Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Dear Mark ji, As you said: "I don't believe that we're propelled or destiny is the cause of our > experiences." I too didn't mean that destiny is cause of our experiences. I wanted to say that it is something in me who is like a seer and guides to do something right. may be i am finding myself short in words to describe this thing.But i will try my best. At the times of "everything going wrong"...one gets confused,dismayed and disappointed enough. But one has a kind of determination to achieve the right thing.But he finds himself totally confused. In such situations knowing not what will happen and will it be fruitful i was guided to tread on some unknown path. I can call this as an act of free will...to try its best in hopeless situations. well i have had all the authentic events in my life which proves free will as well as predeterminism ........ I do not know how to relate both. I do not know how they co-exist. i do not know in what ratio each affects us. I am novice to 'Jyotish'...but it gives me a lot of answers. Wishing your guidance always(for spiritual quest)............... Amit...... , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > Dear Amit: > > Yes, you're right. > > However I'd add just one thing. > > I don't believe that we're propelled or destiny is the cause of our > experiences. > > The fact that Jyotish can predict many aspects of ourselves and our future > does show > there is a good case for some pre-determinism. > > We can tell by a person's physiology which people will be pre- dispossed to > high blood pressure for example... > > And that'll 'be' in one's chart,...but... > that doesn't mean the person has no free will to do things in the present, > so that, that disease > doesn't manifest! > > It's one of the most interesting and fascinating aspects of > 'Jyotish'/Astrology, that it is able to show us where we've come from, our > past, our previous actions, which are literally causing us our 'karmas' > today... > > but, also, our futures, our opportunities, and our 'choices'!... > > And yes, you're right, knowing all this,....does save a lot of time, > evolution and wasted effort, > in a life that's too programmed, narrow, and blinded by the limitations of > the past... > > Sincerely, > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > ps for those who want to pursue a research project I've been doing, on > finding the 'best' of both the Western & Eastern Astrology's systems... > check out : > > / "amit_call" <amit_call> > > Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:29:51 -0000 > > Re:2-Amit, > Mark Kincaid...10/9..... Re: What is My Life's > Purpose?........ > > > > sorry, > i made some mistake in sending message...... > my message was:::: > Dear surya ji and mark ji.... > I always felt that all the events whether they are bad or good are > carefully planned to move us on the path showing our life's purpose. > There is something in us who knows and says us what to > happen....whether it means to hurt us physically/mentally. > In all the painful periods i used to curse destiny....but it always > came up with a enlightening change which could have never been > possible without those pains/worries. > Normally it happens with everyone that after gaining confidence in > him or control on his normal life one says these type of words.... > I always came up saying... > ":I'm not a mistake...." > But this was not enough.this was not complete.... > when i started learning jyotish i started learning why i am not a > mistake. > why i have been propelled to that path..... > Not exactly but explaining miraculously. > hence.... > As mark said "It saves a lot".... > > > humbly On the way of learning...... > Always wishing your guidance > Amit > > , Mark Kincaid > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > Nothing came through from 'amit'? > > > > > > Mark K. > > > > > > > > "amit_call" <amit_call> > > > > Sat, 09 Oct 2004 11:55:00 -0000 > > > > 2-Surya, > Mark Kincaid...10/8..... Re: What is My > Life's > > Purpose?........ > > > > > > > > , Mark Kincaid > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > Dear Surya: > > > > > > Yes, I think you're right. It's our very lives, that we're > > living...that's > > > propelling us into the next stage of it... > > > > > > And whether we know our 'Jyotish' or not, we are moving along that > > path. > > > > > > I just like knowing more. > > > > > > It saves a lot... > > > > > > There was this recent movie called Unbreakable, who describes very > > > profoundly, what it feels, like, however, when one doesn't > > understand one's > > > life purpose. > > > Samuel Jackson is talking to the character played by Bruce Willis: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Do you know what the scariest thing is? > > > To not know your place in this world,.... > > > to not know why you're here, > > > ...that's just an awful feeling... > > > > > > I almost gave up hope,.. > > > There were so many times ...I questioned myself... > > > > > > but I found....(and here let's say Jyotish).... > > > ..... > > > & Now.... I know who I am...! > > > > > > I'm not a mistake.... > > > > > > It all makes sense!" > > > > > > > > > > > > I love this expression. > > > Really captures what life without knowing can be like, and the > kind > > of > > > innocent, 'aha' that comes when you start to Know! > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > > > > > Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:22:27 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > > Re: 2-RR, > Mark Kincaid...9/27..... Re: What is My > > Life's > > > Purpose?........ > > > > > > > > > I have a question here .. whatever be the purpose of > > > life .. arent we subtly being guided towards attaining > > > it by undergoing our karmas? it's a different issue > > > that we might not be aware of the answer ... > > > a cell in the eye performs its function irrespective > > > of knowing it's purpose or not? isnt it? > > > > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear RR: > > > > > > > > I didn't think 'cynthia' was asking for > > > > specifics,... > > > > but in case my long, refrain was missed.. > > > > > > > > life purpose, can be seen in our 10th houses,...and > > > > all the subtleties, of > > > > it... > > > > and > > > > in every aspect of our charts,....all together.... > > > > > > > > Each person's life purpose, is different.... > > > > but each person's.... life purpose, can be seen, > > > > through the eyes of 'their' > > > > jyotish... > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > > > Mon, 27 Sep 2004 01:38:33 -0000 > > > > > > > > 2-Cynthia & All, > Mark > > > > Kincaid...9/27..... Re: What is My > > > > Life's Purpose?........ > > > > > > > > > > > > What is the answer, Mark? > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , Mark > > > > Kincaid > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends/Jyotish remedies: > > > > > September 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > This is a very beautiful, and important > > > > question.... > > > > > > > > > > Mark K. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 02:55 PM 9/25/04 -0500, Cynthia.... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All > > > > > > I have a thoughtful question and I'd like any > > > > opinions. What do > > > > you say > > > > > >when someone asks: "What is my life's purpose?" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All: > > > > > September 27, 2004 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a very beautiful, and significant > > > > question, especially in > > > > regards to > > > > > the special 'field' of Jyotish or Astrology. > > > > > > > > > > People have been asking this very important, > > > > almost Philosophical > > > > Question, > > > > > for thousands of years, and most religions and > > > > Philosophys have > > > > attempted to > > > > > answer this very 'basic' human question. > > > > > > > > > > When I started studying Jyotish, I discovered, > > > > there was even an > > > > entire > > > > > 'House' wrapped up in or around this question. > > > > > > > > > > Normally, people have 3 most often asked questions > > > > when they come > > > > to have > > > > > their charts, 'read'. > > > > > > > > > > They either say, Q #1, What is my life purpose or > > > > 'career', or they > > > > ask #2, > > > > > How can I make more money, or...#3,.... What's > > > > going on in regards > > > > to > > > > > 'relationships'.... > > > > > > > > > > According to Jyotish, most of the time; this > > > > question of 'life > > > > purpose', is > > > > > answered in the area of the 10th House, and 10th > > > > House Lord.... > > > > > > > > > > Career, then, is one of the primary significations > > > > of the 10th > > > > house, so > > > > > when someone ask's Q What is my life purpose, most > > > > of the time > > > > they're > > > > > asking about 'career'... > > > > > > > > > > There are about 4 very important layers in our > > > > Jyotish charts, that > > > > goes to > > > > > answer this, and really every question... > > > > > > > > > > #1 Look at the Sign, or Constellation that's in > > > > your 10th House.... > > > > > > > > > > This Astrological Sign, really represents the most > > > > basic energy, or > > > > back > > > > > drop, in which your ideal 'career', in this > > > > case,.... is meant to > > > > be. > > > > > > > > > > #2 Look at the Lord of that 'Sign'. > > > > > > > > > > Where is that Lord, how is it doing, what are the > > > > details of it's > > > > > 'configuration'? > > > > > > > > > > This info. gives unique details about one's > > > > purpose and karmas > > > > especially > > > > > associated with career, and even life purpose... > > > > > > > > > > #3 Are there any Planets in the 10th House? > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > #4.. Are there any Planets aspecting the 10th > > > > House, of the 10th > > > > House > > > > > lord...? > > > > > > > > > > All these more subtle considerations also go into > > > > explaining the > > > > overall > > > > > situation... > > > > > > > > > > I can explain this vividly, looking at my own > > > > chart. > > > > > > > > > > I have a Libra rising, so #1, Cancer is the sign > > > > that's in my 10th > > > > House. > > > > > > > > > > Though when I was younger I would never have been > > > > able to tell you > > > > that I > > > > > liked to 'nourish' or 'give' in the unique ways > > > > that Cancer > > > > represents, in > > > > > my 10th house... > > > > > > > > > > Part of the confusion for me, was the Lord of > > > > Cancer, the Moon, was > > > > in my > > > > > 12th House,... which represents a kind of 'loss', > > > > due to it's > > > > placement in > > > > > the 12th....house of 'expenditures'.... > > > > > > > > > > And Jyotish says, every Lord, sends back a mail, > > > > vibration, or > > > > quality, from > > > > > where it is; whether it's happy where it is, or > > > > confused, or > > > > lost....etc.... > > > > > > > > > > For me, I had a very Philosophical nature, which > > > > is very symbolic > > > > of the > > > > > Moon in the 12th, and a fairly linear or cerebral > > > > quality, to my > > > > > investigations and wonderings... > > > > > > > > > > And that's very symbolic of Moon, Lord of the 10th > > > > being in Virgo, > > > > in > > > > > additon to being in the 12th... > > > > > > > > > > Layer upon layer.... > > > > > > > > > > Like this, every 'layer' of Jyotish, it's rules > > > > and principles, can > > > > help us > > > > > understand the unique qualities of each area of > > > > our lives... > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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