Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Hello Amar: You identified my profession in Finance which was exact. However,the rest wasn't exact. Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic; therefore, you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me. However, this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream come true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family, challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my case Rahu didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC. Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my job, my wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at all on this period as a BAD period. That is because Saturn is a GREAT BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period. When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it on Ketu transit rather than Saturn. Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe that in my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause great distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC. You under SA system believes the opposite. I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of functionally and naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period as a bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the most benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants. Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll never have meeting of minds. I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and you don't infringe upon mine. As long as we believe in karma and re- birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its form. To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart. Mukund , "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...> wrote: > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir, > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply as well > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826, 9838 > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any concept as > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight answer to > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified the exact > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the message > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not in the > concept, there is nothing I can do. > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to the seeker > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has any > control over it but the seeker. > > OM TAT SAT. > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri. > > > > , "monmuk111" <monmuk111> > wrote: > > Hello Amar: > > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems Approach > (SA) > > to analyze my horoscope. > > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a great > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great malefic. > > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and Rahu > appears > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya, you've > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my life > during > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to Saturn's > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of Mars > > rather than transit Ketu. > > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my enemies > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign" > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced GREAT > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go hand in > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars-Rahu, I > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a personal > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc. > > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role than > negative- > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher learning? > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the usual > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a new > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however, my major > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here too, > Rahu > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical dictum or > Rahu > > in 6th from Lagna. > > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible experiences rather > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph. > > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life experience > during > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT the > Systems > > Approach dictums. > > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I neither > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment classical > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new dictums > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-define > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants. > > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart. > > > > Mukund > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > <satvac@h...> > > wrote: > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter appended below > > > your message. > > > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > <monmuk111> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > Thank you for the analysis. > > > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME. > > > > > > Here is my feedback: > > > > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent most of > my > > US > > > > time in San Francisco area. > > > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY CLEARLY. > > > > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford University > > in > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so changed my > > major > > > to > > > > Finance as a cheaper University. > > > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST MALEFIC > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY. ALSO, I > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU KNOW > HOW. > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising and > > > > consulting. > > > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING. > > > > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was the 2nd > > worst > > > > period of my life; > > > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE MAIN > PERIOD > > OF > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD GAVE YOU > > SOME > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE RAHU AND > > KETU. > > > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89) > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic experiences.- - > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission into a > > good > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that I > didn't > > > have > > > > food to eat. > > > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU > (SEPT.89 - > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE AND RAHU > > FROM > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF FOREIGN > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH > DIFFICULTIES > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU. > > > > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems > Approach? > > > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO ASCENDANT,SATURN > > BECOMES > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET. > > > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life, emotionally and > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this period. > > > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES WAS > > VERY > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF EMOTIONS) > IN > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE > SECONDARY > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION > DEMONSTRATED > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING POINT > DURING > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS. > > > > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic Venus as > > > every > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and enemies > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who live in > > > > India) go through a GREAT time. > > > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT WEAKENED > > DUE > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA OF > > JUPITER, > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE TRANSIT > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS, MARS, RAHU > AND > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR IT. > > > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS MARS/MOON > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005 > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE MALEFICS > AND > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS. > > > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT. > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI. > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great > personality,a > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my post to > you. > > > > From > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring knowledge, > you > > > > have > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that period. > > > > Ofcourse, > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for pursuing your > > > career > > > > > and settle your life there. > > > > > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ? > > > > > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial field > and > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good start > but > > > not > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult period > > during > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of malefic > > Mars/Sun > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct., 2004 the > > sub > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising. > > > > > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most Malefic > > > Venus > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls the 2nd > > > house > > > > of > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most benefic Saturn > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and 5h. > assure > > > you > > > > a > > > > > good family and future. > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate Rahu, Ketu, > > Mars > > > > and > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun (old age), > > > Moon > > > > (a > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely conjuncted > by > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better result. > > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your horoscope. > > > Hope > > > > > you like it. > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in my > chart. > > > Even > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally unafflicted, > > but > > > > the > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I consider > > 9th > > > > lord > > > > > a > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in Shukla- > > > > paksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house aspect from > > the > > > > 6th > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my birts > > details: > > > > > > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through > Badhakesh > > > and > > > > > 9th > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th lord > > results > > > > than > > > > > > badhak results. > > > > > > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began badahk and > > 9th > > > > > lord > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th lord/badhak dasa > > > begin, > > > > > he > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel NEAR > downtown > > > San > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property development > > > > company > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before the 9th > > > lord > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone pulled a > > gun > > > on > > > > > him > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner. > > > > > > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > planets/Badhakesh- > > - > > > > how > > > > > can > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone through > > the > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > Jyotishas > > had > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa as > it > > > was > > > > > the > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned success > > during > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR > > HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT THE MOON > > IS > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY TYPE OF > > > > > AFFLICTION > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL CONCEPT) WHICH > > > > > INDICATES > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR > > > BIRTH > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF YOU SO > > > DESIRE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make this > > > horoscope > > > > > KSY > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have KSY. Your > > > friend > > > > > is > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than anything > else > > in > > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out there > > point > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the conjuct > > planet > > > > to > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to no such > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA > discussion > > > > group, > > > > > > if > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would have asked > me > > > for > > > > a > > > > > > > quote > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish is to > > > closely > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique attributes > as > > > KSY > > > > > or > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in their > > lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are obessesed > > with > > > > > > quoting > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it is for us > > to > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these dictum > come > > > true > > > > > or > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > > planets/Badhakesh-- > > > > how > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone > through > > > the > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > > Jyotishas > > > > had > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa > as > > it > > > > was > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned success > > > > during > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "kakan_leo" > > > > > > > <kakan_leo> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting Jupiter > > > > > > conjuncting > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri. > > > > > > > > > One other point. > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you advise to > take > > > > into > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to > determine > > > > > whether > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not? > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of money for > a > > > > yantra > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is completely > > > convinced > > > > > that > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the > attitude, > > > that > > > > > > such > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Nandini. 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Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Hello dear Mukund, Hare Krishna. I gave you a very short reading FIRST on your chart as confirmed in my message number 9817. Please re-read it again. Then, you mentioned the problems encountered in the second message number 9826 and 9838 to which I replied to whatever you are stating below in your explanation. So, kindly do not put the words in my mouth what I did not do. As far as accuracy is concerned, you did agree to it all. Please re- read the messages again. Under no circumstances, I am favouring any concept but to the accuracy of my reading your chart either you believe it or not. The proof is in the written messages to which any one can read. The accuracy of my reading speaks for itself in the messages to which no one can disagree to agree. Please read my further reply in CAP.letter appended below your message. With my best wishes......... Amar Puri. , "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Amar: > > You identified my profession in Finance which was exact. OK> However,the > rest wasn't exact. DID YOU MAKE A MENTION OF SUCH IN YOUR MESSAGES BUT TO AGREED ALL THE TIME TO MY READING? PLEASE READ AND VERIFY IT. > > Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic; therefore, > you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. However, > this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream come > true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family, > challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my case Rahu > didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC. PLEASE RE-READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. > > Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my job, my > wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at all on > this period as a BAD period. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY FIRST READING IT WAS ONLY A SHORT READING (FIRST MESSAGE) AND I REPLIED TO IT WHEN YOU PUT UP THAT QUESTION. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. That is because Saturn is a GREAT > BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period. OFCOURSE, SATURN IS THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER SA WHICH I WROTE IN MY MESSAGE. PLEASE READ IT AGAIN. > > When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it on Ketu > transit rather than Saturn. IT IS NOT BLAMING KETU. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE IN WHICH I WROTE THAT KETU IS OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES ASPECTING SATURN WHICH ANY BODY CAN SEE AND READ IT FROM YOUR NATAL CHART. > > Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe that in > my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause great > distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC. NEVERTHELESS YOU BELIEVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC. DON'T YOU ? WELL, YOU CAN NOT DENY IT..........HA, HA, HA. IF SO, KETU ASPECTS ON SATURN DURING THE TRANSIT, INDEED, DID INFLUENCE THOSE PROBLEMS. NOW YOU SEE MY POINT, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU ADMITTED IT AS PER ABOVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC AND SO IS KETU AND ITS ASPECT ON SATURN, CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND, ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IT. RIGHT......HA, HA, HA. PLEASE DO NOT MIND MY LAUGHING BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT. You under SA system believes > the opposite. MOST OF THE TIME BASED ON ITS PLACEMENT AND ALL THE TIME IN TRANSIT IT IS CLASSIFIED AS BEING MALEFIC AS PER SA. > > I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of functionally and > naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period as a > bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the most > benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants. PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE TO THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED. I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU READ MY MESSAGE, MUKUND. > > Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll never have > meeting of minds. THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, THE HUMAN SPECIES, HAVE TO LEARN TO ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and > you don't infringe upon mine. THE EASY WAY IS TO DETACH IT WITH THE SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE. As long as we believe in karma and re- > birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its form. I AGREE WITH IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BRAVO..... HA, HA, HA. PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH. > > To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart. PLEASURE IS ALWAYS MINE. OM TAT SAT. HARI BOL....................AMAR PURI. > > Mukund > > , "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...> > wrote: > > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir, > > > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply as > well > > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826, 9838 > > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to > > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any concept as > > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight answer > to > > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified the > exact > > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the > message > > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not in the > > concept, there is nothing I can do. > > > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to the > seeker > > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has any > > control over it but the seeker. > > > > OM TAT SAT. > > > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > <monmuk111> > > wrote: > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems Approach > > (SA) > > > to analyze my horoscope. > > > > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a great > > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great malefic. > > > > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and Rahu > > appears > > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya, you've > > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my life > > during > > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to > Saturn's > > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of Mars > > > rather than transit Ketu. > > > > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my enemies > > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign" > > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced GREAT > > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go hand > in > > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars- Rahu, > I > > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a personal > > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc. > > > > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role than > > negative- > > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher > learning? > > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the usual > > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a new > > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however, my > major > > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here too, > > Rahu > > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical dictum or > > Rahu > > > in 6th from Lagna. > > > > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible experiences > rather > > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph. > > > > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life experience > > during > > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT the > > Systems > > > Approach dictums. > > > > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I neither > > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment classical > > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new > dictums > > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-define > > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants. > > > > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart. > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > <satvac@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter appended > below > > > > your message. > > > > > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > <monmuk111> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the analysis. > > > > > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME. > > > > > > > > Here is my feedback: > > > > > > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent most of > > my > > > US > > > > > time in San Francisco area. > > > > > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY CLEARLY. > > > > > > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford > University > > > in > > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so changed my > > > major > > > > to > > > > > Finance as a cheaper University. > > > > > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST > MALEFIC > > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY. ALSO, > I > > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU KNOW > > HOW. > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising and > > > > > consulting. > > > > > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING. > > > > > > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was the 2nd > > > worst > > > > > period of my life; > > > > > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE MAIN > > PERIOD > > > OF > > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD GAVE YOU > > > SOME > > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE RAHU AND > > > KETU. > > > > > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89) > > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic experiences.- > - > > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission into > a > > > good > > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that I > > didn't > > > > have > > > > > food to eat. > > > > > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU > > (SEPT.89 - > > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE AND > RAHU > > > FROM > > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF FOREIGN > > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH > > DIFFICULTIES > > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU. > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems > > Approach? > > > > > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO ASCENDANT,SATURN > > > BECOMES > > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET. > > > > > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life, emotionally and > > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this period. > > > > > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES > WAS > > > VERY > > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF EMOTIONS) > > IN > > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE > > SECONDARY > > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION > > DEMONSTRATED > > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING POINT > > DURING > > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS. > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic Venus > as > > > > every > > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and enemies > > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who live > in > > > > > India) go through a GREAT time. > > > > > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT > WEAKENED > > > DUE > > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA OF > > > JUPITER, > > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE TRANSIT > > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS, MARS, RAHU > > AND > > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR IT. > > > > > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS MARS/MOON > > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005 > > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE MALEFICS > > AND > > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS. > > > > > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT. > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI. > > > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great > > personality,a > > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my post to > > you. > > > > > From > > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring knowledge, > > you > > > > > have > > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that period. > > > > > Ofcourse, > > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for pursuing your > > > > career > > > > > > and settle your life there. > > > > > > > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ? > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial field > > and > > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good start > > but > > > > not > > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult period > > > during > > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of malefic > > > Mars/Sun > > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct., 2004 > the > > > sub > > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most > Malefic > > > > Venus > > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls the > 2nd > > > > house > > > > > of > > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most benefic > Saturn > > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and 5h. > > assure > > > > you > > > > > a > > > > > > good family and future. > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate Rahu, > Ketu, > > > Mars > > > > > and > > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun (old > age), > > > > Moon > > > > > (a > > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely conjuncted > > by > > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better result. > > > Saturn > > > > > is > > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your > horoscope. > > > > Hope > > > > > > you like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in my > > chart. > > > > Even > > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally > unafflicted, > > > but > > > > > the > > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I > consider > > > 9th > > > > > lord > > > > > > a > > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in Shukla- > > > > > paksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house aspect > from > > > the > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my birts > > > details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through > > Badhakesh > > > > and > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th lord > > > results > > > > > than > > > > > > > badhak results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began badahk > and > > > 9th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th lord/badhak > dasa > > > > begin, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel NEAR > > downtown > > > > San > > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property > development > > > > > company > > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before the > 9th > > > > lord > > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone pulled > a > > > gun > > > > on > > > > > > him > > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > > planets/Badhakesh- > > > - > > > > > how > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone > through > > > the > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > > Jyotishas > > > had > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa > as > > it > > > > was > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned success > > > during > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR > > > HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT THE > MOON > > > IS > > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY TYPE OF > > > > > > AFFLICTION > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL CONCEPT) > WHICH > > > > > > INDICATES > > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO POST > YOUR > > > > BIRTH > > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF YOU SO > > > > DESIRE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make this > > > > horoscope > > > > > > KSY > > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have KSY. > Your > > > > friend > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than anything > > else > > > in > > > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out there > > > point > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the conjuct > > > planet > > > > > to > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to no > such > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA > > discussion > > > > > group, > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would have > asked > > me > > > > for > > > > > a > > > > > > > > quote > > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish is to > > > > closely > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique > attributes > > as > > > > KSY > > > > > > or > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in their > > > lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are obessesed > > > with > > > > > > > quoting > > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it is for > us > > > to > > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these dictum > > come > > > > true > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > > > planets/Badhakesh-- > > > > > how > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > > > Jyotishas > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa > > as > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned > success > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "kakan_leo" > > > > > > > > <kakan_leo> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting > Jupiter > > > > > > > conjuncting > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri. > > > > > > > > > > One other point. > > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you advise to > > take > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to > > determine > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not? > > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of money > for > > a > > > > > yantra > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is completely > > > > convinced > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the > > attitude, > > > > that > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is > damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Nandini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Dear Mukund, It is me again. I was about to leave my office and thought that I should write you this note inviting you to please call me at (514)737- 1551 during the morning time for further discussion of your chart, if you so desire. Certainly, we are all born with problems and there are always solution to the problems. You look like a nice man. So, let us talk over the phone. I live in Montreal. With my best wishes......... Amar Puri. , "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...> wrote: > Hello dear Mukund, > > Hare Krishna. I gave you a very short reading FIRST on your chart as > confirmed in my message number 9817. Please re-read it again. > > Then, you mentioned the problems encountered in the second message > number 9826 and 9838 to which I replied to whatever you are stating > below in your explanation. So, kindly do not put the words in my > mouth what I did not do. > > As far as accuracy is concerned, you did agree to it all. Please re- > read the messages again. > > Under no circumstances, I am favouring any concept but to the > accuracy of my reading your chart either you believe it or not. The > proof is in the written messages to which any one can read. The > accuracy of my reading speaks for itself in the messages to which no > one can disagree to agree. > > Please read my further reply in CAP.letter appended below your > message. > > With my best wishes......... Amar Puri. > > , "monmuk111" <monmuk111> > wrote: > > Hello Amar: > > > > You identified my profession in Finance which was exact. > > OK> > > However,the > > rest wasn't exact. > > DID YOU MAKE A MENTION OF SUCH IN YOUR MESSAGES BUT TO AGREED ALL THE > TIME TO MY READING? PLEASE READ AND VERIFY IT. > > > > Under SA approach you consider Rahu to be a great malefic; > therefore, > > you noted that Moon-Rahu (Sept.89 to Feb.91) was bad for me. > > PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. > > However, > > this period wasn't COMPLETELY bad for me, this was my "dream come > > true" period ALONG with the agony of moving away from family, > > challenges of starting a new life in a new land. So, in my case > Rahu > > didn't act as a GREAT MALEFIC. > > PLEASE RE-READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. > > > > Now, the worst period of my life Mars-Saturn when I lost my job, my > > wealth, my wife, my family and health. You didn't comment at all on > > this period as a BAD period. > > AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY FIRST READING IT WAS ONLY A SHORT > READING (FIRST MESSAGE) AND I REPLIED TO IT WHEN YOU PUT UP THAT > QUESTION. READ MY MESSAGE AGAIN. > > That is because Saturn is a GREAT > > BENEFIC per SA and you didn't see it as a bad period. > > OFCOURSE, SATURN IS THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET AS PER SA WHICH I WROTE > IN MY MESSAGE. PLEASE READ IT AGAIN. > > > > When I told you Mars-Saturn was a bad period, you blamed it on Ketu > > transit rather than Saturn. > > IT IS NOT BLAMING KETU. PLEASE READ MY MESSAGE IN WHICH I WROTE THAT > KETU IS OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES ASPECTING SATURN WHICH ANY BODY > CAN SEE AND READ IT FROM YOUR NATAL CHART. > > > > > Well, I follow the classical literature closely and believe that in > > my horoscope Rahu causes anxiety, but doesn't ruin me/cause great > > distress so it ISN'T a GREAT MALEFIC. > > NEVERTHELESS YOU BELIEVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC. DON'T YOU ? WELL, > YOU CAN NOT DENY IT..........HA, HA, HA. > > IF SO, KETU ASPECTS ON SATURN DURING THE TRANSIT, INDEED, DID > INFLUENCE THOSE PROBLEMS. > > NOW YOU SEE MY POINT, I HOPE YOU BELIEVE IT BECAUSE YOU ADMITTED IT > AS PER ABOVE THAT RAHU IS MALEFIC AND SO IS KETU AND ITS ASPECT ON > SATURN, CAUSED THESE PROBLEMS, MY FRIEND, ONLY IF YOU BELIEVE IT. > RIGHT......HA, HA, HA. > > PLEASE DO NOT MIND MY LAUGHING BECAUSE WE ALL NEED IT. > > You under SA system believes > > the opposite. > > MOST OF THE TIME BASED ON ITS PLACEMENT AND ALL THE TIME IN TRANSIT > IT IS CLASSIFIED AS BEING MALEFIC AS PER SA. > > > > I believe that Mars-Saturn was horrible because of functionally and > > naturally malefic Saturn. You didn't even predict this period as a > > bad peroid because you're used to looking at Saturn as the most > > benefic planet for Scorpio ascendants. > > PLEASE READ MY REPLY ABOVE AND MY MESSAGES IN WHICH I WROTE DUE TO > THE AFFLICTION OF KETU IN TRANSIT TO THE SATURN SUB PERIOD IN THE > MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS ALL THESE HAPPENED. I DO NOT KNOW WHY > YOU ARE BLAMING ME FOR NOTHING. WHY DON'T YOU READ MY MESSAGE, > MUKUND. > > > > Basically, our belief systems are so different that we'll never > have > > meeting of minds. > > THAT IS ONE OF THE CHALLENGES, WE, THE HUMAN SPECIES, HAVE TO LEARN > TO ACCEPT THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. > > I don't want to infringe upon my belief system and > > you don't infringe upon mine. > > THE EASY WAY IS TO DETACH IT WITH THE SPRITUAL KNOWLEDGE. > > As long as we believe in karma and re- > > birth, Jyotish will stay alive and well, irrespective of its form. > > I AGREE WITH IT ONE HUNDRED PERCENT. BRAVO..... HA, HA, HA. > > PLEASE DO NOT PUT THE WORDS IN MY MOUTH. > > > > To conclude, I thank you once more for looking at my chart. > > PLEASURE IS ALWAYS MINE. > > OM TAT SAT. > > HARI BOL....................AMAR PURI. > > > > Mukund > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > <satvac@h...> > > wrote: > > > Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir, > > > > > > Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply as > > well > > > as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826, > 9838 > > > and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to > > > disagree. There is no problem for any body using any concept as > > > long as one can identify the problems and get the straight answer > > to > > > it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified the > > exact > > > problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the > > message > > > numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not in > the > > > concept, there is nothing I can do. > > > > > > I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to the > > seeker > > > of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has any > > > control over it but the seeker. > > > > > > OM TAT SAT. > > > > > > With my best wishes............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > <monmuk111> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems > Approach > > > (SA) > > > > to analyze my horoscope. > > > > > > > > Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a great > > > > benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great > malefic. > > > > > > > > In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and Rahu > > > appears > > > > to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya, you've > > > > attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my life > > > during > > > > Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to > > Saturn's > > > > funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of Mars > > > > rather than transit Ketu. > > > > > > > > Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my > enemies > > > > have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign" > > > > people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced > GREAT > > > > sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go hand > > in > > > > hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars- > Rahu, > > I > > > > received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a > personal > > > > bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc. > > > > > > > > Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role than > > > negative- > > > > -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher > > learning? > > > > Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the > usual > > > > hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a new > > > > culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however, my > > major > > > > goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here > too, > > > Rahu > > > > was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical dictum > or > > > Rahu > > > > in 6th from Lagna. > > > > > > > > If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible experiences > > rather > > > > than what I described in the preceding paragraph. > > > > > > > > I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life experience > > > during > > > > Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT the > > > Systems > > > > Approach dictums. > > > > > > > > In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I neither > > > > commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment > classical > > > > dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new > > dictums > > > > that differ from the classical somuch that they even re- define > > > > functionality of planets for various Ascendants. > > > > > > > > I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart. > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter appended > > below > > > > > your message. > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the analysis. > > > > > > > > > > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME. > > > > > > > > > > Here is my feedback: > > > > > > > > > > > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent most > of > > > my > > > > US > > > > > > time in San Francisco area. > > > > > > > > > > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY > CLEARLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford > > University > > > > in > > > > > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so changed > my > > > > major > > > > > to > > > > > > Finance as a cheaper University. > > > > > > > > > > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST > > MALEFIC > > > > > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY. > ALSO, > > I > > > > > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU > KNOW > > > HOW. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising and > > > > > > consulting. > > > > > > > > > > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING. > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was the > 2nd > > > > worst > > > > > > period of my life; > > > > > > > > > > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE MAIN > > > PERIOD > > > > OF > > > > > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD GAVE > YOU > > > > SOME > > > > > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE RAHU > AND > > > > KETU. > > > > > > > > > > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89) > > > > > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic > experiences.- > > - > > > > > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission > into > > a > > > > good > > > > > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that I > > > didn't > > > > > have > > > > > > food to eat. > > > > > > > > > > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU > > > (SEPT.89 - > > > > > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE AND > > RAHU > > > > FROM > > > > > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF FOREIGN > > > > > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH > > > DIFFICULTIES > > > > > AS MENTIONED BY YOU. > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems > > > Approach? > > > > > > > > > > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO ASCENDANT,SATURN > > > > BECOMES > > > > > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET. > > > > > > > > > > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life, emotionally > and > > > > > > financially I was at a breaking point during this period. > > > > > > > > > > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES > > WAS > > > > VERY > > > > > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF > EMOTIONS) > > > IN > > > > > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE > > > SECONDARY > > > > > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION > > > DEMONSTRATED > > > > > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING POINT > > > DURING > > > > > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic > Venus > > as > > > > > every > > > > > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and enemies > > > > > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who > live > > in > > > > > > India) go through a GREAT time. > > > > > > > > > > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT > > WEAKENED > > > > DUE > > > > > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA OF > > > > JUPITER, > > > > > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE TRANSIT > > > > > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS, MARS, > RAHU > > > AND > > > > > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR > IT. > > > > > > > > > > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS > MARS/MOON > > > > > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005 > > > > > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE > MALEFICS > > > AND > > > > > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS. > > > > > > > > > > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "amarpuri2004" > > > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hello dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great > > > personality,a > > > > > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my post to > > > you. > > > > > > From > > > > > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring > knowledge, > > > you > > > > > > have > > > > > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that > period. > > > > > > Ofcourse, > > > > > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for pursuing > your > > > > > career > > > > > > > and settle your life there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial > field > > > and > > > > > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good > start > > > but > > > > > not > > > > > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult > period > > > > during > > > > > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of malefic > > > > Mars/Sun > > > > > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct., 2004 > > the > > > > sub > > > > > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most > > Malefic > > > > > Venus > > > > > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls the > > 2nd > > > > > house > > > > > > of > > > > > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most benefic > > Saturn > > > > > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and 5h. > > > assure > > > > > you > > > > > > a > > > > > > > good family and future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate Rahu, > > Ketu, > > > > Mars > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun (old > > age), > > > > > Moon > > > > > > (a > > > > > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely > conjuncted > > > by > > > > > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better > result. > > > > Saturn > > > > > > is > > > > > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your > > horoscope. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > you like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Amar: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in my > > > chart. > > > > > Even > > > > > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally > > unafflicted, > > > > but > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I > > consider > > > > 9th > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in > Shukla- > > > > > > paksha. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house aspect > > from > > > > the > > > > > > 6th > > > > > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my birts > > > > details: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through > > > Badhakesh > > > > > and > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th lord > > > > results > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > badhak results. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began badahk > > and > > > > 9th > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th lord/badhak > > dasa > > > > > begin, > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel NEAR > > > downtown > > > > > San > > > > > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property > > development > > > > > > company > > > > > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before the > > 9th > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone > pulled > > a > > > > gun > > > > > on > > > > > > > him > > > > > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "amarpuri2004" > > > > > > > <satvac@h...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > > > planets/Badhakesh- > > > > - > > > > > > how > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone > > through > > > > the > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > > > Jyotishas > > > > had > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa > > as > > > it > > > > > was > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned > success > > > > during > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR > > > > HOROSCOPE > > > > > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT THE > > MOON > > > > IS > > > > > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY TYPE > OF > > > > > > > AFFLICTION > > > > > > > > IN > > > > > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL CONCEPT) > > WHICH > > > > > > > INDICATES > > > > > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO POST > > YOUR > > > > > BIRTH > > > > > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF YOU > SO > > > > > DESIRE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "monmuk111" > > > > > > > > <monmuk111> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Nandini: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make this > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > KSY > > > > > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have KSY. > > Your > > > > > friend > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than anything > > > else > > > > in > > > > > > > > his/her > > > > > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out > there > > > > point > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the > conjuct > > > > planet > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to no > > such > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA > > > discussion > > > > > > group, > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would have > > asked > > > me > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > quote > > > > > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish is > to > > > > > closely > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique > > attributes > > > as > > > > > KSY > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > 3 > > > > > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in > their > > > > lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are > obessesed > > > > with > > > > > > > > quoting > > > > > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it is > for > > us > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these dictum > > > come > > > > > true > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak > > > > planets/Badhakesh-- > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone > > > through > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord. > > > > Jyotishas > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon > mahadasa > > > as > > > > it > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned > > success > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , "kakan_leo" > > > > > > > > > <kakan_leo> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting > > Jupiter > > > > > > > > conjuncting > > > > > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri. > > > > > > > > > > > One other point. > > > > > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you advise > to > > > take > > > > > > into > > > > > > > > > > account > > > > > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to > > > determine > > > > > > > whether > > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not? > > > > > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of money > > for > > > a > > > > > > yantra > > > > > > > > > given > > > > > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is completely > > > > > convinced > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the > > > attitude, > > > > > that > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is > > damaging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Nandini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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