Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Dear Friends, SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling diety of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really deplorable to note that local authors add some more gods of their own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it if the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious methods according to Vedas do certainly have different Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they have no confusion. Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for the stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) and so on from Nakshatra sookta For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda Ashwalayana Sutra] One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic texts too (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH and the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and Mrityunjaya for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI-YAMOU DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped for each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing to lay man. I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the CORRECT colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like particular colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! yours humbly, KAD , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" <priitaa> wrote: > Thank you. This makes sense. > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of them > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you mentioned. My > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, so I do > not know much about these others. > > YS, > Prtha dd > > , "V. Sreelatha" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage Jaimini's > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. Sorry, > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > easily. > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not directly > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, as > his > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, and this > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :-) > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > dasi" > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in the > > Vedic > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding Deity > > OR > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that Lord Siva > > is. > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some form of > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > believe, > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). Thanks. > > > > > > YS, > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the diety > of > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in the > > areas > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > > dasi" > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. Sorry. > > Just > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > devi > > > > dasi" > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, but > > never > > > > > heard > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) said: > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease Sani > Dev, > > is > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > mantra > > > > > repeats > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard before > never > > > > heard > > > > > of > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please show me > > > what > > > > He > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 BUT they must be done the VEDIC way< > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to< > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help< > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing< >to lay man.<< I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part of a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified and may preform ceremonies, etc. In any case, I DO know how to preform arotika, puja, etc.. However for other readers on the list, its not impossible to learn, birth is irrelevant, sincere endeavor and a willingness is all thats required, and it need not be complicated either. I'm done. Now, back to who is in charge of what. I'm open to hearing more about that topic, as it seems so many have different opinions on this. So, who is the authority on this topic? When in doubt, always trace it back to a (bona fide!) authority. I am only interested in Vaisnava authoroty myself. To each their own. Haribol and all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri Radha Krishna! YS, Prtha dd , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling diety > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really deplorable > to note that local authors add some more gods of their > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it if > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they > have no confusion. > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for the > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) and so > on from Nakshatra sookta > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda > Ashwalayana Sutra] > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic texts too > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH and > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and Mrityunjaya > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI-YAMOU > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped for > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing to > lay man. > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the CORRECT > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like particular > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! > > yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" > <priitaa> wrote: > > Thank you. This makes sense. > > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of > them > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you mentioned. My > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, so I > do > > not know much about these others. > > > > YS, > > Prtha dd > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage Jaimini's > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. > Sorry, > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > > easily. > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not directly > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, as > > his > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, and > this > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :-) > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > dasi" > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in the > > > Vedic > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding > Deity > > > OR > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that Lord > Siva > > > is. > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some form of > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > > believe, > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). Thanks. > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the diety > > of > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in the > > > areas > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > devi > > > > dasi" > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. Sorry. > > > Just > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > devi > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, but > > > never > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease Sani > > Dev, > > > is > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > > mantra > > > > > > repeats > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard before > > never > > > > > heard > > > > > > of > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please show > me > > > > what > > > > > He > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Dear friend, > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part of > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > and may preform ceremonies, etc. This is just a prejudice ! By a lay man, I mean who is LOUKIKA(worldly and materialistic) person and not VAIDIKA. Though I never said anything about Caste and Birth, you are unnecceasarily pulling that topic. Vedas mean and speak of knowledge and whoever has it becomes a Vaidik irrespective of caste or race. The Varna - Ashrama system was a system of faculties which got many different turns during ages. For in BhagavadGeeta, Lord Krishna says..."....CHAATUR VARNAM MAYAA SRSHTAM..."(I created the four Varnas). To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all are same and I dont write messages with any prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely he can be remedy for everything and no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna? even Christ can solve the problems(Perhaps you have read Prabhupada's article on that). Sometimes A PARTICULAR FREQUENCY is needed to solve some problem; then a particular form of Puja of a particular DIETY gets the results faster. Why do you think Lord Narayana is described to take TEN different incarnations during different ages? Can he not do it as he is? His particular FORM/ avatara/incarnation is necessary at particular time. So is the case with planetary dieties concerned. I just wanted to say BLUE would be better than GREEN in case of Saturn but you are free to see your colour yours humbly, KAD , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" <priitaa> wrote: > BUT they must be done the VEDIC way< > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to< > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help< > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing< > >to lay man.<< > > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part of > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > and may preform ceremonies, etc. In any case, I DO know how to > preform arotika, puja, etc.. However for other readers on the list, > its not impossible to learn, birth is irrelevant, sincere endeavor > and a willingness is all thats required, and it need not be > complicated either. I'm done. Now, back to who is in charge of > what. I'm open to hearing more about that topic, as it seems so > many have different opinions on this. So, who is the authority on > this topic? When in doubt, always trace it back to a (bona fide!) > authority. I am only interested in Vaisnava authoroty myself. To each > their own. Haribol and all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri > Radha Krishna! > > YS, > Prtha dd > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties > > > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling > diety > > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ > > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really > deplorable > > to note that local authors add some more gods of their > > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. > > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and > > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it if > > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious > > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different > > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they > > have no confusion. > > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for > the > > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: > > > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) and > so > > on from Nakshatra sookta > > > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama > > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda > > Ashwalayana Sutra] > > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic texts > too > > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). > > > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH and > > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati > > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and > Mrityunjaya > > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, > > > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI-YAMOU > > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." > > > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped for > > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing > to > > lay man. > > > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for > > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get > > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic > > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an > > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the CORRECT > > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! > > > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like > particular > > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! > > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or > > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! > > > > yours humbly, > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > dasi" > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > Thank you. This makes sense. > > > > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of > > them > > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you mentioned. > My > > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, so > I > > do > > > not know much about these others. > > > > > > YS, > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage > Jaimini's > > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. > > Sorry, > > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > > > easily. > > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not > directly > > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, > as > > > his > > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, and > > this > > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :-) > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > > dasi" > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in > the > > > > Vedic > > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding > > Deity > > > > OR > > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that Lord > > Siva > > > > is. > > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some form > of > > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > > > believe, > > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the > diety > > > of > > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in > the > > > > areas > > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > devi > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. > Sorry. > > > > Just > > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > > devi > > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, > but > > > > never > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease Sani > > > Dev, > > > > is > > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > > > mantra > > > > > > > repeats > > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard before > > > never > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please > show > > me > > > > > what > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 I forgot to mention that I was not looking for names of demigods in charge of the various planets (such as Yamaraja, etc), as every demigod must approach Krishna to give us any benediction, and every planet is acutally under the control of Lord Sri Krishna, so I was asking for "Vaisnava" Vishnu names regarding who is in charge of each planet, specifically Saturn in this case. Thanks. YS, Prtha dd , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling diety > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really deplorable > to note that local authors add some more gods of their > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it if > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they > have no confusion. > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for the > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) and so > on from Nakshatra sookta > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda > Ashwalayana Sutra] > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic texts too > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH and > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and Mrityunjaya > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI-YAMOU > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped for > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is to > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing to > lay man. > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the CORRECT > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like particular > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! > > yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" > <priitaa> wrote: > > Thank you. This makes sense. > > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of > them > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you mentioned. My > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, so I > do > > not know much about these others. > > > > YS, > > Prtha dd > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage Jaimini's > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. > Sorry, > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > > easily. > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not directly > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, as > > his > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, and > this > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :-) > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > dasi" > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in the > > > Vedic > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding > Deity > > > OR > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that Lord > Siva > > > is. > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some form of > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > > believe, > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). Thanks. > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the diety > > of > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in the > > > areas > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > devi > > > > dasi" > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. Sorry. > > > Just > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > devi > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, but > > > never > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease Sani > > Dev, > > > is > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > > mantra > > > > > > repeats > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard before > > never > > > > > heard > > > > > > of > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please show > me > > > > what > > > > > He > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 No, I was not saying anything prejudicial at all, or that this was definitely what you meant, simply it could have been read either way, so I was giving you an opportunity to clear it up. Which you did. Wishing you well. Hare Krishna. YS, Prtha dd , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear friend, > > > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part > of > > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > > and may preform ceremonies, etc. > > This is just a prejudice ! > By a lay man, I mean who is LOUKIKA(worldly and materialistic) person > and not VAIDIKA. > Though I never said anything about Caste and Birth, you are > unnecceasarily pulling that topic. > Vedas mean and speak of knowledge and whoever has it becomes a Vaidik > irrespective of caste or race. > The Varna - Ashrama system was a system of faculties which got many > different turns during ages. > For in BhagavadGeeta, Lord Krishna says..."....CHAATUR VARNAM MAYAA > SRSHTAM..."(I created the four Varnas). > > To me, Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shaakta, Koumara, Soura, Gaanaapatya all > are same and I dont write messages with any > prejudice. Lord Narayana is the protector of the world and surely he > can be remedy for everything and > no doubt in that fact! Why only Krishna? even Christ can solve the > problems(Perhaps you have read Prabhupada's article on that). > Sometimes A PARTICULAR FREQUENCY > is needed to solve some problem; then a particular form of Puja of a > particular DIETY gets the results faster. > Why do you think Lord Narayana is described to take TEN different > incarnations during different ages? > Can he not do it as he is? His particular FORM/ avatara/incarnation > is necessary at particular time. > So is the case with planetary dieties concerned. > > I just wanted to say BLUE would be better than GREEN in case of > Saturn but you are free to see your colour > > yours humbly, > KAD > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi dasi" > <priitaa> wrote: > > BUT they must be done the VEDIC way< > > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is > to< > > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help< > > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc > appealing< > > >to lay man.<< > > > > I dont know who or what you consider to be lay man, but it is far > > more important to chant any mantra from the heart than to be part > of > > a caste system where only smarta brahmana's are viewed as qualified > > and may preform ceremonies, etc. In any case, I DO know how to > > preform arotika, puja, etc.. However for other readers on the list, > > its not impossible to learn, birth is irrelevant, sincere endeavor > > and a willingness is all thats required, and it need not be > > complicated either. I'm done. Now, back to who is in charge of > > what. I'm open to hearing more about that topic, as it seems so > > many have different opinions on this. So, who is the authority on > > this topic? When in doubt, always trace it back to a (bona fide!) > > authority. I am only interested in Vaisnava authoroty myself. To > each > > their own. Haribol and all glories to Srila Prabhupada and Sri Sri > > Radha Krishna! > > > > YS, > > Prtha dd > > > > , "kadrudra" <kadrudra> > > wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > SUB: SATURN and the ruling dieties > > > > > > Each classical work on astrology gives its opinion for ruling > > diety > > > of each planet. So Parashara and Jaimini may differ > > > and of course even VarahaMihira and Kalidasa. It is really > > deplorable > > > to note that local authors add some more gods of their > > > own perception(rather devotion) finally creating a big confusion. > > > Some escape saying that all gods and dieties are one and > > > the same and hence anything would do. Of course I agree with it > if > > > the devotee is in the way of pure Vendata. But religious > > > methods according to Vedas do certainly have different > > > Adhidevata/Pratyadhidevata but usually FIXED wrt planets and they > > > have no confusion. > > > Vedas have fixed set of dieties not only for planets but also for > > the > > > stars or Nakshatras. To quote from Vedas: > > > > > > "Agnirnah paatu Krittikaah......" (Krittika star diety - Agni) > and > > so > > > on from Nakshatra sookta > > > > > > For Saturn, dieties described are Prajapati(Adhidevata), Yama > > > (Pratyadhidevata) and Mrityunjaya(Abhimana devata) [Rgveda > > > Ashwalayana Sutra] > > > One can find them in sets in GRAHA-YAJNA kanda in Yajurvedic > texts > > too > > > (With different MANTRA of same diety sometimes). > > > > > > Astro-technically speaking, Saturn is concerned with the DEATH > and > > > the AYUSH-KARAKA, which proves the need to please Prajapati > > > for Ayusha, Yama for protection from accidental death and > > Mrityunjaya > > > for avoiding the death. To quote from NavagrahaNavaka, > > > > > > "Mandah KriShnanibhah.....sthaanam pashchima dik PRAJAAPATI- YAMOU > > > DEVOU dhanushyaasanam...." > > > > > > So it is clear in vedas which are the dieties to be worshipped > for > > > each planet and star. BUT they must be done the VEDIC way > > > which is not possible for lay man usually and so easiest way is > to > > > please ABHIMAANA DEVATA which can be done with the help > > > of VEDANGAS like KALPA which describes POOJA, VRATA etc appealing > > to > > > lay man. > > > > > > I do not say lord NAARAYANA is not the diety to be worshipped for > > > Saturn, but it wud be correct to please exact diety to get > > > full returns. Vedantic approach is GOD IS THE LIGHT..but Vedic > > > approach is LIGHT IS MADE OF SEVEN COLOURS. When you want an > > > exact effect, better choose the exact frequency to get the > CORRECT > > > colour. Hope some could understand what I wrote! > > > > > > LAST BIT: Sometimes people are colour-blind and some like > > particular > > > colour and some keep on fighting to prove their colour good! > > > But the reality is COLOUR is just an illusion or > > > MAAYAA..and what exists is just the LIGHT! > > > > > > yours humbly, > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) devi > > dasi" > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > Thank you. This makes sense. > > > > > > > > If there are any other sources as evidence, I'd love to know of > > > them > > > > as I really am not familiar with the works of who you > mentioned. > > My > > > > prefered source of all Vedic literatures is Swami Prabhupada, > so > > I > > > do > > > > not know much about these others. > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > You are right, I should have quoted the reference, Sage > > Jaimini's > > > > > Upadesa Sutras mention that Narayana is the diety of Saturn. > > > Sorry, > > > > > I don't the verse # handy, but you can probably look that up > > > > easily. > > > > > Parasara mentions Brahma in BHPS, however, Brahma is not > > directly > > > > > worshipped in Hinduism, hence Narayana is worshipped instead, > > as > > > > his > > > > > divine father, i.e. the Creator of the creator. Parasara also > > > > > mentioned the Vishnu Avatara corresponding to each planet, > and > > > this > > > > > is Koormaavatara for Saturn. Take your pick :-). > > > > > > > > > > Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > P.S. Is there anything that Narayana is NOT a remedy for :- ) > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > devi > > > > dasi" > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > Thank you. Yes, this I understand. But where does it say in > > the > > > > > Vedic > > > > > > literatures or Jyotish Veda that Narayana is the presiding > > > Deity > > > > > OR > > > > > > an acceptable remedial over Sani? I have only read that > Lord > > > Siva > > > > > is. > > > > > > I guess what I am asking for is a quote or two, or some > form > > of > > > > > > evidence. Not because I disbelieve, but to validate what I > > > > > believe, > > > > > > or maybe want to believe (that it is Lord Narayana too). > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > , "V. Sreelatha" > > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Priitaa, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Every planet is governed by a deity and Narayana is the > > diety > > > > of > > > > > > > Saturn. Hence, you may focus on Narayana for problems in > > the > > > > > areas > > > > > > > ruled by Sani in your chart, if you like. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -vs > > > > > > > , "Prtha (Priitaa) > > > devi > > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > > I didn't mean to include Lord Nrsimha in the title. > > Sorry. > > > > > Just > > > > > > > > ignore that. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Am in need of Vaisnava remedial for Sani. Thank you.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > YS, > > > > > > > > Prtha dd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Prtha > (Priitaa) > > > > devi > > > > > > > dasi" > > > > > > > > <priitaa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I found something interesting in your files section, > > but > > > > > never > > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > > this before. Could you explain it? You (king_tanvir) > > > said: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> narayana_mantra.mp3 > > > > > > > > > Praying to Lord Narayana Mantra is good to appease > Sani > > > > Dev, > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > repeated here 9 times. Play this 12 times so that the > > > > mantra > > > > > > > > repeats > > > > > > > > > 9X12=108 times. << > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this encouraging! Yet I have never heard > before > > > > never > > > > > > > heard > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > any remedial between Lord Narayana and Sani. Please > > show > > > me > > > > > > what > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > has to do (as a remedial) with Sani? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Y.S., > > > > > > > > > Prtha d.d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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