Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 >>Astrology is 100% right. Any astrologer's judgements or errors may vary from 0% to 100%.<< I agree with Inder Ji 100% here. Astrology is 100% correct but to gain this % one has to be skilled. Now is astrology is a science, or is it an arts? None of them alone. Astrology IS a science because the positions of planets are not made up but scientific, and we need the exact positions using good ayanamsa, good ephemeris etc etc, and a wrong position would not work. Also experience shows astrology can tell the natives life and other things which is not possible by co incident or just guessing. So it is a science, no doubt about it. But astrology is an art also. Because astrology is not those limited kind of science that you always follow certain rules for a robot and get the true answers. To use the scientific theories in a true and effective way, you need skill, experience and talent. And you need to take different approaches based on situations but not like other sciences that even a robot can do the sum with a theory like a square plus two a b plus b square is equal to a plus b whole square, i mean a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = (a+b)^2. So a robot can not do astrology since it needs human talent, skill and using the experience in a talented manner. Same way it is very hard for softwares to predict things. So, "Astrology is a science which can be used only by arts" that is my careful conclusion after much thoughts and observations. However, sometimes I feel that calling astrology to be a science is mere insult to it. Science is created by human but astrology is created by the God. Science has it's own limitations but astrology has no limitation rather we all are limited to it and under it's power because our whole life is controlled by astrology I mean astrology is the knowledge we can know with how our lives are getting controlled. Newton and Einstein are great scientists but even then, they were scientists because astrology said so and even after being great scientists they might have personal griefs, sorrow and limitations indicated by astrology. So astrology always wins over anything. Astrology is the set of rules made by God to control our lives. It is beyond all of us and we are under it. Let me copy some lines from my site www.jyotish-remedies.com where I wrote some essays about these... "Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe. As an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it gets obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When the temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice... there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true. Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or developed by people or scientists but just was received from the God, who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe. And if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature and structure is something like that what can not be developed by human effort." The entire essay can be read from http://www.jyotish-remedies.com/necessity_of_astrology.htm At last, an engineer deals with engineerings and machines, a doctor with health and diseases, but a [true] astrologer, with LIFE. And since we all are living our LIVES so the knowledge to deal with the life in ultimate way, ie astrology, is the most precious knowledge. Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury lord_narayana http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2004 Report Share Posted August 29, 2004 I also wanted to add something, that is, the skill of astrology is very difficult to obtain because it needs some true insight and talent and some God gifted blessings. It needs a lot of studies of theories and then using own observation in a talented way to know where which theory has to be applied and in which way. It is very difficult. Also, another difficulty is that, each planet and house is controlled by a set of significations so it is something hard to say which of these significations are getting 'activated' in the chart in a question or topic. Right now I am consulting one gentleman who has a Libra Asc, Ju very strong malefic ruling houses 3rd and 6th. He entered Ju MD few years back, this explains the problems he is in. I directly said him he is suffering from clash, arguments, fights, disagreements - all 6th house matters since 6L MD is going on. He has his Su and Sa (Sa yoga karaka) in 3rd house in Ju's sign and his Ke in 6H in Ju's sign again. Matter of common sense that does not matter how good these planets are for him, they would not be able to say much now since they are in Ju's sign and the MD is of Ju and their Ads would be under Ju MD so controlled by Ju in all the ways. Now his Saturn is 4L and 5L and a Yoga Karaka alone, and even Saturn's AD under Ju MD [Ju-Sa] was bad !! I really did not think so, I thought it would be at leasty "Okay" or "Not so bad". But it was very bad. Bec Sa controlled by Ju as I said. Now I have to carefully compare which one of "Sa is a Yoga Karaka" VS "Sa controlled by Ju" is working strong here and then come to conlusion. This needs talent and experience. Then, as I said, he suffers from fights and disagreements. His boss is after him. Why so? His Sa joins Su and Sa rules people you rule, as your survant, employee etc., and Su rules boss and kings. This is very clear. But the problem is that, Sa also rules old people and Su also rules father, and for he is 11L there, he rules friends. So this is a problem to find out that 'BOSS' signification among all other significations is getting 'activated' here. So for an astrologer it is a bit tough to say EXACTLY what is happening but he can say WHAT SORT OF THINGS are happening and also if in positive or negative way. He can say which areas of life are going to be affected. Even with very fine and true research it is possible to tell which signification would work, ie boss would come forward than father and friends in this regard. But this sort of research is very tough. So telling which areas of life are going to be affected is pretty enough and can do good to mankind a lot. Two malefics in 3rd house - good for valour. But since the 3L is also the 6L and 6L MD is going on, there would be a loss of valour, we understand if we think it carefully. So, he would loss valour means he would loss the authority and control over the environment he moves around - when boss is after you, you can imagine so! This was because for the Boss trouble [sa+Su] was in 3rd house of valour so this causes loss of control and valour as well. Thanks everyone for reading. Best wishes, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury lord_narayana http://www.jyotish-remedies.com - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Sunday, August 29, 2004 10:52 PM About astrology (Agree to Inder Ji) >>Astrology is 100% right. Any astrologer's judgements or errors may vary from 0% to 100%.<< I agree with Inder Ji 100% here. Astrology is 100% correct but to gain this % one has to be skilled. Now is astrology is a science, or is it an arts? None of them alone. Astrology IS a science because the positions of planets are not made up but scientific, and we need the exact positions using good ayanamsa, good ephemeris etc etc, and a wrong position would not work. Also experience shows astrology can tell the natives life and other things which is not possible by co incident or just guessing. So it is a science, no doubt about it. But astrology is an art also. Because astrology is not those limited kind of science that you always follow certain rules for a robot and get the true answers. To use the scientific theories in a true and effective way, you need skill, experience and talent. And you need to take different approaches based on situations but not like other sciences that even a robot can do the sum with a theory like a square plus two a b plus b square is equal to a plus b whole square, i mean a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = (a+b)^2. So a robot can not do astrology since it needs human talent, skill and using the experience in a talented manner. Same way it is very hard for softwares to predict things. So, "Astrology is a science which can be used only by arts" that is my careful conclusion after much thoughts and observations. However, sometimes I feel that calling astrology to be a science is mere insult to it. Science is created by human but astrology is created by the God. Science has it's own limitations but astrology has no limitation rather we all are limited to it and under it's power because our whole life is controlled by astrology I mean astrology is the knowledge we can know with how our lives are getting controlled. Newton and Einstein are great scientists but even then, they were scientists because astrology said so and even after being great scientists they might have personal griefs, sorrow and limitations indicated by astrology. So astrology always wins over anything. Astrology is the set of rules made by God to control our lives. It is beyond all of us and we are under it. Let me copy some lines from my site www.jyotish-remedies.com where I wrote some essays about these... "Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe. As an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it gets obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When the temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice... there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true. Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he r eceived the knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or developed by people or scientists but just was received from the God, who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe. And if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature and structure is something like that what can not be developed by human effort." The entire essay can be read from http://www.jyotish-remedies.com/necessity_of_astrology.htm At last, an engineer deals with engineerings and machines, a doctor with health and diseases, but a [true] astrologer, with LIFE. And since we all are living our LIVES so the knowledge to deal with the life in ultimate way, ie astrology, is the most precious knowledge. Thanks, Tanvir. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury lord_narayana http://www.jyotish-remedies.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2004 Report Share Posted August 30, 2004 Yes dear Tanvirji, This percentage figures being qouted by several astrologers, in my humble opinion, are just shifting your problems/resposbility to Astrology. We can not say that astrology is 70% or 82% or **% is correct. We can say that so and so astrologer can give about this much correct answers. Yes , I also feel that Astrology is Science as well as Art. I say same thing for homeopathy and for chess. Science as well as Art.!! Inder -- In , "Tanvir" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > >>Astrology is 100% right. Any astrologer's judgements or errors may vary from 0% to 100%.<< > > I agree with Inder Ji 100% here. Astrology is 100% correct but to gain this % one has to be skilled. Now is astrology is a science, or is it an arts? None of them alone. Astrology IS a science because the positions of planets are not made up but scientific, and we need the exact positions using good ayanamsa, good ephemeris etc etc, and a wrong position would not work. Also experience shows astrology can tell the natives life and other things which is not possible by co incident or just guessing. So it is a science, no doubt about it. > > But astrology is an art also. Because astrology is not those limited kind of science that you always follow certain rules for a robot and get the true answers. To use the scientific theories in a true and effective way, you need skill, experience and talent. And you need to take different approaches based on situations but not like other sciences that even a robot can do the sum with a theory like a square plus two a b plus b square is equal to a plus b whole square, i mean a^2 + 2ab + b^2 = (a+b)^2. So a robot can not do astrology since it needs human talent, skill and using the experience in a talented manner. Same way it is very hard for softwares to predict things. > > So, "Astrology is a science which can be used only by arts" that is my careful conclusion after much thoughts and observations. > > However, sometimes I feel that calling astrology to be a science is mere insult to it. Science is created by human but astrology is created by the God. Science has it's own limitations but astrology has no limitation rather we all are limited to it and under it's power because our whole life is controlled by astrology I mean astrology is the knowledge we can know with how our lives are getting controlled. Newton and Einstein are great scientists but even then, they were scientists because astrology said so and even after being great scientists they might have personal griefs, sorrow and limitations indicated by astrology. So astrology always wins over anything. > > Astrology is the set of rules made by God to control our lives. It is beyond all of us and we are under it. > > Let me copy some lines from my site www.jyotish-remedies.com where I wrote some essays about these... > > "Basically, Jyotish is the set of rules that operate our lives. God had to make a lot of rules when creating this universe. As an example he set the gravity for which anything falls in to the ground. The earth pulls us toward it, the sun pulls the earth and other planets toward it. When we press our hand in to a wall, it gets obstructed by the wall and does not pass through it instead. When the temperature can be lowered then the water would turn in to ice... there are innumerable laws of up on which the creation is getting maintained. We are discovering and controlling these more and more with science. But actually there are a lot more 'laws of nature' that physics etc. can not reach or explain. Those rules can not be proved by scientific theories but only by observing lives they prove true. Those are the rules that operate our lives. And the set of those rules is called Jyotish. And in Hinduism it has been described the same, when Lord Brahma created this universe then he received the knowledge of the material creation from Lord Vishnu a part of which was Jyotish or Vedic Astrology. Vedic Astrology was not discovered or developed by people or scientists but just was received from the God, who created this universe and told us the rules of this universe. And if you study even a little of Jyotish you will see that it's nature and structure is something like that what can not be developed by human effort." > > The entire essay can be read from http://www.jyotish- remedies.com/necessity_of_astrology.htm > > At last, an engineer deals with engineerings and machines, a doctor with health and diseases, but a [true] astrologer, with LIFE. And since we all are living our LIVES so the knowledge to deal with the life in ultimate way, ie astrology, is the most precious knowledge. > > Thanks, > Tanvir. > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > lord_narayana@l... > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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