Guest guest Posted August 10, 2004 Report Share Posted August 10, 2004 Hello Mark ji, First of all, it was really nice to know your experiences in meditation. Secondly you have quoted something related to success -the way that we meditate, that meditation is sucessful. Success and defeat are two facets of same coin. Once we try to meditate sometimes you would have realized that our thoughts are filled with worldly matters. And to some extent it is quite genuine as we are attached to the day to day world. It is for that reason only we do think in terms of success or no success. The only point i would like to stress upon is success or no success are end results of materialistic world. We can see it in the bigger perspective also. Think of a situation once you do something without worrying about the outcome. When there is no fear then where does success comes from? You did mentioned in the end that -Devotion, and even concentration or resolute attention, are natural by-products of regular meditation, and are themselves not the best way to meditate. They are all ways to look at a portion of glass building. If you are standing inside the building still the building will remain made of glass and also the same if you are standing outside. The only difference is your position or way you experience it. Gaurav , Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > Dear Sreelatha & Gaurav & All: > > I've been following your conversations regarding meditation. And having > meditated myself, for over 33 years, now, I can say, with total > conviction.....that meditation is one of the best.... > Vedic, or Jyotish, remedies I've ever done! > > For example, I was born with the Moon in the 12th house, with Saturn, too! > and only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th House, ....Libra Rising.. > > Therefore, I was born very shy, and lonely and prone to almost depression. > > When I was in college I found meditation, and immediately I started to feel > better. > > When I came how from college break, all of my brothers and sisters....were > so impressed with the spontaneous changes in me, that they all learned to > meditate, that same very next year. > > Looking back, now, after all these years....I have to say, the thing I feel > has contributed the most to my progress in the unfoldment of > Consciousness....and the simultaneous improvements in every area of my > life.... > > are most due to just the regular experience of meditating....every day, and > every month. > > Some meditations are deep, and some less so. > > Some are filled with lots of thoughts, some less so. > > But, even the very busy meditations, seem to have a very cleansing and > positive effect. > > I'd like to say, therefore, in all humbleness, that I dont' think it's in > the way that we meditate, that meditation is sucessful. > > Devotion, and even concentration or resolute attention, are natural > by-products of regular meditation, and are themselves not the best way to > meditate. > > take care > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > ps....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a Jyotish newsletter > that you can to. It primarily focuses on the day to day, > Transits, in the Jyotish system and also includes how the Transits, relate > to our Charts, and Dasas. > > You can contact me at: m.kincaid@m... to . > > Also I've recently started another , called "Nature's Astrology", > which looks at both Western & Eastern > Astrologys.../.and.... > I also believe in the special importance of Jyotish or Vedic Remedies! > > > > "Venkatarama Sreelatha" <venkatarama_sastry> > > Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:31:22 -0000 > > Re: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > > Dear Gaurav Ji, > > I am very impressed by what you said in your posting: > "The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion > > and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without > > mantras." > Very true indeed. > > -S > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear KAD, > > > > -Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani (Gems),Mantra > > (sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do > not > > apply all the three, they never work. > > > > Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts > (after > > considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books? > or > > did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru? > > > > Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself. > You > > have mentioned that > > > > "Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a long > > time of meditaion or tapas" > > > > The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion > > and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without > > mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras > > werent there(discovered or invented)? > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > , "hanya_shingyo" > > <kadrudra> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise! > > > > > > Its really good to know that many came forward to help our > friend > > > suffering from Moon's affliction. > > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types > with > > > intricacies..out of their experiences. > > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the > > pooja > > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration > > > because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or > > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly! > > > > > > What all must understand is that these are all the materialistic > > part > > > of getting results which MUST be backed by > > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO > what > > > makes something happen or vanish is the > > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when > > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or > > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate > on > > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or > > > inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels, > > which > > > automatically gets him happiness not > > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies > must > > > concentrate on making one REALISE that. > > > > > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do > > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra? > > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them.. > > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING > > RESULTS?..or > > > is it because u did it or read it in some books? > > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU? > > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or > > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?... > > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra > > > syllable is wrong?.. > > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a > > > mantra?... > > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC > rules > > of > > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and > > > whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana > > > style of recital? > > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa of > > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise? > > > > > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to > > suggest > > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him > > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula > > discovered > > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of > > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD > BE...no > > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would > > > not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done > in > > a > > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination > > > formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED conditions > > > only, never otherwise. > > > > > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I > say. > > So > > > better shift your concentration on REALISING > > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve > yourself > > in > > > YOUR purification process with meditating techniques. > > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM > BRAHMASMI..God > > is > > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions. > > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I > SAY...but > > it > > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas.. > > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in > all > > > vedas, they end like this! > > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics > are > > > always there. > > > > > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani > > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). > > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never > work. > > I > > > feel personally, simply spending money on > > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work > if > > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved! > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > > Links > > / > > > > <? subject=Un> > > Terms of Service > <> . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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