liberation from karma... -> Mark K. - Sep 26, 2004

[Guest guest]

Dear Mark,

 

Well, life isn't fair, but God is : )

 

I can guarantee you the teachings of karma are real! And believe me,

I am no blind believer. Rather a scientific thinker, even an

inventor on the field of quantum physics - blind belief would be

abstract for me.

 

The Bhagvat Geeta in my eyes is one of the best books, with which

one can study and understand the law of karma and its interaction

with the soul. But most important is that you are able to apply and

realize this knowledge in your life here and now. Realized knowledge

about karma is true knowledge.

We may theoretically and logically understand things, but we really

know things only when we have tried it and realized it in our very

lives.

 

The teachings of the Bhagvat Geeta are no myth, poetry or whatsoever

universities and scientists call it – the Geeta is the jewel of

science!

 

The Lord promises Arjuna: `o Arjuna, tell everyone that my devotee

will never fall, he eternally is under my protection.'

Once we take shelter in the protection of the Lord, He guides our

lives. No demi-Gods, karma, planets can harm us as we are protected!

 

If we honestly worship God, chant His names and try to follow His

teachings, living our lives according to those, the Lord will remove

our karma, which might harm us on our way to self-realization.

 

In Vedanta and Siddhanta is says: `The soul, our true self, cannot

be cut by weapons, burned by fire, moisten it with water or dried by

wind.'

 

Krishna on the battlefield spoke to Arjuna, who was afraid to lose

his relatives, beloved family and friends in the war:

 

BG 2.12

na tv evaham jatu nasam

na tvam neme janadhipah

na caiva na bhavisyamah

sarve vayam atah param

 

'Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these

kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.'

 

The Vedas teach us that the law of karma is made out of dualities,

which will never make us happy and that we should try to free

ourselves from karma and perform transcendental activities, which do

not cause karmic reactions. Acting in akarma. Good karma might bring

lot of material luck, but where there is material luck there also is

material suffering.

 

These two are married, such as husband and wife, one cannot separate

them. Where there is one of them, you will find the other one.

 

The true happiness and luck are deep in us. The soul is eternal, ful

of knowledge and bliss. We have to free our true self, the soul,

from karma, than our real nature and happiness will shop up, without

any dualities. And no karma, bad karmic planetary positions can

affect, demigods or demons can hurt or harm us.

 

So, dear Mark, you are right, if no we act properly, in

transcendental manner to the benefit to our soul and our God, no one

can really hurt us, and we are really free, and will never again

experience suffering or misfortune. Because God Himself will protect

us, as He promises in the Bhagvat Geeta.

 

Kind regards,

Shad

 

 

 

Dear Shad:

 

I agree with your words very much.

 

I only want to add one thing.

 

And that is, if it's true that karma or our consequences are what

we're

truely experiencing,

then, not only does that help us,....

 

from not blaming others for our situations....

 

 

If karma is true, and all we experience is due to our own

actions,... from

somewhere in the past....

 

then,.... if karma is true,....then the other side to this

coin,...is that

no one stands in our way!

 

This means that no one can really hurt us, and we are really free to

right

now, beginning a new action, which will be our next futures....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

[Guest guest]

Shad,

 

My question is (I asked in one of my earlier mails) ..

how come Arjuna got Gita upadesa and yet went on to

make silly vows while lamenting for his son Abhimanu's

death? Why could he not realise that the death of

Abhimanu was his own karma and he should not nurse a

grudge? Why was it that Krishna did not protect

Abhimanu becasue he was under the protection of the

lord?

 

The issue is that Krishna himself came down to clean

the earth of the power hungry Kshatriya race .. it

included his own dynasty .. and by the time Krishna

left the planet there were only feeble kings left on

the planet ...

 

The issue then is not that God will put u above karma

if you go to his protection .. the issue is if you

have firm faith in him he will take help you sail

through ur karma and eventually take u higher !

 

According to yoga, neither a jnani nor a bhakt can

surpass karma .. however a yogi can .. and a yogi is

one who has renounced attachment (not possession) ...

 

Just sharing

 

 

--- Shad <waterpowers wrote:

 

> Dear Mark,

>

> Well, life isn't fair, but God is : )

>

> I can guarantee you the teachings of karma are real!

> And believe me,

> I am no blind believer. Rather a scientific thinker,

> even an

> inventor on the field of quantum physics - blind

> belief would be

> abstract for me.

>

> The Bhagvat Geeta in my eyes is one of the best

> books, with which

> one can study and understand the law of karma and

> its interaction

> with the soul. But most important is that you are

> able to apply and

> realize this knowledge in your life here and now.

> Realized knowledge

> about karma is true knowledge.

> We may theoretically and logically understand

> things, but we really

> know things only when we have tried it and realized

> it in our very

> lives.

>

> The teachings of the Bhagvat Geeta are no myth,

> poetry or whatsoever

> universities and scientists call it – the Geeta is

> the jewel of

> science!

>

> The Lord promises Arjuna: `o Arjuna, tell everyone

> that my devotee

> will never fall, he eternally is under my

> protection.'

> Once we take shelter in the protection of the Lord,

> He guides our

> lives. No demi-Gods, karma, planets can harm us as

> we are protected!

>

> If we honestly worship God, chant His names and try

> to follow His

> teachings, living our lives according to those, the

> Lord will remove

> our karma, which might harm us on our way to

> self-realization.

>

> In Vedanta and Siddhanta is says: `The soul, our

> true self, cannot

> be cut by weapons, burned by fire, moisten it with

> water or dried by

> wind.'

>

> Krishna on the battlefield spoke to Arjuna, who was

> afraid to lose

> his relatives, beloved family and friends in the

> war:

>

> BG 2.12

> na tv evaham jatu nasam

> na tvam neme janadhipah

> na caiva na bhavisyamah

> sarve vayam atah param

>

> 'Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor

> you, nor all these

> kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to

> be.'

>

> The Vedas teach us that the law of karma is made out

> of dualities,

> which will never make us happy and that we should

> try to free

> ourselves from karma and perform transcendental

> activities, which do

> not cause karmic reactions. Acting in akarma. Good

> karma might bring

> lot of material luck, but where there is material

> luck there also is

> material suffering.

>

> These two are married, such as husband and wife, one

> cannot separate

> them. Where there is one of them, you will find the

> other one.

>

> The true happiness and luck are deep in us. The soul

> is eternal, ful

> of knowledge and bliss. We have to free our true

> self, the soul,

> from karma, than our real nature and happiness will

> shop up, without

> any dualities. And no karma, bad karmic planetary

> positions can

> affect, demigods or demons can hurt or harm us.

>

> So, dear Mark, you are right, if no we act properly,

> in

> transcendental manner to the benefit to our soul and

> our God, no one

> can really hurt us, and we are really free, and will

> never again

> experience suffering or misfortune. Because God

> Himself will protect

> us, as He promises in the Bhagvat Geeta.

>

> Kind regards,

> Shad

>

>

>

> Dear Shad:

>

> I agree with your words very much.

>

> I only want to add one thing.

>

> And that is, if it's true that karma or our

> consequences are what

> we're

> truely experiencing,

> then, not only does that help us,....

>

> from not blaming others for our situations....

>

>

> If karma is true, and all we experience is due to

> our own

> actions,... from

> somewhere in the past....

>

> then,.... if karma is true,....then the other side

> to this

> coin,...is that

> no one stands in our way!

>

> This means that no one can really hurt us, and we

> are really free to

> right

> now, beginning a new action, which will be our next

> futures....

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>