Mukund horoscope - To Amar, reply if you find time

August 30, 2004

Hello Amar:

Here is something you wrote that I'd like to understand further:

"PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE TO

THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE

MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED."

1) When you say transit Ketu afflicting my Saturn, are you refering

to Ketu's transit through Libra or Scorpio?

2) When you speak about Saturn, is it the Natal Saturn or transit

Saturn that is being afflicted by Ketu?

I'm genuinely tyring to understand your dictum and not setting you up

for another argument. I have nothing against SA. In fact, I've

already told you that I studied SA for a few months and the concepts

didn't work for me so I never went to that board again.

I'm not the type who'd go around bashing/bad-mouthing dictums that I

don't work for me. If something doesn't work for me, I say so and

that's all I say. Also, I don't have a vested financial interest in

bashing other people's Jyotish techniques as I'm not a practicing

professional astrologer who's trying to drum up business.

I'm just a little guy attempting to understand the karmic signatures

in my horoscopes.

Mukund

, "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...>

wrote:

> Hello dear Mukund,

>

> Hare Krishna. I gave you a very short reading FIRST on your chart

as

> confirmed in my message number 9817. Please re-read it again.

>

> Then, you mentioned the problems encountered in the second message

> number 9826 and 9838 to which I replied to whatever you are

stating

> below in your explanation. So, kindly do not put the words in my

> mouth what I did not do.

>

> As far as accuracy is concerned, you did agree to it all. Please

re-

> read the messages again.

>

> Under no circumstances, I am favouring any concept but to the

> accuracy of my reading your chart either you believe it or not.

The

> proof is in the written messages to which any one can read. The

> accuracy of my reading speaks for itself in the messages to which

no

> one can disagree to agree.

>

> Please read my further reply in CAP.letter appended below your

> message.

>

> With my best wishes......... Amar Puri.

>

> , "monmuk111"

> wrote:

> > Hello Amar:

> >

> > You identified my profession in Finance which was exact.

>

> OK>

>

> However,the

> > rest wasn't exact.

>

> DID YOU MAKE A MENTION OF SUCH IN YOUR MESSAGES BUT TO AGREED ALL

THE

> TIME TO MY READING? PLEASE READ AND VERIFY IT.

> >

> > Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic;

> therefore,

> > you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me.

>

> PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

>

> However,

> > this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream come

> > true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family,

> > challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my case

> Rahu

> > didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC.

>

> PLEASE RE-READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> >

> > Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my job,

my

> > wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at all

on

> > this period as a BAD period.

>

> AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY FIRST READING IT WAS ONLY A SHORT

> READING (FIRST MESSAGE) AND I REPLIED TO IT WHEN YOU PUT UP THAT

> QUESTION. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

>

> That is because Saturn is a GREAT

> > BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period.

>

> OFCOURSE, SATURN IS THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER SA WHICH I WROTE

> IN MY MESSAGE. PLEASE READ IT AGAIN.

> >

> > When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it on

Ketu

> > transit rather than Saturn.

>

> IT IS NOT BLAMING KETU. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE IN WHICH I WROTE

THAT

> KETU IS OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES ASPECTING SATURN WHICH ANY

BODY

> CAN SEE AND READ IT FROM YOUR NATAL CHART.

>

> >

> > Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe that

in

> > my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause great

> > distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC.

>

> NEVERTHELESS YOU BELIEVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC. DON'T YOU ? WELL,

> YOU CAN NOT DENY IT..........HA, HA, HA.

>

> IF SO, KETU ASPECTS ON SATURN DURING THE TRANSIT, INDEED, DID

> INFLUENCE THOSE PROBLEMS.

>

> NOW YOU SEE MY POINT, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU ADMITTED IT

> AS PER ABOVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC AND SO IS KETU AND ITS ASPECT ON

> SATURN, CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND, ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IT.

> RIGHT......HA, HA, HA.

>

> PLEASE DO NOT MIND MY LAUGHING BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT.

>

> You under SA system believes

> > the opposite.

>

> MOST OF THE TIME BASED ON ITS PLACEMENT AND ALL THE TIME IN TRANSIT

> IT IS CLASSIFIED AS BEING MALEFIC AS PER SA.

> >

> > I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of functionally

and

> > naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period as

a

> > bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the most

> > benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants.

>

> PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE TO

> THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE

> MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED. I DO NOT KNOW WHY

> YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU READ MY MESSAGE,

> MUKUND.

> >

> > Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll never

> have

> > meeting of minds.

>

> THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, THE HUMAN SPECIES, HAVE TO LEARN

> TO ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

>

> I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and

> > you don't infringe upon mine.

>

> THE EASY WAY IS TO DETACH IT WITH THE SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

>

> As long as we believe in karma and re-

> > birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its form.

>

> I AGREE WITH IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BRAVO..... HA, HA, HA.

>

> PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

> >

> > To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart.

>

> PLEASURE IS ALWAYS MINE.

>

> OM TAT SAT.

>

> HARI BOL....................AMAR PURI.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > , "amarpuri2004"

> <satvac@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir,

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply

as

> > well

> > > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826,

> 9838

> > > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to

> > > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any concept

as

> > > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight

answer

> > to

> > > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified the

> > exact

> > > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the

> > message

> > > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not in

> the

> > > concept, there is nothing I can do.

> > >

> > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to the

> > seeker

> > > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has

any

> > > control over it but the seeker.

> > >

> > > OM TAT SAT.

> > >

> > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri.

> > >

> > > , "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Amar:

> > > >

> > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems

> Approach

> > > (SA)

> > > > to analyze my horoscope.

> > > >

> > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a

great

> > > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great

> malefic.

> > > >

> > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and Rahu

> > > appears

> > > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya, you've

> > > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my

life

> > > during

> > > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to

> > Saturn's

> > > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of

Mars

> > > > rather than transit Ketu.

> > > >

> > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my

> enemies

> > > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign"

> > > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced

> GREAT

> > > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go

hand

> > in

> > > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars-

> Rahu,

> > I

> > > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a

> personal

> > > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc.

> > > >

> > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role than

> > > negative-

> > > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher

> > learning?

> > > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the

> usual

> > > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a

new

> > > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however, my

> > major

> > > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here

> too,

> > > Rahu

> > > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical dictum

> or

> > > Rahu

> > > > in 6th from Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible experiences

> > rather

> > > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph.

> > > >

> > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life

experience

> > > during

> > > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT the

> > > Systems

> > > > Approach dictums.

> > > >

> > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I

neither

> > > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment

> classical

> > > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new

> > dictums

> > > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-

define

> > > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants.

> > > >

> > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter appended

> > below

> > > > > your message.

> > > > >

> > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thank you for the analysis.

> > > > >

> > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is my feedback:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent

most

> of

> > > my

> > > > US

> > > > > > time in San Francisco area.

> > > > >

> > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY

> CLEARLY.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford

> > University

> > > > in

> > > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so changed

> my

> > > > major

> > > > > to

> > > > > > Finance as a cheaper University.

> > > > >

> > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST

> > MALEFIC

> > > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY.

> ALSO,

> > I

> > > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU

> KNOW

> > > HOW.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising

and

> > > > > > consulting.

> > > > >

> > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was the

> 2nd

> > > > worst

> > > > > > period of my life;

> > > > >

> > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE MAIN

> > > PERIOD

> > > > OF

> > > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD GAVE

> YOU

> > > > SOME

> > > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE RAHU

> AND

> > > > KETU.

> > > > >

> > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89)

> > > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic

> experiences.-

> > -

> > > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission

> into

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that I

> > > didn't

> > > > > have

> > > > > > food to eat.

> > > > >

> > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU

> > > (SEPT.89 -

> > > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE AND

> > RAHU

> > > > FROM

> > > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF

FOREIGN

> > > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH

> > > DIFFICULTIES

> > > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems

> > > Approach?

> > > > >

> > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO

ASCENDANT,SATURN

> > > > BECOMES

> > > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET.

> > > > >

> > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life, emotionally

> and

> > > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this period.

> > > > >

> > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF

LOSSES

> > WAS

> > > > VERY

> > > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF

> EMOTIONS)

> > > IN

> > > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE

> > > SECONDARY

> > > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION

> > > DEMONSTRATED

> > > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING POINT

> > > DURING

> > > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic

> Venus

> > as

> > > > > every

> > > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and

enemies

> > > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who

> live

> > in

> > > > > > India) go through a GREAT time.

> > > > >

> > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT

> > WEAKENED

> > > > DUE

> > > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA OF

> > > > JUPITER,

> > > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE TRANSIT

> > > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS, MARS,

> RAHU

> > > AND

> > > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR

> IT.

> > > > >

> > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS

> MARS/MOON

> > > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005

> > > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE

> MALEFICS

> > > AND

> > > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS.

> > > > >

> > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great

> > > personality,a

> > > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my post

to

> > > you.

> > > > > > From

> > > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring

> knowledge,

> > > you

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that

> period.

> > > > > > Ofcourse,

> > > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for pursuing

> your

> > > > > career

> > > > > > > and settle your life there.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial

> field

> > > and

> > > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good

> start

> > > but

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult

> period

> > > > during

> > > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of malefic

> > > > Mars/Sun

> > > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct.,

2004

> > the

> > > > sub

> > > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most

> > Malefic

> > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls

the

> > 2nd

> > > > > house

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most benefic

> > Saturn

> > > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and 5h.

> > > assure

> > > > > you

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > good family and future.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate Rahu,

> > Ketu,

> > > > Mars

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun (old

> > age),

> > > > > Moon

> > > > > > (a

> > > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely

> conjuncted

> > > by

> > > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better

> result.

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your

> > horoscope.

> > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > you like it.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in my

> > > chart.

> > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally

> > unafflicted,

> > > > but

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I

> > consider

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in

> Shukla-

> > > > > > paksha.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house aspect

> > from

> > > > the

> > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my

birts

> > > > details:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through

> > > Badhakesh

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th

lord

> > > > results

> > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > badhak results.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began

badahk

> > and

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th lord/badhak

> > dasa

> > > > > begin,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel NEAR

> > > downtown

> > > > > San

> > > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property

> > development

> > > > > > company

> > > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before

the

> > 9th

> > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone

> pulled

> > a

> > > > gun

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > planets/Badhakesh-

> > > > -

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone

> > through

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord.

> > > Jyotishas

> > > > had

> > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

mahadasa

> > as

> > > it

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned

> success

> > > > during

> > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa."

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR

> > > > HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT

THE

> > MOON

> > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY

TYPE

> OF

> > > > > > > AFFLICTION

> > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL CONCEPT)

> > WHICH

> > > > > > > INDICATES

> > > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO POST

> > YOUR

> > > > > BIRTH

> > > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF

YOU

> SO

> > > > > DESIRE.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make

this

> > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have KSY.

> > Your

> > > > > friend

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than

anything

> > > else

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > his/her

> > > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out

> there

> > > > point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the

> conjuct

> > > > planet

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to

no

> > such

> > > > > > > bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA

> > > discussion

> > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would have

> > asked

> > > me

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish

is

> to

> > > > > closely

> > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique

> > attributes

> > > as

> > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in

> their

> > > > lives.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are

> obessesed

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > quoting

> > > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it is

> for

> > us

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these

dictum

> > > come

> > > > > true

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > > planets/Badhakesh--

> > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone

> > > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord.

> > > > Jyotishas

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

> mahadasa

> > > as

> > > > it

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned

> > success

> > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , "kakan_leo"

> > > > > > > > > <kakan_leo>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting

> > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > conjuncting

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri.

> > > > > > > > > > > One other point.

> > > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you advise

> to

> > > take

> > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to

> > > determine

> > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not?

> > > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of

money

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > > yantra

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is

completely

> > > > > convinced

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the

> > > attitude,

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is

> > damaging.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Nandini.

August 31, 2004

Hello dear Mukund,

Hare Krishna. Actually, I was waiting your phone call as I asked you

to call me if you so desire to discuss further about your horoscope.

Any how, I saw your message to which my reply is appended below your

message in CAP.letter.

Hari Bol...............Amar Puri.

, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Amar:

>

> Here is something you wrote that I'd like to understand further:

>

> "PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE TO

> THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE

> MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED."

>

> 1) When you say transit Ketu afflicting my Saturn, are you refering

> to Ketu's transit through Libra or Scorpio?

L I B R A.

> 2) When you speak about Saturn, is it the Natal Saturn or transit

> Saturn that is being afflicted by Ketu?

TRANSIT SATURN (ONE OF THE KARKA LORD OF THE FAMILY) IN GIMINI OF 8H

OF OBSTRUCTION WHICH BROUGHT DISGRACE, FAMILY PROBLEMS BETWEEN YOU

AND YOUR WIFE BY THE AFFLICTION OF TRANSIT AND NATAL KETU OCCUPYING

THE 12TH HOUSE OF THE MOST MALEFIC LORD VENUS (SIGINIFICATOR OF

SPOUSE YOUR WIFE AND CONJUNCTING JUPITER I.E. YOU AS HUSBAND). IT

LOOKS LIKE YOU DID NOT READ MY MESSAGE CAREFULLY.

>

> I'm genuinely tyring to understand your dictum and not setting you

up

> for another argument. I have nothing against SA.

SA. IS NOT MY CREATION. I WAS ALSO IN A VERY ROUGH AND TOUGH

SITUATION WHEN I CAME ACROSS THIS ONE OF THE ASTROLOGER / ASSOCIATE

FOUNDER OF SA WHO PIN POINTED EXACTLY WHERE WERE THE PROBLEMS WHERE

ALL OTHERS SO CALLED TRANDITIONAL ASTROLOGERS FAILED DUE TO THE

UNACCURACY OF READING IN MY CHART AND BLAMING THE CONCEPT OF MALEFIC

SATURN, KSY AND SO ON (MORE LATER ON THAT IF AND WHEN YOU CALL, I AM

NOT PUTTING ANY CONCEPT DOWN, MIND YOU.)

SINCERELY, I WAS LOOKING FOR A DESPARATE HELP WHICH I FOUND ONLY

THROUGH SA AND AS A RESULT OF IT, I BEGAN TO LEARN MYSELF WITH A VIEW

TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE IN THE SITUATION. ENOUGHT OF IT.

In fact, I've

> already told you that I studied SA for a few months and the

concepts

> didn't work for me so I never went to that board again.

IT IS UP TO YOU TO PURSUE FURTHER AS I DID.

>

> I'm not the type who'd go around bashing/bad-mouthing dictums that

I

> don't work for me. If something doesn't work for me, I say so and

> that's all I say. Also, I don't have a vested financial interest in

> bashing other people's Jyotish techniques as I'm not a practicing

> professional astrologer who's trying to drum up business.

I UNDERSTAND AND FELT THAT YOU ARE GENUINE PERSON SEEKING ANSWER TO

THE PROBLEMS. THAT IS WHY I TOOK THIS CHALLENGE TO FIND HELP FOR YOU

AND GIVE YOU THE SERVICE.

>

> I'm just a little guy attempting to understand the karmic

signatures

> in my horoscopes.

LET US DISCUSS. MORE LATER.

>

> Mukund

OM TAT SAT.

WITH BEST WISHES....................AMAR PURI.

>

> , "amarpuri2004"

<satvac@h...>

> wrote:

> > Hello dear Mukund,

> >

> > Hare Krishna. I gave you a very short reading FIRST on your chart

> as

> > confirmed in my message number 9817. Please re-read it again.

> >

> > Then, you mentioned the problems encountered in the second

message

> > number 9826 and 9838 to which I replied to whatever you are

> stating

> > below in your explanation. So, kindly do not put the words in my

> > mouth what I did not do.

> >

> > As far as accuracy is concerned, you did agree to it all. Please

> re-

> > read the messages again.

> >

> > Under no circumstances, I am favouring any concept but to the

> > accuracy of my reading your chart either you believe it or not.

> The

> > proof is in the written messages to which any one can read. The

> > accuracy of my reading speaks for itself in the messages to which

> no

> > one can disagree to agree.

> >

> > Please read my further reply in CAP.letter appended below your

> > message.

> >

> > With my best wishes......... Amar Puri.

> >

> > , "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Amar:

> > >

> > > You identified my profession in Finance which was exact.

> >

> > OK>

> >

> > However,the

> > > rest wasn't exact.

> >

> > DID YOU MAKE A MENTION OF SUCH IN YOUR MESSAGES BUT TO AGREED ALL

> THE

> > TIME TO MY READING? PLEASE READ AND VERIFY IT.

> > >

> > > Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic;

> > therefore,

> > > you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me.

> >

> > PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> >

> > However,

> > > this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream

come

> > > true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family,

> > > challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my case

> > Rahu

> > > didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC.

> >

> > PLEASE RE-READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> > >

> > > Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my

job,

> my

> > > wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at

all

> on

> > > this period as a BAD period.

> >

> > AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY FIRST READING IT WAS ONLY A SHORT

> > READING (FIRST MESSAGE) AND I REPLIED TO IT WHEN YOU PUT UP THAT

> > QUESTION. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> >

> > That is because Saturn is a GREAT

> > > BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period.

> >

> > OFCOURSE, SATURN IS THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER SA WHICH I

WROTE

> > IN MY MESSAGE. PLEASE READ IT AGAIN.

> > >

> > > When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it on

> Ketu

> > > transit rather than Saturn.

> >

> > IT IS NOT BLAMING KETU. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE IN WHICH I WROTE

> THAT

> > KETU IS OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES ASPECTING SATURN WHICH ANY

> BODY

> > CAN SEE AND READ IT FROM YOUR NATAL CHART.

> >

> > >

> > > Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe

that

> in

> > > my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause

great

> > > distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC.

> >

> > NEVERTHELESS YOU BELIEVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC. DON'T YOU ?

WELL,

> > YOU CAN NOT DENY IT..........HA, HA, HA.

> >

> > IF SO, KETU ASPECTS ON SATURN DURING THE TRANSIT, INDEED, DID

> > INFLUENCE THOSE PROBLEMS.

> >

> > NOW YOU SEE MY POINT, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU ADMITTED

IT

> > AS PER ABOVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC AND SO IS KETU AND ITS ASPECT

ON

> > SATURN, CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND, ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IT.

> > RIGHT......HA, HA, HA.

> >

> > PLEASE DO NOT MIND MY LAUGHING BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT.

> >

> > You under SA system believes

> > > the opposite.

> >

> > MOST OF THE TIME BASED ON ITS PLACEMENT AND ALL THE TIME IN

TRANSIT

> > IT IS CLASSIFIED AS BEING MALEFIC AS PER SA.

> > >

> > > I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of functionally

> and

> > > naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period

as

> a

> > > bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the most

> > > benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants.

> >

> > PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE

TO

> > THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE

> > MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED. I DO NOT KNOW

WHY

> > YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU READ MY MESSAGE,

> > MUKUND.

> > >

> > > Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll never

> > have

> > > meeting of minds.

> >

> > THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, THE HUMAN SPECIES, HAVE TO

LEARN

> > TO ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

> >

> > I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and

> > > you don't infringe upon mine.

> >

> > THE EASY WAY IS TO DETACH IT WITH THE SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

> >

> > As long as we believe in karma and re-

> > > birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its

form.

> >

> > I AGREE WITH IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BRAVO..... HA, HA, HA.

> >

> > PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

> > >

> > > To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart.

> >

> > PLEASURE IS ALWAYS MINE.

> >

> > OM TAT SAT.

> >

> > HARI BOL....................AMAR PURI.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> > >

> > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > <satvac@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply

> as

> > > well

> > > > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826,

> > 9838

> > > > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to

> > > > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any

concept

> as

> > > > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight

> answer

> > > to

> > > > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified

the

> > > exact

> > > > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the

> > > message

> > > > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not

in

> > the

> > > > concept, there is nothing I can do.

> > > >

> > > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to

the

> > > seeker

> > > > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has

> any

> > > > control over it but the seeker.

> > > >

> > > > OM TAT SAT.

> > > >

> > > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri.

> > > >

> > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > >

> > > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems

> > Approach

> > > > (SA)

> > > > > to analyze my horoscope.

> > > > >

> > > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a

> great

> > > > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great

> > malefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and

Rahu

> > > > appears

> > > > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya,

you've

> > > > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my

> life

> > > > during

> > > > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to

> > > Saturn's

> > > > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of

> Mars

> > > > > rather than transit Ketu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my

> > enemies

> > > > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign"

> > > > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced

> > GREAT

> > > > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go

> hand

> > > in

> > > > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars-

> > Rahu,

> > > I

> > > > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a

> > personal

> > > > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role

than

> > > > negative-

> > > > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher

> > > learning?

> > > > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the

> > usual

> > > > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a

> new

> > > > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however,

my

> > > major

> > > > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here

> > too,

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical

dictum

> > or

> > > > Rahu

> > > > > in 6th from Lagna.

> > > > >

> > > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible

experiences

> > > rather

> > > > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life

> experience

> > > > during

> > > > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT

the

> > > > Systems

> > > > > Approach dictums.

> > > > >

> > > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I

> neither

> > > > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment

> > classical

> > > > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new

> > > dictums

> > > > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-

> define

> > > > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants.

> > > > >

> > > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter

appended

> > > below

> > > > > > your message.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thank you for the analysis.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Here is my feedback:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent

> most

> > of

> > > > my

> > > > > US

> > > > > > > time in San Francisco area.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY

> > CLEARLY.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford

> > > University

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so

changed

> > my

> > > > > major

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > Finance as a cheaper University.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST

> > > MALEFIC

> > > > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY.

> > ALSO,

> > > I

> > > > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU

> > KNOW

> > > > HOW.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising

> and

> > > > > > > consulting.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was

the

> > 2nd

> > > > > worst

> > > > > > > period of my life;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE

MAIN

> > > > PERIOD

> > > > > OF

> > > > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD

GAVE

> > YOU

> > > > > SOME

> > > > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE

RAHU

> > AND

> > > > > KETU.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89)

> > > > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic

> > experiences.-

> > > -

> > > > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission

> > into

> > > a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that

I

> > > > didn't

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > food to eat.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU

> > > > (SEPT.89 -

> > > > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE

AND

> > > RAHU

> > > > > FROM

> > > > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF

> FOREIGN

> > > > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH

> > > > DIFFICULTIES

> > > > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems

> > > > Approach?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO

> ASCENDANT,SATURN

> > > > > BECOMES

> > > > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life,

emotionally

> > and

> > > > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this

period.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF

> LOSSES

> > > WAS

> > > > > VERY

> > > > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF

> > EMOTIONS)

> > > > IN

> > > > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE

> > > > SECONDARY

> > > > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION

> > > > DEMONSTRATED

> > > > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING

POINT

> > > > DURING

> > > > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic

> > Venus

> > > as

> > > > > > every

> > > > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and

> enemies

> > > > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who

> > live

> > > in

> > > > > > > India) go through a GREAT time.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT

> > > WEAKENED

> > > > > DUE

> > > > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA

OF

> > > > > JUPITER,

> > > > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE

TRANSIT

> > > > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS,

MARS,

> > RAHU

> > > > AND

> > > > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR

> > IT.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS

> > MARS/MOON

> > > > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005

> > > > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE

> > MALEFICS

> > > > AND

> > > > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > >

> > > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great

> > > > personality,a

> > > > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my

post

> to

> > > > you.

> > > > > > > From

> > > > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring

> > knowledge,

> > > > you

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that

> > period.

> > > > > > > Ofcourse,

> > > > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for

pursuing

> > your

> > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > and settle your life there.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial

> > field

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good

> > start

> > > > but

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult

> > period

> > > > > during

> > > > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of

malefic

> > > > > Mars/Sun

> > > > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct.,

> 2004

> > > the

> > > > > sub

> > > > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most

> > > Malefic

> > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most

benefic

> > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and

5h.

> > > > assure

> > > > > > you

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > good family and future.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate

Rahu,

> > > Ketu,

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun

(old

> > > age),

> > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > (a

> > > > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely

> > conjuncted

> > > > by

> > > > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better

> > result.

> > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your

> > > horoscope.

> > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > you like it.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in

my

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally

> > > unafflicted,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I

> > > consider

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in

> > Shukla-

> > > > > > > paksha.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house

aspect

> > > from

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my

> birts

> > > > > details:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through

> > > > Badhakesh

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th

> lord

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > badhak results.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began

> badahk

> > > and

> > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th

lord/badhak

> > > dasa

> > > > > > begin,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel

NEAR

> > > > downtown

> > > > > > San

> > > > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property

> > > development

> > > > > > > company

> > > > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before

> the

> > > 9th

> > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone

> > pulled

> > > a

> > > > > gun

> > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ;

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > > planets/Badhakesh-

> > > > > -

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone

> > > through

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord.

> > > > Jyotishas

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

> mahadasa

> > > as

> > > > it

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned

> > success

> > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa."

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING

YOUR

> > > > > HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT

> THE

> > > MOON

> > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY

> TYPE

> > OF

> > > > > > > > AFFLICTION

> > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL

CONCEPT)

> > > WHICH

> > > > > > > > INDICATES

> > > > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO

POST

> > > YOUR

> > > > > > BIRTH

> > > > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF

> YOU

> > SO

> > > > > > DESIRE.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> , "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make

> this

> > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have

KSY.

> > > Your

> > > > > > friend

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than

> anything

> > > > else

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > his/her

> > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out

> > there

> > > > > point

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the

> > conjuct

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to

> no

> > > such

> > > > > > > > bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA

> > > > discussion

> > > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would

have

> > > asked

> > > > me

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish

> is

> > to

> > > > > > closely

> > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique

> > > attributes

> > > > as

> > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in

> > their

> > > > > lives.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are

> > obessesed

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > quoting

> > > > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it

is

> > for

> > > us

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these

> dictum

> > > > come

> > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > > > planets/Badhakesh--

> > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've

gone

> > > > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th

lord.

> > > > > Jyotishas

> > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

> > mahadasa

> > > > as

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned

> > > success

> > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "kakan_leo"

> > > > > > > > > > <kakan_leo>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > conjuncting

> > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri.

> > > > > > > > > > > > One other point.

> > > > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you

advise

> > to

> > > > take

> > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to

> > > > determine

> > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not?

> > > > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of

> money

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > > yantra

> > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is

> completely

> > > > > > convinced

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the

> > > > attitude,

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is

> > > damaging.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini.

August 31, 2004

Hello Amar:

Thank you for the offer of speaking with me, most people in North

America won't be willing to spare their time for someone else.

As I've told you before, several principles of Systems Approach don't

appeal to me, especially the change in functional nature of planets

and analysis done via the "most effecit point," i.e. MEP. So we won't

be adding any value either to me or to you if we speak.

If I change my mind in future, I'll definitely call you-- I will e-

mail you first. I have your e-mail address in my personal in-box.

Good luck and good bye.

Mukund

, "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...>

wrote:

> Hello dear Mukund,

>

> Hare Krishna. Actually, I was waiting your phone call as I asked

you

> to call me if you so desire to discuss further about your

horoscope.

> Any how, I saw your message to which my reply is appended below

your

> message in CAP.letter.

>

> Hari Bol...............Amar Puri.

>

> , "monmuk111"

> wrote:

> > Hello Amar:

> >

> > Here is something you wrote that I'd like to understand further:

> >

> > "PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE

TO

> > THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE

> > MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED."

> >

> > 1) When you say transit Ketu afflicting my Saturn, are you

refering

> > to Ketu's transit through Libra or Scorpio?

>

> L I B R A.

>

> > 2) When you speak about Saturn, is it the Natal Saturn or transit

> > Saturn that is being afflicted by Ketu?

>

> TRANSIT SATURN (ONE OF THE KARKA LORD OF THE FAMILY) IN GIMINI OF

8H

> OF OBSTRUCTION WHICH BROUGHT DISGRACE, FAMILY PROBLEMS BETWEEN YOU

> AND YOUR WIFE BY THE AFFLICTION OF TRANSIT AND NATAL KETU OCCUPYING

> THE 12TH HOUSE OF THE MOST MALEFIC LORD VENUS (SIGINIFICATOR OF

> SPOUSE YOUR WIFE AND CONJUNCTING JUPITER I.E. YOU AS HUSBAND). IT

> LOOKS LIKE YOU DID NOT READ MY MESSAGE CAREFULLY.

> >

> > I'm genuinely tyring to understand your dictum and not setting

you

> up

> > for another argument. I have nothing against SA.

>

> SA. IS NOT MY CREATION. I WAS ALSO IN A VERY ROUGH AND TOUGH

> SITUATION WHEN I CAME ACROSS THIS ONE OF THE ASTROLOGER / ASSOCIATE

> FOUNDER OF SA WHO PIN POINTED EXACTLY WHERE WERE THE PROBLEMS WHERE

> ALL OTHERS SO CALLED TRANDITIONAL ASTROLOGERS FAILED DUE TO THE

> UNACCURACY OF READING IN MY CHART AND BLAMING THE CONCEPT OF

MALEFIC

> SATURN, KSY AND SO ON (MORE LATER ON THAT IF AND WHEN YOU CALL, I

AM

> NOT PUTTING ANY CONCEPT DOWN, MIND YOU.)

>

> SINCERELY, I WAS LOOKING FOR A DESPARATE HELP WHICH I FOUND ONLY

> THROUGH SA AND AS A RESULT OF IT, I BEGAN TO LEARN MYSELF WITH A

VIEW

> TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE IN THE SITUATION. ENOUGHT OF IT.

>

> In fact, I've

> > already told you that I studied SA for a few months and the

> concepts

> > didn't work for me so I never went to that board again.

>

> IT IS UP TO YOU TO PURSUE FURTHER AS I DID.

> >

> > I'm not the type who'd go around bashing/bad-mouthing dictums

that

> I

> > don't work for me. If something doesn't work for me, I say so and

> > that's all I say. Also, I don't have a vested financial interest

in

> > bashing other people's Jyotish techniques as I'm not a practicing

> > professional astrologer who's trying to drum up business.

>

> I UNDERSTAND AND FELT THAT YOU ARE GENUINE PERSON SEEKING ANSWER TO

> THE PROBLEMS. THAT IS WHY I TOOK THIS CHALLENGE TO FIND HELP FOR

YOU

> AND GIVE YOU THE SERVICE.

> >

> > I'm just a little guy attempting to understand the karmic

> signatures

> > in my horoscopes.

>

> LET US DISCUSS. MORE LATER.

> >

> > Mukund

>

> OM TAT SAT.

>

> WITH BEST WISHES....................AMAR PURI.

> >

> > , "amarpuri2004"

> <satvac@h...>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > >

> > > Hare Krishna. I gave you a very short reading FIRST on your

chart

> > as

> > > confirmed in my message number 9817. Please re-read it again.

> > >

> > > Then, you mentioned the problems encountered in the second

> message

> > > number 9826 and 9838 to which I replied to whatever you are

> > stating

> > > below in your explanation. So, kindly do not put the words in

my

> > > mouth what I did not do.

> > >

> > > As far as accuracy is concerned, you did agree to it all.

Please

> > re-

> > > read the messages again.

> > >

> > > Under no circumstances, I am favouring any concept but to the

> > > accuracy of my reading your chart either you believe it or

not.

> > The

> > > proof is in the written messages to which any one can read.

The

> > > accuracy of my reading speaks for itself in the messages to

which

> > no

> > > one can disagree to agree.

> > >

> > > Please read my further reply in CAP.letter appended below your

> > > message.

> > >

> > > With my best wishes......... Amar Puri.

> > >

> > > , "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello Amar:

> > > >

> > > > You identified my profession in Finance which was exact.

> > >

> > > OK>

> > >

> > > However,the

> > > > rest wasn't exact.

> > >

> > > DID YOU MAKE A MENTION OF SUCH IN YOUR MESSAGES BUT TO AGREED

ALL

> > THE

> > > TIME TO MY READING? PLEASE READ AND VERIFY IT.

> > > >

> > > > Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic;

> > > therefore,

> > > > you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me.

> > >

> > > PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> > >

> > > However,

> > > > this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream

> come

> > > > true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family,

> > > > challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my

case

> > > Rahu

> > > > didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC.

> > >

> > > PLEASE RE-READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> > > >

> > > > Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my

> job,

> > my

> > > > wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at

> all

> > on

> > > > this period as a BAD period.

> > >

> > > AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY FIRST READING IT WAS ONLY A SHORT

> > > READING (FIRST MESSAGE) AND I REPLIED TO IT WHEN YOU PUT UP

THAT

> > > QUESTION. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN.

> > >

> > > That is because Saturn is a GREAT

> > > > BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period.

> > >

> > > OFCOURSE, SATURN IS THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER SA WHICH I

> WROTE

> > > IN MY MESSAGE. PLEASE READ IT AGAIN.

> > > >

> > > > When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it

on

> > Ketu

> > > > transit rather than Saturn.

> > >

> > > IT IS NOT BLAMING KETU. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE IN WHICH I

WROTE

> > THAT

> > > KETU IS OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES ASPECTING SATURN WHICH ANY

> > BODY

> > > CAN SEE AND READ IT FROM YOUR NATAL CHART.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe

> that

> > in

> > > > my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause

> great

> > > > distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC.

> > >

> > > NEVERTHELESS YOU BELIEVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC. DON'T YOU ?

> WELL,

> > > YOU CAN NOT DENY IT..........HA, HA, HA.

> > >

> > > IF SO, KETU ASPECTS ON SATURN DURING THE TRANSIT, INDEED, DID

> > > INFLUENCE THOSE PROBLEMS.

> > >

> > > NOW YOU SEE MY POINT, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU

ADMITTED

> IT

> > > AS PER ABOVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC AND SO IS KETU AND ITS ASPECT

> ON

> > > SATURN, CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND, ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE

IT.

> > > RIGHT......HA, HA, HA.

> > >

> > > PLEASE DO NOT MIND MY LAUGHING BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT.

> > >

> > > You under SA system believes

> > > > the opposite.

> > >

> > > MOST OF THE TIME BASED ON ITS PLACEMENT AND ALL THE TIME IN

> TRANSIT

> > > IT IS CLASSIFIED AS BEING MALEFIC AS PER SA.

> > > >

> > > > I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of

functionally

> > and

> > > > naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period

> as

> > a

> > > > bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the

most

> > > > benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants.

> > >

> > > PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE

> TO

> > > THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN

THE

> > > MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED. I DO NOT KNOW

> WHY

> > > YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU READ MY MESSAGE,

> > > MUKUND.

> > > >

> > > > Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll

never

> > > have

> > > > meeting of minds.

> > >

> > > THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, THE HUMAN SPECIES, HAVE TO

> LEARN

> > > TO ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

> > >

> > > I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and

> > > > you don't infringe upon mine.

> > >

> > > THE EASY WAY IS TO DETACH IT WITH THE SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE.

> > >

> > > As long as we believe in karma and re-

> > > > birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its

> form.

> > >

> > > I AGREE WITH IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BRAVO..... HA, HA, HA.

> > >

> > > PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH.

> > > >

> > > > To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart.

> > >

> > > PLEASURE IS ALWAYS MINE.

> > >

> > > OM TAT SAT.

> > >

> > > HARI BOL....................AMAR PURI.

> > > >

> > > > Mukund

> > > >

> > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir,

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the

reply

> > as

> > > > well

> > > > > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817,

9826,

> > > 9838

> > > > > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees

to

> > > > > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any

> concept

> > as

> > > > > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight

> > answer

> > > > to

> > > > > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified

> the

> > > > exact

> > > > > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in

the

> > > > message

> > > > > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or

not

> in

> > > the

> > > > > concept, there is nothing I can do.

> > > > >

> > > > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to

> the

> > > > seeker

> > > > > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one

has

> > any

> > > > > control over it but the seeker.

> > > > >

> > > > > OM TAT SAT.

> > > > >

> > > > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri.

> > > > >

> > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems

> > > Approach

> > > > > (SA)

> > > > > > to analyze my horoscope.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a

> > great

> > > > > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great

> > > malefic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and

> Rahu

> > > > > appears

> > > > > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya,

> you've

> > > > > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my

> > life

> > > > > during

> > > > > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to

> > > > Saturn's

> > > > > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy

of

> > Mars

> > > > > > rather than transit Ketu.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my

> > > enemies

> > > > > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign"

> > > > > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've

experienced

> > > GREAT

> > > > > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine

go

> > hand

> > > > in

> > > > > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During

Mars-

> > > Rahu,

> > > > I

> > > > > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a

> > > personal

> > > > > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role

> than

> > > > > negative-

> > > > > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher

> > > > learning?

> > > > > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were

the

> > > usual

> > > > > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to

a

> > new

> > > > > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however,

> my

> > > > major

> > > > > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So,

here

> > > too,

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical

> dictum

> > > or

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > in 6th from Lagna.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible

> experiences

> > > > rather

> > > > > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life

> > experience

> > > > > during

> > > > > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT

> the

> > > > > Systems

> > > > > > Approach dictums.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I

> > neither

> > > > > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment

> > > classical

> > > > > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand

new

> > > > dictums

> > > > > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-

> > define

> > > > > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter

> appended

> > > > below

> > > > > > > your message.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thank you for the analysis.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here is my feedback:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent

> > most

> > > of

> > > > > my

> > > > > > US

> > > > > > > > time in San Francisco area.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY

> > > CLEARLY.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford

> > > > University

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so

> changed

> > > my

> > > > > > major

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > Finance as a cheaper University.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE

MOST

> > > > MALEFIC

> > > > > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH

DIFFICULTY.

> > > ALSO,

> > > > I

> > > > > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE

YOU

> > > KNOW

> > > > > HOW.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is

advising

> > and

> > > > > > > > consulting.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was

> the

> > > 2nd

> > > > > > worst

> > > > > > > > period of my life;

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE

> MAIN

> > > > > PERIOD

> > > > > > OF

> > > > > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD

> GAVE

> > > YOU

> > > > > > SOME

> > > > > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE

> RAHU

> > > AND

> > > > > > KETU.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89)

> > > > > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic

> > > experiences.-

> > > > -

> > > > > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me

admission

> > > into

> > > > a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor

that

> I

> > > > > didn't

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > food to eat.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF

RAHU

> > > > > (SEPT.89 -

> > > > > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE

> AND

> > > > RAHU

> > > > > > FROM

> > > > > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF

> > FOREIGN

> > > > > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH

> > > > > DIFFICULTIES

> > > > > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using

Systems

> > > > > Approach?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO

> > ASCENDANT,SATURN

> > > > > > BECOMES

> > > > > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life,

> emotionally

> > > and

> > > > > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this

> period.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF

> > LOSSES

> > > > WAS

> > > > > > VERY

> > > > > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF

> > > EMOTIONS)

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY

(THE

> > > > > SECONDARY

> > > > > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION

> > > > > DEMONSTRATED

> > > > > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING

> POINT

> > > > > DURING

> > > > > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally

malefic

> > > Venus

> > > > as

> > > > > > > every

> > > > > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and

> > enemies

> > > > > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad

who

> > > live

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > India) go through a GREAT time.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED

BUT

> > > > WEAKENED

> > > > > > DUE

> > > > > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN

ANTARDASA

> OF

> > > > > > JUPITER,

> > > > > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE

> TRANSIT

> > > > > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS,

> MARS,

> > > RAHU

> > > > > AND

> > > > > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH

FOR

> > > IT.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS

> > > MARS/MOON

> > > > > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005

> > > > > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE

> > > MALEFICS

> > > > > AND

> > > > > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great

> > > > > personality,a

> > > > > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my

> post

> > to

> > > > > you.

> > > > > > > > From

> > > > > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring

> > > knowledge,

> > > > > you

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that

> > > period.

> > > > > > > > Ofcourse,

> > > > > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for

> pursuing

> > > your

> > > > > > > career

> > > > > > > > > and settle your life there.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a

financial

> > > field

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a

good

> > > start

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult

> > > period

> > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of

> malefic

> > > > > > Mars/Sun

> > > > > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in

Oct.,

> > 2004

> > > > the

> > > > > > sub

> > > > > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very

promising.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting

Most

> > > > Malefic

> > > > > > > Venus

> > > > > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru

controls

> > the

> > > > 2nd

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most

> benefic

> > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and

> 5h.

> > > > > assure

> > > > > > > you

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > good family and future.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate

> Rahu,

> > > > Ketu,

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun

> (old

> > > > age),

> > > > > > > Moon

> > > > > > > > (a

> > > > > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely

> > > conjuncted

> > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better

> > > result.

> > > > > > Saturn

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your

> > > > horoscope.

> > > > > > > Hope

> > > > > > > > > you like it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet

in

> my

> > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Even

> > > > > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally

> > > > unafflicted,

> > > > > > but

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I

> > > > consider

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in

> > > Shukla-

> > > > > > > > paksha.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house

> aspect

> > > > from

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > 6th

> > > > > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my

> > birts

> > > > > > details:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going

through

> > > > > Badhakesh

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th

> > lord

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > > badhak results.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began

> > badahk

> > > > and

> > > > > > 9th

> > > > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th

> lord/badhak

> > > > dasa

> > > > > > > begin,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel

> NEAR

> > > > > downtown

> > > > > > > San

> > > > > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property

> > > > development

> > > > > > > > company

> > > > > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn.

Before

> > the

> > > > 9th

> > > > > > > lord

> > > > > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone

> > > pulled

> > > > a

> > > > > > gun

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > > > > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ;

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > > > planets/Badhakesh-

> > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've

gone

> > > > through

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th

lord.

> > > > > Jyotishas

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

> > mahadasa

> > > > as

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned

> > > success

> > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa."

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING

> YOUR

> > > > > > HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE

THAT

> > THE

> > > > MOON

> > > > > > IS

> > > > > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY

> > TYPE

> > > OF

> > > > > > > > > AFFLICTION

> > > > > > > > > > IN

> > > > > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL

> CONCEPT)

> > > > WHICH

> > > > > > > > > INDICATES

> > > > > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO

> POST

> > > > YOUR

> > > > > > > BIRTH

> > > > > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC,

IF

> > YOU

> > > SO

> > > > > > > DESIRE.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > > > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make

> > this

> > > > > > > horoscope

> > > > > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have

> KSY.

> > > > Your

> > > > > > > friend

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than

> > anything

> > > > > else

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > his/her

> > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish

out

> > > there

> > > > > > point

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the

> > > conjuct

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe

to

> > no

> > > > such

> > > > > > > > > bullshit.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA

> > > > > discussion

> > > > > > > > group,

> > > > > > > > > > if

> > > > > > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would

> have

> > > > asked

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn

Jyotish

> > is

> > > to

> > > > > > > closely

> > > > > > > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique

> > > > attributes

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > KSY

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > 3

> > > > > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens

in

> > > their

> > > > > > lives.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are

> > > obessesed

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > quoting

> > > > > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it

> is

> > > for

> > > > us

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these

> > dictum

> > > > > come

> > > > > > > true

> > > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> > > > > > planets/Badhakesh--

> > > > > > > > how

> > > > > > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've

> gone

> > > > > through

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th

> lord.

> > > > > > Jyotishas

> > > > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon

> > > mahadasa

> > > > > as

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and

unplanned

> > > > success

> > > > > > > > during

> > > > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , "kakan_leo"

> > > > > > > > > > > <kakan_leo>

> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am

getting

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > conjuncting

> > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > One other point.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you

> advise

> > > to

> > > > > take

> > > > > > > > into

> > > > > > > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet

to

> > > > > determine

> > > > > > > > > whether

> > > > > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of

> > money

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > > yantra

> > > > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is

> > completely

> > > > > > > convinced

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is

the

> > > > > attitude,

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is

> > > > damaging.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini.

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