Guest guest Posted October 1, 2004 Report Share Posted October 1, 2004 Dear list, As a starter I have lot of curious doubts. Some doubts may be very basic and silly. But I request the learned fellow group members to clarify me as and when I post some queries: 1. While considering the Rasi and the Bhava chart, some planetary positions changes in Rasi and Bhava chart. These planets give effects of both the houses. But when a chart is analysed, I dont see anyone cnsidering the bhava chart. Why? 2. I understand that Navamsa is for spouse and should be analysed only for marriage or married life. But even for other analysis also (like finance position) this chart is being used. Why? 3. I heard some of the astrologers suggest to wear blue/black clothes to appease saturn.I find this statement more logical.Should'nt we wear the clothes with the colour that is more liked by the planet ? 4. There are various lagnas being pronounced like bhava lagna,UL,GL,AL and lot more..What are all the types and what does each lagna signify ? 5. Regarding the horoscope software, a lot of astrologers who work manually to get a horoscope often offend the computer generated horoscope. I also see differences in planetary positions for computer generated horoscope and manual one (My own horoscope casted manually and generated by computer differs). Is there any way I can confirm which is authentic ? or which software is authentic ? More doubts to follow... Thanks Arvind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Dear list, As a starter I have lot of curious doubts. Some doubts may be very basic and silly. But I request the learned fellow group members to clarify me as and when I post some queries: 1. While considering the Rasi and the Bhava chart, some planetary positions changes in Rasi and Bhava chart. These planets give effects of both the houses. But when a chart is analysed, I dont see anyone cnsidering the bhava chart. Why? ANSWER: Because Bhava Chart simply does not give the result that is why they do not consider Bhava Chart. Also logically a planet can not give results of two houses those are situated successively. As an example, a planet posited in the 7th house in Rashi Chart and in 6th house in Bhava Chart can not give both results. 7th house is for partnership, joint dealings etc. Now, it also rules marriage, relationship etc. But, WHY? Because marriage and relationship are the most closest and longest partnerships in people's lives. You do not get so close and so involved in any partnership / share dealings in any else partnerships than marriage and relationship. Here you share everything - fmaily, home, kids etc. And since you involve so much and most close possible, the chance of disagreement and fight also becomes high. Simply, if you allow so much freedom to your wife and she does the same, you both will have very less fights. But it is not much possible, because you involve and interfare into each others' lives very much. That is why you will wonder why a friend of you who is so nice as a friend has so much fights in his marriage. It is because that as a friend he does not bother about you / involve in your life so much as he does in his marriage. Now 6th house is the 12th house to the 7th house. 12th house rules losses so 6th house is a loss to all 7th house matters. That is why where 7th house is partnership, that builds up on agreement, mutual friendship and harmony, 6th house rules disagreement, fight, arguments etc. All these are completely against of the 7th house. These are the attributes of the houses that you will have to understand. Generally, 6th lord and house harms the 7th house and marriage to the most. For positions other malefics such as 8th lord, 12th lord etc might join the 7th house / lord and harm it much, but generally 6th lord and house are the most damaging to the 7th. Because as I explained, 6th is the 12th to 7th and is against of all the 7th house matters. 7th is also the house of business. Needless to say, business itself is a joint activity that you are performing with mutual co-operation this way or that way. Now as you see, any "last house" to a particular house will generally oppose the house. That is why a planet, can not, logically and truly, "Be in both houses" or "Give result of two houses by placement". I said, "By placement" because a 6th lord posited in 7th house will offer the result of both houses, that is for lordship and placement. But not for only placement a planet might do so, because it simply can not be in more than one houses in the Rashi Chart :-) Personally I have tried the "Equal house system" a lot, ie the system that keeps the cusp / degree in middle and extends the house to the both sides of it by 15 degrees. It never worked for me. KP also uses a cuspal house system, ie Placidus I guess, this takes the cusp as the starting of the house. But in all my research I have found great result with "Whole sign - whole house" system. All my successful predictions and studies are based on this same way. I have not tried KP house system or KP Ayanamsa yet. But as little I tried to use KP ayanamsa, I prefer to reject it for now. Do some personal research / studies with all the house systems and come to your own conclusion :-) 2. I understand that Navamsa is for spouse and should be analysed only for marriage or married life. But even for other analysis also (like finance position) this chart is being used. Why? ANSWER: Navamsha is also used for general purposes, say strength of planets. A planet fallen in D9 will be weakened to some degree, said by some and I find it true. So D9 is to be considered with D1 and I think this is for we have 9 planets may be? 3. I heard some of the astrologers suggest to wear blue/black clothes to appease saturn.I find this statement more logical.Should'nt we wear the clothes with the colour that is more liked by the planet ? ANSWER: Like is relative. If your father likes you a lot, he will also be much concerned about you. Then he might be strict about you for your studies, say tell you to study much, etc etc. that will not please you for sure. The widely accepted theory for colours / gemstones is that they strengthen or amplify the power of the planet to you. So generally we avoid the colour or gemstone when we try to pacify a planet. However to most, the colour gives very negligible effect. This should be noted but should never be suggested as a sufficient remedy. 4. There are various lagnas being pronounced like bhava lagna,UL,GL,AL and lot more..What are all the types and what does each lagna signify ? ANSWER: UL is for spouse and marriage, GL is for powers, authority and status etc. I personally use only the Janma Lagna [That general one we refer to as Ascendant.] 5. Regarding the horoscope software, a lot of astrologers who work manually to get a horoscope often offend the computer generated horoscope. I also see differences in planetary positions for computer generated horoscope and manual one (My own horoscope casted manually and generated by computer differs). Is there any way I can confirm which is authentic ? or which software is authentic ? ANSWER: If the software is good one, then a manual calculation will be never a match for it. If you manually want to calculate the planetary positions, dashas, D charts etc etc., it will waste a lot of time and it indeed does not make any sense. Jagannatha Hora Lite gives the most accurate planetary positions and you can also use Maitreya's Dream for some advanced calculations like different kinds of Dashas etc. etc. Regards Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Cellular: +88 0189407202 Mail: lord_narayana Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Forum: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Tanvir, Just picking on one of the things you said, just as a note of caution. Please do not take it personally :-) According to the following statement quoted from your posting, a mother (4) would generally be associated with some loss to child (5) and a father would generally indicate some loss to one's work and karma! Beginners should be wary of generalizations like this and relying too much on one factor, one considerations etc. Obviously, no serious jyotishi, including Tanvir, would ever do that when they are actually looking at a chart. I say this because we see a lot of questions like "what does jupiter do in 2nd house?", what happens if sun is in leo, or sun is in leo in sixth house, etc. So, just a word of caution only addressed at the beginners, of course. RR , "Tanvir" <ultimate@s...> wrote: > Now as you see, any "last house" to a particular house will generally oppose the house. That is why a planet, can not, logically and truly, "Be in both houses" or "Give result of two houses by Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Very good questions! Do not be discouraged if you get somewhat conflicting opinions from different individuals in this forum or from other fora (in case this gets cross-posted elsewhere!): 1. Beginners should use simple, more or less black and white techniques. When one is learning a new language, first we need to be able to express and understand, and then add finesse and subtle considerations. Using rashi and houses (bhava-chalita) can be very confusing. Exhaust the whole sign system chart first and then if you run into some situation where this does not serve reality, then explore. Don't start out with a thousand-tool toolkit :-) 2. Navamsha and several other charts (see BPHS) are clearly indicated to serve <general purposes, general indications> and can be used as secondary charts, and not just the specific matter such as D9=spouse/marriage etc) 3. No comment, respecting the general feeling and purpose of other forum members and this forum, in particular. 4. Lots of literature etc exists. Please read caution in item (1) about tool-box. 5. Unless one is perfect, when calculating manually, one risks making errors at different places in the calculations, so it becomes a moving duck-shoot. With software, once the algorithms are in place, errors if any are systematic (occur in the same place or same calculation area) and can be identified and debugged, so are more controllable. Aside from this consideration, there abound many different opinions about specific calculations and software programmers who for the most part are not really very experienced or knowledgeable astrologers (barring a few exceptions) have to go with what is recommended by 'experts'. Unfortuntely, experts do not agree, so some software ends up adding all sorts of options, rather than giving the user only one choice. This makes the program complex and user errors can be common. Software is a great time saver, overall. As far as the routines themselves go for calculating planetary terms, etc. that is one whole other can of worms. Which is better is debatable (JPL routines, vs other 'western' routines, vs indian routines etc.). Then there are side-issues such as parallax corrected moon vs geocentric moon, which sunrise -- one can spend lifetimes going in circles like this. My recommended strategy would be to treat the entire field as experimental/empirical, not form too rigid opinions about what jyotish can or cannot do or how perfect or imperfect it is and to enter the forest with a sense of adventure and some flexibility, at least until you have actually spent enough time experiencing any particular area or issue. Then and then only you must develop a rigid opinion, and even then be prepared to listen to other view-points and take it into consideration. Don't just go with strong statements that sound convincing and attributed to experts. They make mistakes too. In other words, don't take the neon signs for reality or the ultimate truth. Wait for the day to break, when things begin to look different from the neon-lit scene!! Best of luck RR , ArvindRaj <rajendracholan4u> wrote: > Dear list, > > As a starter I have lot of curious doubts. Some doubts may be very basic and silly. But I request the learned fellow group members to clarify me as and when I post some queries: > > 1. While considering the Rasi and the Bhava chart, some planetary positions changes in Rasi and Bhava chart. These planets give effects of both the houses. But when a chart is analysed, I dont see anyone cnsidering the bhava chart. Why? > > 2. I understand that Navamsa is for spouse and should be analysed only for marriage or married life. But even for other analysis also (like finance position) this chart is being used. Why? > > 3. I heard some of the astrologers suggest to wear blue/black clothes to appease saturn.I find this statement more logical.Should'nt we wear the clothes with the colour that is more liked by the planet ? > > 4. There are various lagnas being pronounced like bhava lagna,UL,GL,AL and lot more..What are all the types and what does each lagna signify ? > > 5. Regarding the horoscope software, a lot of astrologers who work manually to get a horoscope often offend the computer generated horoscope. I also see differences in planetary positions for computer generated horoscope and manual one (My own horoscope casted manually and generated by computer differs). Is there any way I can confirm which is authentic ? or which software is authentic ? > > More doubts to follow... > Thanks > Arvind > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2004 Report Share Posted October 2, 2004 Good point :-D We will have to note that a house rules so many things and not only one. That is why, it is not necessarily that we will have to take that only ones "mother" is the loss to his "child". But there are other significations that can interact this way very much. As an example, 4H rules home, comfort etc. Then 5H rules creativity, talent etc. You will see that if you like comfort too much, or try to live a very comfortable life, then you will never be able to use your talent and creativity. So comfort (4H) is a loss (12H) to creativity and talent. (5H) Even if you take examples of mother and kids, then 4H also rules home and residence. 4H is also peace. Then if there is lack of peace or problems in your residential environment, then your kids would suffer the most, probably even more than you! That is why these facts makes the 5H very insecure from 4H because 4H is loss to this 5H. It might appear to you very much that I am trying to establish this in a tricky way. But let us take some common examples, for more ease... Let us take the 2nd house. It rules savings of money. Then 1H / Asc is the loss to it. Asc is self, then how come the self is loss to it, where as self itself might be solely responsible for the bank ballance he made? Actually, for one's self, he continuously has to spend money for his everything, for his life, for his self, that is a big problem is saving money! So to maintain self (1H) one ends up having a less bank ballance (2H) !! We all would have a lot of savings unless we had to spend money for our selves and our lives!!! So self is a loss to save money!!! Take the 9H and 10H. They join and form a Raja Yoga, so it appears impossible that 9H is a loss to 10H. But it is, if you see closely. 9H is called Dharma Bhava (religion) and 10H is Karma Bhava (career, profession). Now this is a matter of common sense that if you obey your religion too much then your career will have a back seat. Marriage, relationship, family - nothing can obstruct the profession so much as obeying a religion properly would do !!! 10th is also action, activities. 9th is fortune, upliftment in life, living standard. Now if one becomes very rich and maintains a living standard, clearly he will do less activities than a typical person! That is what we see, big business tycoons, presidents, ministers "work" a lot but they all do mental works and not physical activities. Many cases riches make people idle, comfort loving, lowers down his activities. There can be so much examples. Mother and properties are at loss for siblings in general because mother's attention divides so do the properties. Courage is a loss for peace because a couragious guy involves in problems and challenges quickly that makes him restless and peaceless. I take 10H for father bec it is the 7H (husband / lover / partner) to mother, and I always get good result with the 10th than the 9th. 6H is for maternal uncles bec it is the 3H to 4H. So I am very firm that this Bhavat Bhavam is ALL OVER THE CHART and is very much involved. Yes, one should not take them literally always. But the factors interact with each other very much like this. I once addicted to chess and still like to play, though have not been playing since 2000. There is saying that when a person moves a piece in the chess board, then with his move he might attack you somewhere, he might gain more control somewhere, but do not forget that with his move he moves the piece from former position and in the former position the piece was playing some role that it NO LONGER PLAYS. It does not protect those areas anymore now as it was doing. So even though the opponent is attacking you with a move, he is also giving you an opportunity same while. I must LEAVE Bangladesh if I go to India :-D Chart is all the same. Same no. of planets, same no. of houses and signs in all the charts. As simply all chess boards consist of 64 squares. Same rules apply. A planet does not matter how much benefic it is, will be more or less negative about some other area of life. Nothing is a pure benefic at all :-D By the way I find good result with structures like "Ju in 2nd does such such" BUT it has to do with the planets aspecting and joining etc., also lordships... and thus the condition of "Ju in 2nd" extends to "Ju in 2nd aspected by Sa the 4th lord" and gets us to more accuracy. But "Ju in 2nd" has to be kept in mind :-) Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Cellular: +88 0189407202 Mail: lord_narayana Website: http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Forum: - rohiniranjan Saturday, October 02, 2004 8:09 PM Re: Doubts Tanvir, Just picking on one of the things you said, just as a note of caution. Please do not take it personally :-) According to the following statement quoted from your posting, a mother (4) would generally be associated with some loss to child (5) and a father would generally indicate some loss to one's work and karma! Beginners should be wary of generalizations like this and relying too much on one factor, one considerations etc. Obviously, no serious jyotishi, including Tanvir, would ever do that when they are actually looking at a chart. I say this because we see a lot of questions like "what does jupiter do in 2nd house?", what happens if sun is in leo, or sun is in leo in sixth house, etc. So, just a word of caution only addressed at the beginners, of course. 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