2- Sreelatha & Gaurav & All:, > Mark Kincaid, 8/10.....strength of meditation....

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Dear Mark,

 

What a wonderful posting!

 

Your experiences in meditation are very interesting. Mine are a

little different from yours. With my Cancer rising, emotions are

more natural to me than with your cerebral Libra. I tried classical

meditation, by stemming the tide of thoughts ... but the key to

finding success had to come from my innate nature, it had to come

from feelings. I found that devotion lead me to meditation and

concentration, while you found that devotion and concentrationare

byproducts of meditation. Very interesting, and very natural given

our astrological indications. With my Moon just a step ahead of the

Sun just like you, this is an evolving skill.

 

BTW, your jyotish newsletter is excellent, it's pretty much the

first thing I read everday!

-Sreelatha

 

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> Dear Sreelatha & Gaurav & All:

>

> I've been following your conversations regarding meditation. And

having

> meditated myself, for over 33 years, now, I can say, with total

> conviction.....that meditation is one of the best....

> Vedic, or Jyotish, remedies I've ever done!

>

> For example, I was born with the Moon in the 12th house, with

Saturn, too!

> and only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th House, ....Libra

Rising..

>

> Therefore, I was born very shy, and lonely and prone to almost

depression.

>

> When I was in college I found meditation, and immediately I

started to feel

> better.

>

> When I came how from college break, all of my brothers and

sisters....were

> so impressed with the spontaneous changes in me, that they all

learned to

> meditate, that same very next year.

>

> Looking back, now, after all these years....I have to say, the

thing I feel

> has contributed the most to my progress in the unfoldment of

> Consciousness....and the simultaneous improvements in every area

of my

> life....

>

> are most due to just the regular experience of meditating....every

day, and

> every month.

>

> Some meditations are deep, and some less so.

>

> Some are filled with lots of thoughts, some less so.

>

> But, even the very busy meditations, seem to have a very cleansing

and

> positive effect.

>

> I'd like to say, therefore, in all humbleness, that I dont' think

it's in

> the way that we meditate, that meditation is sucessful.

>

> Devotion, and even concentration or resolute attention, are natural

> by-products of regular meditation, and are themselves not the best

way to

> meditate.

>

> take care

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> ps....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish

newsletter

> that you can to. It primarily focuses on the day to day,

> Transits, in the Jyotish system and also includes how the

Transits, relate

> to our Charts, and Dasas.

>

> You can contact me at: m.kincaid@m... to .

>

> Also I've recently started another , called "Nature's

Astrology",

> which looks at both Western & Eastern

>

Astrologys.../.and....

> I also believe in the special importance of Jyotish or Vedic

Remedies!

>

>

>

> "Venkatarama Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry>

>

> Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:31:22 -0000

>

> Re: Remedies for a querist - realise!

>

>

> Dear Gaurav Ji,

>

> I am very impressed by what you said in your posting:

> "The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion

> > and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> > mantras."

> Very true indeed.

>

> -S

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Dear KAD,

> >

> > -Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

(Gems),Mantra

> > (sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do

> not

> > apply all the three, they never work.

> >

> > Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts

> (after

> > considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books?

> or

> > did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru?

> >

> > Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself.

> You

> > have mentioned that

> >

> > "Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a

long

> > time of meditaion or tapas"

> >

> > The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true

devotion

> > and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> > mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras

> > werent there(discovered or invented)?

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "hanya_shingyo"

> > <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> > >

> > > Its really good to know that many came forward to help our

> friend

> > > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types

> with

> > > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the

> > pooja

> > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > > because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

> > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> > >

> > > What all must understand is that these are all the

materialistic

> > part

> > > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO

> what

> > > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

> > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate

> on

> > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > > inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels,

> > which

> > > automatically gets him happiness not

> > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies

> must

> > > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

> > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

> > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING

> > RESULTS?..or

> > > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

> > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

> > > syllable is wrong?..

> > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

> > > mantra?...

> > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC

> rules

> > of

> > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > > whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > > style of recital?

> > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa

of

> > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> > >

> > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to

> > suggest

> > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula

> > discovered

> > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD

> BE...no

> > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > > not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done

> in

> > a

> > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > > formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED

conditions

> > > only, never otherwise.

> > >

> > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I

> say.

> > So

> > > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve

> yourself

> > in

> > > YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

> > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> BRAHMASMI..God

> > is

> > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

> > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I

> SAY...but

> > it

> > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in

> all

> > > vedas, they end like this!

> > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics

> are

> > > always there.

> > >

> > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

> > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never

> work.

> > I

> > > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work

> if

> > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

>

>

>

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