Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Sudheendra, The subject of the whole of my email was an express of irritation to anyone who believes that any astrologer not being able to give free readings is selfish. I said about this because it is not possible for anyone to attend all the requests of free readings for we all have a limited time. The example of the foreigners paid reading was how serious one astrologer / astrology student is about a paid client and generally he makes out the time for it even he does not 'have' time say waking late nights etc., but in free advices he might not do so in general. My point was, a person seriously seeking a solution should go to a porfessional astrologer and not to us most of who claim themselves as students. My whole email was about this point only. I only wrote about one sentence at the last about the issue of Balaji Ji and Rohini Ji, but you are pretending that I only wrote about that issue and you are totally talking about this issue creating a totally wrong impression of my post. All my post was about the free reading topic and the comment that whoever does not provide free reading is selfish. Balaji Ji contributes to this list a lot and I like him a lot that you can know by reading old posts. And Rohini Ji does not contribute to the list does not disqualify him the slighest because this is not a compulsory rule for being a member. This list has 2200 members and how many of them contributes? I still believe there has been some misunderstanding about Rohini Ji and Balaji Ji and leave it on them for now. As you already said that as the moderator my duty is to moderate the list. And then why are you doing what is not your duty? What a member contributes it is not your duty to consider. And if Rohini Ji sarcasted anyone then the person can complaint to me and I will investigate it. Who are you to consider this? As an example once one person made a little harsh comment about Balaji Ji then he complained it to me and I requested the member not to make such comments. So when a member is sarcastic or rude to anyone then the victim is to talk to me and not someone like you who do not even understand what was it all about. And why you say that Balaji Ji made the statement who is not giving free reading is selfish? I do not see any such comments made by him. The comment was quoted by Mrs Vasumati and was stated that Mrs Susmita made such comment. You seem to shout more than you understand or even have the ability to understand. My whole post was about something else and you charge me for something else. How dare you charge someone even without understanding what was it all about properly? You joined only 2 days ago and start doing all these. Get out of here for a while and cool yourself that is all I can say. What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury lord_narayana http://www.jyotish-remedies.com , "Sudheendra" <sudhee03> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > While I admire yr efforts to keep discipline on the network, I think > u completely missed the point Balaji was trying to make. > > 1.The point here is of the contribution to the discussions. I am a > new member and I did look at all the old postings. Can I ask one > question to Rohini , whts yr contribution here. Even though Balaji is > new to Astrology , as one of the posting says, he is pretty accurate. > In fact he looked at my horoscope, said he cld not read it and > suggested that I post it on the network here. No single astrologer > has been able to interpret my horoscope until now. These include the > so called professional astrologers who were very evasive. My question > is what was Rohini waiting for ? Cldnt he have taken the information > from my post, made a reading, posted it back on the network so that > other members could benefit from how he made the interpretation ? > Instead of just making sarcastic comments which hardly contribute > anything to the discussions, I suggest to him to please contribute > something to the discussions rather being a nosy and arrogant > character. > > 2. Why are you as the moderator of this group, feeling guilty bcos > Balaji made the statement that anyone who is not giving free analysis > is 'selfish'. Of course he is right. I can tell my own experiences of > dealing with so called professional/well known astrologers who just > charge money and offer no solutions!!!!! In fact the best reading > until now of my horoscope was given not by a professional astrologer > or anyone in this group but by a person in another astrology group on > and he ddnt ask me anything. And when I asked him abt the > gurudakshina he only said "I am doing it for my satisfaction, not for > money". Why cant everyone be like him. He was so accurate with his > readings he even pin pointed dates for some events that had happened > in my past. Could Mr.Rohini ever have done this?? I dbt he would. !!! > Above all I simply doubt I wld ever go to him to seek a reading !! > > 3. How does the issue of you offering paid services to a Foriegner, > matter in the tussle between Balaji and Rohini and the discussions in > this group ? . I think a lot of what you wrote was irrelevant to the > topic wasting not only all our time but your time also. As a > moderator it is your duty to moderate only, not to take offence at > comments by members of this group. > > 4. Lastly I have a suggestion for you. Why dont you as a moderator > make a posting every week where one Horoscope of an individual is > taken(cld be anybody famous)and analysed as to why they became > famous. This will help a lot of beginners . > > regards > > Sudheendra > > "Whatever happens it happens for the good" > > > > > > , "Tanvir" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > There are some arguments and clashes going on in JR right now. As > the moderator I really do not like to interfere in to anything right > at the beginning, so I let it continue for a while hoping it would > settle down soon. But things are getting worse so I have to put some > things very stright right at this point. > > > > I would be extremely annoyed to listen to the comment that anyone > who is not giving free analysis is 'selfish'. Everyone has their own > work, profession, studies and life is very tough. Everyone has to > face and fight his own life. We never promissed that we would offer > free service. This list is for learning astrology and not for free > services. Still when we have the time we offer free services and > analysis. This is for the purpose of humanity. But if someone takes > the advantage of this and makes unfair comments, it would not be > tolerated. > > > > This is a discussion list and if we ban a member who is not here > for discussion, that would be okay. Because the purpose is learning > astrology and nothing else. Still for the purpose of humanity we > listen to the problems of people and try to help if we can. > > > > If a member complains that he joined here for discussions and why > is he receiving mails of free help, we would not be able to answer > him anything. A member joining for astrology discussions have to > download a lot of mails just of free help, and he can certainly make > a complaint about it. > > > > So whatever free help you get or do not get, be satisfied with that. > > > > If your problem is serious you should consult a professional > astrologer and pay him, rather than submitting your plea of free help > to students like us. If you are sincere about your problem you should > not hesitate to pay for it. A person deserves the value of his time, > skill and labour. > > > > Anyone showing such behaviour would be taken care of. A moderator > sometimes need to be very strict, and that I would have to be against > my wishes. I do not like to be strict but if someone forces me, I > would not have a choice. > > > > I personally am not currently responding to the list about > astrology, I am all overloaded with works. I am in need of some more > astrology study that I am trying to do now. I have a lot to learn. > That is why I am discussing charts in private only. In my experience > I have seen that in private discussion people freely discuss anything > about their lives, that is great for my learning and even it helps me > a lot to deal with the charts and remedies etc. So now I decide to > pay attention in reading one chart in depth than reading 10 charts in > an incomplete manner. > > > > I have also started paid consultancy and I put the page online > today in my website. This is because even though I have not ever > talked about a paid reading in my site, I always have been offered > for this. And I refused all the requests very politely. Last time a > man from Pakistan requested me a lot and then later I forward him to > PVR Narasimha Rao Ji. > > > > But lately I felt this is not fair. If I can offer short insight > for free, where is the problem going deeper if they want it with a > charge? This people ask me. It is not fair when someone sincerely > seeks your help by being ready to pay you for your labour and wants a > solution, and you refuse. When someone is ready to pay you for your > labour, it generally shows he is serious and sincere about it and not > just having fun around. I say that I am a student and would never be > like a professional one, and even after knowing this, people want > readings. So, that is okay for me from now on. > > > > I did a professional reading for a lady from the USA and she is > impressed to say the least, and for that she is going to invest some > $ 1700-1800 for yajnas to solve her problems. And she would do it > from whoever Pundit I suggest. I did not really suggest her about > yajnas but talked about all sort of remedies subject to being > suitable for her. This is for I was very successful with her chart > and she is impressed for Gods grace and now has faith in Jyotish and > also in me. This is not my credit, but God is leading her to a better > life through me. The lady's destiny is unfolding through me and I > just play my role in her life. She is in her Ve AD, Ve Yoga Karaka > alone, 4th and 9th lord, is in own sign and also directionally strong > in 4th house. This is leading her to me and my success with her chart > and she is doing something good like yajnas and I do know they would > work like a magic. As I say, remedies are generally done in a good > period, otherwise you are not really allowed. I talked a lot about it > with a lot of exmaples, in a previous discussion thread - many of you > might know. > > > > After that she told me she wants some honest yajna provider and to > make it sure I mailed one yajna provider asking if there is any > referral fee they grant if I send them a client. Needless to say, I > am not looking for a fee but just trying to understand the dealings. > This I did consulting the lady. > > > > Now what if I did not do a professional reading for the lady? > > > > I am also doing a professional reading for an Indian living in > Europe. But I would never be able to pay so much time to their charts > if it was free, perhaps. When someone approaches for a free reading, > you consider if you have time or not etc., but when someone is a paid > customer you must make the best of you since you are liable for it. > Still, to err is human being and no astrologer can help someone who > is under the karmic test of God. > > > > Anyway, at last, all I have to say is to exercise politeness and > mutual respect. This warning I am giving after much tolerance since I > have to hear that who is not giving a free reading is selfish. > > > > There also tends to be some misunderstanding relating Rohini Ji, I > think he did not involve in any arguments. But that I leave up on him > to let him clarify himself. > > > > Thanks, > > Tanvir. > > > > Owner and Moderator > > Jyotish Remedies forum > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > lord_narayana@l... > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2004 Report Share Posted August 27, 2004 Tanvir, If contributing to the list means free readings, then perhaps I am not doing that so actively here, as some younger members. I never planned or promised to. I do not judge myself from my performance on one list or at a given short period of time. I did not come here to win any popularity contest or to necessarily bend over backwards and make friends. Where I have seen inconsistency, glib and inaccurate statements or similar possibilities for confusion, I have reacted, questioned and please look at my posts here or anywhere -- in a civilized manner, without personal assaults like I have sustained recently from two members directly and openly (both uncalled for) and as I described in a message earlier -- from others in private mail. I do not belong to any cliques, schools or astro-political groups. Whereever I see bias, I must point out. If that bothers someone I cannot help it, if it is against the policies of this forum, please tell me. Whether what I post is useful or not, here and elsewhere, whether I do free readings or paid readings is really no one's business. These surges of charity and public activity will cool down eventually, as everyone will experience, I can assure you :-) As far as any misunderstanding, my postings, my responses should indicate clearly that there is no misunderstanding on my part. I know and understand exactly what is going on :-) RR , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Balaji Ji contributes to this list a lot and I like him a lot that > you can know by reading old posts. And Rohini Ji does not contribute > to the list does not disqualify him the slighest because this is not > a compulsory rule for being a member. This list has 2200 members and > how many of them contributes? > > I still believe there has been some misunderstanding about Rohini Ji > and Balaji Ji and leave it on them for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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