Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Dear Mr. Inder, You said that "Human population has grown from one billion to six billion in last 100 years. That means about 500 billions first time created indivisuals without any merits/demerits accrued from the past." But that is not so.. It is clearly written in Geeta that after many births soul takes birth in human form. That means those 500 million people were something else, Any creature of the world.They might have been some fish, or may be dianasaur who knows. There are many creature whose species destroyed all together. They used to be part of this world but they are now nomore. YOu count that human population increased from 1 billion to 6 billion. But did u ever count all the population of whole world? It is impossible to count all. So all those 500 million people also have their past and according to their past life karma, they have taken birth as human being and according to this birth karma they will either go back to another creature, human being again or go back to god. Thanks and regards, Hetul Patel http://thinkpositive2003.50megs.com _____________ , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Good thoughts, > > Just an inclusion of mine though ... it's not that you > should not have karma phal in your mind .. it is that > you should not be attached to whatever phal you get .. > the result should be accepted without resentment ... > > If there is no karma phal in focus then there is no > karma that you can do !! .. even in mahabharata every > event and in many cases Sri krishnas directions > themselves are indicative to this .. > > However there are many questions that linger in my > mind ... one of them is, at the start of the war > Krishna gives gita upadesh to Arjun where in he > relates the truth of circumstances that a person has > to live in ... one of the questions that comes to me > is .. "Why is it that Arjun who got this wisdom from > the Krishna himself was still attached to the death of > his son abhimanyu?" I mean he was so grief stricken > that he took a vow to kill the person involved by > sunset the next day ... how can this action show > divine wisdom? the premise being that Arjun got ready > to kill his knith and kin after the upadesa? to me > this has many implications !! > > Manoshi, Karma invaribaly has karma phal ... in the > example that you gave .. should you turn back to > astrology it will tell u that so and so planet caused > the dealy in results ,... which turns back to planet > has given what you should experience at that stage ... > which turns back to the seed being in your own past > actions ... > The point to note here is it's really no ones fault > that you lost your paper or spilled ur ink onto ur > answer papers .. at the same time it is probably that > this event traces back to ur own past events in non > linear time ... > > Cause and effect can so easily be identified when they > appear in linear time .. like if you study hard you > get good marks it;s not a surprise ... it's not > difficult to correlate .. what is difficult to > correlate is events that happen in non linear times > from the point of view of consciousness ... actually > it probably is unnecessary to worry abotu them maybe > > > Again all this is my arm chair philosophy to try and > understand what I get as input to my mind ... I should > however remember to gaurd against over analyzing > things ... ultimately after allll the muck u > understand that the best way to cater to karma is just > live your life in a simple and fair manner .. which is > what you have been saying to begin with ... but I > somehow believe that you should follow somehting that > feels right to you and at the same time you should > have an understanding of all view points .. that;s > when tolerance comes !! > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > In Gita, Lord Shri Krishna said that karma and not > > phal is what one > > must focus on. So, your path is certainly ideal > > (karma and not karma- > > phal) however, for most ordinary people, efforts > > rarely become doable > > without a goal or phal. How many have really ever > > studied something > > just for the heck of it and without goals such as > > 'knowing' > > or "occupational promises" etc in mind? > > > > So, realistically, there will most often be some > > visions of the phal > > that would motivate us to do the hard work (karma). > > And, there is > > nothing wrong with having a phal in mind while doing > > karma, because, > > the real important thing is doing karma and > > continuing to do karma. > > If phal becomes the incentive, sure it is not the > > ideal way, but > > better than inactivity! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > Chatterjee" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma > > phal.for an example, > > > if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY > > or are supposed to > > > get good marks but if the papers are lost or and > > your result is > > > withheld or you fail then is it your past karma > > phal....? So I > > > belive in "do your karma, dont think of the > > results." > > > I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who > > knows what is there > > > in future for me, as RR said experince can change > > a persons > > > outlook :-) > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Inder, > > > > > > > > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the > > same > > > > question a couple of months ago .. different > > issue > > > > that no one answered ! > > > > > > > > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to > > my mind > > > > .. there are millions of other species which are > > > > correspondingly being reduced with increase in > > human > > > > population ... can this be one point to think > > about? > > > > > > > > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to > > accept > > > > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept > > > > rebirth because in one single life you dont > > experience > > > > all that you should be experiencing by your > > actions .. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major > > > > > course of our life. > > > > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every > > thing > > > > > goes right and > > > > > you get every thing. When you are running a > > bad > > > > > period , even your > > > > > best friends would cause some harm to you and > > you > > > > > are physically and > > > > > emotionally drained. We can see this through > > > > > Astrolgy. > > > > > > > > > > But the things which comes to my mind again > > and > > > > > again is whether the > > > > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are > > the > > > > > results of our > > > > > actions in previous births] is authentic or > > bogus. > > > > > > > > > > Human population has grown from one billion to > > six > > > > > billion in last > > > > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first > > time > > > > > created > > > > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits > > accrued from > > > > > the past. > > > > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to > > them > > > > > ?! > > > > > > > > > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by > > random. In > > > > > the expanding > > > > > universe small particles like our lives are > > created > > > > > with some random > > > > > selection. There may be some > > rules/nature/divinity > > > > > in such > > > > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma. > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have > > to > > > > > accept the life as > > > > > it comes. Life may be emerging out of > > nothingness > > > > > only to go back > > > > > into nothingness after brief earthy sojourn. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > - In , > > "Manoshi > > > > > Chatterjee" > > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you write this article? Amazing! Very > > > > > beautiful. But as you > > > > > have > > > > > > said "but you are just experiencing > > > > > > > everything according to the karma you have > > > > > performed > > > > > > > in your past births" > > > > > > I am not a believer of past birth etc. Yes I > > do > > > > > believe that what > > > > > > has to happen will and there is definitely > > > > > something called > > > > > destiny > > > > > > which can be revealed by this amazing "...." > > > > > called astrology (we > > > > > > get proofs everyday) but as you said God > > doesnt > > > > > help always...well > > > > > > or remedies dont work :-) it gives us mental > > > > > strength but then > > > > > when > > > > > > remedies fail we say God does not exist or > > God > > > > > exists but its our > > > > > > karma phal which we have to bear etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your quote > > > > > > what cannot happen can never happen > > > > > > which is mine is forever mine > > > > > > > > > > > > is so true.... > > > > > > > > > > > > So lets accept what life has to offer > > us...be it > > > > > sorrow or > > > > > > happiness...there is no other option :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > sneh > > > > > > Manoshi Di > > > > > > -- In , > > brijesh > > > > > bagga > > > > > <brij731> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Its a beautiful article to show you > > rself > > > > > standing > > > > > > > in front of the mirror describing the > > whole > > > > > story of > > > > > > > ones life as decided by the planets. What > > > > > learned > > > > > > > people believe is--- To be born in this > > world is > > > > > > > itself a misfortune. > > > > > > > Brijesh > > > > > > > --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote: > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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