Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Dear KAD Prabhu, pranam > To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all > are same and I dont write messages with any > prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely >he can be remedy for everything and > no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna? I see it in the same way like you and i am a Vaishnava which is very attached to lord Shiva too.Only a kanista adikari think his spiritual way is the ONLY one. hari om Shad , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear friend, > > > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part > of > > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > > and may preform ceremonies, etc. > > This is just a prejudice ! > By a lay man, I mean who is LOUKIKA(worldly and materialistic) person > and not VAIDIKA. > Though I never said anything about Caste and Birth, you are > unnecceasarily pulling that topic. > Vedas mean and speak of knowledge and whoever has it becomes a Vaidik > irrespective of caste or race. > The Varna - Ashrama system was a system of faculties which got many > different turns during ages. > For in BhagavadGeeta, Lord Krishna says..."....CHAATUR VARNAM MAYAA > SRSHTAM..."(I created the four Varnas). > > To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all > are same and I dont write messages with any > prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely he > can be remedy for everything and > no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna? even Christ can solve the > problems(Perhaps you have read Prabhupada's article on that). > Sometimes A PARTICULAR FREQUENCY > is needed to solve some problem; then a particular form of Puja of a > particular DIETY gets the results faster. > Why do you think Lord Narayana is described to take TEN different > incarnations during different ages? > Can he not do it as he is? His particular FORM/ avatara/incarnation > is necessary at particular time. > So is the case with planetary dieties concerned. > > I just wanted to say BLUE would be better than GREEN in case of > Saturn but you are free to see your colour > > yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" > <priitaa> wrote: > > BUT they must be done the VEDIC way< > > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is > to< > > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help< > > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc > appealing< > > >to lay man.<< > > > > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part > of > > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > > and may preform ceremonies, etc. In any case, I DO know how to > > preform arotika, puja, etc.. However for other readers on the list, > > its not impossible to learn, birth is irrelevant, sincere endeavor > > and a willingness is all thats required, and it need not be > > complicated either. I'm done. Now, back to who is in charge of > > what. I'm open to hearing more about that topic, as it seems so > > many have different opinions on this. So, who is the authority on > > this topic? When in doubt, always trace it back to a (bona fide!) > > authority. I am only interested in Vaisnava authoroty myself. To > each > > their own. Haribol and all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri > > Radha Krishna! > > > > YS, > > Prtha dd > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties > > > > > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling > > diety > > > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ > > > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really > > deplorable > > > to note that local authors add some more gods of their > > > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. > > > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and > > > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it > if > > > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious > > > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different > > > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they > > > have no confusion. > > > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for > > the > > > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: > > > > > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) > and > > so > > > on from Nakshatra sookta > > > > > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama > > > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda > > > Ashwalayana Sutra] > > > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic > texts > > too > > > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). > > > > > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH > and > > > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati > > > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and > > Mrityunjaya > > > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, > > > > > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI- YAMOU > > > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." > > > > > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped > for > > > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way > > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is > to > > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help > > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing > > to > > > lay man. > > > > > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for > > > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get > > > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic > > > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an > > > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the > CORRECT > > > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! > > > > > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like > > particular > > > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! > > > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or > > > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > dasi" > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > Thank you. This makes sense. > > > > > > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of > > > them > > > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you > mentioned. > > My > > > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, > so > > I > > > do > > > > not know much about these others. > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage > > Jaimini's > > > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. > > > Sorry, > > > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > > > > easily. > > > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not > > directly > > > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, > > as > > > > his > > > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, > and > > > this > > > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > > > > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :- ) > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > devi > > > > dasi" > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in > > the > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding > > > Deity > > > > > OR > > > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that > Lord > > > Siva > > > > > is. > > > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some > form > > of > > > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > > > > believe, > > > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the > > diety > > > > of > > > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in > > the > > > > > areas > > > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > > devi > > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. > > Sorry. > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha > (Priitaa) > > > > devi > > > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, > > but > > > > > never > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease > Sani > > > > Dev, > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > repeats > > > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard > before > > > > never > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please > > show > > > me > > > > > > what > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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