Shri Choudhary, Is BRIBERY a NOBLE Act according to you?

August 30, 2004

Is BRIBERY a NOBLE Act according to SA?

Dear Prof and List,

Let me start by saying, I was bewildered, and wondered momentarily

in an utter state of distrust after coming in contact with an

outlandish answer in your post 32904

"YES, THERE ARE. THESE WERE ADVISED FOR A FORMER PM AND HE COULD

COMPLETE HIS FULL TERM IN SPITE OF A MINIORITY GOVT AND HIS

INVOLVEMENT IN A BRIBERY CASE".

I couldn't believe what I was reading when you said that "you

indeed aided and abetted the ex-PM of India in BRIBERY and from

facing JUSTICE".

As I have understood, Bribery is a corrupt practice of inducing a

person to act contrary to accepted or moral behavior, by promising

or giving a reward or inducement, often a financial one. I am not

sure how you, your disciples and SA define this decadent act called

Bribery.

Prof , shame on you for saying you did what you did and

that too to say it proudly. For heaven sake, there isn't anything

to be proud of in helping a criminal. Or do you and your SATVA &

SAMVA members feel otherwise? Mind you, you actually did such a

heinous act and I am indeed appalled at your attitude. Even to think

of it, it is despicable for a world renowned man like yourself

claiming to practice perhaps the most noblest of science indulging

in assisting a criminal to escape the law and face justice via your

so-called "SPIRITUAL MOMENTOS"!

But do you know what really took me "off guard"? Do you

really want know, Prof ? It was your subsequent reply to

Mr. Steve. You indeed had the audacity to outline the prerequisite

or qualifications for the Kavach Engraver to Mr. Steve in your post

32929 as "THE KAVACH ENGRAVER/PROVIDER SHOULD LEAD DIVINE WAY OF

LIFE. HE/SHE SHOULD AVOID INDULGENCE IN GREED, LUST, ANGER, VANITY

AND PRACTICE MEDITATION, GENEROSITY, KINDNESS, PATIENCE, SINCERITY

AND HONESTY."

Again in your post 32953, you have also reiterated by saying that

indeed the conduct of the Kavach Makers is paramount to the efficacy

of these metal pieces. Moreover, you committed yourself further into

the act of aid and abetting the scandalous activity of bribery by

personally supervising the making of these metal miracles! Indeed

the law of any land would view you just as it would of the criminals

who indulged in the act bribery, no two ways about it, Prof V K

Choudhry!

Actually to think of it, you really crack me up, Prof !

Now you tell me, how on earth an individual (Kavach Engraver)

practicing such discipline, austerities, and piousness as outlined

by you, could ever help a CRIMINAL (it does not matter if s/he is

the PM of India or the President of US of A) whose rightful place

would be the CENTRAL JAIL in New Delhi? How?

You surely seem to possess a skewed sense of logic and religiosity,

Prof ! This you really do! Go ahead and try convincing

me otherwise. Also, please teach your "enlightened" members

how to reconcile both these statements of yours. Could you, Prof V K

Choudhry?

The state of having COURAGE and INTEGRITY is not to be found in your

moral fabric. Sadly, not at all! Every man who has both these

qualities owns up or concedes when they fail, they really do! But

you go on saying this "If you think my prediction is miles away,

I have no problem". It looks like you have a serious problem

here. Didn't it occur to you or to your "enlightened"

members that I was stating a FACT and NOT sharing my thoughts with

you? Didn't it? Prof you claimed that you predicted

Mrs. Sonia Gandhi would become the PM of India once and the truth is

she DID NOT this time around. Now tell me, what my thinking got to

do with this glaring FACT? Can you?

Anyway, kindly check with your students who are in the legal

profession, "what constitutes a criminal offence and how does the

act of aid and abetting fares in the equation". This you must!

Perhaps, they would be able to advise you judiciously, if they have

not yet lost their sense of legality.

Prof , you are a very highly acclaimed and world

renowned man in the field of astrology. Now, could you please tell

us all, what is your real motivation? What is it? To make money? To

SAVE CRIMINALS who are in high office? To Redefine Religiosity? To

introduce a set of New Human Values for the 21st century? Or to

teach the noble science of astrology? Now what?

Prof , are you aware of what you are saying, to begin

with? Are you? Being aware is the first step towards being Self

Conscious; do you know this Prof ? Whom do you think you

are kidding, if not yourself?

Let me tell you this Prof , if the statement in your

reply (post 32904) is permissible in the courts of law, you could

indeed end up in jail. Ignorance of the law is no defense in any

court of law, mind you. For God sake, at least be mindful of the

legal consequence of what you say even if doesn't make any moral

sense, will you?

My request to you, please have a real hard look at your thought

process and kindly revisit the thing called CONSCIENCE. This is only

for those who have one!

May God bless you and I hope that the Almighty enables you to clear

up the "cob webs" that has badly cloaked your SIGHT! I indeed

wish you luck in this regard!

Awaiting your revolutionary discourse on New Spirituality aka

BRIBERISM!

Regards.

PS. FYKI Prof , BRIBERY, is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE in the

civilized world and so it has been defined in every country that has

a flag to its name. Please tell me if it is otherwise in India,

okay? Prof , I have appended below the legal definition

of the act called BRIBERY according to the Criminal Law, for your

kind attention. The aid and abetting part, kindly check with your

lawyer friends, okay?

BRIBERY – Criminal Law.

1) The receiving or offering any undue reward by or to any person

whomsoever, whose ordinary profession or business relates to the

administration of public justice, in order to influence his

behaviour in office, and to incline him to act contrary to his duty

and the known rules of honesty and integrity. 3 Inst. 149; 1 Hawk.

P. C. 67, s. 2 4 Bl. Com.139; 1 Russ. Cr.156.

2) The term bribery extends now further, and includes the offence of

giving a bribe to many other officers. The offence of the giver and

of the receiver of the bribe has the same name. For the sake of

distinction, that of the former, viz: the briber, might be properly

denominated active. Bribery; while that of the latter, viz: the

person bribed, might be called passive bribery.

3) Bribery at elections for members of parliament, has always been a

crime at common law, and punishable by indictment or information. It

still remains so in England notwithstanding the stat. 24 Geo. H. c.

14 3 Burr. 1340, 1589. To constitute the offence, it is not

necessary that the person bribed should, in fact, vote as solicited

to do 3 Burr. 1236; or even that he should have a right to vote at

all both are entirely immaterial. 3 Bur. 1590-1.

4) An attempt to bribe, though unsuccessful, has been holden to be

criminal, and the offender may be indicted. 2 Dall. 384; 4 Burr.

2500 3 Inst. 147; 2 Campb. R. 229; 2 Wash. 88; 1 Virg. Cas. 138; 2

Virg. Cas. 460.

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August 30, 2004

Dear Astrovedic90,

Please identify yourself and your purpose, if any, for the posting of

the message below by you.

With best wishes...............Amar Puri.

, "astrovedic90"

<astrovedic90> wrote:

> Is BRIBERY a NOBLE Act according to SA?

>

> Dear Prof and List,

>

> Let me start by saying, I was bewildered, and wondered momentarily

> in an utter state of distrust after coming in contact with an

> outlandish answer in your post 32904

>

> "YES, THERE ARE. THESE WERE ADVISED FOR A FORMER PM AND HE COULD

> COMPLETE HIS FULL TERM IN SPITE OF A MINIORITY GOVT AND HIS

> INVOLVEMENT IN A BRIBERY CASE".

>

> I couldn't believe what I was reading when you said that "you

> indeed aided and abetted the ex-PM of India in BRIBERY and from

> facing JUSTICE".

>

> As I have understood, Bribery is a corrupt practice of inducing a

> person to act contrary to accepted or moral behavior, by promising

> or giving a reward or inducement, often a financial one. I am not

> sure how you, your disciples and SA define this decadent act called

> Bribery.

>

> Prof , shame on you for saying you did what you did and

> that too to say it proudly. For heaven sake, there isn't anything

> to be proud of in helping a criminal. Or do you and your SATVA &

> SAMVA members feel otherwise? Mind you, you actually did such a

> heinous act and I am indeed appalled at your attitude. Even to

think

> of it, it is despicable for a world renowned man like yourself

> claiming to practice perhaps the most noblest of science indulging

> in assisting a criminal to escape the law and face justice via your

> so-called "SPIRITUAL MOMENTOS"!

>

> But do you know what really took me "off guard"? Do you

> really want know, Prof ? It was your subsequent reply

to

> Mr. Steve. You indeed had the audacity to outline the prerequisite

> or qualifications for the Kavach Engraver to Mr. Steve in your post

> 32929 as "THE KAVACH ENGRAVER/PROVIDER SHOULD LEAD DIVINE WAY OF

> LIFE. HE/SHE SHOULD AVOID INDULGENCE IN GREED, LUST, ANGER, VANITY

> AND PRACTICE MEDITATION, GENEROSITY, KINDNESS, PATIENCE, SINCERITY

> AND HONESTY."

>

> Again in your post 32953, you have also reiterated by saying that

> indeed the conduct of the Kavach Makers is paramount to the

efficacy

> of these metal pieces. Moreover, you committed yourself further

into

> the act of aid and abetting the scandalous activity of bribery by

> personally supervising the making of these metal miracles! Indeed

> the law of any land would view you just as it would of the

criminals

> who indulged in the act bribery, no two ways about it, Prof V K

> Choudhry!

>

> Actually to think of it, you really crack me up, Prof !

>

> Now you tell me, how on earth an individual (Kavach Engraver)

> practicing such discipline, austerities, and piousness as outlined

> by you, could ever help a CRIMINAL (it does not matter if s/he is

> the PM of India or the President of US of A) whose rightful place

> would be the CENTRAL JAIL in New Delhi? How?

>

> You surely seem to possess a skewed sense of logic and religiosity,

> Prof ! This you really do! Go ahead and try convincing

> me otherwise. Also, please teach your "enlightened" members

> how to reconcile both these statements of yours. Could you, Prof V

K

> Choudhry?

>

> The state of having COURAGE and INTEGRITY is not to be found in

your

> moral fabric. Sadly, not at all! Every man who has both these

> qualities owns up or concedes when they fail, they really do! But

> you go on saying this "If you think my prediction is miles away,

> I have no problem". It looks like you have a serious problem

> here. Didn't it occur to you or to your "enlightened"

> members that I was stating a FACT and NOT sharing my thoughts with

> you? Didn't it? Prof you claimed that you predicted

> Mrs. Sonia Gandhi would become the PM of India once and the truth

is

> she DID NOT this time around. Now tell me, what my thinking got to

> do with this glaring FACT? Can you?

>

> Anyway, kindly check with your students who are in the legal

> profession, "what constitutes a criminal offence and how does the

> act of aid and abetting fares in the equation". This you must!

> Perhaps, they would be able to advise you judiciously, if they have

> not yet lost their sense of legality.

>

> Prof , you are a very highly acclaimed and world

> renowned man in the field of astrology. Now, could you please tell

> us all, what is your real motivation? What is it? To make money? To

> SAVE CRIMINALS who are in high office? To Redefine Religiosity? To

> introduce a set of New Human Values for the 21st century? Or to

> teach the noble science of astrology? Now what?

>

> Prof , are you aware of what you are saying, to begin

> with? Are you? Being aware is the first step towards being Self

> Conscious; do you know this Prof ? Whom do you think

you

> are kidding, if not yourself?

>

> Let me tell you this Prof , if the statement in your

> reply (post 32904) is permissible in the courts of law, you could

> indeed end up in jail. Ignorance of the law is no defense in any

> court of law, mind you. For God sake, at least be mindful of the

> legal consequence of what you say even if doesn't make any moral

> sense, will you?

>

> My request to you, please have a real hard look at your thought

> process and kindly revisit the thing called CONSCIENCE. This is

only

> for those who have one!

>

> May God bless you and I hope that the Almighty enables you to clear

> up the "cob webs" that has badly cloaked your SIGHT! I indeed

> wish you luck in this regard!

>

> Awaiting your revolutionary discourse on New Spirituality aka

> BRIBERISM!

>

> Regards.

>

> PS. FYKI Prof , BRIBERY, is a CRIMINAL OFFENCE in the

> civilized world and so it has been defined in every country that

has

> a flag to its name. Please tell me if it is otherwise in India,

> okay? Prof , I have appended below the legal definition

> of the act called BRIBERY according to the Criminal Law, for your

> kind attention. The aid and abetting part, kindly check with your

> lawyer friends, okay?

>

> BRIBERY – Criminal Law.

> 1) The receiving or offering any undue reward by or to any person

> whomsoever, whose ordinary profession or business relates to the

> administration of public justice, in order to influence his

> behaviour in office, and to incline him to act contrary to his duty

> and the known rules of honesty and integrity. 3 Inst. 149; 1 Hawk.

> P. C. 67, s. 2 4 Bl. Com.139; 1 Russ. Cr.156.

> 2) The term bribery extends now further, and includes the offence

of

> giving a bribe to many other officers. The offence of the giver and

> of the receiver of the bribe has the same name. For the sake of

> distinction, that of the former, viz: the briber, might be properly

> denominated active. Bribery; while that of the latter, viz: the

> person bribed, might be called passive bribery.

> 3) Bribery at elections for members of parliament, has always been

a

> crime at common law, and punishable by indictment or information.

It

> still remains so in England notwithstanding the stat. 24 Geo. H. c.

> 14 3 Burr. 1340, 1589. To constitute the offence, it is not

> necessary that the person bribed should, in fact, vote as solicited

> to do 3 Burr. 1236; or even that he should have a right to vote at

> all both are entirely immaterial. 3 Bur. 1590-1.

> 4) An attempt to bribe, though unsuccessful, has been holden to be

> criminal, and the offender may be indicted. 2 Dall. 384; 4 Burr.

> 2500 3 Inst. 147; 2 Campb. R. 229; 2 Wash. 88; 1 Virg. Cas. 138; 2

> Virg. Cas. 460.

>

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August 30, 2004

The author of this post.

I don't know exactly who VK Choudhry is, but I think he is the fellow

who invented Systems Approach.

This is the Jyotish Remedies group. Post your slanderous notes on VK

Choudhry's list.

You may have mixed up the Choudhrys. This list belongs to Tanvir

Choudhry located in Bangladesh. VK Choudhry I believe is from New

Delhi.

Mukund