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Dear Shad:

 

I agree with your words very much.

 

I only want to add one thing.

 

And that is, if it's true that karma or our consequences are what we're

truely experiencing,

then, not only does that help us,....

 

from not blaming others for our situations....

 

 

If karma is true, and all we experience is due to our own actions,... from

somewhere in the past....

 

then,.... if karma is true,....then the other side to this coin,...is that

no one stands in our way!

 

This means that no one can really hurt us, and we are really free to right

now, beginning a new action, which will be our next futures....

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

Mark Kincaid

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Shad" <waterpowers

 

Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:38:44 -0000

 

Re: Life is not fair---Surya

 

 

 

 

Dear Tanvir, Inder, Manoshi, Surya and all,

 

this was a very nice posting from Tanvir on karma and fate!

My personal realization in life is that belief in God without karma

and fate doesn't make sense. It would be blind belief, a belief

which says 'if I believe in it, it exists, and if I don't believe in

it, there is nothing'.

 

A gruesome God who allows the poor children in Africa to starve,

although they did not do anything bad in their lives, or children

who are aborted, before they can really start living, as there was

no way to be guilty or sinful for anything at that point, or that

13Million people starve on this planet while other people live in

comfort and harmony, such a God is not worth being called or

worshipped as God, if there is no karma or previous life.

 

Such a God let's us life and die, suffer and enjoy for His mere

pleasure, without justice or sense in life.

This is the cause why atheists do not believe in God! If there was a

God, He would not allow such thing to happen, is their basic

argument.

 

But God is merciful, He let's us forget our previous lifetimes, so

we can start again from the scratch. We may repeat the grade, he

again and again gives us a new chance.

 

How would we life if we remembered each detail of previous

activities, good and bad?! Many people can hardly life with what

they have done in this lifetime, what to speak of memories from

other lifetimes?!

 

Karma is no punishment or reward, it is a school which forms our

consciousness, so that we one day we will be able to transcend

karma, to go beyond karma and guna.

 

A faster way is described in Bhagvat Geeta, given by God Himself,

Krishna. For me personally it brought much light into life, and I am

sure it can help many many people. No matter from which culture,

religion, race, caste a person might come from.

 

Karma, the reaction on our activities, forms our consciousness as

long as we will not understand we are not this body but a spiritual

soul on his/her path. It forms us as long as we will not understand

we are not the ones who acts but those who only desire - God acts.

 

As long as we will think we act that long we will have to take the

karma, bad and good. But if we follow the teachings of Bhagvat Geeta

we can act beyond karma and guna, act in akarma, without receiving

material reactions.

Such acting frees us from karma and leads us to self-realization.

 

Best regards,

Shad

 

!om namah sivay!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma phal.for an example,

> if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY or are supposed

to

> get good marks but if the papers are lost or and your result is

> withheld or you fail then is it your past karma phal....? So I

> belive in "do your karma, dont think of the results."

> I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who knows what is there

> in future for me, as RR said experince can change a persons

> outlook :-)

>

> --Manoshi

> , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Inder,

> >

> > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the same

> > question a couple of months ago .. different issue

> > that no one answered !

> >

> > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to my mind

> > .. there are millions of other species which are

> > correspondingly being reduced with increase in human

> > population ... can this be one point to think about?

> >

> > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to accept

> > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept

> > rebirth because in one single life you dont experience

> > all that you should be experiencing by your actions ..

> >

> >

> > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear friends,

> > >

> > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major

> > > course of our life.

> > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every thing

> > > goes right and

> > > you get every thing. When you are running a bad

> > > period , even your

> > > best friends would cause some harm to you and you

> > > are physically and

> > > emotionally drained. We can see this through

> > > Astrolgy.

> > >

> > > But the things which comes to my mind again and

> > > again is whether the

> > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are the

> > > results of our

> > > actions in previous births] is authentic or bogus.

> > >

> > > Human population has grown from one billion to six

> > > billion in last

> > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first time

> > > created

> > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits accrued from

> > > the past.

> > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to them

> > > ?!

> > >

> > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by random. In

> > > the expanding

> > > universe small particles like our lives are created

> > > with some random

> > > selection. There may be some rules/nature/divinity

> > > in such

> > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma.

> > >

> > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have to

> > > accept the life as

> > > it comes. Life may be emerging out of nothingness

> > > only to go back

> > > into nothingness after brief earthy sojourn.

> > >

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > - In , "Manoshi

> > > Chatterjee"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Dear Tanvir,

> > > >

> > > > Did you write this article? Amazing! Very

> > > beautiful. But as you

> > > have

> > > > said "but you are just experiencing

> > > > > everything according to the karma you have

> > > performed

> > > > > in your past births"

> > > > I am not a believer of past birth etc. Yes I do

> > > believe that what

> > > > has to happen will and there is definitely

> > > something called

> > > destiny

> > > > which can be revealed by this amazing "...."

> > > called astrology (we

> > > > get proofs everyday) but as you said God doesnt

> > > help always...well

> > > > or remedies dont work :-) it gives us mental

> > > strength but then

> > > when

> > > > remedies fail we say God does not exist or God

> > > exists but its our

> > > > karma phal which we have to bear etc.

> > > >

> > > > Your quote

> > > > what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > which is mine is forever mine

> > > >

> > > > is so true....

> > > >

> > > > So lets accept what life has to offer us...be it

> > > sorrow or

> > > > happiness...there is no other option :-)

> > > >

> > > > sneh

> > > > Manoshi Di

> > > > -- In , brijesh

> > > bagga

> > > <brij731>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Its a beautiful article to show you rself

> > > standing

> > > > > in front of the mirror describing the whole

> > > story of

> > > > > ones life as decided by the planets. What

> > > learned

> > > > > people believe is--- To be born in this world is

> > > > > itself a misfortune.

> > > > > Brijesh

> > > > > --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic

> > > > > > Astrology] in our lives. This is long but if

> > > you

> > > > > > read it taking time, it might be a good use of

> > > your

> > > > > > time!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Life is not fair

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Truly and honestly, when we observe

> > > people's

> > > > > > lives around us, we feel it needed to

> > > acknowledge

> > > > > > that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen

> > > that

> > > > > > complete innocent people suffer for no reason

> > > and

> > > > > > people doing all sort of unfair and immoral

> > > > > > activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is

> > > this

> > > > > > fair? I have seen one's wife who has been

> > > proved to

> > > > > > be most loving and faithful leaves him and his

> > > > > > children for another man and how the husband

> > > > > > destroys him little by little after that, and

> > > it is

> > > > > > very difficult to believe such events even

> > > after

> > > > > > they happen in life. It would be a lot more

> > > > > > difficult to believe if it happens to you or

> > > to

> > > > > > someone close to you. You will question

> > > yourself,

> > > > > > "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me?

> > > Why

> > > > > > this punishment?" You will often wonder if you

> > > are

> > > > > > in an endless dream which is seeming to be

> > > real,

> > > > > > because the reality would be too cruel to be

> > > > > > believed. It will lead you to the condition

> > > where

> > > > > > you will seriously start to doubt if there

> > > exists

> > > > > > someone called God at all. Because if God is

> > > really

> > > > > > there, how can he tolerate all these

> > > unfairness and

> > > > > > punish people for nothing? I have seen a few

> > > people

> > > > > > getting religiously inclined for the pains

> > > life has

> > > > > > given them, but they are very few in number.

> > > Most

> > > > > > people lose all their potentials and destroy

> > > > > > themselves little by little when they are

> > > > > > continuously hurt over and over. Committing

> > > suicides

> > > > > > and getting in to drugs are what we see, but

> > > we

> > > > > > often fail to see the destruction going

> > > inside.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even before getting in to Jyotish I

> > > have

> > > > > > dealt extensively with people's lives, and

> > > that

> > > > > > always led me to the impression that what in

> > > general

> > > > > > we know and believe about life, destiny and

> > > God is

> > > > > > not true, can never be true. There are some

> > > serious

> > > > > > incorrect information about the things we are

> > > taught

> > > > > > from our boyhood, like pray to God he will

> > > listen to

> > > > > > you, do good things God will be kind towards

> > > you,

> > > > > > etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way

> > > we

> > > > > > expect nor bad deeds are punished right away.

> > > I have

> > > > > > dealt with a large number of human lives and

> > > saw

> > > > > > that most of the times the innocent people are

> > > the

> > > > > > victims of the misfortune and problems. This

> > > world

> > > > > > is full of unfairness and full of cruelty.

> > > This

> > > > > > world is a very bad place and everyone is so

> > > > > > selfish. All sort of unfair things are

> > > possible to

> > > > > > happen in anyone's life.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my life a few of the prayers were

> > > > > > answered by the God but a lot were unanswered

> > > same

> > > > > > time, including the most intense and serious

> > > prayers

> > >

> > === message truncated ===

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

 

 

 

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Dear Mark,

 

> This means that no one can really hurt us, and we are really free

>to right

> now, beginning a new action, which will be our next futures....

 

To be really free we schould folow the instructions of sadhus like

this one:

 

 

http://www.haidakhan.net/babaji_eng.php

 

Message from Babaji:

Love and serve all humanity.

Assist everyone.

Be happy, be courteous.

Be a dynamo of irrepressible joy.

Recognize God and goodness in every face.

There is no saint without a past and no sinner without a future.

Praise everyone. If you cannot praise someone, let them out of your

life.

Be original, be inventive.

Be courageous. Take courage again and again.

Do not imitate; be strong, be upright.

Do not lean on the crutches of others.

Think with your own head. Be yourself.

All perfection and every divine virtue are hidden within you. Reveal

them to the world.

Wisdom, too, is already within you. Let it shine forth.

Let the Lord's grace set you free.

Let your life be that of the rose; in silence, it speaks the

language of fragrance.

 

 

I am always with you

Shri Babaji

1984

 

 

OM TAT SAT

warm regards

Shad

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Shad:

>

> I agree with your words very much.

>

> I only want to add one thing.

>

> And that is, if it's true that karma or our consequences are what

we're

> truely experiencing,

> then, not only does that help us,....

>

> from not blaming others for our situations....

>

>

> If karma is true, and all we experience is due to our own

actions,... from

> somewhere in the past....

>

> then,.... if karma is true,....then the other side to this

coin,...is that

> no one stands in our way!

>

> This means that no one can really hurt us, and we are really free

to right

> now, beginning a new action, which will be our next futures....

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

"Shad" <waterpowers>

>

> Sat, 25 Sep 2004 13:38:44 -0000

>

> Re: Life is not fair---Surya

>

>

>

>

> Dear Tanvir, Inder, Manoshi, Surya and all,

>

> this was a very nice posting from Tanvir on karma and fate!

> My personal realization in life is that belief in God without karma

> and fate doesn't make sense. It would be blind belief, a belief

> which says 'if I believe in it, it exists, and if I don't believe

in

> it, there is nothing'.

>

> A gruesome God who allows the poor children in Africa to starve,

> although they did not do anything bad in their lives, or children

> who are aborted, before they can really start living, as there was

> no way to be guilty or sinful for anything at that point, or that

> 13Million people starve on this planet while other people live in

> comfort and harmony, such a God is not worth being called or

> worshipped as God, if there is no karma or previous life.

>

> Such a God let's us life and die, suffer and enjoy for His mere

> pleasure, without justice or sense in life.

> This is the cause why atheists do not believe in God! If there was

a

> God, He would not allow such thing to happen, is their basic

> argument.

>

> But God is merciful, He let's us forget our previous lifetimes, so

> we can start again from the scratch. We may repeat the grade, he

> again and again gives us a new chance.

>

> How would we life if we remembered each detail of previous

> activities, good and bad?! Many people can hardly life with what

> they have done in this lifetime, what to speak of memories from

> other lifetimes?!

>

> Karma is no punishment or reward, it is a school which forms our

> consciousness, so that we one day we will be able to transcend

> karma, to go beyond karma and guna.

>

> A faster way is described in Bhagvat Geeta, given by God Himself,

> Krishna. For me personally it brought much light into life, and I

am

> sure it can help many many people. No matter from which culture,

> religion, race, caste a person might come from.

>

> Karma, the reaction on our activities, forms our consciousness as

> long as we will not understand we are not this body but a spiritual

> soul on his/her path. It forms us as long as we will not understand

> we are not the ones who acts but those who only desire - God acts.

>

> As long as we will think we act that long we will have to take the

> karma, bad and good. But if we follow the teachings of Bhagvat

Geeta

> we can act beyond karma and guna, act in akarma, without receiving

> material reactions.

> Such acting frees us from karma and leads us to self-realization.

>

> Best regards,

> Shad

>

> !om namah sivay!

>

>

>

>

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > well Surya, I believe in Karnma but not karma phal.for an

example,

> > if you prepare well for your exams you GENERALLY or are supposed

> to

> > get good marks but if the papers are lost or and your result is

> > withheld or you fail then is it your past karma phal....? So I

> > belive in "do your karma, dont think of the results."

> > I dont believe in past life or rebirth but who knows what is

there

> > in future for me, as RR said experince can change a persons

> > outlook :-)

> >

> > --Manoshi

> > , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Inder,

> > >

> > > I am not sure if you remember, but I asked the same

> > > question a couple of months ago .. different issue

> > > that no one answered !

> > >

> > > Well, as I kept pondering, one thought came to my mind

> > > .. there are millions of other species which are

> > > correspondingly being reduced with increase in human

> > > population ... can this be one point to think about?

> > >

> > > Manoshi !! .. if you accept karma u have to accept

> > > rebirth .. you cant accept karma and not accept

> > > rebirth because in one single life you dont experience

> > > all that you should be experiencing by your actions ..

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > >

> > > > We see how beautifully Astrology depicts major

> > > > course of our life.

> > > > We live as per our destiny.In good times every thing

> > > > goes right and

> > > > you get every thing. When you are running a bad

> > > > period , even your

> > > > best friends would cause some harm to you and you

> > > > are physically and

> > > > emotionally drained. We can see this through

> > > > Astrolgy.

> > > >

> > > > But the things which comes to my mind again and

> > > > again is whether the

> > > > theory of Karma [our fortune or misfortune are the

> > > > results of our

> > > > actions in previous births] is authentic or bogus.

> > > >

> > > > Human population has grown from one billion to six

> > > > billion in last

> > > > 100 years. That means about 500 billions first time

> > > > created

> > > > indivisuals without any merits/demerits accrued from

> > > > the past.

> > > > How traditional theory of Karma applicable to them

> > > > ?!

> > > >

> > > > I feel that Divine creates each of us by random. In

> > > > the expanding

> > > > universe small particles like our lives are created

> > > > with some random

> > > > selection. There may be some rules/nature/divinity

> > > > in such

> > > > randomness but it should not be law of Karma.

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi must be right in saying that we have to

> > > > accept the life as

> > > > it comes. Life may be emerging out of nothingness

> > > > only to go back

> > > > into nothingness after brief earthy sojourn.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > - In , "Manoshi

> > > > Chatterjee"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Tanvir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Did you write this article? Amazing! Very

> > > > beautiful. But as you

> > > > have

> > > > > said "but you are just experiencing

> > > > > > everything according to the karma you have

> > > > performed

> > > > > > in your past births"

> > > > > I am not a believer of past birth etc. Yes I do

> > > > believe that what

> > > > > has to happen will and there is definitely

> > > > something called

> > > > destiny

> > > > > which can be revealed by this amazing "...."

> > > > called astrology (we

> > > > > get proofs everyday) but as you said God doesnt

> > > > help always...well

> > > > > or remedies dont work :-) it gives us mental

> > > > strength but then

> > > > when

> > > > > remedies fail we say God does not exist or God

> > > > exists but its our

> > > > > karma phal which we have to bear etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Your quote

> > > > > what cannot happen can never happen

> > > > > which is mine is forever mine

> > > > >

> > > > > is so true....

> > > > >

> > > > > So lets accept what life has to offer us...be it

> > > > sorrow or

> > > > > happiness...there is no other option :-)

> > > > >

> > > > > sneh

> > > > > Manoshi Di

> > > > > -- In , brijesh

> > > > bagga

> > > > <brij731>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Its a beautiful article to show you rself

> > > > standing

> > > > > > in front of the mirror describing the whole

> > > > story of

> > > > > > ones life as decided by the planets. What

> > > > learned

> > > > > > people believe is--- To be born in this world is

> > > > > > itself a misfortune.

> > > > > > Brijesh

> > > > > > --- Tanvir <ultimate@s...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > This essay shows the role of astrology [Vedic

> > > > > > > Astrology] in our lives. This is long but if

> > > > you

> > > > > > > read it taking time, it might be a good use of

> > > > your

> > > > > > > time!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Life is not fair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Truly and honestly, when we observe

> > > > people's

> > > > > > > lives around us, we feel it needed to

> > > > acknowledge

> > > > > > > that life is not fair. I have repeatedly seen

> > > > that

> > > > > > > complete innocent people suffer for no reason

> > > > and

> > > > > > > people doing all sort of unfair and immoral

> > > > > > > activities enjoy all sort of happiness. Is

> > > > this

> > > > > > > fair? I have seen one's wife who has been

> > > > proved to

> > > > > > > be most loving and faithful leaves him and his

> > > > > > > children for another man and how the husband

> > > > > > > destroys him little by little after that, and

> > > > it is

> > > > > > > very difficult to believe such events even

> > > > after

> > > > > > > they happen in life. It would be a lot more

> > > > > > > difficult to believe if it happens to you or

> > > > to

> > > > > > > someone close to you. You will question

> > > > yourself,

> > > > > > > "What did I do? Why this had to happen to me?

> > > > Why

> > > > > > > this punishment?" You will often wonder if you

> > > > are

> > > > > > > in an endless dream which is seeming to be

> > > > real,

> > > > > > > because the reality would be too cruel to be

> > > > > > > believed. It will lead you to the condition

> > > > where

> > > > > > > you will seriously start to doubt if there

> > > > exists

> > > > > > > someone called God at all. Because if God is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > there, how can he tolerate all these

> > > > unfairness and

> > > > > > > punish people for nothing? I have seen a few

> > > > people

> > > > > > > getting religiously inclined for the pains

> > > > life has

> > > > > > > given them, but they are very few in number.

> > > > Most

> > > > > > > people lose all their potentials and destroy

> > > > > > > themselves little by little when they are

> > > > > > > continuously hurt over and over. Committing

> > > > suicides

> > > > > > > and getting in to drugs are what we see, but

> > > > we

> > > > > > > often fail to see the destruction going

> > > > inside.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even before getting in to Jyotish I

> > > > have

> > > > > > > dealt extensively with people's lives, and

> > > > that

> > > > > > > always led me to the impression that what in

> > > > general

> > > > > > > we know and believe about life, destiny and

> > > > God is

> > > > > > > not true, can never be true. There are some

> > > > serious

> > > > > > > incorrect information about the things we are

> > > > taught

> > > > > > > from our boyhood, like pray to God he will

> > > > listen to

> > > > > > > you, do good things God will be kind towards

> > > > you,

> > > > > > > etc. etc. Good deeds are not rewarded the way

> > > > we

> > > > > > > expect nor bad deeds are punished right away.

> > > > I have

> > > > > > > dealt with a large number of human lives and

> > > > saw

> > > > > > > that most of the times the innocent people are

> > > > the

> > > > > > > victims of the misfortune and problems. This

> > > > world

> > > > > > > is full of unfairness and full of cruelty.

> > > > This

> > > > > > > world is a very bad place and everyone is so

> > > > > > > selfish. All sort of unfair things are

> > > > possible to

> > > > > > > happen in anyone's life.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In my life a few of the prayers were

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