Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Not sure if this is appropriate to post in this astrology forum or not, but hopefully, this makes some sense to a few. Something I wrote in 1993 (with few modifications since): JUSTICE OF (MA) DESTINY by Rohiniranjan As I peer blurry-eyed up towards the heavens I see a shooting star feel its warm, soothing glow as it passes above me taking my soul in its tow. Balls of fire glow as cinders ablaze. Dazed and shaken my wandering eyes meet Ma Destiny's melting gaze She smiles at me, tearfully, tenderness overflowing from her heart as she sees her suffering child trying to take a faltering step and hears the cry that rises to baby lips as the ocean washes its sand-castle away She yearns to hold him in her embrace and drink his pain till he hurts no more; her fingers twitch to wave her magic wand and turn his gloom into a song of joy She moves, arms outstretched, uncontrollably, one step. Then something inside holds her back She thinks of his millions of sibs who went hungry to bed tonight for want of bread who shall dream of blood and war and pain, surviving another night(mare) who may dream no more so great is their dread who know not what 'morrow shall bring or if there'll be one at all! She holds back her tears as ten-year olds die, while helpless parents in horror watch She hurts within her soul, as broken hearts drift farther apart like passing stars. She turns in denial her bleeding, exhausted eyes away only to chance upon a doomed ray of hope and its dying glimmer before it fades away, forever. She wails aloud in helpless frustration as her offsprings curse and blame their Mother for all their pain ungrateful, wretched budlings of hers writhing in their self-imposed stupidity the sand -- every grain of it -- is all still there their castles, though, remain no more. RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Well said ... > > > --- Shad <waterpowers> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, Inder, Manoshi, Surya and all, > > > > this was a very nice posting from Tanvir on karma > > and fate! > > My personal realization in life is that belief in > > God without karma > > and fate doesn't make sense. It would be blind > > belief, a belief > > which says 'if I believe in it, it exists, and if I > > don't believe in > > it, there is nothing'. > > > > A gruesome God who allows the poor children in > > Africa to starve, > > although they did not do anything bad in their > > lives, or children > > who are aborted, before they can really start > > living, as there was > > no way to be guilty or sinful for anything at that > > point, or that > > 13Million people starve on this planet while other > > people live in > > comfort and harmony, such a God is not worth being > > called or > > worshipped as God, if there is no karma or previous > > life. > > > > Such a God let's us life and die, suffer and enjoy > > for His mere > > pleasure, without justice or sense in life. > > This is the cause why atheists do not believe in > > God! If there was a > > God, He would not allow such thing to happen, is > > their basic > > argument. > > > > But God is merciful, He let's us forget our previous > > lifetimes, so > > we can start again from the scratch. We may repeat > > the grade, he > > again and again gives us a new chance. > > > > How would we life if we remembered each detail of > > previous > > activities, good and bad?! Many people can hardly > > life with what > > they have done in this lifetime, what to speak of > > memories from > > other lifetimes?! > > > > Karma is no punishment or reward, it is a school > > which forms our > > consciousness, so that we one day we will be able to > > transcend > > karma, to go beyond karma and guna. > > > > A faster way is described in Bhagvat Geeta, given by > > God Himself, > > Krishna. For me personally it brought much light > > into life, and I am > > sure it can help many many people. No matter from > > which culture, > > religion, race, caste a person might come from. > > > > Karma, the reaction on our activities, forms our > > consciousness as > > long as we will not understand we are not this body > > but a spiritual > > soul on his/her path. It forms us as long as we will > > not understand > > we are not the ones who acts but those who only > > desire - God acts. > > > > As long as we will think we act that long we will > > have to take the > > karma, bad and good. But if we follow the teachings > > of Bhagvat Geeta > > we can act beyond karma and guna, act in akarma, > > without receiving > > material reactions. > > Such acting frees us from karma and leads us to > > self-realization. > > > > Best regards, > > Shad > > > > !om namah sivay! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > Chatterjee" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma > > phal.for an example, > > > if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY > > or are supposed > > to > > > get good marks but if the papers are lost or and > > your result is > > > withheld or you fail then is it your past karma > > phal....? So I > > > belive in "do your karma, dont think of the > > results." > > > I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who > > knows what is there > > > in future for me, as RR said experince can change > > a persons > > > outlook :-) > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > , surya > > vishnubhotla > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > Inder, > > > > > > > > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the > > same > > > > question a couple of months ago .. different > > issue > > > > that no one answered ! > > > > > > > > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to > > my mind > > > > .. there are millions of other species which are > > > > correspondingly being reduced with increase in > > human > > > > population ... can this be one point to think > > about? > > > > > > > > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to > > accept > > > > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept > > > > rebirth because in one single life you dont > > experience > > > > all that you should be experiencing by your > > actions .. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major > > > > > course of our life. > > > > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every > > thing > > > > > goes right and > > > > > you get every thing. When you are running a > > bad > > > > > period , even your > > > > > best friends would cause some harm to you and > > you > > > > > are physically and > > > > > emotionally drained. We can see this through > > > > > Astrolgy. > > > > > > > > > > But the things which comes to my mind again > > and > > > > > again is whether the > > > > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are > > the > > > > > results of our > > > > > actions in previous births] is authentic or > > bogus. > > > > > > > > > > Human population has grown from one billion to > > six > > > > > billion in last > > > > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first > > time > > > > > created > > > > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits > > accrued from > > > > > the past. > > > > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to > > them > > > > > ?! > > > > > > > > > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by > > random. In > > > > > the expanding > > > > > universe small particles like our lives are > > created > > > > > with some random > > > > > selection. There may be some > > rules/nature/divinity > > > > > in such > > > > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma. > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have > > to > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Dear Rohiniji, Very nice, great!! Inder , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Not sure if this is appropriate to post in this astrology forum or > not, but hopefully, this makes some sense to a few. Something I wrote > in 1993 (with few modifications since): > > JUSTICE OF (MA) DESTINY > > by > > Rohiniranjan > > As I peer blurry-eyed up towards the heavens > I see a shooting star > feel its warm, soothing glow as it passes above me > taking my soul in its tow. > Balls of fire glow as cinders ablaze. > Dazed and shaken my wandering eyes > meet Ma Destiny's melting gaze > > She smiles at me, tearfully, tenderness overflowing from her heart > as she sees her suffering child > trying to take a faltering step > and hears the cry that rises to baby lips > as the ocean washes its sand-castle away > > She yearns to hold him in her embrace > and drink his pain till he hurts no more; > her fingers twitch to wave her magic wand > and turn his gloom into a song of joy > She moves, arms outstretched, uncontrollably, one step. > > Then something inside holds her back > She thinks of his millions of sibs > who went hungry to bed tonight for want of bread > who shall dream of blood and war and pain, surviving another > night(mare) > who may dream no more so great is their dread > who know not what 'morrow shall bring > or if there'll be one at all! > > She holds back her tears as ten-year olds die, > while helpless parents in horror watch > She hurts within her soul, as broken hearts > drift farther apart like passing stars. > She turns in denial her bleeding, exhausted eyes away > only to chance upon a doomed ray of hope > and its dying glimmer before it fades away, forever. > > She wails aloud in helpless frustration as her offsprings curse > and blame their Mother for all their pain > ungrateful, wretched budlings of hers > writhing in their self-imposed stupidity > the sand -- every grain of it -- is all still there > their castles, though, remain no more. > > > RR > > , surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Well said ... > > > > > > --- Shad <waterpowers> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir, Inder, Manoshi, Surya and all, > > > > > > this was a very nice posting from Tanvir on karma > > > and fate! > > > My personal realization in life is that belief in > > > God without karma > > > and fate doesn't make sense. It would be blind > > > belief, a belief > > > which says 'if I believe in it, it exists, and if I > > > don't believe in > > > it, there is nothing'. > > > > > > A gruesome God who allows the poor children in > > > Africa to starve, > > > although they did not do anything bad in their > > > lives, or children > > > who are aborted, before they can really start > > > living, as there was > > > no way to be guilty or sinful for anything at that > > > point, or that > > > 13Million people starve on this planet while other > > > people live in > > > comfort and harmony, such a God is not worth being > > > called or > > > worshipped as God, if there is no karma or previous > > > life. > > > > > > Such a God let's us life and die, suffer and enjoy > > > for His mere > > > pleasure, without justice or sense in life. > > > This is the cause why atheists do not believe in > > > God! If there was a > > > God, He would not allow such thing to happen, is > > > their basic > > > argument. > > > > > > But God is merciful, He let's us forget our previous > > > lifetimes, so > > > we can start again from the scratch. We may repeat > > > the grade, he > > > again and again gives us a new chance. > > > > > > How would we life if we remembered each detail of > > > previous > > > activities, good and bad?! Many people can hardly > > > life with what > > > they have done in this lifetime, what to speak of > > > memories from > > > other lifetimes?! > > > > > > Karma is no punishment or reward, it is a school > > > which forms our > > > consciousness, so that we one day we will be able to > > > transcend > > > karma, to go beyond karma and guna. > > > > > > A faster way is described in Bhagvat Geeta, given by > > > God Himself, > > > Krishna. For me personally it brought much light > > > into life, and I am > > > sure it can help many many people. No matter from > > > which culture, > > > religion, race, caste a person might come from. > > > > > > Karma, the reaction on our activities, forms our > > > consciousness as > > > long as we will not understand we are not this body > > > but a spiritual > > > soul on his/her path. It forms us as long as we will > > > not understand > > > we are not the ones who acts but those who only > > > desire - God acts. > > > > > > As long as we will think we act that long we will > > > have to take the > > > karma, bad and good. But if we follow the teachings > > > of Bhagvat Geeta > > > we can act beyond karma and guna, act in akarma, > > > without receiving > > > material reactions. > > > Such acting frees us from karma and leads us to > > > self-realization. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Shad > > > > > > !om namah sivay! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi > > > Chatterjee" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma > > > phal.for an example, > > > > if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY > > > or are supposed > > > to > > > > get good marks but if the papers are lost or and > > > your result is > > > > withheld or you fail then is it your past karma > > > phal....? So I > > > > belive in "do your karma, dont think of the > > > results." > > > > I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who > > > knows what is there > > > > in future for me, as RR said experince can change > > > a persons > > > > outlook :-) > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , surya > > > vishnubhotla > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > > > > Inder, > > > > > > > > > > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the > > > same > > > > > question a couple of months ago .. different > > > issue > > > > > that no one answered ! > > > > > > > > > > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to > > > my mind > > > > > .. there are millions of other species which are > > > > > correspondingly being reduced with increase in > > > human > > > > > population ... can this be one point to think > > > about? > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to > > > accept > > > > > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept > > > > > rebirth because in one single life you dont > > > experience > > > > > all that you should be experiencing by your > > > actions .. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major > > > > > > course of our life. > > > > > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every > > > thing > > > > > > goes right and > > > > > > you get every thing. When you are running a > > > bad > > > > > > period , even your > > > > > > best friends would cause some harm to you and > > > you > > > > > > are physically and > > > > > > emotionally drained. We can see this through > > > > > > Astrolgy. > > > > > > > > > > > > But the things which comes to my mind again > > > and > > > > > > again is whether the > > > > > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are > > > the > > > > > > results of our > > > > > > actions in previous births] is authentic or > > > bogus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Human population has grown from one billion to > > > six > > > > > > billion in last > > > > > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first > > > time > > > > > > created > > > > > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits > > > accrued from > > > > > > the past. > > > > > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to > > > them > > > > > > ?! > > > > > > > > > > > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by > > > random. In > > > > > > the expanding > > > > > > universe small particles like our lives are > > > created > > > > > > with some random > > > > > > selection. There may be some > > > rules/nature/divinity > > > > > > in such > > > > > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma. > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have > > > to > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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