Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Wife : Novemeber 7th 1962 Time 10PM Place Hyderabad South India. Husband : October 7th 1944: Time unknown : Place Hyderabd South India Can you please tell me if this man is really honest as he has lied to me thorugh out about is past on very serious matter of life. and i'am not sure what he might do next. thanks sushmita wrote: There are 8 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! "ashsam73" 2. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! "V. Sreelatha" 3. Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] Abhishek Bajpai 4. Oppression by Husband and In-Laws "sushmita" 5. what is Gora Tamas Yoga? "mr_bsgill" 6. Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! "Gaurav Sharma" 7. Re: Oppression by Husband and In-Laws "Gaurav Sharma" 8. Re: what is Gora Tamas Yoga? tatvam asi ______________________ ______________________ Message: 1 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:46:18 -0000 "ashsam73" Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! Dear Tanvir, I forgot to add this. If Pisces is the lagna then this chart does not auger well for marriage or there is a divorse. This chart and the points for 7th do not auger well for marriage. Do you have her husbands chart? I would like to see the relation of his Shani and Rahu to this lady's Mars and his Venus to her Mars. If there is a strong relation then there will be a lot of attraction between the couple and marriage may not break. If not then Venus in krittika is spoilt and points for 7th are low. Cheers !!! Ash , "ashsam73" wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > > This is what you have confirmed. > > 1) She is brilliant which match > 2) You confirmed that she is married and married in MErc antra as per > Lahiri. This part I will write about in my analysis. > > These are the points you have not confirmed on. > > 1) If this lady is very egotistical and adament. Yes you have > written that she is soft minded but I dont know what soft minded > means. Her moon is in libra (in a house with 23 bindus) is that what > you mean ? With a whooping 38 bindus in lagna she must be as I have > said above and also short tempered. Please confirm this point. > > 2) She cannot tollerate injustice or lies. Please confirm this. > > 3) She is harsh in speech especially if people act as per point 2. > > 4) Between 2002/12 thru 2004/04 she might have travelled overseas. > > 5) During the above period she might have purchased car or a house > i.e. in Moon antra as per Krushnas Ayanamsa. > > -------------------------------- > > About timing of Marraige. I had said that this lady might not have > been married and you have confirmed that she is married in Mercury > antra as per lahiri. However you have not giving the time so I can > verify with Krushnas Ashtakvarg system and Krushnas ayanamsa. > > As per KAS mercury can give marraige but still Venus is in Krittika > and all points for 7th house are low. > > Here are the points. Please see the only planet that can give > marriage is Mercury and Ketu. Ketu is samdharmi to Mercury and Guru > and is more like Mercury (individual BhinaAshtakvarg points). > > Just so that the readers understand any points Above 12 from Sun to > Saturn is strong. 12 is borderline and can go either way. > > If you study 7th house all points are low except that of Mercury who > has 12 points only. However he is lord of 4th. As per Krushnas > Ashtakvarg system planets that are eager to giving "Timing of event" > are lords of 10th and 6th house from the house under focus. Since > here we are talking of Marraige so the House under Focus is 7th house > and 10th from that is 4th and 6th from 7th is 12th. > > Here you have considered Mercury to give marriage as its 7th lord as > Per KAS it can give as its 4th lord and itself is placed in upchaya > for 4th house and its in KArak sthan for 7th (8th from 7th) AND > points are 12 so it can give. > > Since you and I use different ayanamsa here timing is important. Can > you please confirm the timing of marriage. It should be in 2nd > sector in Mercury antra. In any case please give the date of > marriage. It will be good learning. 2nd sector should be roughly > from Jan 1997 thru Nov 1997. I will leave it till here and not > narrow down further using suns transit. > > > > House Signs SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve > Sa > 1 Pisces 38 13 23 10 11 18 12 > 10 > 2 Aries 19 2 13 14 13 16 6 > 14 > 3 Taurus 23 9 19 17 8 2 15 > 11 > 4 Gemini 27 11 17 17 13 17 14 > 9 > 5 Cancer 22 6 15 18 3 21 11 > 23 > 6 Leo 37 17 20 22 14 20 15 > 15 > 7 Virgo 24 3 9 11 12 10 8 > 7 > 8 Libra 23 12 15 15 10 17 12 > 12 > 9 Scorpio 29 15 17 21 10 14 7 > 14 > 10 Sagittarius 39 8 15 13 10 9 > 13 10 > 11 Capricorn 29 10 21 15 16 9 > 14 4 > 12 Aquarius 27 8 17 14 12 10 > 9 3 > > > > In any case to the question on relation with her mother .. Lagna and > 3rd lord (I use 3rd house for mother and 9th for father) are in nav > pancham (5:9) so its showing good harmony. > At the same time lagna in relation to 9th lord is in 2:12 in rasi and > 6:8 in navamasa. So its showing that she will be close to her mother > as compared to her father. > > > Waiting for your confirmations. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > wrote: > > Thanks for the analysis. From what I think, she is brilliant but > not > > difficult to reason with. She is soft minded but has a spirit to > > fight life. She is married and her marriage happened in her Merc AD > > using Lahiri Ayanamsha. merc is 7L and marriage can happen in other > > ADs but in her case I guessed that perhaps her marriage might have > > happened in Merc AD, it was true. > > > > Waiting for what you have to say. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir > > > > , "ashsam73" > > wrote: > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > I had a chance to go through this chart. Lagna at 25Pi50 with > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa. Lagna changes in 15 mins. I am assuming that > > the > > > given birth time is accurate and make these observations. > > > > > > This lady has 38 bindus in her lagna. If the birth time is right > > > then this lady must be one very adament, egoistic and my way of > the > > > high way kinda attitude. Very difficult person to reason with. > > She > > > would also be very uncompromising and dominating. She is > brilliant > > > with a photographic memory. > > > > > > With Aries lagna she would be extreme opposite. Lagna would have > > > only 21 bindus so she would be very adjusting and compromising > with > > > average brilliance. This would be a good check for lagna. > > > > > > In any case I am going with the birth time given by you and > > > proceeding. > > > > > > She also will not like to tollerate injustice and will be harsh > in > > > speach if someone does things unethically. Here SAV points in > > 3:6:10 > > > are in increasing order 23:37:39 showing down to earth person > with > > > good social standing and very hardworking. Her profession linked > > to > > > Mars and Mercury. She is a very brilliant person with > photographic > > > memory. > > > > > > Venus is in krittika and mostly all her points for 7th house is > > weak > > > in Ashtakvarg strength. What about marritial status of this > > lady ? > > > I do not think she is married. This chart does not auger well for > > > maritial life. Though she might have come close to someone > during > > > Guru/Moon antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa which is 2002/12 thru > > > 2004/04 in the last sector so since say Nov/Dec 2003 thru > > > 2004/April. Good income during this time of Moon antra and also > > > recognition. Might have travlled overseas also and might have > > > purchased car/house. > > > > > > Ok, I will stop here and wait for your feeback. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________ ______________________ Message: 2 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:05 -0000 "V. Sreelatha" Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! Dear Tanvir, I admire your honesty! Everybody is so intent on tooting their own horn and only talk about their successes, and you, being such a wise and experienced astrologer, are openly talking about your failure!! Very impressive. Confirms my opinion that you are indeed an expert, since, as they say, "vidya dadaati vinayam"... education/knowledge gives a person humility. BTW, great job, creating and maintaining this newsgroup. I learn a lot here. Pretty neat web site too! -VS ______________________ ______________________ Message: 3 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:24:01 +0100 Abhishek Bajpai Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] Tanveer, Neeraj has suggested to go for second opinion . Could I ask you to personally look at the compatibility please. Neeraj, Thanks a lot for looking into it. Thanks and Regards, Abhishek > > > > ------- > Re: Marriage Compatibility Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:40:21 -0700 (PDT) Neeraj Gupta > > Dear Abhishek, > > I matched your charts. As far as points are concerned, > it goes fine with 28 points, but the chart of the girl > has Kuja (manglik) dosha, as mars is present in 7th > house. Also mars is niether debiliated nor combusted. > Few astrologers are of the view that after a pooja, > the marriage can be done. > > But *personally* according to me charts doesn't match > due to the presence of kuja dosha in girl's chart. So > marriage should be avoided. However you must consult > some professional astrologer before making any final > decision. > > Kind Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > > PS: As this is a matter of love, so even if you decide > to marry this girl in future, make sure, the girl has > attained the age of 28 (It is said that after 28 years > of age, kuja dosha gets reduced / cancelled). > > PPS: If the situations (some things are not under our > control) are like this that marriage must have to be > done before the girl has attained 28 years of age, I > suggest kumbha vivaha to be done for the girl and the > pot should be "Pravahit" in HOLY River Ganga. > > Sorry, there is nothing more that I can advise / > suggest. > > > > --- Abhishek Bajpai > wrote: > > > Sirji, > > Just wanted to check the marriage > > compatibility with my friend . > > She is mangalik and I'm not. So are we not > > compatible for marriage > > please, share your views. > > > > Details of Boy > > > > DoB 13-05-1977 > > ToB 0020 Hrs > > PoB Kanpur ( UP ) ( India) > > > > > > Details Of Girl > > > > DoB 12-08-1981 > > ToB 1700 Hrs > > PoB Nasik ( Maharashtra ) ( India ) > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Abhishek > > > > > > > ===== > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor [click here] > > ------------------------------ > Links > > * > / > > * > > > * Terms of > Service. > -- NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 4 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:30:11 -0000 "sushmita" Oppression by Husband and In-Laws Hello Sir's My dob is Novemeber 7th 1962 Time 10 PM indian standard time Place - Hyderabad South India i had earlier posted my dob and recieved my chart. I'am married to a man 19 years older to me. it has been 15 years we managed our live with quite a few ups and down. Recently i found out that my husband had not disclosed his family secrets to me all these years. he was married before and never had a family. He is overpowered by his mother and sister's as he can't stand up for himself. But at the same time he managed to handle me very smartly.Recently his sisters managed to transfer his property on to thier name . His family made sure that i do not get or have a say in his property. Which has devasted me as i have 2 small children. Now i live in a constant insecure atmosphere not knowing when my husband will give some bad news as they went to the extent of making him give me a seperation letter from a lawyer,which i managed to make him withdraw he did that to silence me as he did not want me to ask any question's regarding his assets which he long time ago gifted to elder sister as he was going thru a divorce, but never told me until recently when everything was done with. His date of birth us october 7th 1944. What i want to know is how much more will his sister's harm me and kids and control him. is there a happy ending of will i walk out of his life once my kids are grown up which iam thinking about constantly. How will this end! will he have the heart to be honest with me and fight for justice for his wife and children. ______________________ ______________________ Message: 5 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:36:08 -0000 "mr_bsgill" what is Gora Tamas Yoga? Hi there Can any one tell me about Gora Tamas Yoga? Thanks Bhupinder ______________________ ______________________ Message: 6 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:40:36 -0000 "Gaurav Sharma" Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! Dear All, -they certainly change the product Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no positive results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we get less results then also we are not close to No results as implied by never. -If anybody differs, I dont mind! Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the assertion that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen. -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas! (Signfications) Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece of glass and a gem. Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double) meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some results but not full. Gaurav , "kadrudra" wrote: > Dear All, > > SUB: Remedies and realisation > > > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if > you > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the > word 'never' > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or two > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for > >>remedies). > > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard > natural rules > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if they > are not followed, > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and how > this system is > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER SOME > CONSTRAINTS and > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or > elements change, they certainly change the product > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a person > who tries to get the product! > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote > NEVER they result if anything is changed. > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth discovered > NEVER changes. I was just > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody differs, I > dont mind! > > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great could > not even use a mantra to empower > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae ceased to > work! > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting some > result out of Mantra now..... > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use it as > PASHUPATA ASTRA!) > But what works now is the realisation of self! > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that, > automatically all needs are fulfilled! > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that to > get a RELIEVED feeling. > > > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the > first part Mani(gems) > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may > >>not be in the affordable range of some people). > > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI without > proper mantra but is a stone! > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it is > just 'effectless' piece of stone > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if > Saturn is strong in the horoscope! > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA is a > MANI protecting the wearer > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what worked > here? MIND and belief with same mantra! > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > materials - costlier or cheaper showing > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications) > > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I > think > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention. > > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if they > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare and > not into materialism. So its usually > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a lot > of mental and physical hurdles to get > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras were > invented by sages and not kings! > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father asked > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA, > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by DEVENDRA > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hello Sushmita: What were you thinking marrying a guy 18 years older than you? You already know he lied to you on serious matters so why do you want to continue to be with a liar? Dump him if he doesn't change is lying ways. Also, what are you trying to know. You've made a statement of fact that he lied to you on serious matters, but you want to astrologically know if he is honest????--what kind of a question/request is this? Is it your wishful thinking that "astrolocially" he may turn out bo honest even though you know he has lied to you. Relationships are built on trust. If he has consistently lied to you, then you should dump this dishonest, old hag and get yourself a good husband. Mukund > wrote: > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > "ashsam73" > 2. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > "V. Sreelatha" > 3. Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > Abhishek Bajpai > 4. Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > "sushmita" > 5. what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > "mr_bsgill" > 6. Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > "Gaurav Sharma" > 7. Re: Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > "Gaurav Sharma" > 8. Re: what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > tatvam asi > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:46:18 -0000 > "ashsam73" > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > Dear Tanvir, > I forgot to add this. > > If Pisces is the lagna then this chart does not auger well for > marriage or there is a divorse. This chart and the points for 7th do > not auger well for marriage. > > Do you have her husbands chart? > > I would like to see the relation of his Shani and Rahu to this lady's > Mars and his Venus to her Mars. If there is a strong relation then > there will be a lot of attraction between the couple and marriage may > not break. If not then Venus in krittika is spoilt and points for > 7th are low. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "ashsam73" > wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > This is what you have confirmed. > > > > 1) She is brilliant which match > > 2) You confirmed that she is married and married in MErc antra as > per > > Lahiri. This part I will write about in my analysis. > > > > These are the points you have not confirmed on. > > > > 1) If this lady is very egotistical and adament. Yes you have > > written that she is soft minded but I dont know what soft minded > > means. Her moon is in libra (in a house with 23 bindus) is that > what > > you mean ? With a whooping 38 bindus in lagna she must be as I > have > > said above and also short tempered. Please confirm this point. > > > > 2) She cannot tollerate injustice or lies. Please confirm this. > > > > 3) She is harsh in speech especially if people act as per point 2. > > > > 4) Between 2002/12 thru 2004/04 she might have travelled overseas. > > > > 5) During the above period she might have purchased car or a house > > i.e. in Moon antra as per Krushnas Ayanamsa. > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > About timing of Marraige. I had said that this lady might not have > > been married and you have confirmed that she is married in Mercury > > antra as per lahiri. However you have not giving the time so I can > > verify with Krushnas Ashtakvarg system and Krushnas ayanamsa. > > > > As per KAS mercury can give marraige but still Venus is in Krittika > > and all points for 7th house are low. > > > > Here are the points. Please see the only planet that can give > > marriage is Mercury and Ketu. Ketu is samdharmi to Mercury and > Guru > > and is more like Mercury (individual BhinaAshtakvarg points). > > > > Just so that the readers understand any points Above 12 from Sun to > > Saturn is strong. 12 is borderline and can go either way. > > > > If you study 7th house all points are low except that of Mercury > who > > has 12 points only. However he is lord of 4th. As per Krushnas > > Ashtakvarg system planets that are eager to giving "Timing of > event" > > are lords of 10th and 6th house from the house under focus. Since > > here we are talking of Marraige so the House under Focus is 7th > house > > and 10th from that is 4th and 6th from 7th is 12th. > > > > Here you have considered Mercury to give marriage as its 7th lord > as > > Per KAS it can give as its 4th lord and itself is placed in upchaya > > for 4th house and its in KArak sthan for 7th (8th from 7th) AND > > points are 12 so it can give. > > > > Since you and I use different ayanamsa here timing is important. > Can > > you please confirm the timing of marriage. It should be in 2nd > > sector in Mercury antra. In any case please give the date of > > marriage. It will be good learning. 2nd sector should be roughly > > from Jan 1997 thru Nov 1997. I will leave it till here and not > > narrow down further using suns transit. > > > > > > > > House Signs SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve > > Sa > > 1 Pisces 38 13 23 10 11 18 12 > > 10 > > 2 Aries 19 2 13 14 13 16 6 > > 14 > > 3 Taurus 23 9 19 17 8 2 15 > > 11 > > 4 Gemini 27 11 17 17 13 17 14 > > 9 > > 5 Cancer 22 6 15 18 3 21 11 > > 23 > > 6 Leo 37 17 20 22 14 20 15 > > 15 > > 7 Virgo 24 3 9 11 12 10 8 > > 7 > > 8 Libra 23 12 15 15 10 17 12 > > 12 > > 9 Scorpio 29 15 17 21 10 14 7 > > 14 > > 10 Sagittarius 39 8 15 13 10 9 > > 13 10 > > 11 Capricorn 29 10 21 15 16 9 > > 14 4 > > 12 Aquarius 27 8 17 14 12 10 > > 9 3 > > > > > > > > In any case to the question on relation with her mother .. Lagna > and > > 3rd lord (I use 3rd house for mother and 9th for father) are in nav > > pancham (5:9) so its showing good harmony. > > At the same time lagna in relation to 9th lord is in 2:12 in rasi > and > > 6:8 in navamasa. So its showing that she will be close to her > mother > > as compared to her father. > > > > > > Waiting for your confirmations. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > wrote: > > > Thanks for the analysis. From what I think, she is brilliant but > > not > > > difficult to reason with. She is soft minded but has a spirit to > > > fight life. She is married and her marriage happened in her Merc > AD > > > using Lahiri Ayanamsha. merc is 7L and marriage can happen in > other > > > ADs but in her case I guessed that perhaps her marriage might > have > > > happened in Merc AD, it was true. > > > > > > Waiting for what you have to say. > > > > > > Regards > > > Tanvir > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > I had a chance to go through this chart. Lagna at 25Pi50 with > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa. Lagna changes in 15 mins. I am assuming > that > > > the > > > > given birth time is accurate and make these observations. > > > > > > > > This lady has 38 bindus in her lagna. If the birth time is > right > > > > then this lady must be one very adament, egoistic and my way of > > the > > > > high way kinda attitude. Very difficult person to reason > with. > > > She > > > > would also be very uncompromising and dominating. She is > > brilliant > > > > with a photographic memory. > > > > > > > > With Aries lagna she would be extreme opposite. Lagna would > have > > > > only 21 bindus so she would be very adjusting and compromising > > with > > > > average brilliance. This would be a good check for lagna. > > > > > > > > In any case I am going with the birth time given by you and > > > > proceeding. > > > > > > > > She also will not like to tollerate injustice and will be harsh > > in > > > > speach if someone does things unethically. Here SAV points in > > > 3:6:10 > > > > are in increasing order 23:37:39 showing down to earth person > > with > > > > good social standing and very hardworking. Her profession > linked > > > to > > > > Mars and Mercury. She is a very brilliant person with > > photographic > > > > memory. > > > > > > > > Venus is in krittika and mostly all her points for 7th house is > > > weak > > > > in Ashtakvarg strength. What about marritial status of this > > > lady ? > > > > I do not think she is married. This chart does not auger well > for > > > > maritial life. Though she might have come close to someone > > during > > > > Guru/Moon antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa which is 2002/12 thru > > > > 2004/04 in the last sector so since say Nov/Dec 2003 thru > > > > 2004/April. Good income during this time of Moon antra and > also > > > > recognition. Might have travlled overseas also and might have > > > > purchased car/house. > > > > > > > > Ok, I will stop here and wait for your feeback. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:05 -0000 > "V. Sreelatha" > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > Dear Tanvir, > > I admire your honesty! Everybody is so intent on tooting their own > horn and only talk about their successes, and you, being such a wise > and experienced astrologer, are openly talking about your failure!! > Very impressive. Confirms my opinion that you are indeed an expert, > since, as they say, "vidya dadaati vinayam"... education/knowledge > gives a person humility. > > BTW, great job, creating and maintaining this newsgroup. I learn a > lot here. Pretty neat web site too! > > -VS > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 3 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:24:01 +0100 > Abhishek Bajpai > Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > > Tanveer, > Neeraj has suggested to go for second opinion . Could I ask you > to personally look at the compatibility please. > > Neeraj, > Thanks a lot for looking into it. > > Thanks and Regards, > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > ------- > > Re: Marriage Compatibility > Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:40:21 -0700 (PDT) > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > I matched your charts. As far as points are concerned, > > it goes fine with 28 points, but the chart of the girl > > has Kuja (manglik) dosha, as mars is present in 7th > > house. Also mars is niether debiliated nor combusted. > > Few astrologers are of the view that after a pooja, > > the marriage can be done. > > > > But *personally* according to me charts doesn't match > > due to the presence of kuja dosha in girl's chart. So > > marriage should be avoided. However you must consult > > some professional astrologer before making any final > > decision. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > PS: As this is a matter of love, so even if you decide > > to marry this girl in future, make sure, the girl has > > attained the age of 28 (It is said that after 28 years > > of age, kuja dosha gets reduced / cancelled). > > > > PPS: If the situations (some things are not under our > > control) are like this that marriage must have to be > > done before the girl has attained 28 years of age, I > > suggest kumbha vivaha to be done for the girl and the > > pot should be "Pravahit" in HOLY River Ganga. > > > > Sorry, there is nothing more that I can advise / > > suggest. > > > > > > > > --- Abhishek Bajpai > > wrote: > > > > > Sirji, > > > Just wanted to check the marriage > > > compatibility with my friend . > > > She is mangalik and I'm not. So are we not > > > compatible for marriage > > > please, share your views. > > > > > > Details of Boy > > > > > > DoB 13-05-1977 > > > ToB 0020 Hrs > > > PoB Kanpur ( UP ) ( India) > > > > > > > > > Details Of Girl > > > > > > DoB 12-08-1981 > > > ToB 1700 Hrs > > > PoB Nasik ( Maharashtra ) ( India ) > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Sponsor > > [click here] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * > > > > > > * Terms of > > Service. > > > -- > NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender > does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 4 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:30:11 -0000 > "sushmita" > Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > > Hello Sir's > My dob is Novemeber 7th 1962 > Time 10 PM indian standard time > Place - Hyderabad South India > > i had earlier posted my dob and recieved my chart. I'am married to a > man 19 years older to me. it has been 15 years we managed our live > with quite a few ups and down. Recently i found out that my husband > had not disclosed his family secrets to me all these years. he was > married before and never had a family. He is overpowered by his > mother and sister's as he can't stand up for himself. But at the same > time he managed to handle me very smartly.Recently his sisters > managed to transfer his property on to thier name . His family made > sure that i do not get or have a say in his property. Which has > devasted me as i have 2 small children. Now i live in a constant > insecure atmosphere not knowing when my husband will give some bad > news as they went to the extent of making him give me a seperation > letter from a lawyer,which i managed to make him withdraw he did that > to silence me as he did not want me to ask any question's regarding > his assets which he long time ago gifted to elder sister as he was > going thru a divorce, but never told me until recently when > everything was done with. > His date of birth us october 7th 1944. > What i want to know is how much more will his sister's harm me and > kids and control him. is there a happy ending of will i walk out of > his life once my kids are grown up which iam thinking about > constantly. > How will this end! will he have the heart to be honest with me and > fight for justice for his wife and children. > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 5 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:36:08 -0000 > "mr_bsgill" > what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > > Hi there > Can any one tell me about Gora Tamas Yoga? > > Thanks > > Bhupinder > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 6 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:40:36 -0000 > "Gaurav Sharma" > Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > Dear All, > > -they certainly change the product > > Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no positive > results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we > get less results then also we are not close to No results as implied > by never. > > -If anybody differs, I dont mind! > > Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the assertion > that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen. > > -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas! > (Signfications) > > Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece of > glass and a gem. > > Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double) > meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some > results but not full. > > > Gaurav > > > , "kadrudra" > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > SUB: Remedies and realisation > > > > > > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the > > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if > > you > > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the > > word 'never' > > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by > > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or > two > > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that > > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for > > >>remedies). > > > > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard > > natural rules > > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if they > > are not followed, > > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and > how > > this system is > > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER > SOME > > CONSTRAINTS and > > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or > > elements change, they certainly change the product > > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a person > > who tries to get the product! > > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote > > NEVER they result if anything is changed. > > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth discovered > > NEVER changes. I was just > > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody differs, > I > > dont mind! > > > > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of > > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was > > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great > could > > not even use a mantra to empower > > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae ceased > to > > work! > > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting > some > > result out of Mantra now..... > > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a > > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use it > as > > PASHUPATA ASTRA!) > > But what works now is the realisation of self! > > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that, > > automatically all needs are fulfilled! > > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that > to > > get a RELIEVED feeling. > > > > > > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the > > first part Mani(gems) > > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may > > >>not be in the affordable range of some people). > > > > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI > without > > proper mantra but is a stone! > > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it is > > just 'effectless' piece of stone > > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if > > Saturn is strong in the horoscope! > > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA is > a > > MANI protecting the wearer > > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what worked > > here? MIND and belief with same mantra! > > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > > materials - costlier or cheaper showing > > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications) > > > > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I > > think > > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention. > > > > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if > they > > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY > > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare and > > not into materialism. So its usually > > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a lot > > of mental and physical hurdles to get > > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras > were > > invented by sages and not kings! > > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father asked > > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA, > > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by DEVENDRA > > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always > > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a > > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA > > === message truncated === > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 :-) You don't believe in mincing your words, do you Mukund!! I do agree with your logic. Sushmita Ji, I am sorry to hear about your troubles. However, even if you knew his birth time, the honesty/dishonesty of a person is difficult to determine astrologically, since it is in one of the higher divisional charts, i.e. the birth time needs to be very accurate. Plus, as Mukund pointed out, you know the answer to this question already from his past behaviour. Is your real question that last sentence in your posting, "I'm not sure what he might do next"? -Sreelatha , "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote: > Hello Sushmita: > > What were you thinking marrying a guy 18 years older than you? > > You already know he lied to you on serious matters so why do you want > to continue to be with a liar? Dump him if he doesn't change is lying > ways. > > Also, what are you trying to know. You've made a statement of fact > that he lied to you on serious matters, but you want to > astrologically know if he is honest????--what kind of a > question/request is this? > > Is it your wishful thinking that "astrolocially" he may turn out bo > honest even though you know he has lied to you. > > Relationships are built on trust. If he has consistently lied to you, > then you should dump this dishonest, old hag and get yourself a good > husband. > > Mukund > > > wrote: > > > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > > > Topics in this digest: > > > > 1. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > "ashsam73" > > 2. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > "V. Sreelatha" > > 3. Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > > Abhishek Bajpai > > 4. Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > > "sushmita" > > 5. what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > > "mr_bsgill" > > 6. Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > "Gaurav Sharma" > > 7. Re: Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > > "Gaurav Sharma" > > 8. Re: what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > > tatvam asi > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 1 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:46:18 -0000 > > "ashsam73" > > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > I forgot to add this. > > > > If Pisces is the lagna then this chart does not auger well for > > marriage or there is a divorse. This chart and the points for 7th > do > > not auger well for marriage. > > > > Do you have her husbands chart? > > > > I would like to see the relation of his Shani and Rahu to this > lady's > > Mars and his Venus to her Mars. If there is a strong relation then > > there will be a lot of attraction between the couple and marriage > may > > not break. If not then Venus in krittika is spoilt and points for > > 7th are low. > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > wrote: > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > This is what you have confirmed. > > > > > > 1) She is brilliant which match > > > 2) You confirmed that she is married and married in MErc antra as > > per > > > Lahiri. This part I will write about in my analysis. > > > > > > These are the points you have not confirmed on. > > > > > > 1) If this lady is very egotistical and adament. Yes you have > > > written that she is soft minded but I dont know what soft minded > > > means. Her moon is in libra (in a house with 23 bindus) is that > > what > > > you mean ? With a whooping 38 bindus in lagna she must be as I > > have > > > said above and also short tempered. Please confirm this point. > > > > > > 2) She cannot tollerate injustice or lies. Please confirm this. > > > > > > 3) She is harsh in speech especially if people act as per point 2. > > > > > > 4) Between 2002/12 thru 2004/04 she might have travelled overseas. > > > > > > 5) During the above period she might have purchased car or a > house > > > i.e. in Moon antra as per Krushnas Ayanamsa. > > > > > > ------------------------------ -- > > > > > > About timing of Marraige. I had said that this lady might not > have > > > been married and you have confirmed that she is married in > Mercury > > > antra as per lahiri. However you have not giving the time so I > can > > > verify with Krushnas Ashtakvarg system and Krushnas ayanamsa. > > > > > > As per KAS mercury can give marraige but still Venus is in > Krittika > > > and all points for 7th house are low. > > > > > > Here are the points. Please see the only planet that can give > > > marriage is Mercury and Ketu. Ketu is samdharmi to Mercury and > > Guru > > > and is more like Mercury (individual BhinaAshtakvarg points). > > > > > > Just so that the readers understand any points Above 12 from Sun > to > > > Saturn is strong. 12 is borderline and can go either way. > > > > > > If you study 7th house all points are low except that of Mercury > > who > > > has 12 points only. However he is lord of 4th. As per Krushnas > > > Ashtakvarg system planets that are eager to giving "Timing of > > event" > > > are lords of 10th and 6th house from the house under focus. Since > > > here we are talking of Marraige so the House under Focus is 7th > > house > > > and 10th from that is 4th and 6th from 7th is 12th. > > > > > > Here you have considered Mercury to give marriage as its 7th lord > > as > > > Per KAS it can give as its 4th lord and itself is placed in > upchaya > > > for 4th house and its in KArak sthan for 7th (8th from 7th) AND > > > points are 12 so it can give. > > > > > > Since you and I use different ayanamsa here timing is important. > > Can > > > you please confirm the timing of marriage. It should be in 2nd > > > sector in Mercury antra. In any case please give the date of > > > marriage. It will be good learning. 2nd sector should be roughly > > > from Jan 1997 thru Nov 1997. I will leave it till here and not > > > narrow down further using suns transit. > > > > > > > > > > > > House Signs SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve > > > Sa > > > 1 Pisces 38 13 23 10 11 18 12 > > > 10 > > > 2 Aries 19 2 13 14 13 16 6 > > > 14 > > > 3 Taurus 23 9 19 17 8 2 15 > > > 11 > > > 4 Gemini 27 11 17 17 13 17 14 > > > 9 > > > 5 Cancer 22 6 15 18 3 21 11 > > > 23 > > > 6 Leo 37 17 20 22 14 20 15 > > > 15 > > > 7 Virgo 24 3 9 11 12 10 8 > > > 7 > > > 8 Libra 23 12 15 15 10 17 12 > > > 12 > > > 9 Scorpio 29 15 17 21 10 14 7 > > > 14 > > > 10 Sagittarius 39 8 15 13 10 9 > > > 13 10 > > > 11 Capricorn 29 10 21 15 16 9 > > > 14 4 > > > 12 Aquarius 27 8 17 14 12 10 > > > 9 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case to the question on relation with her mother .. Lagna > > and > > > 3rd lord (I use 3rd house for mother and 9th for father) are in > nav > > > pancham (5:9) so its showing good harmony. > > > At the same time lagna in relation to 9th lord is in 2:12 in rasi > > and > > > 6:8 in navamasa. So its showing that she will be close to her > > mother > > > as compared to her father. > > > > > > > > > Waiting for your confirmations. > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > wrote: > > > > Thanks for the analysis. From what I think, she is brilliant > but > > > not > > > > difficult to reason with. She is soft minded but has a spirit > to > > > > fight life. She is married and her marriage happened in her > Merc > > AD > > > > using Lahiri Ayanamsha. merc is 7L and marriage can happen in > > other > > > > ADs but in her case I guessed that perhaps her marriage might > > have > > > > happened in Merc AD, it was true. > > > > > > > > Waiting for what you have to say. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > I had a chance to go through this chart. Lagna at 25Pi50 with > > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa. Lagna changes in 15 mins. I am assuming > > that > > > > the > > > > > given birth time is accurate and make these observations. > > > > > > > > > > This lady has 38 bindus in her lagna. If the birth time is > > right > > > > > then this lady must be one very adament, egoistic and my way > of > > > the > > > > > high way kinda attitude. Very difficult person to reason > > with. > > > > She > > > > > would also be very uncompromising and dominating. She is > > > brilliant > > > > > with a photographic memory. > > > > > > > > > > With Aries lagna she would be extreme opposite. Lagna would > > have > > > > > only 21 bindus so she would be very adjusting and > compromising > > > with > > > > > average brilliance. This would be a good check for lagna. > > > > > > > > > > In any case I am going with the birth time given by you and > > > > > proceeding. > > > > > > > > > > She also will not like to tollerate injustice and will be > harsh > > > in > > > > > speach if someone does things unethically. Here SAV points in > > > > 3:6:10 > > > > > are in increasing order 23:37:39 showing down to earth person > > > with > > > > > good social standing and very hardworking. Her profession > > linked > > > > to > > > > > Mars and Mercury. She is a very brilliant person with > > > photographic > > > > > memory. > > > > > > > > > > Venus is in krittika and mostly all her points for 7th house > is > > > > weak > > > > > in Ashtakvarg strength. What about marritial status of this > > > > lady ? > > > > > I do not think she is married. This chart does not auger well > > for > > > > > maritial life. Though she might have come close to someone > > > during > > > > > Guru/Moon antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa which is 2002/12 > thru > > > > > 2004/04 in the last sector so since say Nov/Dec 2003 thru > > > > > 2004/April. Good income during this time of Moon antra and > > also > > > > > recognition. Might have travlled overseas also and might have > > > > > purchased car/house. > > > > > > > > > > Ok, I will stop here and wait for your feeback. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 2 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:05 -0000 > > "V. Sreelatha" > > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > I admire your honesty! Everybody is so intent on tooting their own > > horn and only talk about their successes, and you, being such a > wise > > and experienced astrologer, are openly talking about your failure!! > > Very impressive. Confirms my opinion that you are indeed an expert, > > since, as they say, "vidya dadaati vinayam"... education/knowledge > > gives a person humility. > > > > BTW, great job, creating and maintaining this newsgroup. I learn a > > lot here. Pretty neat web site too! > > > > -VS > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 3 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:24:01 +0100 > > Abhishek Bajpai > > Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > > > > Tanveer, > > Neeraj has suggested to go for second opinion . Could I ask you > > to personally look at the compatibility please. > > > > Neeraj, > > Thanks a lot for looking into it. > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------- > > > Re: Marriage Compatibility > > Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:40:21 -0700 (PDT) > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > > > I matched your charts. As far as points are concerned, > > > it goes fine with 28 points, but the chart of the girl > > > has Kuja (manglik) dosha, as mars is present in 7th > > > house. Also mars is niether debiliated nor combusted. > > > Few astrologers are of the view that after a pooja, > > > the marriage can be done. > > > > > > But *personally* according to me charts doesn't match > > > due to the presence of kuja dosha in girl's chart. So > > > marriage should be avoided. However you must consult > > > some professional astrologer before making any final > > > decision. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > PS: As this is a matter of love, so even if you decide > > > to marry this girl in future, make sure, the girl has > > > attained the age of 28 (It is said that after 28 years > > > of age, kuja dosha gets reduced / cancelled). > > > > > > PPS: If the situations (some things are not under our > > > control) are like this that marriage must have to be > > > done before the girl has attained 28 years of age, I > > > suggest kumbha vivaha to be done for the girl and the > > > pot should be "Pravahit" in HOLY River Ganga. > > > > > > Sorry, there is nothing more that I can advise / > > > suggest. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Abhishek Bajpai > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Sirji, > > > > Just wanted to check the marriage > > > > compatibility with my friend . > > > > She is mangalik and I'm not. So are we not > > > > compatible for marriage > > > > please, share your views. > > > > > > > > Details of Boy > > > > > > > > DoB 13-05-1977 > > > > ToB 0020 Hrs > > > > PoB Kanpur ( UP ) ( India) > > > > > > > > > > > > Details Of Girl > > > > > > > > DoB 12-08-1981 > > > > ToB 1700 Hrs > > > > PoB Nasik ( Maharashtra ) ( India ) > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ===== > > > http://www.neerajgupta.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > [click here] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Links > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > * Terms of > > > Service. > > > > > -- > > NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. > Sender > > does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 4 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:30:11 -0000 > > "sushmita" > > Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > > > > Hello Sir's > > My dob is Novemeber 7th 1962 > > Time 10 PM indian standard time > > Place - Hyderabad South India > > > > i had earlier posted my dob and recieved my chart. I'am married to > a > > man 19 years older to me. it has been 15 years we managed our live > > with quite a few ups and down. Recently i found out that my husband > > had not disclosed his family secrets to me all these years. he was > > married before and never had a family. He is overpowered by his > > mother and sister's as he can't stand up for himself. But at the > same > > time he managed to handle me very smartly.Recently his sisters > > managed to transfer his property on to thier name . His family made > > sure that i do not get or have a say in his property. Which has > > devasted me as i have 2 small children. Now i live in a constant > > insecure atmosphere not knowing when my husband will give some bad > > news as they went to the extent of making him give me a seperation > > letter from a lawyer,which i managed to make him withdraw he did > that > > to silence me as he did not want me to ask any question's regarding > > his assets which he long time ago gifted to elder sister as he was > > going thru a divorce, but never told me until recently when > > everything was done with. > > His date of birth us october 7th 1944. > > What i want to know is how much more will his sister's harm me and > > kids and control him. is there a happy ending of will i walk out of > > his life once my kids are grown up which iam thinking about > > constantly. > > How will this end! will he have the heart to be honest with me and > > fight for justice for his wife and children. > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 5 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:36:08 -0000 > > "mr_bsgill" > > what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > > > > Hi there > > Can any one tell me about Gora Tamas Yoga? > > > > Thanks > > > > Bhupinder > > > > > > > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > ___________________ _ > __ > > > > Message: 6 > > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:40:36 -0000 > > "Gaurav Sharma" > > Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > > > Dear All, > > > > -they certainly change the product > > > > Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no > positive > > results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we > > get less results then also we are not close to No results as > implied > > by never. > > > > -If anybody differs, I dont mind! > > > > Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the > assertion > > that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen. > > > > -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > > materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas! > > (Signfications) > > > > Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece > of > > glass and a gem. > > > > Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double) > > meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some > > results but not full. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "kadrudra" > > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > SUB: Remedies and realisation > > > > > > > > > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the > > > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion > that "if > > > you > > > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the > > > word 'never' > > > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested > by > > > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or > > two > > > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that > > > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks > for > > > >>remedies). > > > > > > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard > > > natural rules > > > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if > they > > > are not followed, > > > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and > > how > > > this system is > > > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER > > SOME > > > CONSTRAINTS and > > > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or > > > elements change, they certainly change the product > > > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a > person > > > who tries to get the product! > > > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote > > > NEVER they result if anything is changed. > > > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth > discovered > > > NEVER changes. I was just > > > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody > differs, > > I > > > dont mind! > > > > > > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of > > > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was > > > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great > > could > > > not even use a mantra to empower > > > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae > ceased > > to > > > work! > > > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting > > some > > > result out of Mantra now..... > > > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a > > > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use > it > > as > > > PASHUPATA ASTRA!) > > > But what works now is the realisation of self! > > > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that, > > > automatically all needs are fulfilled! > > > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that > > to > > > get a RELIEVED feeling. > > > > > > > > > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the > > > first part Mani(gems) > > > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they > may > > > >>not be in the affordable range of some people). > > > > > > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI > > without > > > proper mantra but is a stone! > > > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it > is > > > just 'effectless' piece of stone > > > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if > > > Saturn is strong in the horoscope! > > > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA > is > > a > > > MANI protecting the wearer > > > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what > worked > > > here? MIND and belief with same mantra! > > > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > > > materials - costlier or cheaper showing > > > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications) > > > > > > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". > I > > > think > > > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the > intention. > > > > > > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if > > they > > > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY > > > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare > and > > > not into materialism. So its usually > > > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a > lot > > > of mental and physical hurdles to get > > > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras > > were > > > invented by sages and not kings! > > > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father > asked > > > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA, > > > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by > DEVENDRA > > > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always > > > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a > > > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA > > > > === message truncated === > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Hello dear Sushmita, Hare Krishna. Hope this finds you in the best of your health and spirit. According to your birth data, the sign Gemini is rising in the Ascendant. Rahu and Ketu are the malefic planets and the rests are benefic. At present you are going through Me/Ra/Ra period. Mercury which is one of the significator of husband is combusted and therefore, it is considered weak. Moreover, your primary Lord Jupiter,significator of husband is occuyping in the house of Saturn. You are in the main weak benefic period and in the malefic sub period of Rahu which are the reasons for your family disturbance. In your chart, there is no indications of separation or divorce because the lord of the maritel tie Sat.is in his own 8h. Sat. is at R/K axis and further Sat. is debilited in Navamsa. So, your husband is as he is (Manipulator, lying, cheating etc.) who he is (older in age). Due to your Karma, some how or an other, you got stuck with him. That is why, you even compromised with your husband divorce paper as you mentioned. My suggestion, please do not argue with him. Propitiate Rahu and Ketu and strengthen your weak benefic planets particularly Saturn first and so on, as soon as possible. OM TAT SAT. With my best wishes..................Amar Puri. > > There are 8 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > "ashsam73" > 2. Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > "V. Sreelatha" > 3. Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > Abhishek Bajpai > 4. Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > "sushmita" > 5. what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > "mr_bsgill" > 6. Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > "Gaurav Sharma" > 7. Re: Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > "Gaurav Sharma" > 8. Re: what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > tatvam asi > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 1 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:46:18 -0000 > "ashsam73" > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > Dear Tanvir, > I forgot to add this. > > If Pisces is the lagna then this chart does not auger well for > marriage or there is a divorse. This chart and the points for 7th do > not auger well for marriage. > > Do you have her husbands chart? > > I would like to see the relation of his Shani and Rahu to this lady's > Mars and his Venus to her Mars. If there is a strong relation then > there will be a lot of attraction between the couple and marriage may > not break. If not then Venus in krittika is spoilt and points for > 7th are low. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "ashsam73" > wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > This is what you have confirmed. > > > > 1) She is brilliant which match > > 2) You confirmed that she is married and married in MErc antra as > per > > Lahiri. This part I will write about in my analysis. > > > > These are the points you have not confirmed on. > > > > 1) If this lady is very egotistical and adament. Yes you have > > written that she is soft minded but I dont know what soft minded > > means. Her moon is in libra (in a house with 23 bindus) is that > what > > you mean ? With a whooping 38 bindus in lagna she must be as I > have > > said above and also short tempered. Please confirm this point. > > > > 2) She cannot tollerate injustice or lies. Please confirm this. > > > > 3) She is harsh in speech especially if people act as per point 2. > > > > 4) Between 2002/12 thru 2004/04 she might have travelled overseas. > > > > 5) During the above period she might have purchased car or a house > > i.e. in Moon antra as per Krushnas Ayanamsa. > > > > -------------------------------- > > > > About timing of Marraige. I had said that this lady might not have > > been married and you have confirmed that she is married in Mercury > > antra as per lahiri. However you have not giving the time so I can > > verify with Krushnas Ashtakvarg system and Krushnas ayanamsa. > > > > As per KAS mercury can give marraige but still Venus is in Krittika > > and all points for 7th house are low. > > > > Here are the points. Please see the only planet that can give > > marriage is Mercury and Ketu. Ketu is samdharmi to Mercury and > Guru > > and is more like Mercury (individual BhinaAshtakvarg points). > > > > Just so that the readers understand any points Above 12 from Sun to > > Saturn is strong. 12 is borderline and can go either way. > > > > If you study 7th house all points are low except that of Mercury > who > > has 12 points only. However he is lord of 4th. As per Krushnas > > Ashtakvarg system planets that are eager to giving "Timing of > event" > > are lords of 10th and 6th house from the house under focus. Since > > here we are talking of Marraige so the House under Focus is 7th > house > > and 10th from that is 4th and 6th from 7th is 12th. > > > > Here you have considered Mercury to give marriage as its 7th lord > as > > Per KAS it can give as its 4th lord and itself is placed in upchaya > > for 4th house and its in KArak sthan for 7th (8th from 7th) AND > > points are 12 so it can give. > > > > Since you and I use different ayanamsa here timing is important. > Can > > you please confirm the timing of marriage. It should be in 2nd > > sector in Mercury antra. In any case please give the date of > > marriage. It will be good learning. 2nd sector should be roughly > > from Jan 1997 thru Nov 1997. I will leave it till here and not > > narrow down further using suns transit. > > > > > > > > House Signs SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve > > Sa > > 1 Pisces 38 13 23 10 11 18 12 > > 10 > > 2 Aries 19 2 13 14 13 16 6 > > 14 > > 3 Taurus 23 9 19 17 8 2 15 > > 11 > > 4 Gemini 27 11 17 17 13 17 14 > > 9 > > 5 Cancer 22 6 15 18 3 21 11 > > 23 > > 6 Leo 37 17 20 22 14 20 15 > > 15 > > 7 Virgo 24 3 9 11 12 10 8 > > 7 > > 8 Libra 23 12 15 15 10 17 12 > > 12 > > 9 Scorpio 29 15 17 21 10 14 7 > > 14 > > 10 Sagittarius 39 8 15 13 10 9 > > 13 10 > > 11 Capricorn 29 10 21 15 16 9 > > 14 4 > > 12 Aquarius 27 8 17 14 12 10 > > 9 3 > > > > > > > > In any case to the question on relation with her mother .. Lagna > and > > 3rd lord (I use 3rd house for mother and 9th for father) are in nav > > pancham (5:9) so its showing good harmony. > > At the same time lagna in relation to 9th lord is in 2:12 in rasi > and > > 6:8 in navamasa. So its showing that she will be close to her > mother > > as compared to her father. > > > > > > Waiting for your confirmations. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > wrote: > > > Thanks for the analysis. From what I think, she is brilliant but > > not > > > difficult to reason with. She is soft minded but has a spirit to > > > fight life. She is married and her marriage happened in her Merc > AD > > > using Lahiri Ayanamsha. merc is 7L and marriage can happen in > other > > > ADs but in her case I guessed that perhaps her marriage might > have > > > happened in Merc AD, it was true. > > > > > > Waiting for what you have to say. > > > > > > Regards > > > Tanvir > > > > > > , "ashsam73" > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > > > > I had a chance to go through this chart. Lagna at 25Pi50 with > > > > Krushnas Ayanamsa. Lagna changes in 15 mins. I am assuming > that > > > the > > > > given birth time is accurate and make these observations. > > > > > > > > This lady has 38 bindus in her lagna. If the birth time is > right > > > > then this lady must be one very adament, egoistic and my way of > > the > > > > high way kinda attitude. Very difficult person to reason > with. > > > She > > > > would also be very uncompromising and dominating. She is > > brilliant > > > > with a photographic memory. > > > > > > > > With Aries lagna she would be extreme opposite. Lagna would > have > > > > only 21 bindus so she would be very adjusting and compromising > > with > > > > average brilliance. This would be a good check for lagna. > > > > > > > > In any case I am going with the birth time given by you and > > > > proceeding. > > > > > > > > She also will not like to tollerate injustice and will be harsh > > in > > > > speach if someone does things unethically. Here SAV points in > > > 3:6:10 > > > > are in increasing order 23:37:39 showing down to earth person > > with > > > > good social standing and very hardworking. Her profession > linked > > > to > > > > Mars and Mercury. She is a very brilliant person with > > photographic > > > > memory. > > > > > > > > Venus is in krittika and mostly all her points for 7th house is > > > weak > > > > in Ashtakvarg strength. What about marritial status of this > > > lady ? > > > > I do not think she is married. This chart does not auger well > for > > > > maritial life. Though she might have come close to someone > > during > > > > Guru/Moon antra as per Krushnas ayanamsa which is 2002/12 thru > > > > 2004/04 in the last sector so since say Nov/Dec 2003 thru > > > > 2004/April. Good income during this time of Moon antra and > also > > > > recognition. Might have travlled overseas also and might have > > > > purchased car/house. > > > > > > > > Ok, I will stop here and wait for your feeback. > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 2 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:02:05 -0000 > "V. Sreelatha" > Re: My Failure : Mysterious chart! > > Dear Tanvir, > > I admire your honesty! Everybody is so intent on tooting their own > horn and only talk about their successes, and you, being such a wise > and experienced astrologer, are openly talking about your failure!! > Very impressive. Confirms my opinion that you are indeed an expert, > since, as they say, "vidya dadaati vinayam"... education/knowledge > gives a person humility. > > BTW, great job, creating and maintaining this newsgroup. I learn a > lot here. Pretty neat web site too! > > -VS > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 3 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:24:01 +0100 > Abhishek Bajpai > Re: [Fwd: Re: Marriage Compatibility] > > Tanveer, > Neeraj has suggested to go for second opinion . Could I ask you > to personally look at the compatibility please. > > Neeraj, > Thanks a lot for looking into it. > > Thanks and Regards, > Abhishek > > > > > > > > > ------- > > Re: Marriage Compatibility > Sun, 8 Aug 2004 01:40:21 -0700 (PDT) > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > Dear Abhishek, > > > > I matched your charts. As far as points are concerned, > > it goes fine with 28 points, but the chart of the girl > > has Kuja (manglik) dosha, as mars is present in 7th > > house. Also mars is niether debiliated nor combusted. > > Few astrologers are of the view that after a pooja, > > the marriage can be done. > > > > But *personally* according to me charts doesn't match > > due to the presence of kuja dosha in girl's chart. So > > marriage should be avoided. However you must consult > > some professional astrologer before making any final > > decision. > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > PS: As this is a matter of love, so even if you decide > > to marry this girl in future, make sure, the girl has > > attained the age of 28 (It is said that after 28 years > > of age, kuja dosha gets reduced / cancelled). > > > > PPS: If the situations (some things are not under our > > control) are like this that marriage must have to be > > done before the girl has attained 28 years of age, I > > suggest kumbha vivaha to be done for the girl and the > > pot should be "Pravahit" in HOLY River Ganga. > > > > Sorry, there is nothing more that I can advise / > > suggest. > > > > > > > > --- Abhishek Bajpai > > wrote: > > > > > Sirji, > > > Just wanted to check the marriage > > > compatibility with my friend . > > > She is mangalik and I'm not. 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Sender > does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited. > > > > > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 4 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:30:11 -0000 > "sushmita" > Oppression by Husband and In-Laws > > Hello Sir's > My dob is Novemeber 7th 1962 > Time 10 PM indian standard time > Place - Hyderabad South India > > i had earlier posted my dob and recieved my chart. I'am married to a > man 19 years older to me. it has been 15 years we managed our live > with quite a few ups and down. Recently i found out that my husband > had not disclosed his family secrets to me all these years. he was > married before and never had a family. He is overpowered by his > mother and sister's as he can't stand up for himself. But at the same > time he managed to handle me very smartly.Recently his sisters > managed to transfer his property on to thier name . His family made > sure that i do not get or have a say in his property. Which has > devasted me as i have 2 small children. Now i live in a constant > insecure atmosphere not knowing when my husband will give some bad > news as they went to the extent of making him give me a seperation > letter from a lawyer,which i managed to make him withdraw he did that > to silence me as he did not want me to ask any question's regarding > his assets which he long time ago gifted to elder sister as he was > going thru a divorce, but never told me until recently when > everything was done with. > His date of birth us october 7th 1944. > What i want to know is how much more will his sister's harm me and > kids and control him. is there a happy ending of will i walk out of > his life once my kids are grown up which iam thinking about > constantly. > How will this end! will he have the heart to be honest with me and > fight for justice for his wife and children. > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 5 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:36:08 -0000 > "mr_bsgill" > what is Gora Tamas Yoga? > > Hi there > Can any one tell me about Gora Tamas Yoga? > > Thanks > > Bhupinder > > > > ____________________ __ > ____________________ __ > > Message: 6 > Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:40:36 -0000 > "Gaurav Sharma" > Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > Dear All, > > -they certainly change the product > > Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no positive > results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we > get less results then also we are not close to No results as implied > by never. > > -If anybody differs, I dont mind! > > Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the assertion > that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen. > > -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas! > (Signfications) > > Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece of > glass and a gem. > > Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double) > meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some > results but not full. > > > Gaurav > > > , "kadrudra" > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > SUB: Remedies and realisation > > > > > > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the > > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if > > you > > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the > > word 'never' > > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by > > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or > two > > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that > > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for > > >>remedies). > > > > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard > > natural rules > > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if they > > are not followed, > > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and > how > > this system is > > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER > SOME > > CONSTRAINTS and > > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or > > elements change, they certainly change the product > > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a person > > who tries to get the product! > > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote > > NEVER they result if anything is changed. > > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth discovered > > NEVER changes. I was just > > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody differs, > I > > dont mind! > > > > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of > > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was > > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great > could > > not even use a mantra to empower > > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae ceased > to > > work! > > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting > some > > result out of Mantra now..... > > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a > > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use it > as > > PASHUPATA ASTRA!) > > But what works now is the realisation of self! > > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that, > > automatically all needs are fulfilled! > > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that > to > > get a RELIEVED feeling. > > > > > > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the > > first part Mani(gems) > > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may > > >>not be in the affordable range of some people). > > > > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI > without > > proper mantra but is a stone! > > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it is > > just 'effectless' piece of stone > > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if > > Saturn is strong in the horoscope! > > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA is > a > > MANI protecting the wearer > > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what worked > > here? MIND and belief with same mantra! > > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all > > materials - costlier or cheaper showing > > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications) > > > > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I > > think > > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention. > > > > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if > they > > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY > > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare and > > not into materialism. So its usually > > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a lot > > of mental and physical hurdles to get > > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras > were > > invented by sages and not kings! > > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father asked > > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA, > > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by DEVENDRA > > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always > > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a > > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA > > === message truncated === > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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