[Triptik for research and learning] was 12th house question for astrologers

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what I have observed and I am not prepared to spend any time here

giving percentages and statisical proof (in other words take it or

leave it!) the following are submitted for your consideration:

 

=When focussing on a house, refer to Parashara's hint about the

significance of certain indications as outlined in his description

of the sudarshan chakra.

 

= In this specific case, focus on charts with planets in 12th house

Find the lordship etc of those planets in 12th

 

= Judge their beneficience and strength and here you will have to go

beyond Parashara

 

= See HOW the indications represented by those planets are

considered by the nativity?

 

= See if some nativities *cling* to those indicated houses and what

they represent in their lives

 

= See if other nativities simply are prepared to not let their lives

(external and internal) be governed by those houses that the

occupant of the 12th house indicates

 

= Gauge if the dasha of that planet in 12th (one is better than

having five of those there!) sheds any meaningful light on the above

 

= See if a consistent picture is getting formed in several charts

 

= Then go to further refinements with nakshatras and vargas, and so

on.

 

= If possible get feedback from the nativities from time to time,

and if you are into research, guard and keep their contact

information, if possible, like diamonds buried in the ground but

where you can see and touch base with them again, unless you have

the psychic touch where you have no need for real data or feedback,

and YOU just KNOW! I will pray for your salvation and ultimate

liberation, in that case!! And, let them know why you are following

them up and how they are contributing towards REAL astrology, not

the fanatic, 'babaji' kind!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "frmbeyond111"

<Ashlesha9@a...> wrote:

> Hello. I'd like to share some ideas I have about the 12th and get

> some feedback on what others think.

> I'm trying to develop ideas which can be used in chart

interpretation

> that go beyond the traditional ones (sleep, pleasures of the bed,

> expenses) b/c I believe (perhaps wrongly) that there are more

> insightful definitions for the 12th.

>

> As the opposite of the 6th-

> while the 6th is anxious, dejected, careful and self-critical,

> the 12th is careless (impractical, extravagant and wasteful- as in

> dissipation, intoxication), un-self-conscious (loss of sense of

self,

> inability to 'see' the self) and, consequently, un-self-critical

> (unable to see one's own flaws). Does this sound correct?

>

> I know quite a few people with 12th house influences and they all

> seem to have a certain quality of carelessness about them

> (a 'whatever' attitude). I've also noticed they have a tendency

to

> find fault with, i.e. complain about, others and about society,

> while, at the same time, they rarely find fault with themselves.

Has

> anyone else noticed this? Or, is this maybe another influence

that

> I'm incorrectly attributing to the 12th?

>

> On another note, most of these people are frequently tired and

worn

> out which fits the 12th house theme of loss of vitality and

sleep.

> Yet, with regard to this, I've noticed a strange preponderance of

> 12th house influences in the charts of successful athletes which I

> can't make any sense of. Unless, the aspects to the 6th help them

> to 'defeat opponents'. I've also thought maybe the 12th can

somehow

> indicate pushing physical limits, or maybe its presence gives the

> ability to put in the long, 'lonely' hours of training needed to

be a

> professional athlete. Anyone else noticed this? Or, have any

ideas

> about what it means?

>

> One last odd note that concerns me about the traditional

definitions,

> while I know that a 12th house influence needs supporting factors

> (Ketu, Jupiter, Saturn, 9th house) to bring out the spiritual

aspect

> of the house, I've never met a person with a 12th house influence

who

> considered themselves as spiritual. Do others notice this as well?

>

> Thank you for reading and thank you sincerely for any responses.

> JN

[Guest guest]

Dear Triptika and Rohiniranjan,

 

Both the original question and Response are interesting and informative. Let us

have more and more of such discussions which adds value. Over and above what has

been said, I have to add following out my experience.

 

1) 12 th house gives good indication about a leg injury, birth defects about

legs , polio etc. So carefully observing 12 th lord , Aspects of stars occupying

12 th house ( also the Navmansha and conjunctions with Fixed stars ).

Considering all these can give conclusive indication about leg injury . Also

sometimes it gives good indication about right eye problems.

 

2) I have also used 12 th house for predicting health related issues of spouse

with fairly good accuracy rate. In some cases of proposal for second marriage

where there was a death of first spouse due to some major health problem , 12 th

house gives excellent indications about nature and time frame about the ailment

(also it gives some clues about second marriage prospect's 4 th house related

issues, because second marriage suitability can be predicted from 9 th house as

we know ,so all the bad effects native faced about his / her spouse's health

will not be there but at the same time one cannot forget that now , the same 12

th house becomes 4 th house from 9 th - and you have to follow logic in that

direction.) - hope this is not sounding complex ! also a natural question may be

asked by readers of this email , why not consider the Horoscope of the prospect

? I have faced situation where fist spouse has expired due to health reason and

the native is inquiring about second marriage - in such situation above can be

used quite well.

 

3) Lastly , if stars in 12 th house are close to ascendant , they have been able

to give excellent effects rather than negative effects of 12 th house. e.g. if

Native has Aries Ascendant 5 Deg and he has Jupiter in Pisces at 29 Deg , it has

given fabulous effects being in conjunction with Ascendant and not all negative

effects of Jupiter in 12 th House. With same logic , I have cases of Mars in 12

th House close to ascendant giving effects of the conjunction of Mars with

Ascendant rather than Mars in 12 th house.

 

Let me know if anyone is interested in knowing more.

 

Regards,

 

Anil

 

 

-

rohiniranjan

Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:03 AM

[Triptik for research and learning] was Re: 12th house question

for astrologers

 

 

what I have observed and I am not prepared to spend any time here

giving percentages and statisical proof (in other words take it or

leave it!) the following are submitted for your consideration:

 

=When focussing on a house, refer to Parashara's hint about the

significance of certain indications as outlined in his description

of the sudarshan chakra.

 

= In this specific case, focus on charts with planets in 12th house

Find the lordship etc of those planets in 12th

 

= Judge their beneficience and strength and here you will have to go

beyond Parashara

 

= See HOW the indications represented by those planets are

considered by the nativity?

 

= See if some nativities *cling* to those indicated houses and what

they represent in their lives

 

= See if other nativities simply are prepared to not let their lives

(external and internal) be governed by those houses that the

occupant of the 12th house indicates

 

= Gauge if the dasha of that planet in 12th (one is better than

having five of those there!) sheds any meaningful light on the above

 

= See if a consistent picture is getting formed in several charts

 

= Then go to further refinements with nakshatras and vargas, and so

on.

 

= If possible get feedback from the nativities from time to time,

and if you are into research, guard and keep their contact

information, if possible, like diamonds buried in the ground but

where you can see and touch base with them again, unless you have

the psychic touch where you have no need for real data or feedback,

and YOU just KNOW! I will pray for your salvation and ultimate

liberation, in that case!! And, let them know why you are following

them up and how they are contributing towards REAL astrology, not

the fanatic, 'babaji' kind!

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "frmbeyond111"

<Ashlesha9@a...> wrote:

> Hello. I'd like to share some ideas I have about the 12th and get

> some feedback on what others think.

> I'm trying to develop ideas which can be used in chart

interpretation

> that go beyond the traditional ones (sleep, pleasures of the bed,

> expenses) b/c I believe (perhaps wrongly) that there are more

> insightful definitions for the 12th.

>

> As the opposite of the 6th-

> while the 6th is anxious, dejected, careful and self-critical,

> the 12th is careless (impractical, extravagant and wasteful- as in

> dissipation, intoxication), un-self-conscious (loss of sense of

self,

> inability to 'see' the self) and, consequently, un-self-critical

> (unable to see one's own flaws). Does this sound correct?

>

> I know quite a few people with 12th house influences and they all

> seem to have a certain quality of carelessness about them

> (a 'whatever' attitude). I've also noticed they have a tendency

to

> find fault with, i.e. complain about, others and about society,

> while, at the same time, they rarely find fault with themselves.

Has

> anyone else noticed this? Or, is this maybe another influence

that

> I'm incorrectly attributing to the 12th?

>

> On another note, most of these people are frequently tired and

worn

> out which fits the 12th house theme of loss of vitality and

sleep.

> Yet, with regard to this, I've noticed a strange preponderance of

> 12th house influences in the charts of successful athletes which I

> can't make any sense of. Unless, the aspects to the 6th help them

> to 'defeat opponents'. I've also thought maybe the 12th can

somehow

> indicate pushing physical limits, or maybe its presence gives the

> ability to put in the long, 'lonely' hours of training needed to

be a

> professional athlete. Anyone else noticed this? Or, have any

ideas

> about what it means?

>

> One last odd note that concerns me about the traditional

definitions,

> while I know that a 12th house influence needs supporting factors

> (Ketu, Jupiter, Saturn, 9th house) to bring out the spiritual

aspect

> of the house, I've never met a person with a 12th house influence

who

> considered themselves as spiritual. Do others notice this as well?

>

> Thank you for reading and thank you sincerely for any responses.

> JN

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

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[Guest guest]

dear Anilji,

 

thanks for remembering....but perhaps there is a little confusion with the

name, someone else might have put some queries not me as generally i remain

quiet... and read discussions with interest.

 

hope you are doing well.

 

wishing you all the best,

triptika

 

-

Anil VSNL

Thursday, August 26, 2004 8:17 AM

Re: [Triptik for research and learning] was Re: 12th house

question for astrologers

 

 

Dear Triptika and Rohiniranjan,

 

Both the original question and Response are interesting and informative. Let

us have more and more of such discussions which adds value. Over and above what

has been said, I have to add following out my experience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Triptika,

 

Till the time discussion on the forum is informative and adds value, names do

not matter !

 

Incidently I got many emails on my personal email id from those having queries

about their 12 th house , matrimonial problems etc. It is difficult to

enetertain all such queries.

 

Hope you are doing well.

 

Best Wishes,

 

Anil Gogate

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Anil ji,

 

You are absolutely right sir,that names don't matter.. it is the query and

disscussion which is important...actually i felt i should not take undue credit

.... i ment nothing else.i am sorry if it sounded otherwise.

regards,

triptika