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Roberto. , "amarpuri2004" <satvac wrote: > > PLEASE PROVIDE THE LINK, IF YOU CAN. > UNABLE TO FIND THE FILE AS POINTED OUT BY YOU IN YOUR POST BELOW. > > THANKS........AMAR PURI > , "robert10889" <robert10889 wrote: > > Mr. VK Choudhary is the astrologer guy from Gurgaon who > was recently indicted by the Federal Trade Commission > and Econsumer US-Government Internet sites for purpoted > fraud, malpractice and misrepresentation with intention > to monetary cheating via the sales of his so-called > miracle "Spiritual Remedy" the Silver Yantra Medallion > called the "Kavach". The details can be seen filed in > the Consumer Sentinel Database with the case file number > being "4882701". > > The Consumer Sentinel Database site is at > http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel > The Econsumer Site is at http://www.econsumer.gov > The Federal Trade Commission Site is at > http://www.ftc.gov > > The fraud and malpractice case filed in the Consumer > Sentinel Database against VK Choudhary and Rajesh > Choudhary(VK Choudhary's son) has the case file > number "4882701". It can be accessed in the Consumer > Sentinel Database at http://www.consumer.gov/sentinel > or at http://www.ftc.gov. > > The email-id for contacting the Consumer Sentinel > Support for confirmation regarding this case or any > other relevant information is sentinel@f... > > A confirmatory mail had already been sent by the FTC to > Choudhary's account siha@v...; hereby informing him > that a case for fraud, malpractice, and misrepresentation > and monetary cheating via the sales of the Silver Yantra > Kavach has been filed against him on the Consumer Sentinel > Database. > > The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity theft > and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel®, > a secure, online database available to hundreds of civil > and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide. Law > enforcement all over the world work together to fight > fraud, using Consumer Sentinel, an innovative, > international law enforcement fraud-fighting program. > Data entered into the law enforcement database is made > available to certified government law enforcement > agencies in participating countries. This kind of > information is used by government agencies to spot new > trends, uncover new scams, and target suspect companies > and individuals for law enforcement actions. > > Roberto > > > > , "monmuk111" > <monmuk111 wrote: > >The author of this post. > > > >I don't know exactly who VK Choudhry is, but I think he > >is the fellow > >who invented Systems Approach. > > > >This is the Jyotish Remedies group. Post your > >slanderous notes on VK > >Choudhry's list. > > >You may have mixed up the Choudhrys. This list belongs > >to Tanvir > >Choudhry located in Bangladesh. VK Choudhry I believe > >is from New > >Delhi. > > > >Mukund > > > >, "astrovedic90" > <astrovedic90 wrote: > > Is BRIBERY a NOBLE Act according to SA? > > > > Dear Prof and List, > > > > Let me start by saying, I was bewildered, and wondered momentarily > > in an utter state of distrust after coming in contact with an > > outlandish answer in your post 32904 > > > > "YES, THERE ARE. THESE WERE ADVISED FOR A FORMER PM AND HE COULD > > COMPLETE HIS FULL TERM IN SPITE OF A MINIORITY GOVT AND HIS > > INVOLVEMENT IN A BRIBERY CASE". > > > > I couldn't believe what I was reading when you said that "you > > indeed aided and abetted the ex-PM of India in BRIBERY and from > > facing JUSTICE". > > > > As I have understood, Bribery is a corrupt practice of inducing a > > person to act contrary to accepted or moral behavior, by promising > > or giving a reward or inducement, often a financial one. I am not > > sure how you, your disciples and SA define this decadent act called > > Bribery. > > > > Prof , shame on you for saying you did what you did and > > that too to say it proudly. For heaven sake, there isn't anything > > to be proud of in helping a criminal. Or do you and your SATVA & > > SAMVA members feel otherwise? Mind you, you actually did such a > > heinous act and I am indeed appalled at your attitude. Even to > think > > of it, it is despicable for a world renowned man like yourself > > claiming to practice perhaps the most noblest of science indulging > > in assisting a criminal to escape the law and face justice via your > > so-called "SPIRITUAL MOMENTOS"! > > > > But do you know what really took me "off guard"? Do you > > really want know, Prof ? It was your subsequent reply > to > > Mr. Steve. You indeed had the audacity to outline the prerequisite > > or qualifications for the Kavach Engraver to Mr. Steve in your post > > 32929 as "THE KAVACH ENGRAVER/PROVIDER SHOULD LEAD DIVINE WAY OF > > LIFE. HE/SHE SHOULD AVOID INDULGENCE IN GREED, LUST, ANGER, VANITY > > AND PRACTICE MEDITATION, GENEROSITY, KINDNESS, PATIENCE, SINCERITY > > AND HONESTY." > > > > Again in your post 32953, you have also reiterated by saying that > > indeed the conduct of the Kavach Makers is paramount to the > efficacy > > of these metal pieces. Moreover, you committed yourself further > into > > the act of aid and abetting the scandalous activity of bribery by > > personally supervising the making of these metal miracles! Indeed > > the law of any land would view you just as it would of the > criminals > > who indulged in the act bribery, no two ways about it, Prof V K > > Choudhry! > > > > Actually to think of it, you really crack me up, Prof V K Choudhry! > > > > Now you tell me, how on earth an individual (Kavach Engraver) > > practicing such discipline, austerities, and piousness as outlined > > by you, could ever help a CRIMINAL (it does not matter if s/he is > > the PM of India or the President of US of A) whose rightful place > > would be the CENTRAL JAIL in New Delhi? How? > > > > You surely seem to possess a skewed sense of logic and religiosity, > > Prof ! This you really do! Go ahead and try convincing > > me otherwise. Also, please teach your "enlightened" members > > how to reconcile both these statements of yours. Could you, Prof V > K > > Choudhry? > > > > The state of having COURAGE and INTEGRITY is not to be found in > your > > moral fabric. Sadly, not at all! Every man who has both these > > qualities owns up or concedes when they fail, they really do! But > > you go on saying this "If you think my prediction is miles away, > > I have no problem". It looks like you have a serious problem > > here. Didn't it occur to you or to your "enlightened" > > members that I was stating a FACT and NOT sharing my thoughts with > > you? Didn't it? Prof you claimed that you predicted > > Mrs. Sonia Gandhi would become the PM of India once and the truth > is > > she DID NOT this time around. Now tell me, what my thinking got to > > do with this glaring FACT? Can you? > > > > Anyway, kindly check with your students who are in the legal > > profession, "what constitutes a criminal offence and how does the > > act of aid and abetting fares in the equation". This you must! > > Perhaps, they would be able to advise you judiciously, if they have > > not yet lost their sense of legality. > > > > Prof , you are a very highly acclaimed and world > > renowned man in the field of astrology. Now, could you please tell > > us all, what is your real motivation? What is it? To make money? To > > SAVE CRIMINALS who are in high office? To Redefine Religiosity? To > > introduce a set of New Human Values for the 21st century? Or to > > teach the noble science of astrology? Now what? > > > > Prof , are you aware of what you are saying, to begin > > with? Are you? Being aware is the first step towards being Self > > Conscious; do you know this Prof ? Whom do you think > you > > are kidding, if not yourself? > > > > Let me tell you this Prof , if the statement in your > > reply (post 32904) is permissible in the courts of law, you could > > indeed end up in jail. Ignorance of the law is no defense in any > > court of law, mind you. For God sake, at least be mindful of the > > legal consequence of what you say even if doesn't make any moral > > sense, will you? > > > > My request to you, please have a real hard look at your thought > > process and kindly revisit the thing called CONSCIENCE. This is > only > > for those who have one! > > > > May God bless you and I hope that the Almighty enables you to clear > > up the "cob webs" that has badly cloaked your SIGHT! I indeed > > wish you luck in this regard! > > > > Awaiting your revolutionary discourse on New Spirituality aka > > BRIBERISM! > > > > Regards. > > > > > > PS. FYKI Prof , BRIBERY, is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE in the > > civilized world and so it has been defined in every country that > has > > a flag to its name. Please tell me if it is otherwise in India, > > okay? Prof , I have appended below the legal definition > > of the act called BRIBERY according to the Criminal Law, for your > > kind attention. The aid and abetting part, kindly check with your > > lawyer friends, okay? > > > > BRIBERY – Criminal Law. > > 1) The receiving or offering any undue reward by or to any person > > whomsoever, whose ordinary profession or business relates to the > > administration of public justice, in order to influence his > > behaviour in office, and to incline him to act contrary to his duty > > and the known rules of honesty and integrity. 3 Inst. 149; 1 Hawk. > > P. C. 67, s. 2 4 Bl. Com.139; 1 Russ. Cr.156. > > 2) The term bribery extends now further, and includes the offence > of > > giving a bribe to many other officers. The offence of the giver and > > of the receiver of the bribe has the same name. For the sake of > > distinction, that of the former, viz: the briber, might be properly > > denominated active. Bribery; while that of the latter, viz: the > > person bribed, might be called passive bribery. > > 3) Bribery at elections for members of parliament, has always been > a > > crime at common law, and punishable by indictment or information. > It > > still remains so in England notwithstanding the stat. 24 Geo. H. c. > > 14 3 Burr. 1340, 1589. To constitute the offence, it is not > > necessary that the person bribed should, in fact, vote as solicited > > to do 3 Burr. 1236; or even that he should have a right to vote at > > all both are entirely immaterial. 3 Bur. 1590-1. > > 4) An attempt to bribe, though unsuccessful, has been holden to be > > criminal, and the offender may be indicted. 2 Dall. 384; 4 Burr. > > 2500 3 Inst. 147; 2 Campb. R. 229; 2 Wash. 88; 1 Virg. Cas. 138; 2 > > Virg. Cas. 460. > > > > > > Post message: satva > > Subscribe: satva- > > Un: satva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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