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Dear KAD Prabhu,

pranam

 

> To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all

> are same and I dont write messages with any

> prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely

>he can be remedy for everything and

> no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna?

 

I see it in the same way like you and i am a Vaishnava which is very

attached to lord Shiva too.Only a kanista adikari think his

spiritual way is the ONLY one.

 

hari om

Shad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

> Dear friend,

>

> > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is

far

> > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be

part

> of

> > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as

qualified

> > and may preform ceremonies, etc.

>

> This is just a prejudice :)!

> By a lay man, I mean who is LOUKIKA(worldly and materialistic)

person

> and not VAIDIKA.

> Though I never said anything about Caste and Birth, you are

> unnecceasarily pulling that topic.

> Vedas mean and speak of knowledge and whoever has it becomes a

Vaidik

> irrespective of caste or race.

> The Varna - Ashrama system was a system of faculties which got

many

> different turns during ages.

> For in BhagavadGeeta, Lord Krishna says..."....CHAATUR VARNAM

MAYAA

> SRSHTAM..."(I created the four Varnas).

>

> To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all

> are same and I dont write messages with any

> prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely

he

> can be remedy for everything and

> no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna? even Christ can solve the

> problems(Perhaps you have read Prabhupada's article on that).

> Sometimes A PARTICULAR FREQUENCY

> is needed to solve some problem; then a particular form of Puja of

a

> particular DIETY gets the results faster.

> Why do you think Lord Narayana is described to take TEN different

> incarnations during different ages?

> Can he not do it as he is? His particular FORM/

avatara/incarnation

> is necessary at particular time.

> So is the case with planetary dieties concerned.

>

> I just wanted to say BLUE would be better than GREEN in case of

> Saturn but you are free to see your colour :)

>

> yours humbly,

> KAD

>

>

>

>

> , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi

dasi"

> <priitaa> wrote:

> > BUT they must be done the VEDIC way<

> > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way

is

> to<

> > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help<

> > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc

> appealing<

> > >to lay man.<<

> >

> > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is

far

> > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be

part

> of

> > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as

qualified

> > and may preform ceremonies, etc. In any case, I DO know how to

> > preform arotika, puja, etc.. However for other readers on the

list,

> > its not impossible to learn, birth is irrelevant, sincere

endeavor

> > and a willingness is all thats required, and it need not be

> > complicated either. I'm done. Now, back to who is in charge of

> > what. :) I'm open to hearing more about that topic, as it seems

so

> > many have different opinions on this. So, who is the authority

on

> > this topic? When in doubt, always trace it back to a (bona

fide!)

> > authority. I am only interested in Vaisnava authoroty myself. To

> each

> > their own. Haribol and all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Sri

Sri

> > Radha Krishna! :)

> >

> > YS,

> > Prtha dd

> >

> > , "kadrudra"

<kadrudra>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties

> > >

> > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling

> > diety

> > > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ

> > > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really

> > deplorable

> > > to note that local authors add some more gods of their

> > > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big

confusion.

> > > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and

> > > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with

it

> if

> > > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious

> > > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different

> > > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and

they

> > > have no confusion.

> > > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also

for

> > the

> > > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas:

> > >

> > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni)

> and

> > so

> > > on from Nakshatra sookta

> > >

> > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama

> > > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda

> > > Ashwalayana Sutra]

> > > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic

> texts

> > too

> > > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes).

> > >

> > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH

> and

> > > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati

> > > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and

> > Mrityunjaya

> > > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka,

> > >

> > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI-

YAMOU

> > > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...."

> > >

> > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped

> for

> > > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way

> > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way

is

> to

> > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help

> > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc

appealing

> > to

> > > lay man.

> > >

> > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped

for

> > > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get

> > > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic

> > > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an

> > > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the

> CORRECT

> > > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote!

> > >

> > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like

> > particular

> > > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good!

> > > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or

> > > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT!

> > >

> > > yours humbly,

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi

> > dasi"

> > > <priitaa> wrote:

> > > > Thank you. This makes sense.

> > > >

> > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know

of

> > > them

> > > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you

> mentioned.

> > My

> > > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami

Prabhupada,

> so

> > I

> > > do

> > > > not know much about these others.

> > > >

> > > > YS,

> > > > Prtha dd

> > > >

> > > > , "V. Sreelatha"

> > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage

> > Jaimini's

> > > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of

Saturn.

> > > Sorry,

> > > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that

up

> > > > easily.

> > > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not

> > directly

> > > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped

instead,

> > as

> > > > his

> > > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara

also

> > > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet,

> and

> > > this

> > > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-).

> > > > >

> > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha

> > > > >

> > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :-

)

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa)

> devi

> > > > dasi"

> > > > > <priitaa> wrote:

> > > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say

in

> > the

> > > > > Vedic

> > > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the

presiding

> > > Deity

> > > > > OR

> > > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that

> Lord

> > > Siva

> > > > > is.

> > > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some

> form

> > of

> > > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what

I

> > > > > believe,

> > > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too).

> > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YS,

> > > > > > Prtha dd

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha"

> > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Priitaa,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is

the

> > diety

> > > > of

> > > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems

in

> > the

> > > > > areas

> > > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hope that helps.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > -vs

> > > > > > > , "Prtha

(Priitaa)

> > > devi

> > > > > > dasi"

> > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title.

> > Sorry.

> > > > > Just

> > > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank

you.)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > YS,

> > > > > > > > Prtha dd

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Prtha

> (Priitaa)

> > > > devi

> > > > > > > dasi"

> > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files

section,

> > but

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You

(king_tanvir)

> > > said:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3

> > > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease

> Sani

> > > > Dev,

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that

the

> > > > mantra

> > > > > > > > repeats

> > > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. <<

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard

> before

> > > > never

> > > > > > > heard

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani.

Please

> > show

> > > me

> > > > > > what

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Y.S.,

> > > > > > > > > Prtha d.d.

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