Remedies for a querist - realise!

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Dear All,

 

SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

 

Its really good to know that many came forward to help our friend

suffering from Moon's affliction.

Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types with

intricacies..out of their experiences.

But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the pooja

BUT the BELIEF and concentration

because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

 

What all must understand is that these are all the materialistic part

of getting results which MUST be backed by

concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO what

makes something happen or vanish is the

MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate on

himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels, which

automatically gets him happiness not

only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies must

concentrate on making one REALISE that.

 

Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

is it because u did it or read it in some books?

or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

syllable is wrong?..

4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

mantra?...

5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC rules of

swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

style of recital?

6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa of

every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

 

When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to suggest

the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula discovered

or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD BE...no

exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done in a

wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED conditions

only, never otherwise.

 

Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I say. So

better shift your concentration on REALISING

yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM BRAHMASMI..God is

inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I SAY...but it

is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in all

vedas, they end like this!

....If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics are

always there.

 

A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

(Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never work. I

feel personally, simply spending money on

getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work if

the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

 

yours

KAD

[Guest guest]

I second these views .. but correct me if I am wrong

isnt it Oushadi and Homas that constitute vedic

remedies?

 

--- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra wrote:

 

> Dear All,

>

> SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

>

> Its really good to know that many came forward to

> help our friend

> suffering from Moon's affliction.

> Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and

> others..pooja types with

> intricacies..out of their experiences.

> But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not

> mantra nor the pooja

> BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> because most of those who speak of good result after

> a JAPA or

> reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

>

> What all must understand is that these are all the

> materialistic part

> of getting results which MUST be backed by

> concentration, without which they fail to yield any

> result. SO what

> makes something happen or vanish is the

> MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which

> when

> strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one

> concentrate on

> himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> inner purification to attain a higher and better

> KARMIC levels, which

> automatically gets him happiness not

> only mentally but also materially in all fields. All

> remedies must

> concentrate on making one REALISE that.

>

> Otherwise, the querist in view is still more

> confused as to do

> what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to

> them..

> 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR

> ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

> is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like

> som or

> ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable

> or mantra

> syllable is wrong?..

> 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a

> JAPA of a

> mantra?...

> 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is

> in VEDIC rules of

> swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> whether it works only in

> samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> style of recital?

> 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing

> every japa of

> every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

>

> When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are

> welcome to suggest

> the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a

> formula discovered

> or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY

> SHOULD BE...no

> exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> not work and give results and sometimes they may

> worsen if done in a

> wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> formula which gives certain products at certain

> FIXED conditions

> only, never otherwise.

>

> Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I

> mean what I say. So

> better shift your concentration on REALISING

> yourself with charity deeds..and recite

> SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

> YOUR purification process with meditating

> techniques.

> Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> BRAHMASMI..God is

> inside yourself and try to get him out with ur

> actions.

> AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE

> WHAT I SAY...but it

> is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and

> goddess in all

> vedas, they end like this!

> ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy.

> Well, critics are

> always there.

>

> A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main

> parts- Mani

> (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> For any problem if you do not apply all the three,

> they never work. I

> feel personally, simply spending money on

> getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would

> never work if

> the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

SUB:Remedies for a querist

 

In fact, Homa is not a separate act but a part of a Japa suggested.

To make it clear, here is the actual REMEDY according

to Vedic principles:

A remedy consists of 4 major parts- Japa, Homa, Daana, BrahmaBhojana

which are respectively 1000:100:1:10 usually.That is,

the person becomes CAPABLE to sacrifice once saying 'SWAAHAA' into

the sacred fire ONLY AFTER doing the JAPA for ten times.

In addition he must do the DAANA concerned and ANNA-DAANA

to 'CAPABLE' BRAHMINS(not just the men of that caste).

 

Oushadha in case of illness is an ayurvedic herbal medicine, with

medicine being prepared on the particular day, particular time,

and herb being uprooted on certain day etc etc...all guided by

astrology.

In case of no illness, the Oushadha is the 'Prasada' which may be

holy ashes, vermillion, or Gems or RASAYANA(Bio-Chemical food)

or others which may be a obtained directly or indirectly from the

Japa-Homa-Dana-Bhojana procedure, to accomplish the desires.

 

So the whole process of remedy is interconnected with Mani-Mantra-

Oushadha and surely has a vedic backbone and eye of Astrology

BUT the heart shall be always the Vedanta and mind of Karma.It is a

point to be noted that we call Jyotisha as Vedic astrology

not because of remedies involved but because of the KARMA theory they

speak of, which is actually the essence of vedanta.

If we still want to be in materialistic process and never try to

understand the real essence of vedic astrology, I hope there

is no point is speaking of KARMA.

 

LastBit: Lets keep in mind that Buddhism came into existence just by

the frustration of Hindu society with too much of mantra-

tantra-Yagna-Homa without understanding real meaning of it. And

Buddhism was taken worldwide and Hinduism remained just in India.

Though Buddhism was strongly influenced by Hinduism and actually

became a branch of Hinduism, what differed was the simpleness,

which made Hindus accept Buddha who rejected Vedas as 9th Incarnation

of Vishnu-the VedaPurusha !

 

yours

KAD

 

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> I second these views .. but correct me if I am wrong

> isnt it Oushadi and Homas that constitute vedic

> remedies?

>

> --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote:

>

> > Dear All,

> >

> > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> >

> > Its really good to know that many came forward to

> > help our friend

> > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and

> > others..pooja types with

> > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not

> > mantra nor the pooja

> > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > because most of those who speak of good result after

> > a JAPA or

> > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> >

> > What all must understand is that these are all the

> > materialistic part

> > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > concentration, without which they fail to yield any

> > result. SO what

> > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which

> > when

> > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one

> > concentrate on

> > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > inner purification to attain a higher and better

> > KARMIC levels, which

> > automatically gets him happiness not

> > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All

> > remedies must

> > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> >

> > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more

> > confused as to do

> > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to

> > them..

> > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR

> > ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

> > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like

> > som or

> > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable

> > or mantra

> > syllable is wrong?..

> > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a

> > JAPA of a

> > mantra?...

> > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is

> > in VEDIC rules of

> > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > whether it works only in

> > samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > style of recital?

> > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing

> > every japa of

> > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> >

> > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are

> > welcome to suggest

> > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a

> > formula discovered

> > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY

> > SHOULD BE...no

> > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > not work and give results and sometimes they may

> > worsen if done in a

> > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > formula which gives certain products at certain

> > FIXED conditions

> > only, never otherwise.

> >

> > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I

> > mean what I say. So

> > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > yourself with charity deeds..and recite

> > SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

> > YOUR purification process with meditating

> > techniques.

> > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> > BRAHMASMI..God is

> > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur

> > actions.

> > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE

> > WHAT I SAY...but it

> > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and

> > goddess in all

> > vedas, they end like this!

> > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy.

> > Well, critics are

> > always there.

> >

> > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main

> > parts- Mani

> > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > For any problem if you do not apply all the three,

> > they never work. I

> > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would

> > never work if

> > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi KAD,

 

Hindiusm is not a religion. It is a way a life. You can adapt from

simple to rigirous way of leading life. I am not sure whether Lord

Buddha rejected the Vedas, but I agree he preached per his

enligtenment.

 

My puzzle was, In the first avataar of Vishnu, Matsya avatar was to

protect the four Vedas which were taken away a demon ( i do not know

the name) and hid in the bottom of the ocean. Lord Vishnu took the

form of Matsya and retrieved from the bottom of the ocean. How could

the 9th avataar of Lord Vishnu reject the vedas.....

 

Raghu

 

 

, "hanya_shingyo"

<kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> SUB:Remedies for a querist

>

> In fact, Homa is not a separate act but a part of a Japa suggested.

> To make it clear, here is the actual REMEDY according

> to Vedic principles:

> A remedy consists of 4 major parts- Japa, Homa, Daana,

BrahmaBhojana

> which are respectively 1000:100:1:10 usually.That is,

> the person becomes CAPABLE to sacrifice once saying 'SWAAHAA' into

> the sacred fire ONLY AFTER doing the JAPA for ten times.

> In addition he must do the DAANA concerned and ANNA-DAANA

> to 'CAPABLE' BRAHMINS(not just the men of that caste).

>

> Oushadha in case of illness is an ayurvedic herbal medicine, with

> medicine being prepared on the particular day, particular time,

> and herb being uprooted on certain day etc etc...all guided by

> astrology.

> In case of no illness, the Oushadha is the 'Prasada' which may be

> holy ashes, vermillion, or Gems or RASAYANA(Bio-Chemical food)

> or others which may be a obtained directly or indirectly from the

> Japa-Homa-Dana-Bhojana procedure, to accomplish the desires.

>

> So the whole process of remedy is interconnected with Mani-Mantra-

> Oushadha and surely has a vedic backbone and eye of Astrology

> BUT the heart shall be always the Vedanta and mind of Karma.It is

a

> point to be noted that we call Jyotisha as Vedic astrology

> not because of remedies involved but because of the KARMA theory

they

> speak of, which is actually the essence of vedanta.

> If we still want to be in materialistic process and never try to

> understand the real essence of vedic astrology, I hope there

> is no point is speaking of KARMA.

>

> LastBit: Lets keep in mind that Buddhism came into existence just

by

> the frustration of Hindu society with too much of mantra-

> tantra-Yagna-Homa without understanding real meaning of it. And

> Buddhism was taken worldwide and Hinduism remained just in India.

> Though Buddhism was strongly influenced by Hinduism and actually

> became a branch of Hinduism, what differed was the simpleness,

> which made Hindus accept Buddha who rejected Vedas as 9th

Incarnation

> of Vishnu-the VedaPurusha !

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

> , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > I second these views .. but correct me if I am wrong

> > isnt it Oushadi and Homas that constitute vedic

> > remedies?

> >

> > --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> > >

> > > Its really good to know that many came forward to

> > > help our friend

> > > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and

> > > others..pooja types with

> > > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not

> > > mantra nor the pooja

> > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > > because most of those who speak of good result after

> > > a JAPA or

> > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> > >

> > > What all must understand is that these are all the

> > > materialistic part

> > > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any

> > > result. SO what

> > > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which

> > > when

> > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one

> > > concentrate on

> > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > > inner purification to attain a higher and better

> > > KARMIC levels, which

> > > automatically gets him happiness not

> > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All

> > > remedies must

> > > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more

> > > confused as to do

> > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to

> > > them..

> > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR

> > > ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

> > > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like

> > > som or

> > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable

> > > or mantra

> > > syllable is wrong?..

> > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a

> > > JAPA of a

> > > mantra?...

> > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is

> > > in VEDIC rules of

> > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > > whether it works only in

> > > samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > > style of recital?

> > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing

> > > every japa of

> > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> > >

> > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are

> > > welcome to suggest

> > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a

> > > formula discovered

> > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY

> > > SHOULD BE...no

> > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > > not work and give results and sometimes they may

> > > worsen if done in a

> > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > > formula which gives certain products at certain

> > > FIXED conditions

> > > only, never otherwise.

> > >

> > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I

> > > mean what I say. So

> > > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite

> > > SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

> > > YOUR purification process with meditating

> > > techniques.

> > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> > > BRAHMASMI..God is

> > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur

> > > actions.

> > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE

> > > WHAT I SAY...but it

> > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and

> > > goddess in all

> > > vedas, they end like this!

> > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy.

> > > Well, critics are

> > > always there.

> > >

> > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main

> > > parts- Mani

> > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three,

> > > they never work. I

> > > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would

> > > never work if

> > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

SUB: Hinduism and Buddhism - a simple look for all interested

 

Yes, Hinduism is a way of life NOW which is nothing but tolerance and

co-existence with other religions and following SANATANA

DHARMA which is the real religion of Indian sub-continet.But at the

time of Buddha, Hinduism was clearly a religion of complexities,

which made Buddhism denounce Vedas.(You can refer to any source if

you want about this, since this is the truth!)It was also

so frustrated with the existing complex theories(there was no simple

and strong philosophy to explain the BRAHMA SUTRA) that

it also gave up the idea of ATMA and PARAMATMA and adopted

Bodhisatvas instead of gods.It became so popular among the people

that Buddha was called the 9th incarnation of Vishnu.Whether he

upheld Vedas in his first incarnation as a fish and denounced

in the 9th was never cared by the people since Vedas were so mis-

interpreted then that just they wanted the happy life!

 

That made many adopt Budhist philosophy and get converted to

Bhikshus.Even astrology was influenced by it so much that even in

VarahaMihira's Brhajjataka(and other classicals too) you find Sanyasa

yogas including Bhikshus!

In fact the incarnations are believed to be taken by Vishnu to

protect people and make their lives better.In that way, really

Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu, irrespective of Vedas, though

afterwards Vedas took hold with powerful Advaita philosophy

of Adi Shankaracharya and stopped Buddhism entering South-India.

 

Interested persons can also have a look at similarities and

differences of the two:

http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_buddhism.htm

 

LastBit:Matsya Avatara or the Fish incarnation is said to took place

to save a sage who was told to collect all species of life in

a boat which was toed away by a huge fish- the incarnation and

thereby facilitating new creation of Brahma.There is also another

version

which says it took place to get back four vedas held by Madhu-

Kaitabha demon brothers under the ocean.

 

yours

KAD

 

 

 

, "raghuvenkataj"

<raghuvenkataj> wrote:

> Hi KAD,

>

> Hindiusm is not a religion. It is a way a life. You can adapt from

> simple to rigirous way of leading life. I am not sure whether Lord

> Buddha rejected the Vedas, but I agree he preached per his

> enligtenment.

>

> My puzzle was, In the first avataar of Vishnu, Matsya avatar was to

> protect the four Vedas which were taken away a demon ( i do not

know

> the name) and hid in the bottom of the ocean. Lord Vishnu took the

> form of Matsya and retrieved from the bottom of the ocean. How

could

> the 9th avataar of Lord Vishnu reject the vedas.....

>

> Raghu

>

>

> , "hanya_shingyo"

> <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > SUB:Remedies for a querist

> >

> > In fact, Homa is not a separate act but a part of a Japa

suggested.

> > To make it clear, here is the actual REMEDY according

> > to Vedic principles:

> > A remedy consists of 4 major parts- Japa, Homa, Daana,

> BrahmaBhojana

> > which are respectively 1000:100:1:10 usually.That is,

> > the person becomes CAPABLE to sacrifice once saying 'SWAAHAA'

into

> > the sacred fire ONLY AFTER doing the JAPA for ten times.

> > In addition he must do the DAANA concerned and ANNA-DAANA

> > to 'CAPABLE' BRAHMINS(not just the men of that caste).

> >

> > Oushadha in case of illness is an ayurvedic herbal medicine, with

> > medicine being prepared on the particular day, particular time,

> > and herb being uprooted on certain day etc etc...all guided by

> > astrology.

> > In case of no illness, the Oushadha is the 'Prasada' which may be

> > holy ashes, vermillion, or Gems or RASAYANA(Bio-Chemical food)

> > or others which may be a obtained directly or indirectly from the

> > Japa-Homa-Dana-Bhojana procedure, to accomplish the desires.

> >

> > So the whole process of remedy is interconnected with Mani-Mantra-

> > Oushadha and surely has a vedic backbone and eye of Astrology

> > BUT the heart shall be always the Vedanta and mind of Karma.It

is

> a

> > point to be noted that we call Jyotisha as Vedic astrology

> > not because of remedies involved but because of the KARMA theory

> they

> > speak of, which is actually the essence of vedanta.

> > If we still want to be in materialistic process and never try to

> > understand the real essence of vedic astrology, I hope there

> > is no point is speaking of KARMA.

> >

> > LastBit: Lets keep in mind that Buddhism came into existence just

> by

> > the frustration of Hindu society with too much of mantra-

> > tantra-Yagna-Homa without understanding real meaning of it. And

> > Buddhism was taken worldwide and Hinduism remained just in India.

> > Though Buddhism was strongly influenced by Hinduism and actually

> > became a branch of Hinduism, what differed was the simpleness,

> > which made Hindus accept Buddha who rejected Vedas as 9th

> Incarnation

> > of Vishnu-the VedaPurusha !

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

> >

> >

> > , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > I second these views .. but correct me if I am wrong

> > > isnt it Oushadi and Homas that constitute vedic

> > > remedies?

> > >

> > > --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> > > >

> > > > Its really good to know that many came forward to

> > > > help our friend

> > > > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and

> > > > others..pooja types with

> > > > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not

> > > > mantra nor the pooja

> > > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > > > because most of those who speak of good result after

> > > > a JAPA or

> > > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> > > >

> > > > What all must understand is that these are all the

> > > > materialistic part

> > > > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any

> > > > result. SO what

> > > > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which

> > > > when

> > > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one

> > > > concentrate on

> > > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > > > inner purification to attain a higher and better

> > > > KARMIC levels, which

> > > > automatically gets him happiness not

> > > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All

> > > > remedies must

> > > > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> > > >

> > > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more

> > > > confused as to do

> > > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to

> > > > them..

> > > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR

> > > > ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

> > > > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like

> > > > som or

> > > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable

> > > > or mantra

> > > > syllable is wrong?..

> > > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a

> > > > JAPA of a

> > > > mantra?...

> > > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is

> > > > in VEDIC rules of

> > > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > > > whether it works only in

> > > > samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > > > style of recital?

> > > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing

> > > > every japa of

> > > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> > > >

> > > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are

> > > > welcome to suggest

> > > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a

> > > > formula discovered

> > > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY

> > > > SHOULD BE...no

> > > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > > > not work and give results and sometimes they may

> > > > worsen if done in a

> > > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > > > formula which gives certain products at certain

> > > > FIXED conditions

> > > > only, never otherwise.

> > > >

> > > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I

> > > > mean what I say. So

> > > > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite

> > > > SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

> > > > YOUR purification process with meditating

> > > > techniques.

> > > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> > > > BRAHMASMI..God is

> > > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur

> > > > actions.

> > > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE

> > > > WHAT I SAY...but it

> > > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and

> > > > goddess in all

> > > > vedas, they end like this!

> > > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy.

> > > > Well, critics are

> > > > always there.

> > > >

> > > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main

> > > > parts- Mani

> > > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three,

> > > > they never work. I

> > > > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would

> > > > never work if

> > > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> > > >

> > > > yours

> > > > KAD

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi KAD,

 

I agree with you to a certain extent.

 

Regards,

Raghu.

 

 

, "hanya_shingyo"

<kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> SUB: Hinduism and Buddhism - a simple look for all interested

>

> Yes, Hinduism is a way of life NOW which is nothing but tolerance

and

> co-existence with other religions and following SANATANA

> DHARMA which is the real religion of Indian sub-continet.But at the

> time of Buddha, Hinduism was clearly a religion of complexities,

> which made Buddhism denounce Vedas.(You can refer to any source if

> you want about this, since this is the truth!)It was also

> so frustrated with the existing complex theories(there was no

simple

> and strong philosophy to explain the BRAHMA SUTRA) that

> it also gave up the idea of ATMA and PARAMATMA and adopted

> Bodhisatvas instead of gods.It became so popular among the people

> that Buddha was called the 9th incarnation of Vishnu.Whether he

> upheld Vedas in his first incarnation as a fish and denounced

> in the 9th was never cared by the people since Vedas were so mis-

> interpreted then that just they wanted the happy life!

>

> That made many adopt Budhist philosophy and get converted to

> Bhikshus.Even astrology was influenced by it so much that even in

> VarahaMihira's Brhajjataka(and other classicals too) you find

Sanyasa

> yogas including Bhikshus!

> In fact the incarnations are believed to be taken by Vishnu to

> protect people and make their lives better.In that way, really

> Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu, irrespective of Vedas, though

> afterwards Vedas took hold with powerful Advaita philosophy

> of Adi Shankaracharya and stopped Buddhism entering South-India.

>

> Interested persons can also have a look at similarities and

> differences of the two:

> http://hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_buddhism.htm

>

> LastBit:Matsya Avatara or the Fish incarnation is said to took

place

> to save a sage who was told to collect all species of life in

> a boat which was toed away by a huge fish- the incarnation and

> thereby facilitating new creation of Brahma.There is also another

> version

> which says it took place to get back four vedas held by Madhu-

> Kaitabha demon brothers under the ocean.

>

> yours

> KAD

>

>

>

> , "raghuvenkataj"

> <raghuvenkataj> wrote:

> > Hi KAD,

> >

> > Hindiusm is not a religion. It is a way a life. You can adapt

from

> > simple to rigirous way of leading life. I am not sure whether

Lord

> > Buddha rejected the Vedas, but I agree he preached per his

> > enligtenment.

> >

> > My puzzle was, In the first avataar of Vishnu, Matsya avatar was

to

> > protect the four Vedas which were taken away a demon ( i do not

> know

> > the name) and hid in the bottom of the ocean. Lord Vishnu took

the

> > form of Matsya and retrieved from the bottom of the ocean. How

> could

> > the 9th avataar of Lord Vishnu reject the vedas.....

> >

> > Raghu

> >

> >

> > , "hanya_shingyo"

> > <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > SUB:Remedies for a querist

> > >

> > > In fact, Homa is not a separate act but a part of a Japa

> suggested.

> > > To make it clear, here is the actual REMEDY according

> > > to Vedic principles:

> > > A remedy consists of 4 major parts- Japa, Homa, Daana,

> > BrahmaBhojana

> > > which are respectively 1000:100:1:10 usually.That is,

> > > the person becomes CAPABLE to sacrifice once saying 'SWAAHAA'

> into

> > > the sacred fire ONLY AFTER doing the JAPA for ten times.

> > > In addition he must do the DAANA concerned and ANNA-DAANA

> > > to 'CAPABLE' BRAHMINS(not just the men of that caste).

> > >

> > > Oushadha in case of illness is an ayurvedic herbal medicine,

with

> > > medicine being prepared on the particular day, particular time,

> > > and herb being uprooted on certain day etc etc...all guided by

> > > astrology.

> > > In case of no illness, the Oushadha is the 'Prasada' which may

be

> > > holy ashes, vermillion, or Gems or RASAYANA(Bio-Chemical food)

> > > or others which may be a obtained directly or indirectly from

the

> > > Japa-Homa-Dana-Bhojana procedure, to accomplish the desires.

> > >

> > > So the whole process of remedy is interconnected with Mani-

Mantra-

> > > Oushadha and surely has a vedic backbone and eye of Astrology

> > > BUT the heart shall be always the Vedanta and mind of Karma.It

> is

> > a

> > > point to be noted that we call Jyotisha as Vedic astrology

> > > not because of remedies involved but because of the KARMA

theory

> > they

> > > speak of, which is actually the essence of vedanta.

> > > If we still want to be in materialistic process and never try

to

> > > understand the real essence of vedic astrology, I hope there

> > > is no point is speaking of KARMA.

> > >

> > > LastBit: Lets keep in mind that Buddhism came into existence

just

> > by

> > > the frustration of Hindu society with too much of mantra-

> > > tantra-Yagna-Homa without understanding real meaning of it. And

> > > Buddhism was taken worldwide and Hinduism remained just in

India.

> > > Though Buddhism was strongly influenced by Hinduism and

actually

> > > became a branch of Hinduism, what differed was the simpleness,

> > > which made Hindus accept Buddha who rejected Vedas as 9th

> > Incarnation

> > > of Vishnu-the VedaPurusha !

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

> > >

> > >

> > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > I second these views .. but correct me if I am wrong

> > > > isnt it Oushadi and Homas that constitute vedic

> > > > remedies?

> > > >

> > > > --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> > > > >

> > > > > Its really good to know that many came forward to

> > > > > help our friend

> > > > > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > > > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and

> > > > > others..pooja types with

> > > > > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > > > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not

> > > > > mantra nor the pooja

> > > > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > > > > because most of those who speak of good result after

> > > > > a JAPA or

> > > > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> > > > >

> > > > > What all must understand is that these are all the

> > > > > materialistic part

> > > > > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > > > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any

> > > > > result. SO what

> > > > > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > > > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which

> > > > > when

> > > > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > > > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one

> > > > > concentrate on

> > > > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > > > > inner purification to attain a higher and better

> > > > > KARMIC levels, which

> > > > > automatically gets him happiness not

> > > > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All

> > > > > remedies must

> > > > > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> > > > >

> > > > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more

> > > > > confused as to do

> > > > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > > > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to

> > > > > them..

> > > > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR

> > > > > ATTAINING RESULTS?..or

> > > > > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > > > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > > > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like

> > > > > som or

> > > > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > > > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable

> > > > > or mantra

> > > > > syllable is wrong?..

> > > > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a

> > > > > JAPA of a

> > > > > mantra?...

> > > > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is

> > > > > in VEDIC rules of

> > > > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > > > > whether it works only in

> > > > > samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > > > > style of recital?

> > > > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing

> > > > > every japa of

> > > > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> > > > >

> > > > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are

> > > > > welcome to suggest

> > > > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > > > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a

> > > > > formula discovered

> > > > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > > > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY

> > > > > SHOULD BE...no

> > > > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > > > > not work and give results and sometimes they may

> > > > > worsen if done in a

> > > > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > > > > formula which gives certain products at certain

> > > > > FIXED conditions

> > > > > only, never otherwise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I

> > > > > mean what I say. So

> > > > > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > > > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite

> > > > > SHLOKAS...involve yourself in

> > > > > YOUR purification process with meditating

> > > > > techniques.

> > > > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

> > > > > BRAHMASMI..God is

> > > > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur

> > > > > actions.

> > > > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE

> > > > > WHAT I SAY...but it

> > > > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > > > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and

> > > > > goddess in all

> > > > > vedas, they end like this!

> > > > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy.

> > > > > Well, critics are

> > > > > always there.

> > > > >

> > > > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main

> > > > > parts- Mani

> > > > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > > > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three,

> > > > > they never work. I

> > > > > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > > > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would

> > > > > never work if

> > > > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> > > > >

> > > > > yours

> > > > > KAD

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection

around

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dear KAD,

 

-Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani (Gems),Mantra

(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do not

apply all the three, they never work.

 

Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts(after

considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books? or

did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru?

 

Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself. You

have mentioned that

 

"Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a long

time of meditaion or tapas"

 

The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion

and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras

werent there(discovered or invented)?

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

 

 

, "hanya_shingyo"

<kadrudra> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

>

> Its really good to know that many came forward to help our friend

> suffering from Moon's affliction.

> Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types with

> intricacies..out of their experiences.

> But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the

pooja

> BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

> reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

>

> What all must understand is that these are all the materialistic

part

> of getting results which MUST be backed by

> concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO what

> makes something happen or vanish is the

> MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

> strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate on

> himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels,

which

> automatically gets him happiness not

> only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies must

> concentrate on making one REALISE that.

>

> Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

> what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

> 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING

RESULTS?..or

> is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

> ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

> syllable is wrong?..

> 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

> mantra?...

> 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC rules

of

> swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> style of recital?

> 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa of

> every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

>

> When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to

suggest

> the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula

discovered

> or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD BE...no

> exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done in

a

> wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED conditions

> only, never otherwise.

>

> Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I say.

So

> better shift your concentration on REALISING

> yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve yourself

in

> YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

> Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM BRAHMASMI..God

is

> inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

> AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I SAY...but

it

> is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in all

> vedas, they end like this!

> ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics are

> always there.

>

> A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

> (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never work.

I

> feel personally, simply spending money on

> getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work if

> the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

>

> yours

> KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

SUB: REMEDIES and REALIZATION

 

What all I wrote about Mani-Mantra-Oushadha are described in Vedas

and Vedangas(and I believe nobody has meddled with them like BPHS)

and of course taught by qualified Guru-parampara and are also out of

my(and my mentors') experience and studies.

They are many texts- old and new giving remedies WHAT to do; but

they add a tag at the end saying 'ACCORDING TO VEDAS' or

'AS IN VEDAS' or 'AS IN KALPA' because they are the only source

anyone can refer to about HOW to do things.

 

Perhaps our friend missed the message of the letter which tries to

orient a person wrt Meditational techniques which is TAPAS

in a way but not fully qualified with YOGA principles(Rather

Patanjali sutras). Our friend has an interesting question

>> WHAT DID RISHIS DO BEFORE MANTRAS WERE DISCOVERED OR INVENTED?

Answer is simple - A MANTRA need not be present for TAPAS and

if it is present is an aid to concentrate thats all. The TAPAS was at

first done by the creator Brahma himself with OMKARA and no

other mantra and that OM always exists. A-U-M(Creation-Maintenance-

Destruction) is the BEEJA of VEDAS and is called PRANAVA.

One should note that Mantras are usually MATERIALISTIC in nature and

Rishis discovered/ invented them for the benefit of people,

while they AIMED at MOKSHA which is not materialistic but meta-

physical.

 

It may be clearer by knowing defintion of mantra - MANANAAT TRAAYATA

ITI - (It is not MY defintion but well known Upapada Samasa of

Sanskrit grammar)

which crudly means 'THAT WHICH PROTECTS WHEN ENCHANTED'.So my

questions were to make one realise that he/she must be INVOLVED

in the process of gaining good KARMA level and not just chanting

different mantras to aquire what he/she needs materially.

Becasue one automatically gets all needed things once involved in

realising his KARMIK level.SO it is a vendantik process and

all need not or can not follow that because most of us are

materialistic and we need to DO SOMETHING to protect and maintain our

DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and then only think of MOKSHA. THAT something may

be puja/mantra/yantra/tantra..BUT they will be of no use

unless one is INVOLVED in knowing what they mean and affect.It may be

irritating again to listen this but dont you thing it is

meaningless to say A PUJA IS BACK-FIRING?....some persons may get

angry with me..but think cool...does anything offered to god

makes anyone suffer?...if it does..your intentions are faulty..THATS

IT.

 

yours humbly,

KAD

 

 

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Dear KAD,

>

> -Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani (Gems),Mantra

> (sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do not

> apply all the three, they never work.

>

> Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts(after

> considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books?

or

> did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru?

>

> Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself.

You

> have mentioned that

>

> "Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a long

> time of meditaion or tapas"

>

> The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion

> and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras

> werent there(discovered or invented)?

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

>

>

> , "hanya_shingyo"

> <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> >

> > Its really good to know that many came forward to help our friend

> > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types

with

> > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the

> pooja

> > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

> > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> >

> > What all must understand is that these are all the materialistic

> part

> > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO

what

> > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

> > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate on

> > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels,

> which

> > automatically gets him happiness not

> > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies

must

> > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> >

> > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

> > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

> > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING

> RESULTS?..or

> > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

> > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

> > syllable is wrong?..

> > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

> > mantra?...

> > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC rules

> of

> > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > style of recital?

> > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa of

> > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> >

> > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to

> suggest

> > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula

> discovered

> > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD

BE...no

> > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done

in

> a

> > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED conditions

> > only, never otherwise.

> >

> > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I

say.

> So

> > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve

yourself

> in

> > YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

> > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM BRAHMASMI..God

> is

> > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

> > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I SAY...but

> it

> > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in

all

> > vedas, they end like this!

> > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics

are

> > always there.

> >

> > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

> > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never

work.

> I

> > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work

if

> > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear Gaurav Ji,

 

I am very impressed by what you said in your posting:

"The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion

> and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> mantras."

Very true indeed.

 

-S

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Dear KAD,

>

> -Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani (Gems),Mantra

> (sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do

not

> apply all the three, they never work.

>

> Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts

(after

> considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books?

or

> did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru?

>

> Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself.

You

> have mentioned that

>

> "Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a long

> time of meditaion or tapas"

>

> The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true devotion

> and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras

> werent there(discovered or invented)?

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

>

>

> , "hanya_shingyo"

> <kadrudra> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> >

> > Its really good to know that many came forward to help our

friend

> > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types

with

> > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the

> pooja

> > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

> > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> >

> > What all must understand is that these are all the materialistic

> part

> > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO

what

> > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

> > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate

on

> > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels,

> which

> > automatically gets him happiness not

> > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies

must

> > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> >

> > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

> > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

> > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING

> RESULTS?..or

> > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

> > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

> > syllable is wrong?..

> > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

> > mantra?...

> > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC

rules

> of

> > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > style of recital?

> > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa of

> > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> >

> > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to

> suggest

> > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula

> discovered

> > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD

BE...no

> > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done

in

> a

> > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED conditions

> > only, never otherwise.

> >

> > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I

say.

> So

> > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve

yourself

> in

> > YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

> > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

BRAHMASMI..God

> is

> > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

> > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I

SAY...but

> it

> > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in

all

> > vedas, they end like this!

> > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics

are

> > always there.

> >

> > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

> > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never

work.

> I

> > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work

if

> > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> >

> > yours

> > KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear Kad,

 

Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the

statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if you

do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the word 'never'

should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by

you in your experience especially once only one part is done or two

parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that

knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for

remedies). For that simple reason i have asked for your experience

(charts) in this regard when not all three were done. Also it points

out another factor that how many people do the first part Mani(gems)

(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may

not be in the affordable range of some people).

 

As far as missing out message is concerned i did pointed out the

Tapas should be done with all devotion(one of the steps is

meditation) with or without mantras. So i do hope you get the hidden

meaning also once we talk about orientation to meditation.

 

With regards to back firing, although it doesnt belong to the above

context(and neither have i mentioned anywhere about it) but let me

take you slightly back to your old post where you have mentioned

that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I think

you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention.

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> SUB: REMEDIES and REALIZATION

>

> What all I wrote about Mani-Mantra-Oushadha are described in Vedas

> and Vedangas(and I believe nobody has meddled with them like BPHS)

> and of course taught by qualified Guru-parampara and are also out

of

> my(and my mentors') experience and studies.

> They are many texts- old and new giving remedies WHAT to do; but

> they add a tag at the end saying 'ACCORDING TO VEDAS' or

> 'AS IN VEDAS' or 'AS IN KALPA' because they are the only source

> anyone can refer to about HOW to do things.

>

> Perhaps our friend missed the message of the letter which tries to

> orient a person wrt Meditational techniques which is TAPAS

> in a way but not fully qualified with YOGA principles(Rather

> Patanjali sutras). Our friend has an interesting question

> >> WHAT DID RISHIS DO BEFORE MANTRAS WERE DISCOVERED OR INVENTED?

> Answer is simple - A MANTRA need not be present for TAPAS and

> if it is present is an aid to concentrate thats all. The TAPAS was

at

> first done by the creator Brahma himself with OMKARA and no

> other mantra and that OM always exists. A-U-M(Creation-Maintenance-

> Destruction) is the BEEJA of VEDAS and is called PRANAVA.

> One should note that Mantras are usually MATERIALISTIC in nature

and

> Rishis discovered/ invented them for the benefit of people,

> while they AIMED at MOKSHA which is not materialistic but meta-

> physical.

>

> It may be clearer by knowing defintion of mantra - MANANAAT

TRAAYATA

> ITI - (It is not MY defintion but well known Upapada Samasa of

> Sanskrit grammar)

> which crudly means 'THAT WHICH PROTECTS WHEN ENCHANTED'.So my

> questions were to make one realise that he/she must be INVOLVED

> in the process of gaining good KARMA level and not just chanting

> different mantras to aquire what he/she needs materially.

> Becasue one automatically gets all needed things once involved in

> realising his KARMIK level.SO it is a vendantik process and

> all need not or can not follow that because most of us are

> materialistic and we need to DO SOMETHING to protect and maintain

our

> DHARMA-ARTHA-KAMA and then only think of MOKSHA. THAT something may

> be puja/mantra/yantra/tantra..BUT they will be of no use

> unless one is INVOLVED in knowing what they mean and affect.It may

be

> irritating again to listen this but dont you thing it is

> meaningless to say A PUJA IS BACK-FIRING?....some persons may get

> angry with me..but think cool...does anything offered to god

> makes anyone suffer?...if it does..your intentions are

faulty..THATS

> IT.

>

> yours humbly,

> KAD

>

>

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Dear KAD,

> >

> > -Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani (Gems),Mantra

> > (sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine). For any problem if you do

not

> > apply all the three, they never work.

> >

> > Are you sure about it ? or is it because u found it in charts

(after

> > considerable experience of not working) or read it in some books?

> or

> > did you get it by Upadesha from a proper Guru?

> >

> > Perhaps the answer to all your queries lies in your post itself.

> You

> > have mentioned that

> >

> > "Mantra is a formula discovered or invented by Rishis after a

long

> > time of meditaion or tapas"

> >

> > The main strength of any meditation or tapas lies in true

devotion

> > and selfless love to God. Be it whether you do it with or without

> > mantras. Ever wondered how rishis used to do tapas when mantras

> > werent there(discovered or invented)?

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "hanya_shingyo"

> > <kadrudra> wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > SUB: Remedies for a querist - realise!

> > >

> > > Its really good to know that many came forward to help our

friend

> > > suffering from Moon's affliction.

> > > Many gave Mantras...others shlokas....and others..pooja types

> with

> > > intricacies..out of their experiences.

> > > But in MOST of those cases, what worked was not mantra nor the

> > pooja

> > > BUT the BELIEF and concentration

> > > because most of those who speak of good result after a JAPA or

> > > reciting Mantra would have never done it correctly!

> > >

> > > What all must understand is that these are all the

materialistic

> > part

> > > of getting results which MUST be backed by

> > > concentration, without which they fail to yield any result. SO

> what

> > > makes something happen or vanish is the

> > > MANO-BALA or the mental- strength of a native, which when

> > > strengthened can do anything!All JAPA or PUJA or

> > > Mantra/Yantra/Tantra are all just aids to make one concentrate

on

> > > himself inside to get ANTARANGA-SHUDDHI or

> > > inner purification to attain a higher and better KARMIC levels,

> > which

> > > automatically gets him happiness not

> > > only mentally but also materially in all fields. All remedies

> must

> > > concentrate on making one REALISE that.

> > >

> > > Otherwise, the querist in view is still more confused as to do

> > > what?..pooja? abhisheka?...mantra japa?..yantra?

> > > Many suggested Chandra manta....my questions to them..

> > > 1.ARE YOU SURE THAT IS THE CHANDRA MANTRA FOR ATTAINING

> > RESULTS?..or

> > > is it because u did it or read it in some books?

> > > or did you get it by UPADESHA from a proper GURU?

> > > 2.ARE YOU SURE OF WHAT BEEJAKSHARA(seed letter like som or

> > > ksham..etc) MUST BE USED?...

> > > 3.DO you know what happends if seed-letter syllable or mantra

> > > syllable is wrong?..

> > > 4.Are you sure of the procedures to be followed to a JAPA of a

> > > mantra?...

> > > 5.Are you sure of whatever mantra you suggested is in VEDIC

rules

> > of

> > > swaras(Udatta-Anudatta-swarita) and

> > > whether it works only in samhita/pada/krama/jata/ghana

> > > style of recital?

> > > 6.Do you know there is an exact procedure of doing every japa

of

> > > every mantra which never gives any result otherwise?

> > >

> > > When you KNOW AUTHORITATIVELY all these...you are welcome to

> > suggest

> > > the querist...otherwise you are MISLEADING him

> > > which may worsen the situation.Because Mantra is a formula

> > discovered

> > > or invented by RISHIs after a long time of

> > > meditaion or TAPAS and they HAVE TO BE DONE AS THEY SHOULD

> BE...no

> > > exception for that. Otherwise simply, they would

> > > not work and give results and sometimes they may worsen if done

> in

> > a

> > > wrong way. It is same like a chemical combination

> > > formula which gives certain products at certain FIXED

conditions

> > > only, never otherwise.

> > >

> > > Am I scaring you of reciting Mantras now?...Yes I mean what I

> say.

> > So

> > > better shift your concentration on REALISING

> > > yourself with charity deeds..and recite SHLOKAS...involve

> yourself

> > in

> > > YOUR purification process with meditating techniques.

> > > Thats what Adi-Shankaracharya means by saying AHAM

BRAHMASMI..God

> > is

> > > inside yourself and try to get him out with ur actions.

> > > AND I KNOW ALL CAN NOT UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE WHAT I

SAY...but

> > it

> > > is the Vendantik way..the concluding part of vedas..

> > > after giving so many mantras of millions of gods and goddess in

> all

> > > vedas, they end like this!

> > > ...If you can understand what I say, I am happy. Well, critics

> are

> > > always there.

> > >

> > > A last bit: Remedy in jyotisha vedanga is of 3 main parts- Mani

> > > (Gems),Mantra(sacred recitals),Oushadha(Medicine).

> > > For any problem if you do not apply all the three, they never

> work.

> > I

> > > feel personally, simply spending money on

> > > getting a puja/yaga/homa done or getting a GEM would never work

> if

> > > the person's mind is really remote and not involved!

> > >

> > > yours

> > > KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

SUB: Remedies and realisation

 

 

1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the

>>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if

you

>>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the

word 'never'

>>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by

>>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or two

>>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that

>>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for

>>remedies).

 

I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard

natural rules

to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if they

are not followed,

simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and how

this system is

similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER SOME

CONSTRAINTS and

surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or

elements change, they certainly change the product

or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a person

who tries to get the product!

And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote

NEVER they result if anything is changed.

Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth discovered

NEVER changes. I was just

sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody differs, I

dont mind!

 

You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of

Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was

ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great could

not even use a mantra to empower

his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae ceased to

work!

That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting some

result out of Mantra now.....

I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a

pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use it as

PASHUPATA ASTRA!)

But what works now is the realisation of self!

When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that,

automatically all needs are fulfilled!

And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that to

get a RELIEVED feeling.

 

 

2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the

first part Mani(gems)

>>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may

>>not be in the affordable range of some people).

 

A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI without

proper mantra but is a stone!

So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it is

just 'effectless' piece of stone

without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if

Saturn is strong in the horoscope!

On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA is a

MANI protecting the wearer

from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what worked

here? MIND and belief with same mantra!

Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

materials - costlier or cheaper showing

their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications)

 

3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I

think

>>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention.

 

Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if they

are done properly, depending the CAPACITY

of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare and

not into materialism. So its usually

no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a lot

of mental and physical hurdles to get

a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras were

invented by sages and not kings!

A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father asked

for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA,

and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by DEVENDRA

was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always

which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a

Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA

-VINIYOGA etc will not work? Sometimes they fructify only after

knowing other mantras...and that is the beauty

of TANTRA connected with Mantra!

 

Last bit: MANI-MANTRA-OUSHADHA (Vedic texts) finally aim at MANAS-

VAAK-KAAYA(Vedanta) in remedy and I hope

you get now the hidden(?) meaning of why they NEVER work when clung

to only one of them!

 

yours humbly,

KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

-they certainly change the product

 

Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no positive

results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we

get less results then also we are not close to No results as implied

by never.

 

-If anybody differs, I dont mind!

 

Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the assertion

that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen.

 

-Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas!

(Signfications)

 

Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece of

glass and a gem.

 

Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double)

meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some

results but not full.

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> SUB: Remedies and realisation

>

>

> 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the

> >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion that "if

> you

> >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the

> word 'never'

> >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested by

> >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or

two

> >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that

> >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks for

> >>remedies).

>

> I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard

> natural rules

> to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if they

> are not followed,

> simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and

how

> this system is

> similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER

SOME

> CONSTRAINTS and

> surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or

> elements change, they certainly change the product

> or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a person

> who tries to get the product!

> And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote

> NEVER they result if anything is changed.

> Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth discovered

> NEVER changes. I was just

> sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody differs,

I

> dont mind!

>

> You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of

> Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was

> ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great

could

> not even use a mantra to empower

> his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae ceased

to

> work!

> That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting

some

> result out of Mantra now.....

> I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a

> pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use it

as

> PASHUPATA ASTRA!)

> But what works now is the realisation of self!

> When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that,

> automatically all needs are fulfilled!

> And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that

to

> get a RELIEVED feeling.

>

>

> 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the

> first part Mani(gems)

> >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they may

> >>not be in the affordable range of some people).

>

> A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI

without

> proper mantra but is a stone!

> So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it is

> just 'effectless' piece of stone

> without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if

> Saturn is strong in the horoscope!

> On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA is

a

> MANI protecting the wearer

> from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what worked

> here? MIND and belief with same mantra!

> Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

> materials - costlier or cheaper showing

> their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications)

>

> 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way". I

> think

> >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the intention.

>

> Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if

they

> are done properly, depending the CAPACITY

> of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare and

> not into materialism. So its usually

> no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a lot

> of mental and physical hurdles to get

> a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras

were

> invented by sages and not kings!

> A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father asked

> for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA,

> and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by DEVENDRA

> was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always

> which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a

> Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA

> -VINIYOGA etc will not work? Sometimes they fructify only after

> knowing other mantras...and that is the beauty

> of TANTRA connected with Mantra!

>

> Last bit: MANI-MANTRA-OUSHADHA (Vedic texts) finally aim at MANAS-

> VAAK-KAAYA(Vedanta) in remedy and I hope

> you get now the hidden(?) meaning of why they NEVER work when clung

> to only one of them!

>

> yours humbly,

> KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Change in the result need not mean change in QUANTITY! others may

differ in view :-)

Perhaps even the example of Vritraasura I gave does not speak of

quantity;It is entirely

a different PRODUCT or result!

 

Though I did not mention of QUANTITY(whether less or more) of results,

if one has realised 'NEVER' to be 'not full', perhaps it can be

directly used

according to anybody's perception. I leave it to readers!

 

We all differ in opinion but I feel- simply beating around the bush

without

trying to understand what the message is aimed at - is of use to none.

Let us aim at utilising this stage for healthy and useful arguments!

 

yours humbly,

KAD

 

 

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> -they certainly change the product

>

> Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no

positive

> results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if we

> get less results then also we are not close to No results as

implied

> by never.

>

> -If anybody differs, I dont mind!

>

> Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the

assertion

> that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen.

>

> -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

> materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas!

> (Signfications)

>

> Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a piece

of

> glass and a gem.

>

> Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double)

> meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some

> results but not full.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> , "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > SUB: Remedies and realisation

> >

> >

> > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of the

> > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion

that "if

> > you

> > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the

> > word 'never'

> > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been tested

by

> > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done or

> two

> > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that

> > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who asks

for

> > >>remedies).

> >

> > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some standard

> > natural rules

> > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if

they

> > are not followed,

> > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why and

> how

> > this system is

> > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER

> SOME

> > CONSTRAINTS and

> > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or

> > elements change, they certainly change the product

> > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a

person

> > who tries to get the product!

> > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I wrote

> > NEVER they result if anything is changed.

> > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth

discovered

> > NEVER changes. I was just

> > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody

differs,

> I

> > dont mind!

> >

> > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of

> > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was

> > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great

> could

> > not even use a mantra to empower

> > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae

ceased

> to

> > work!

> > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting

> some

> > result out of Mantra now.....

> > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know a

> > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use

it

> as

> > PASHUPATA ASTRA!)

> > But what works now is the realisation of self!

> > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that,

> > automatically all needs are fulfilled!

> > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing that

> to

> > get a RELIEVED feeling.

> >

> >

> > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do the

> > first part Mani(gems)

> > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that they

may

> > >>not be in the affordable range of some people).

> >

> > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI

> without

> > proper mantra but is a stone!

> > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it

is

> > just 'effectless' piece of stone

> > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA if

> > Saturn is strong in the horoscope!

> > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper MANTRA

is

> a

> > MANI protecting the wearer

> > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what

worked

> > here? MIND and belief with same mantra!

> > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

> > materials - costlier or cheaper showing

> > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications)

> >

> > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong way".

I

> > think

> > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the

intention.

> >

> > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work if

> they

> > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY

> > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare

and

> > not into materialism. So its usually

> > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a

lot

> > of mental and physical hurdles to get

> > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why Mantras

> were

> > invented by sages and not kings!

> > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father

asked

> > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA,

> > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by

DEVENDRA

> > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always

> > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a

> > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA

> > -VINIYOGA etc will not work? Sometimes they fructify only after

> > knowing other mantras...and that is the beauty

> > of TANTRA connected with Mantra!

> >

> > Last bit: MANI-MANTRA-OUSHADHA (Vedic texts) finally aim at MANAS-

> > VAAK-KAAYA(Vedanta) in remedy and I hope

> > you get now the hidden(?) meaning of why they NEVER work when

clung

> > to only one of them!

> >

> > yours humbly,

> > KAD

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

Perhaps experience(of today`s world) speaks more than anything else.

The readers can experience your statements rather than blindly

following one`s perception.

 

Perception can also differ, as understanding the message (main aim)

may seem as understood but to others it may seem the opposite:-)

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

 

, "kadrudra" <kadrudra>

wrote:

> Dear All,

>

> Change in the result need not mean change in QUANTITY! others may

> differ in view :-)

> Perhaps even the example of Vritraasura I gave does not speak of

> quantity;It is entirely

> a different PRODUCT or result!

>

> Though I did not mention of QUANTITY(whether less or more) of

results,

> if one has realised 'NEVER' to be 'not full', perhaps it can be

> directly used

> according to anybody's perception. I leave it to readers!

>

> We all differ in opinion but I feel- simply beating around the bush

> without

> trying to understand what the message is aimed at - is of use to

none.

> Let us aim at utilising this stage for healthy and useful arguments!

>

> yours humbly,

> KAD

>

>

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > -they certainly change the product

> >

> > Perhaps you finally realized that word never doesnt mean no

> positive

> > results. It can also mean results not upto expectation. Even if

we

> > get less results then also we are not close to No results as

> implied

> > by never.

> >

> > -If anybody differs, I dont mind!

> >

> > Thank you. Only it is not a question of difference but the

> assertion

> > that it is the only way or else no positive results will happen.

> >

> > -Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in all

> > materials - costlier or cheaper showing their tinge of Karakatwas!

> > (Signfications)

> >

> > Indeed planets dont demand, it is only how others perceive a

piece

> of

> > glass and a gem.

> >

> > Last bit: Perhaps from next time we can use the hidden(double)

> > meaning of why the word never should also be interpreted for some

> > results but not full.

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> > , "kadrudra"

<kadrudra>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > SUB: Remedies and realisation

> > >

> > >

> > > 1.>>Perhaps the main question was not regarding the origin of

the

> > > >>statement pointed by you but was regarding the assertion

> that "if

> > > you

> > > >>do not apply all the three, they never work". I hope the

> > > word 'never'

> > > >>should have been used more carefully and would have been

tested

> by

> > > >>you in your experience especially once only one part is done

or

> > two

> > > >>parts are done(but i wonder whether you would have tested that

> > > >>knowing that you will recommend all of them to anyone who

asks

> for

> > > >>remedies).

> > >

> > > I welcome the curious comments above. But there are some

standard

> > > natural rules

> > > to do anything as described in vedas and related texts and if

> they

> > > are not followed,

> > > simply- results would not be reached! I already explained why

and

> > how

> > > this system is

> > > similar to a chemical synthesis! If A + B => C then it is UNDER

> > SOME

> > > CONSTRAINTS and

> > > surely in an ambience and optimum environment! If conditions or

> > > elements change, they certainly change the product

> > > or may not produce at all, IRRESPECTIVE of the experience a

> person

> > > who tries to get the product!

> > > And perhaps it may be easier to understand now as to why I

wrote

> > > NEVER they result if anything is changed.

> > > Whether it is my experience or others' experience, truth

> discovered

> > > NEVER changes. I was just

> > > sharing a piece of truth I knew or understood. If anybody

> differs,

> > I

> > > dont mind!

> > >

> > > You all know well even Pandavas could not maintain the power of

> > > Mantras when Dwapara Yuga was

> > > ending (Mahabharata - Swargarohana Parva) and Arjuna the great

> > could

> > > not even use a mantra to empower

> > > his arrows at last! WHY?...change in the ambience! Formulae

> ceased

> > to

> > > work!

> > > That was the end of Mantra-Yuga and if anyone boasts of getting

> > some

> > > result out of Mantra now.....

> > > I dont know what to say..I simply smile at him/her!(For I know

a

> > > pesron boasting of knowing PAASHUPATHA MANTRA and trying to use

> it

> > as

> > > PASHUPATA ASTRA!)

> > > But what works now is the realisation of self!

> > > When our TRI-KARANA (Mind-speech-Body) are involved in that,

> > > automatically all needs are fulfilled!

> > > And a remedy of Puja/ abhisheka/ daana/ is a SYMBOL of doing

that

> > to

> > > get a RELIEVED feeling.

> > >

> > >

> > > 2.>>Also it points out another factor that how many people do

the

> > > first part Mani(gems)

> > > >>(not that they cant do it but out of the simple fact that

they

> may

> > > >>not be in the affordable range of some people).

> > >

> > > A good question but simple is the answer - a GEM is not MANI

> > without

> > > proper mantra but is a stone!

> > > So even if it is the costliest MAHENDRA-NEELA(Blue Sapphire) it

> is

> > > just 'effectless' piece of stone

> > > without a proper Mantra; And becomes a jewel and not OUSHADHA

if

> > > Saturn is strong in the horoscope!

> > > On the other hand, a blue piece of glass used with proper

MANTRA

> is

> > a

> > > MANI protecting the wearer

> > > from adverses thus being his OUSHADHA for weak saturn! what

> worked

> > > here? MIND and belief with same mantra!

> > > Planets never 'demand' costly materials and so they exist in

all

> > > materials - costlier or cheaper showing

> > > their tinge of Karakatwas!(Signfications)

> > >

> > > 3.>>that "and sometimes they may worsen if done in a wrong

way".

> I

> > > think

> > > >>you are referring to a manner a mantra is done not the

> intention.

> > >

> > > Of course they do if they are done improperly since they work

if

> > they

> > > are done properly, depending the CAPACITY

> > > of the doer and as i said earlier too CAPABLE persons are rare

> and

> > > not into materialism. So its usually

> > > no gain-no loss for a lay man. One becomes capable overcoming a

> lot

> > > of mental and physical hurdles to get

> > > a mantra siddhi and not by easy chair methods. Thats why

Mantras

> > were

> > > invented by sages and not kings!

> > > A famous example is of BIRTH OF VRITRAASURA where his father

> asked

> > > for a son who kills DEVENDRA during a great YAAGA,

> > > and by mistake in mantras, the son who would be killed by

> DEVENDRA

> > > was born! Mantra has an INTENTION part always

> > > which is known as VINIYOGA/SANKALPA. How many of us know that a

> > > Mantra without RISHI-DEVATA-CHANDHAS-NYASA-KEELAKA-KAVACHA

> > > -VINIYOGA etc will not work? Sometimes they fructify only after

> > > knowing other mantras...and that is the beauty

> > > of TANTRA connected with Mantra!

> > >

> > > Last bit: MANI-MANTRA-OUSHADHA (Vedic texts) finally aim at

MANAS-

> > > VAAK-KAAYA(Vedanta) in remedy and I hope

> > > you get now the hidden(?) meaning of why they NEVER work when

> clung

> > > to only one of them!

> > >

> > > yours humbly,

> > > KAD