Mukund horoscope - ATTN. TANVIR & MUKUND

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Hello dear Mukund and Tanvir,

 

Hare Krishna. There seems to be a contradictions in the reply as well

as believe of Mukund as stated in his messages No.9817, 9826, 9838

and 9841 about the traditional concept to which he agrees to

disagree. There is no problem for any body using any concept as

long as one can identify the problems and get the straight answer to

it. If any one may read my messages carefully I identified the exact

problems through SA concept to which it was agreed as in the message

numbers mentioned above. Now, any one can believe it or not in the

concept, there is nothing I can do.

 

I give my sincere advice to all. After that, it is up to the seeker

of the advice how s/he does deal with it to which no one has any

control over it but the seeker.

 

OM TAT SAT.

 

With my best wishes............Amar Puri.

 

 

 

, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Hello Amar:

>

> Yep, you confirmed my doubt that you were using Systems Approach

(SA)

> to analyze my horoscope.

>

> Amar, I've studied SA and under this approach Saturn is a great

> benefic for Scorpio Langa (ascendant) and Rahu is a great malefic.

>

> In my own case Saturn appears to be a great malefic and Rahu

appears

> to be a benefic which doesn't jive at all with SA. Ya, you've

> attempted to explain why I had the worst experience in my life

during

> Mars-Saturn; however, I feel that bad results were due to Saturn's

> funcionality (functional malefic) and being great enemy of Mars

> rather than transit Ketu.

>

> Every time I've gone through Rahu antar or pratyantar, my enemies

> have been destroyed, my connections with "foreign"

> people/things/cultures have increased and I've experienced GREAT

> sensual & exotic experiences. These experiences of mine go hand in

> hand with the classical dictums of Rahu in 6th. During Mars-Rahu, I

> received my CPA licence and I travelled the world, got a personal

> bank credit line of $130,000, etc., etc.

>

> Even during Moon-Rahu, Rahu played a more positive role than

negative-

> -which 21 year old wouldn't want to go abroad for higher learning?

> Rahu fulfilled my dream of going abroad. Ya, there were the usual

> hardships of being separated from my family, adjusting to a new

> culture and climate, dealing with lack of funds; however, my major

> goal of going abroad was accomplished due to Rahu. So, here too,

Rahu

> was more benefic than malefic which fits the classical dictum or

Rahu

> in 6th from Lagna.

>

> If we use SA, Rahu should have given me horrible experiences rather

> than what I described in the preceding paragraph.

>

> I have similar experience with Saturn, i.e. my life experience

during

> Saturn antar/pratyanter fit the classical dictums and NOT the

Systems

> Approach dictums.

>

> In any case, SA may work for some and not for others. I neither

> commend nor condem Systems Approach. I test/experiment classical

> dictums, but I am just not comfortable INVENTING brand new dictums

> that differ from the classical somuch that they even re-define

> functionality of planets for various Ascendants.

>

> I thank you for the time you've taken to analyze my chart.

>

> Mukund

>

> , "amarpuri2004"

<satvac@h...>

> wrote:

> > Hello dear Mukund,

> >

> > Hare Krishna. Please read my reply in CAP. letter appended below

> > your message.

> >

> > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> >

> >

> > , "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Hello Amar:

> > >

> > > Thank you for the analysis.

> >

> > YOU ARE QUITE WELCOME.

> >

> > Here is my feedback:

> > >

> > > I currently live in Seattle, USA; however, I've spent most of

my

> US

> > > time in San Francisco area.

> >

> > YES, FOREIGN RESIDENCE, IT DOES SHOW IN YOUR CHART VERY CLEARLY.

> > >

> > > Was an engineering student in India, joined Stanford University

> in

> > > the US, couldn't keep up due to lack of tution so changed my

> major

> > to

> > > Finance as a cheaper University.

> >

> > YES, AS I SAID IN MY POST THAT IT WAS ALL DUE TO THE MOST MALEFIC

> > PERIOD OF VENUS, YOU ACQUIRED KNOWLEDGE WITH DIFFICULTY. ALSO, I

> > RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE MALEFIC VENUS. I AM SURE YOU KNOW

HOW.

> > >

> > > Yes, I'm in the finance field, primary work is advising and

> > > consulting.

> >

> > SO, IT CONFIRMS EXACTLY WITH MY READING.

> > >

> > > Once again you're right--September 89 to Feb. 91 was the 2nd

> worst

> > > period of my life;

> >

> > BECAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU IN THE MAIN

PERIOD

> OF

> > MOON WHICH STARTED GOOD BUT DURING THE RAHU SUB PERIOD GAVE YOU

> SOME

> > CHALLENGES. THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE RAHU AND

> KETU.

> >

> > however, this EXACT period (beginning Sept.89)

> > > also took me abroad and went through some exotic experiences.--

> > > Unusual period, brought me abroad and gave me admission into a

> good

> > > school and later a scholarship, but I was so poor that I

didn't

> > have

> > > food to eat.

> >

> > AS I SAID ABOVE, YOU WERE RUNNING THE SUB PERIOD OF RAHU

(SEPT.89 -

> > FEB. 91)WHICH IS ONE OF THE KARKA FOR FOREIGN RESIDENCE AND RAHU

> FROM

> > ITS NATAL POSITION ASPECTS YOUR NATAL MOON IN 10H OF FOREIGN

> > RESIDENCE WHICH BROUGHT YOU ABORAD OBVIOUSLY BUT WITH

DIFFICULTIES

> > AS MENTIONED BY YOU.

> > >

> > > Why do you say Saturn is benefic? Are you using Systems

Approach?

> >

> > YES, AS PER GUIDE LINES OF SA, FOR SCOROPIO ASCENDANT,SATURN

> BECOMES

> > THE MOST BENEFIC PLANET.

> >

> > > Mars-Saturn was the worst period of my life, emotionally and

> > > financially I was at a breaking point during this period.

> >

> > NATURALLY, BECAUSE TRANSIT KETU OPERATING FROM 12H OF LOSSES WAS

> VERY

> > CLOSELY AFFLICTING THE TRANSIT SATURN (RULER OF 5H OF EMOTIONS)

IN

> > GEMINI SIGN OF VENTURE AND INITIATIVES WITH MERCURY (THE

SECONDARY

> > KARKA OF INCOME) OCCUPYING THE 8 HOUSE OF OBSTRUCTION

DEMONSTRATED

> > THE SITUATION OF FINANCIALLY AND EMOTIONALLY BREAKING POINT

DURING

> > THAT PERIOD IN THE MAIN PERIOD OF MALEFIC MARS.

> > >

> > > Jupiter may not be as afflicted by funcionally malefic Venus as

> > every

> > > time I go through a Jupiter antardasa, problems and enemies

> > > miraculously vanish and I (including my mon and dad who live in

> > > India) go through a GREAT time.

> >

> > AS I SAID EARLIER IN MY POST THAT JUPITER IS EXALTED BUT WEAKENED

> DUE

> > TO THE CONJUNCTION WITH THE MALEFIC VENUS. IN ANTARDASA OF

> JUPITER,

> > THE GURU HAS TO GIVE YOU GOOD RESULT BUT DURING THE TRANSIT

> > AFFLICTION TO JUPITER BY THE MALEFICS SUCH AS VENUS, MARS, RAHU

AND

> > KETU WILL BRING SET BACKS IN YOUR LIFE. PLEASE WATCH FOR IT.

> >

> > NEXT MAY 2005, RAHU MAIN PERIOD WILL BEGIN AS SOON AS MARS/MOON

> > PERIOD END ON APRIL, 2005

> > THAT IS WHY I STRONGLY RECOMMEND YOU TO PROPITIATE THE MALEFICS

AND

> > STRENGTHEN THE WEAK BENEFIC PLANETS.

> >

> > HOPE IT HELPS TO CLEAR YOUR DOUBTS. OM TAT SAT.

> > >

> > > Mukund

> >

> >

> > HARI BOL.....................AMAR PURI.

> > >

> > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > <satvac@h...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Hello dear Mukund,

> > > >

> > > > Hare Krishna. No doubt, you are yourself a great

personality,a

> > > > spiritual person, as I mentioned else where in my post to

you.

> > > From

> > > > the time of your birth till 1981 while acquiring knowledge,

you

> > > have

> > > > learned a lot with lots of challenging during that period.

> > > Ofcourse,

> > > > you left your birth place to go to abroad for pursuing your

> > career

> > > > and settle your life there.

> > > >

> > > > Which part of the world, you are living, Mukund ?

> > > >

> > > > You are a good Advisor, Administrator, in a financial field

and

> > > > spiritual field as well. Your Moon period was a good start

but

> > not

> > > > all. You have had a manageable some what difficult period

> during

> > > > Sept.89 - Feb.91. Now you are in the period of malefic

> Mars/Sun

> > > > which is not as good as the Moon period and in Oct., 2004 the

> sub

> > > > period of Moon will begin which looks very promising.

> > > >

> > > > By the way, the Guru is exalted but conjuncting Most Malefic

> > Venus

> > > > which renders week. Nevertheless, the Guru controls the 2nd

> > house

> > > of

> > > > family and 5th house of children in which Most benefic Saturn

> > > > occupies besides the close aspects on the Asdt. and 5h.

assure

> > you

> > > a

> > > > good family and future.

> > > >

> > > > My suggestion is to you that you must propitiate Rahu, Ketu,

> Mars

> > > and

> > > > Venus and strengthen weak benefic planets i.e. Sun (old age),

> > Moon

> > > (a

> > > > little afflicted by Rahu), and Jupiter (closely conjuncted

by

> > > > malefic Venus)in order to get the enhanced better result.

> Saturn

> > > is

> > > > very well situated. No need to strengthen Saturn.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Well, this is little short basic eassy about your horoscope.

> > Hope

> > > > you like it.

> > > >

> > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > <monmuk111>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Hello Amar:

> > > > >

> > > > > You're correct, Moon is the most benefic planet in my

chart.

> > Even

> > > > > Jupiter the 5th lord is a benefic and totally unafflicted,

> but

> > > the

> > > > > reason I say that Moon the most benefic because I consider

> 9th

> > > lord

> > > > a

> > > > > higher benefic than the 5th lord. Moon is also in Shukla-

> > > paksha.

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon, however is afflicted by Rahu's 9th house aspect from

> the

> > > 6th

> > > > > house. If you want a clearer picture, here are my birts

> details:

> > > > >

> > > > > Amar, I've specifically chased people going through

Badhakesh

> > and

> > > > 9th

> > > > > lord mahadasa and they seem to have prominent 9th lord

> results

> > > than

> > > > > badhak results.

> > > > >

> > > > > --I'm currently observing my cousin in who began badahk and

> 9th

> > > > lord

> > > > > mahadasa four years back. Just as the 9th lord/badhak dasa

> > begin,

> > > > he

> > > > > sold his run-down/crack-cocain/whorehouse hotel NEAR

downtown

> > San

> > > > > Francisco for 14 million dollars to a property development

> > > company

> > > > > and now runs one Ramada and one Holiday-Inn. Before the 9th

> > lord

> > > > > mahadasa begin, his life was miserable as someone pulled a

> gun

> > on

> > > > him

> > > > > almost every week, now he is a multi-millioner.

> > > > >

> > > > > June 14, 1967; 5.29 pm; Bombay, India.

> > > > >

> > > > > Mukund

> > > > >

> > > > > , "amarpuri2004"

> > > > <satvac@h...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Mukund,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare Krishna. You wrote ;

> > > > > >

> > > > > > "One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

planets/Badhakesh-

> -

> > > how

> > > > can

> > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone through

> the

> > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord.

Jyotishas

> had

> > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa as

it

> > was

> > > > the

> > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned success

> during

> > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa."

> > > > > >

> > > > > > MY ANSWER TO THE ABOVE IS THAT WITHOUT KNOWING YOUR

> HOROSCOPE

> > > > > > DETAILS, IT APPEARS FROM YOUR MESSAGE ABOVE THAT THE MOON

> IS

> > > > > > CERTAINLY A BENEFIC PLANET AND IS FREE FROM ANY TYPE OF

> > > > AFFLICTION

> > > > > IN

> > > > > > YOUR CHART (WITHOUT APPLYING ANY CLASSICAL CONCEPT) WHICH

> > > > INDICATES

> > > > > > SUCH SUCCESS. PLEASE CONFIRM AND FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR

> > BIRTH

> > > > > > DETAILS FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC, IF YOU SO

> > DESIRE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "monmuk111"

> > > > > <monmuk111>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Hello Nandini:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Conjunction is a conjunction and that'll make this

> > horoscope

> > > > KSY

> > > > > > > FREE, I'm convinced your friend DOESN'T have KSY. Your

> > friend

> > > > is

> > > > > > > likely to experience the Rajyogs more than anything

else

> in

> > > > > his/her

> > > > > > > horoscope. I'm aware that a LOT of Jyotish out there

> point

> > to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > degrees and say that a KSY is present if the conjuct

> planet

> > > to

> > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > or Ketu falls within the degree. I prescribe to no such

> > > > bullshit.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --But, this is my personal opinion. At the VA

discussion

> > > group,

> > > > > if

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > had made this statement, 20 Jyotishas would have asked

me

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > > quote

> > > > > > > from the classics. But, the way I learn Jyotish is to

> > closely

> > > > > > follow

> > > > > > > lives of 15-20 individuals with some unique attributes

as

> > KSY

> > > > or

> > > > > 3

> > > > > > > exhalted plantes, etc. and see what happens in their

> lives.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Some Jyotishs like the ones on VA group are obessesed

> with

> > > > > quoting

> > > > > > > the classics. Classics give us the dictum, it is for us

> to

> > > > > > > experiment, adjudicate and conclude if these dictum

come

> > true

> > > > or

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > a big heap of bull-crap.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One such dictum is the concept of Badhak

> planets/Badhakesh--

> > > how

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > 9th lord be a trouble giving planet???? I've gone

through

> > the

> > > > > > > mahadasa of Moon, the badakesh and the 9th lord.

> Jyotishas

> > > had

> > > > > > > predicted the my life will be ruined in Moon mahadasa

as

> it

> > > was

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > Badhakesh, but I had unimaginable and unplanned success

> > > during

> > > > > > > Moon/9th lord/Badhakesh mahadasa.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mukund

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "kakan_leo"

> > > > > > <kakan_leo>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Mukund ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarifications. I am getting Jupiter

> > > > > conjuncting

> > > > > > > Rahu

> > > > > > > > in 6th house as well using Jalpaiguri.

> > > > > > > > One other point.

> > > > > > > > In case of such conjunctions, would you advise to

take

> > > into

> > > > > > > account

> > > > > > > > the exact degree of the conjuncting planet to

determine

> > > > whether

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > hemmed in between Rahu and ketu or not?

> > > > > > > > This person by the way has spent a lot of money for

a

> > > yantra

> > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > by some 'expert' in such yogas and is completely

> > convinced

> > > > that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > has the yoga. More than the money, it is the

attitude,

> > that

> > > > > such

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis brings in a native, that is damaging.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Nandini.