people do not understand, u do not get the appreciation, and most of all, there creates a strong debate most of the times, and sometimes u give enough proofs but can not convince the person. so you seem an idiot. i have tried to convince many people about the mere existance and efficacy of astrology / jyotish, with enough proofs in the steps of life, but always failed. so whats abt the theories? they will be much difficult to prove, many times. it is just the person's karma, either to believe in astrology, remedies, etc etc. it is the will of god to select ppl who will believe astrology, remedies etc and put their effort in that to receive blessings. in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt this. 8th is the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and divinity. they are opposite, but when they both work, u get the full scope of it. > > thanks, > tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) > Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies > > - > vargottama > > Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:59 AM > Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) > > > > > I would add that researchers who seek charts for research have an > obligation to share findings from their research with their subjects. > Basic debriefing principle followed in all research involving human > subjects. > > Another related point is a certain awareness of the power > relationship. Astrologers hold great power over their subjects, but > most of the time they exercise it in a way similar to > doctors/teachers of yesteryears. A kind of paternalistic practice. > Current theory in teaching/medicine advocate a role that is more > mindful of the power relationship. In some ways, this is implied in > Tanvir's point against pronouncements ('you will die' etc.). I think > Balaji's way of doing it (explaining why such and such obtains) is > very good, a very participatory style. > > Ram > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Read my other mail about it, I have clearly mentioned about not the group but about the people who participate. The reason is, the participants who do not know astrology indeed is a much, much larger than the participants who know astrology. Clearly this is the truth - since not even 10% people do not know astrology [speaking about chart reading]. So generally they do not care about the result simply because they just do not understand it. If you are working with data of astrology students only, it generally might indicated your area of data collection of indeed very very limited. Suppose in a survey of exalted retrograded planets behaviour, if the participants want to know, then he will have to know, have to understand what is an exalted planet, what is exaltation, what is retrogradation, why there might be a different behaviour for being both exalted and retro etc. Then he will enter the real result about the survey, then there would be a lot of theoritical discussion like, "But in some cases an exalted retro planet in a Kendra does good." or "But we saw that an exalted retro planet aspected by it's dispositor sometimes do good." Then he needs to know what is dispositor, aspects, kendra etc etc. No one is going to learn this just for knowing the result of the survey and as a return of giving birth data, unless he is actually interested in astrology. I take so much data from non-astro people and yet to find ONE person who told me to explain the result. Most just feel happy to help or in addition ask a few ques about their future etc., that is all. When we do a research on a topic, it shows even we astrology students are not sure of how it behaves. And in this case, if we expect a non-astro person to understand this, we are expecting a bit "too much". What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - vargottama Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:34 PM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) I wasn't talking about sharing it with the whole group, just the person who contributes the chart. Think of it this way. You are asked to be the subject of a psychology experiment, the researcher wants your birth date, and asks you personal details. Wouldn't you at least like to know why? What exactly the research is for? I don't know about you, but I know from friends of people who provide their e-mail IDs, to know what the result of a study was. Of course, it is possible to give people money and make them do experiments, and tell them nothing about what it was for. But the accepted ethical norms in research involving humans dictate that a debriefing is necessary. Like Balaji observed, it is a courtesy, but a courtesy institutionalised in all serious research involving humans. You don't have to present your results in absolute terms, just say "my hypothesis was X, this is what I found, based on this number of charts". Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 If I can not stop people from reproducing data published in this forum, how can I protect myself from such liabilities where oppositely, I am suggested to warn an astrologer not to reproduce the data? I seem totally foolish to warn about something that I have no control over. Rather, when I declare such sort of thing that "put your data at your own risk" then I am avoiding such responsibilities. Is it really wise of someone that he will offer his data to a PUBLIC forum like this, having a huge no. of members from all over the world, and having instant, free, non-conditional access to messages, and then the person offering this data will still hope that it remains PRIVATE and does not hampers his PRIVACY? This is really something funny :-D [LOL] Most of all, if a person has so much worried about his identity, who does not he opens a free a/c with a different name and admits that he is not going to reveal his identity? It is really very strange that I shall give my identity in such a widely used public forum and still hope it remains private. What a theif does is "immoral". But then, if I sleep keeping my doors wide open, and hope no one is going to be immoral, then it is my "stupidity". What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - rohiniranjan Thursday, October 14, 2004 4:58 AM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) It is not so much that you are expected to control and regulate such individuals who are shall we say careless/callous at best but in declaring such a policy, you will be protecting yourself against any liability since this is, after all, your forum. Practical is good, in fact the only thing! In jyotish and in the world ;-) RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Both of this influencing the chart right way, I meant. Strong, unafflicted, dominating 9th lord is the real blessing in the chart and in my opinion to be real spiritual and be able to see the ultimate truths one must also have a good, strong 8th lord. Best wishes, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) Predictive astrology with incredibly powerful problem solving remedies - V. Sreelatha Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:55 AM Re: Group Policies (Rules and Regulations) , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: ..... > in my opinion the houses 8th and 9th can tell a lot abt this. 8th is the ultimate truth, and 9th is the blessings and divinity. they are opposite, but when they both work, u get the full scope of it. > > Dear Tanvir, that is an interesting theory. Could you please explain what you mean by both of these working? Thanks, Sreelatha ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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