Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Tanvir, I am no expert atall on religion. Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of cliche'. What I meant to say that if you believe in astrology or not, or you believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast variety of views are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where you can have freedom to expand.[ 5th house] What you say is code of conduct for day to day living. Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many sects or groups within Hinduism. The code of conduct which Islam provides is of very high order. Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a DIVINE concept. These code of conducts are good for disciplined and healthy living. But the problem with these code of of conducts are that they need revisions with passage of time. But the owners of these code of conduct would not like changes which threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house syndrome] So eventhough they use mordern day things[electronic etc] for consumption, but certain things are made so sacrosanct that one would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not allowed/ this is not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have to depend on their interpretation. When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be true or not, it is not threatening Hinduism in any way. I hope I coveyed my point of view. Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I hope I do not hurt anyone by the following post, or rattle any cages unnecessarily ... To me the fact that there are so many religions with some common messages but more or less very different details and rituals, and norms indicates that they are different ways of looking at the glittering (hopefully one and one only) Celestial, Cosmic, Diamond. The fact the views are different is because the diamond is multidimensional but human communication, and indeed perception is limited in dimensions. Human perception has more dimensions than human expression does. Therefore, some individuals state that 'it' (the truth) must be experienced and not possible to fully describe. Each nugget of truth (religion) has been coloured somewhat by the desh, kal, paristhiti it arose in (even when it was divinely revealed). The 'message' had eternal elements but was also topical and addressed the time-period it was revealed in. Each subsequent branch of religion had its reasons, its social necessity and the message changed a bit. People confused the difference, somewhat simplistically, to mean that their truth was the only one and all earlier versions were false. Lots of babies got thrown out with some bathwater, literally! Today, religion has began to have an individualistic reference or meaning. The society is less rigid in many ways (not all segments of society, though, alas!) and this has its good and bad points, obviously. Rituals have been diminishing in their importance over time and few ancient religions actually allow different viewpoints, different perspectives and recommendations for following a more-encompassing and somewhat flexible form of practicing religion. Particularly, the spiritual practices that are recommended and endorsed (?) by the religion. RR , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > I am no expert atall on religion. > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of cliche'. > > What I meant to say that if you believe in astrology or not, or you > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast variety of views > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where you can have > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day living. > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many sects or groups > within Hinduism. > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of very high order. > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a DIVINE concept. > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined and healthy living. > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are that they need > revisions with passage of time. > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not like changes which > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house syndrome] > > So eventhough they use mordern day things[electronic etc] for > consumption, but certain things are made so sacrosanct that one > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not allowed/ this is > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have to depend on > their interpretation. > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be true or not, it is > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 a slice of an earlier realization pasted, hopefully, for your pleasure, Inder: ENIGMA -------------------------- BY Rohiniranjan ========================== Why must divinity, always -- be confined within human bounds of birth and death, pain and suffering, everytime It must come to teach us, the power of LOVE? Jesus, Krishna, Rama and Buddha ... Why we humans are so privileged, that His essence may only reach us within confines of mortal flesh to spread His Light, we seek so hard?? And why do we need to be reminded, so often and with such force? That we are all ... every single one of us, children of that very same GOD? Why must those who CAN love so well, pass more tests than those who won't? Why must the lotus grow in a bed of filth? Why must a rose, the symbol of love ... wear always its mantle of thorns?? ============================================ RR , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > I am no expert atall on religion. > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of cliche'. > > What I meant to say that if you believe in astrology or not, or you > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast variety of views > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where you can have > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day living. > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many sects or groups > within Hinduism. > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of very high order. > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a DIVINE concept. > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined and healthy living. > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are that they need > revisions with passage of time. > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not like changes which > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house syndrome] > > So eventhough they use mordern day things[electronic etc] for > consumption, but certain things are made so sacrosanct that one > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not allowed/ this is > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have to depend on > their interpretation. > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be true or not, it is > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I for one, strongly believe the values taught by religion is more important than the rituals. Mikey --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > I hope I do not hurt anyone by the following post, > or rattle any > cages unnecessarily ... > > To me the fact that there are so many religions with > some common > messages but more or less very different details and > rituals, and > norms indicates that they are different ways of > looking at the > glittering (hopefully one and one only) Celestial, > Cosmic, Diamond. > The fact the views are different is because the > diamond is > multidimensional but human communication, and indeed > perception is > limited in dimensions. Human perception has more > dimensions than > human expression does. Therefore, some individuals > state that 'it' > (the truth) must be experienced and not possible to > fully describe. > Each nugget of truth (religion) has been coloured > somewhat by the > desh, kal, paristhiti it arose in (even when it was > divinely > revealed). The 'message' had eternal elements but > was also topical > and addressed the time-period it was revealed in. > Each subsequent > branch of religion had its reasons, its social > necessity and the > message changed a bit. People confused the > difference, somewhat > simplistically, to mean that their truth was the > only one and all > earlier versions were false. Lots of babies got > thrown out with some > bathwater, literally! > > Today, religion has began to have an individualistic > reference or > meaning. The society is less rigid in many ways (not > all segments of > society, though, alas!) and this has its good and > bad points, > obviously. > > Rituals have been diminishing in their importance > over time and few > ancient religions actually allow different > viewpoints, different > perspectives and recommendations for following a > more-encompassing > and somewhat flexible form of practicing religion. > Particularly, the > spiritual practices that are recommended and > endorsed (?) by the > religion. > > RR > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > I am no expert atall on religion. > > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of > cliche'. > > > > What I meant to say that if you believe in > astrology or not, or you > > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast > variety of views > > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where > you can have > > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day > living. > > > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many > sects or groups > > within Hinduism. > > > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of > very high order. > > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a > DIVINE concept. > > > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined > and healthy living. > > > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are > that they need > > revisions with passage of time. > > > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not > like changes > which > > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house > syndrome] > > > > So eventhough they use mordern day > things[electronic etc] for > > consumption, but certain things are made so > sacrosanct that one > > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not > allowed/ this is > > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have > to depend on > > their interpretation. > > > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be > true or not, it > is > > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > > > Inder > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Yes, but before one gets Ph.D. one has to go through long years of grade school, college, university, etc :-) Happy graduation! RR , michael tee eng hui <mteh1> wrote: > I for one, strongly believe the values taught by > religion is more important than the rituals. > > Mikey > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > I hope I do not hurt anyone by the following post, > > or rattle any > > cages unnecessarily ... > > > > To me the fact that there are so many religions with > > some common > > messages but more or less very different details and > > rituals, and > > norms indicates that they are different ways of > > looking at the > > glittering (hopefully one and one only) Celestial, > > Cosmic, Diamond. > > The fact the views are different is because the > > diamond is > > multidimensional but human communication, and indeed > > perception is > > limited in dimensions. Human perception has more > > dimensions than > > human expression does. Therefore, some individuals > > state that 'it' > > (the truth) must be experienced and not possible to > > fully describe. > > Each nugget of truth (religion) has been coloured > > somewhat by the > > desh, kal, paristhiti it arose in (even when it was > > divinely > > revealed). The 'message' had eternal elements but > > was also topical > > and addressed the time-period it was revealed in. > > Each subsequent > > branch of religion had its reasons, its social > > necessity and the > > message changed a bit. People confused the > > difference, somewhat > > simplistically, to mean that their truth was the > > only one and all > > earlier versions were false. Lots of babies got > > thrown out with some > > bathwater, literally! > > > > Today, religion has began to have an individualistic > > reference or > > meaning. The society is less rigid in many ways (not > > all segments of > > society, though, alas!) and this has its good and > > bad points, > > obviously. > > > > Rituals have been diminishing in their importance > > over time and few > > ancient religions actually allow different > > viewpoints, different > > perspectives and recommendations for following a > > more-encompassing > > and somewhat flexible form of practicing religion. > > Particularly, the > > spiritual practices that are recommended and > > endorsed (?) by the > > religion. > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > I am no expert atall on religion. > > > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of > > cliche'. > > > > > > What I meant to say that if you believe in > > astrology or not, or you > > > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast > > variety of views > > > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where > > you can have > > > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > > > > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day > > living. > > > > > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many > > sects or groups > > > within Hinduism. > > > > > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of > > very high order. > > > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a > > DIVINE concept. > > > > > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined > > and healthy living. > > > > > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are > > that they need > > > revisions with passage of time. > > > > > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not > > like changes > > which > > > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house > > syndrome] > > > > > > So eventhough they use mordern day > > things[electronic etc] for > > > consumption, but certain things are made so > > sacrosanct that one > > > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not > > allowed/ this is > > > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have > > to depend on > > > their interpretation. > > > > > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be > > true or not, it > > is > > > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > > > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 How true! Rituals were designed with most of us, who strongly identify with the gross body, in mind. They allow us to do something concrete with the body and mind while still hastening our spiritual progress; rituals are tools which, ultimately, are designed to allow us to transcend their physical nature and render us fit for more esoteric practices of an advanced nature. - Vikram. , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Yes, but before one gets Ph.D. one has to go through long years of > grade school, college, university, etc :-) > > Happy graduation! > > RR > > , michael tee eng hui > <mteh1> wrote: > > I for one, strongly believe the values taught by > > religion is more important than the rituals. > > > > Mikey > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > I hope I do not hurt anyone by the following post, > > > or rattle any > > > cages unnecessarily ... > > > > > > To me the fact that there are so many religions with > > > some common > > > messages but more or less very different details and > > > rituals, and > > > norms indicates that they are different ways of > > > looking at the > > > glittering (hopefully one and one only) Celestial, > > > Cosmic, Diamond. > > > The fact the views are different is because the > > > diamond is > > > multidimensional but human communication, and indeed > > > perception is > > > limited in dimensions. Human perception has more > > > dimensions than > > > human expression does. Therefore, some individuals > > > state that 'it' > > > (the truth) must be experienced and not possible to > > > fully describe. > > > Each nugget of truth (religion) has been coloured > > > somewhat by the > > > desh, kal, paristhiti it arose in (even when it was > > > divinely > > > revealed). The 'message' had eternal elements but > > > was also topical > > > and addressed the time-period it was revealed in. > > > Each subsequent > > > branch of religion had its reasons, its social > > > necessity and the > > > message changed a bit. People confused the > > > difference, somewhat > > > simplistically, to mean that their truth was the > > > only one and all > > > earlier versions were false. Lots of babies got > > > thrown out with some > > > bathwater, literally! > > > > > > Today, religion has began to have an individualistic > > > reference or > > > meaning. The society is less rigid in many ways (not > > > all segments of > > > society, though, alas!) and this has its good and > > > bad points, > > > obviously. > > > > > > Rituals have been diminishing in their importance > > > over time and few > > > ancient religions actually allow different > > > viewpoints, different > > > perspectives and recommendations for following a > > > more-encompassing > > > and somewhat flexible form of practicing religion. > > > Particularly, the > > > spiritual practices that are recommended and > > > endorsed (?) by the > > > religion. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > I am no expert atall on religion. > > > > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of > > > cliche'. > > > > > > > > What I meant to say that if you believe in > > > astrology or not, or you > > > > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast > > > variety of views > > > > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where > > > you can have > > > > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > > > > > > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day > > > living. > > > > > > > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many > > > sects or groups > > > > within Hinduism. > > > > > > > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of > > > very high order. > > > > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a > > > DIVINE concept. > > > > > > > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined > > > and healthy living. > > > > > > > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are > > > that they need > > > > revisions with passage of time. > > > > > > > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not > > > like changes > > > which > > > > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house > > > syndrome] > > > > > > > > So eventhough they use mordern day > > > things[electronic etc] for > > > > consumption, but certain things are made so > > > sacrosanct that one > > > > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not > > > allowed/ this is > > > > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have > > > to depend on > > > > their interpretation. > > > > > > > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be > > > true or not, it > > > is > > > > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > > > > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 I am glad you see it that way! I often hear parents and grandparents getting exasperated with younger generations because of their different taste in music and make comments like "Is this music, babbare!" and the younger generation making a face and tuning out when their parents play their classical music or whatever! Both generations forget that it is really about the 'enjoyment' that probably both enjoy equally, though from different sources of expression! Many 'modern' music lovers have turned to more classical tastes in music and vice versa is true as well. What would be painful is if a music lover suddenly begins to get enjoyment out of the harsh rhythm of bullets flying ...! RR , "Vikram" <vadravid@h...> wrote: > How true! Rituals were designed with most of us, who strongly identify > with the gross body, in mind. They allow us to do something concrete > with the body and mind while still hastening our spiritual progress; > rituals are tools which, ultimately, are designed to allow us to > transcend their physical nature and render us fit for more esoteric > practices of an advanced nature. > > - Vikram. > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Yes, but before one gets Ph.D. one has to go through long years of > > grade school, college, university, etc :-) > > > > Happy graduation! > > > > RR > > > > , michael tee eng hui > > <mteh1> wrote: > > > I for one, strongly believe the values taught by > > > religion is more important than the rituals. > > > > > > Mikey > > > > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > > > > > > > I hope I do not hurt anyone by the following post, > > > > or rattle any > > > > cages unnecessarily ... > > > > > > > > To me the fact that there are so many religions with > > > > some common > > > > messages but more or less very different details and > > > > rituals, and > > > > norms indicates that they are different ways of > > > > looking at the > > > > glittering (hopefully one and one only) Celestial, > > > > Cosmic, Diamond. > > > > The fact the views are different is because the > > > > diamond is > > > > multidimensional but human communication, and indeed > > > > perception is > > > > limited in dimensions. Human perception has more > > > > dimensions than > > > > human expression does. Therefore, some individuals > > > > state that 'it' > > > > (the truth) must be experienced and not possible to > > > > fully describe. > > > > Each nugget of truth (religion) has been coloured > > > > somewhat by the > > > > desh, kal, paristhiti it arose in (even when it was > > > > divinely > > > > revealed). The 'message' had eternal elements but > > > > was also topical > > > > and addressed the time-period it was revealed in. > > > > Each subsequent > > > > branch of religion had its reasons, its social > > > > necessity and the > > > > message changed a bit. People confused the > > > > difference, somewhat > > > > simplistically, to mean that their truth was the > > > > only one and all > > > > earlier versions were false. Lots of babies got > > > > thrown out with some > > > > bathwater, literally! > > > > > > > > Today, religion has began to have an individualistic > > > > reference or > > > > meaning. The society is less rigid in many ways (not > > > > all segments of > > > > society, though, alas!) and this has its good and > > > > bad points, > > > > obviously. > > > > > > > > Rituals have been diminishing in their importance > > > > over time and few > > > > ancient religions actually allow different > > > > viewpoints, different > > > > perspectives and recommendations for following a > > > > more-encompassing > > > > and somewhat flexible form of practicing religion. > > > > Particularly, the > > > > spiritual practices that are recommended and > > > > endorsed (?) by the > > > > religion. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > I am no expert atall on religion. > > > > > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of > > > > cliche'. > > > > > > > > > > What I meant to say that if you believe in > > > > astrology or not, or you > > > > > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast > > > > variety of views > > > > > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where > > > > you can have > > > > > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > > > > > > > > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day > > > > living. > > > > > > > > > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many > > > > sects or groups > > > > > within Hinduism. > > > > > > > > > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of > > > > very high order. > > > > > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a > > > > DIVINE concept. > > > > > > > > > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined > > > > and healthy living. > > > > > > > > > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are > > > > that they need > > > > > revisions with passage of time. > > > > > > > > > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not > > > > like changes > > > > which > > > > > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house > > > > syndrome] > > > > > > > > > > So eventhough they use mordern day > > > > things[electronic etc] for > > > > > consumption, but certain things are made so > > > > sacrosanct that one > > > > > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not > > > > allowed/ this is > > > > > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have > > > > to depend on > > > > > their interpretation. > > > > > > > > > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be > > > > true or not, it > > > > is > > > > > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > > > > > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2004 Report Share Posted September 30, 2004 Very nice, Rohiniji. Inder - In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > a slice of an earlier realization pasted, hopefully, for your > pleasure, Inder: > > ENIGMA > -------------------------- > BY Rohiniranjan > ========================== > Why must divinity, always -- > be confined within human bounds > of birth and death, > pain and suffering, > everytime It must come to teach us, the power of LOVE? > Jesus, Krishna, Rama and Buddha ... > Why we humans are so privileged, > that His essence may only reach us > within confines of mortal flesh > to spread His Light, we seek so hard?? > And why do we need to be reminded, > so often and with such force? > That we are all ... every single one of us, > children of that very same GOD? > Why must those who CAN love so well, > pass more tests than those who won't? > Why must the lotus grow in a bed of filth? > Why must a rose, the symbol of love ... > wear always its mantle of thorns?? > ============================================ > > RR > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > I am no expert atall on religion. > > Hinduism is a way of life, yes that is a sort of cliche'. > > > > What I meant to say that if you believe in astrology or not, or you > > believe in Geeta or not , you can be Hindu. Vast variety of views > > are part of Hinduism. Sort of democratic way where you can have > > freedom to expand.[ 5th house] > > > > What you say is code of conduct for day to day living. > > > > Yes , these code of conducts are invented in many sects or groups > > within Hinduism. > > > > The code of conduct which Islam provides is of very high order. > > Universal brotherhood concept is in true sence a DIVINE concept. > > > > These code of conducts are good for disciplined and healthy living. > > > > But the problem with these code of of conducts are that they need > > revisions with passage of time. > > > > But the owners of these code of conduct would not like changes > which > > threaten their power or money inflow.[4th house syndrome] > > > > So eventhough they use mordern day things[electronic etc] for > > consumption, but certain things are made so sacrosanct that one > > would feel suffocated for fresh air. [that is not allowed/ this is > > not as per rule etc]. No scope of growth. You have to depend on > > their interpretation. > > > > When I was discussing about theory of Karma to be true or not, it > is > > not threatening Hinduism in any way. > > I hope I coveyed my point of view. > > > > Inder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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