EAT VEGITARIAN FOOD - REPLY BY AMAR PURI.

[Guest guest]

Hello Mr. RR and Dr.Perumal,

 

Hare Krishna. Hope this finds you both in the best of your health

and spirit.

 

As Dr.Perumal did mention about the scripitural injunctions in his

articles which forbids killing and eating the animals unnecessarily

for consumaption of Human species of life.

 

In reply to the article, Mr.RR asked certain querries which are very

valid as well.

 

Being Vegitarian alone does not solve the problems mentioned by

Mr.RR. in the Human Society.

 

The missing link is how we, the Human speices, eat, sleep, mate, and

defend. These four perpensities are also available in the animal

kingdom as well. If we, Human species, live lives like an animal or

pollised animal in the Human society in the same perpensities

mentioned above, then our lives are no better than any animal

regardless what we may eat Veg. or non - Veg.

 

I am sure, you are with me and try to understand what I am saying.

Now, to answer the question of Mr.RR, and on Vegitarian food article

written by Dr.Perumal, I would like to quote from the Bhagavat Gita

(Ch. 9- Text 26) in which the speaker Lord Shri Krishna, the Supreme

Personality of Godhead, states,;

 

" patram puspam phalam toyam, yo me bhaktya prayacchati, tad aham

bhakty-upahrtam asnam prayatatmanah "

 

The translation is " IF ONE OFFERS ME WITH LOVE AND DEVOTION A LEAF,

A FLOWER, FRUIT OR WATER, I WILL ACCEPT IT."

 

This is the only proper way of eating the Vegitarian Food as stated

above. Only then the problems mentioned by Mr.RR in the Human

society can be solved.

 

Hope the above enlighten the mind of our readers. Now it is up to us

to propagate these principles in our lives and in Human socieity in

order to achieve the peace and prosperty on this planet earth for our

present lives and the future as well for the generations to come

regardless of any human color, religion, believe, faith,caste and

creed etc.

 

Any further querries or comments are very welcome from our readers.

Please do write to me.

 

Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

 

With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> vegetarian food and lifestyle = peace, silence, forgiving, no

> arguments, [no strife, no andolaans, etc]

>

> Dr. Perumal: If this equation is correct, one may assume the

> following:

>

> a) countries with predominantly non-vegetarian populations should

be

> having fights and andolaans, unrest, all the time

>

> b)while countries with predominantly vegetarian populations should

> be peaceful all the time with little or no fighting, arguments,

> upheavals, wars, andolaans, protests etc.

>

> Without naming countries, I submit to your scholarship, a or b are

> true?

>

> The equation can be extended to lists too, but I do not want to

> start another flame-war!

>

> I think crowding is the answer, not diet as to why people argue,

> fight, brawl, insult others and so on. Crowding increases

> aggression, not only in humans but also rats and mice. Must be some

> unique attribute of animals, perhaps!

>

> RR

>

>

> , "drjperumalphd"

> <drjperumalphd> wrote:

> > VEGITARIEAN FOOD BEST VALUE FOR PEACE/CAM/NO

> > ARGUMENT/SILENT/FORGIVING/MORE ETC.

> >

> > BY.DR.J.PERUMAL.B.E,M.B.A.Ph.D

> >

> > In the words of Albert Einstein " It is my view that the

> vegetarian

> > manner of living, by its purely physical effect on the human

> > temperament, would most beneficially influence the lot of

> mankind…"

> >

> > As far as the protein requirements of the human body are

concerned

> > these can be easily met by making fruits, vegetables and nuts a

> part

> > of our daily intake, which few realize or want to accept.

> >

> > Despite all the available evidence that points to no extra

> > nutritional, physiological or psychological justification for

meat

> > eating millions all over the globe continue unabated.

> >

> > So why do we continue to do so is what comes to one's mind

> > instinctively. Two simple reasons seem to account for this

> > irresistible urge. One could be a habit and conditioning and

> secondly

> > because some simply savor the taste of it and relish it to

> > temptation.

> >

> > Well then we must have the courage to admit it and not attempt to

> > justify it for reasons of health. However if you decide to

> practice

> > spirituality, meat eating is one of the habits you need to

> > necessarily drop before you embark on this journey.

> >

> > It implies not just killing life, which violates one of the

> primary

> > rules of right conduct, but also creates Heat in our body wasting

> > away in the process loads of bodily energy which otherwise would

> have

> > been used for better digestion.

> >

> > The Hindu Dharma Sutras (Code-books) have prescribed rules of

> > conduct, duties, rights and obligations for us to follow. Non-

> > violence (ahimsa) is one of the prescriptions in there for the

> > eternal way of living happily in this world as we humans do not

> have

> > the moral right to take away a life or cause sorrow to others.

> >

> > It is a simple dharma to live by, for if we destroy others for

the

> > sake of our own pleasure , we are cutting at the very root of

> human

> > life's glory and thereby degrading ourselves. Even though life

> exists

> > in all beings, in both the vegetable and animal kingdoms, there

> are

> > degrees of evolution and in the manifestation of intelligence.

> >

> > The degree of feeling and understanding, of mental and physical

> pain,

> > is less developed in plant-life as compared to the animal-life.

> > According to our dharma sastras, the purpose of human life is to

> know

> > the Truth. In order to know the Truth, we must sustain our lives,

> but

> > with proper discrimination.

> >

> > Although life must be sustained with life, it should be done by

> > causing the least Pain and disturbance to nature. This means that

> > even when eating vegetarian food we should eat moderately. From a

> > medical standpoint also many people today are advised to reduce

> their

> > fat and cholesterol intake, which generally means the reduction

of

> > red meat in their diet.

> >

> > These scriptural injunctions make us wonder at times if people

> > strictly practiced vegetarianism back in the vedic ages or were

> they

> > too meat eaters like us.

> >

> > The vedas and the dharmasastrs both prohibit it, except under

> certain

> > circumstances as a concession to human weakness, which sometimes

> > makes us incapable of living up to a higher ideal. The sastras

> > explain for instance, which animals can be eaten on which day of

> the

> > month, when eating meat is prohibited, and what special rituals

> are

> > to performed before eating meat.

> >

> > These facts and restrictions in our sastras were meant to help

> them

> > rise above craving and ideally practice vegetarianism. Non-

> vegetarian

> > food was, however, allowed for a particular class of people, the

> > ksatriyas,or the ruling class.

> >

> > For other classes, such as the business people (Vaisyas) or the

> > philosophers/teachers (Brahmins), hunting and meat eating was not

> > allowed. Why was this distinction made? The kshatriyas nature of

> work

> > required them to have the strength to fight for their nation.

They

> > underwent training in defense (hunting) and needed animal protein

> for

> > physical strength.

> >

> > Yet the kshatriyas too were told that after a certain age even

> they

> > should ideally renounce that type of life, take to sannyasa (the

> > order of renunciation), and go to the forest for contemplation.

[Guest guest]

Namashkar,

 

I was away, hence could not read or respond to your posting earlier.

Sorry for the delay. I am surmising here, but it may be that since

there are people with different natures and pravrittis (metabolism,

fundtions, etc.) there might be need for different diets and it is

probably not the case of one vegeterian diet fits all situation. In

fact, I have observed that people need different types of diets at

different times in their lives. In astrological texts, I recall

having read some combinations which indicate individuals would have

different food preferences, including non-vegetarian diets too. I am

not sure whether this was from an original classic text or a quoted

version. Anyway, the point is that variety and not so much as

regimented or single track recommendations would work for all. In

fact, I believe it was Swami Yukteshwar Giri who propounded a

postulate that human beings like other primates are frugivorus

(fruit eaters) as shown by their dental patterns and so must depend

heavily on fruits and nuts. I suppose grains are nuts too in a sense!

 

 

RR

 

 

, "amarpuri2004"

<satvac@h...> wrote:

> Hello Mr. RR and Dr.Perumal,

>

> Hare Krishna. Hope this finds you both in the best of your health

> and spirit.

>

> As Dr.Perumal did mention about the scripitural injunctions in his

> articles which forbids killing and eating the animals

unnecessarily

> for consumaption of Human species of life.

>

> In reply to the article, Mr.RR asked certain querries which are

very

> valid as well.

>

> Being Vegitarian alone does not solve the problems mentioned by

> Mr.RR. in the Human Society.

>

> The missing link is how we, the Human speices, eat, sleep, mate,

and

> defend. These four perpensities are also available in the animal

> kingdom as well. If we, Human species, live lives like an animal

or

> pollised animal in the Human society in the same perpensities

> mentioned above, then our lives are no better than any animal

> regardless what we may eat Veg. or non - Veg.

>

> I am sure, you are with me and try to understand what I am saying.

> Now, to answer the question of Mr.RR, and on Vegitarian food

article

> written by Dr.Perumal, I would like to quote from the Bhagavat

Gita

> (Ch. 9- Text 26) in which the speaker Lord Shri Krishna, the

Supreme

> Personality of Godhead, states,;

>

> " patram puspam phalam toyam, yo me bhaktya prayacchati, tad aham

> bhakty-upahrtam asnam prayatatmanah "

>

> The translation is " IF ONE OFFERS ME WITH LOVE AND DEVOTION A

LEAF,

> A FLOWER, FRUIT OR WATER, I WILL ACCEPT IT."

>

> This is the only proper way of eating the Vegitarian Food as

stated

> above. Only then the problems mentioned by Mr.RR in the Human

> society can be solved.

>

> Hope the above enlighten the mind of our readers. Now it is up to

us

> to propagate these principles in our lives and in Human socieity

in

> order to achieve the peace and prosperty on this planet earth for

our

> present lives and the future as well for the generations to come

> regardless of any human color, religion, believe, faith,caste and

> creed etc.

>

> Any further querries or comments are very welcome from our

readers.

> Please do write to me.

>

> Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

>

> With my best wishes.............Amar Puri.

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > vegetarian food and lifestyle = peace, silence, forgiving, no

> > arguments, [no strife, no andolaans, etc]

> >

> > Dr. Perumal: If this equation is correct, one may assume the

> > following:

> >

> > a) countries with predominantly non-vegetarian populations

should

> be

> > having fights and andolaans, unrest, all the time

> >

> > b)while countries with predominantly vegetarian populations

should

> > be peaceful all the time with little or no fighting, arguments,

> > upheavals, wars, andolaans, protests etc.

> >

> > Without naming countries, I submit to your scholarship, a or b

are

> > true?

> >

> > The equation can be extended to lists too, but I do not want to

> > start another flame-war!

> >

> > I think crowding is the answer, not diet as to why people argue,

> > fight, brawl, insult others and so on. Crowding increases

> > aggression, not only in humans but also rats and mice. Must be

some

> > unique attribute of animals, perhaps!

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "drjperumalphd"

> > <drjperumalphd> wrote:

> > > VEGITARIEAN FOOD BEST VALUE FOR PEACE/CAM/NO

> > > ARGUMENT/SILENT/FORGIVING/MORE ETC.

> > >

> > > BY.DR.J.PERUMAL.B.E,M.B.A.Ph.D

> > >

> > > In the words of Albert Einstein " It is my view that the

> > vegetarian

> > > manner of living, by its purely physical effect on the human

> > > temperament, would most beneficially influence the lot of

> > mankind…"

> > >

> > > As far as the protein requirements of the human body are

> concerned

> > > these can be easily met by making fruits, vegetables and nuts

a

> > part

> > > of our daily intake, which few realize or want to accept.

> > >

> > > Despite all the available evidence that points to no extra

> > > nutritional, physiological or psychological justification for

> meat

> > > eating millions all over the globe continue unabated.

> > >

> > > So why do we continue to do so is what comes to one's mind

> > > instinctively. Two simple reasons seem to account for this

> > > irresistible urge. One could be a habit and conditioning and

> > secondly

> > > because some simply savor the taste of it and relish it to

> > > temptation.

> > >

> > > Well then we must have the courage to admit it and not attempt

to

> > > justify it for reasons of health. However if you decide to

> > practice

> > > spirituality, meat eating is one of the habits you need to

> > > necessarily drop before you embark on this journey.

> > >

> > > It implies not just killing life, which violates one of the

> > primary

> > > rules of right conduct, but also creates Heat in our body

wasting

> > > away in the process loads of bodily energy which otherwise

would

> > have

> > > been used for better digestion.

> > >

> > > The Hindu Dharma Sutras (Code-books) have prescribed rules of

> > > conduct, duties, rights and obligations for us to follow. Non-

> > > violence (ahimsa) is one of the prescriptions in there for the

> > > eternal way of living happily in this world as we humans do

not

> > have

> > > the moral right to take away a life or cause sorrow to others.

> > >

> > > It is a simple dharma to live by, for if we destroy others for

> the

> > > sake of our own pleasure , we are cutting at the very root of

> > human

> > > life's glory and thereby degrading ourselves. Even though life

> > exists

> > > in all beings, in both the vegetable and animal kingdoms,

there

> > are

> > > degrees of evolution and in the manifestation of intelligence.

> > >

> > > The degree of feeling and understanding, of mental and

physical

> > pain,

> > > is less developed in plant-life as compared to the animal-

life.

> > > According to our dharma sastras, the purpose of human life is

to

> > know

> > > the Truth. In order to know the Truth, we must sustain our

lives,

> > but

> > > with proper discrimination.

> > >

> > > Although life must be sustained with life, it should be done

by

> > > causing the least Pain and disturbance to nature. This means

that

> > > even when eating vegetarian food we should eat moderately.

>From a

> > > medical standpoint also many people today are advised to

reduce

> > their

> > > fat and cholesterol intake, which generally means the

reduction

> of

> > > red meat in their diet.

> > >

> > > These scriptural injunctions make us wonder at times if people

> > > strictly practiced vegetarianism back in the vedic ages or

were

> > they

> > > too meat eaters like us.

> > >

> > > The vedas and the dharmasastrs both prohibit it, except under

> > certain

> > > circumstances as a concession to human weakness, which

sometimes

> > > makes us incapable of living up to a higher ideal. The sastras

> > > explain for instance, which animals can be eaten on which day

of

> > the

> > > month, when eating meat is prohibited, and what special

rituals

> > are

> > > to performed before eating meat.

> > >

> > > These facts and restrictions in our sastras were meant to help

> > them

> > > rise above craving and ideally practice vegetarianism. Non-

> > vegetarian

> > > food was, however, allowed for a particular class of people,

the

> > > ksatriyas,or the ruling class.

> > >

> > > For other classes, such as the business people (Vaisyas) or

the

> > > philosophers/teachers (Brahmins), hunting and meat eating was

not

> > > allowed. Why was this distinction made? The kshatriyas nature

of

> > work

> > > required them to have the strength to fight for their nation.

> They

> > > underwent training in defense (hunting) and needed animal

protein

> > for

> > > physical strength.

> > >

> > > Yet the kshatriyas too were told that after a certain age even

> > they

> > > should ideally renounce that type of life, take to sannyasa

(the

> > > order of renunciation), and go to the forest for contemplation.