Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, I sincerly agree that it is really difficult to find an individual with such qualities. Although i believe in one principle that every moment is a new learning experience for all of us. Perhaps even if we are not able to achieve such a perfection but we can take small step towards that direction. Perhaps here the question of Spiritually ill-prepared persons and the rare lot are to understood from the meaning of purity in thought, word, and deed. It is not necassary for a person to render his help to the society he has to be an astrologer. A person who possesses such qualities in his daily routine also(even if he is not spirtually inclined) is equally good as a person who is spirtually inclined. The way we look at qualities not necassarily will make an astrologer but yes indeed a person who knows what he doing and how he is doing. Self consicence is goal to self realization. The goal may seem difficult (as we havent seen hardly people around with such qualities) but not impossible. No talk is unreal, vacuuous spiritually big till the time we maintain the sincerity in it irrespective of fact that we are talking about perfection(keeping in mind an old saying that Nobody is Perfect) even if we arent capable of attaining the perfection but a positive thought will surely make a difference(atleast to us). Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > The UGLY fact remains that any of these highly pure astrologers > described in texts just do not seem to exist in the modern world. > And if they are so rare as to be nearly non-existent, of what good > are they for the daily needs of the millions of suffering nativities > all over the globe? AND OF WHAT USE IS THEIR PRISTINE AND NASCENT > ASTROLOGY? > > It is about time that dreamers and fantasizers stopped chasing such > unicorns and phoenixes and wake up to the very dire reality that > surrounds us all over the world -- in the middle east, in poor > developing nations, further strained by natural disasters and so on. > > I would much rather have hundreds of spiritually ill-prepared field > workers in astrology who can bring first aid to the suffering > humanity than big, unreal, vacuuous spiritual big-talk that no one I > know of has attained or seems to be capable of. > > RR > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rao ji, > > > > Quite interesting features highlighted in order to become an > > astrologer. You have mentioned about VaakShuddhi in your post, > just > > want to add a few more to it. I think VaakShuddhi should also be > > coupled with Thrikarana Shuddhi which signify purity in thought, > > word, and deed. > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "N. Vishweshwar Rao" > > <srigayatrivedavision> wrote: > > > Mr. Tanvir, > > > > > > Namaskar, Jyotisha is not only the scienc of tendencies but it > is > > > closely related to Karma Sidhanta. The fruits we enjoy are the > > > results of previews Karma. It can not be avoided by anybody. An > > > Astrologer will get an intuition to give a prediction. The > > > intruition is based on the signals received by the Almighty God. > > > According to the same he will release the prediction. That is > the > > > reason why an Astrologer need be a Upasaka. With the Upasana he > > will > > > get Vaakshuddhi. VaakShuddhi is very much necessary to an > > > Astrologer. Without an Upasana He can not be an Astrologer. As > said > > > the accuracy of the Predictions given by an astrologer is only > upto > > > 75% only. Claiming that one will predict to the extent of 100% > is > > > truly a false. An Astrologer has to maintain the sanctity of the > > > profession. With being sanctum sanctorum he can not be a > > Astrologer. > > > An Astrologer has to pray the God for the well being of his > > > client. "Chatus Sagara Paryantam Go Brahmana Subham Bhavatu". I > can > > > say You have to pray the God for the Loka Kalyana. Well being of > > the > > > universe. Therefore an Astrologer should have two essential > > > qualifications: 1. Should be thorough with the Subject and must > > have > > > studied the Vedaangas, 2. Should be an Upasaka. Without having > > these > > > two qualifications, he can not be an astrologer. Claiming > himself > > > being astrologer without these two qualifications, resulting > into > > > putting himself in the wrong path and cheating the people. > > > > > > > > > Brahmasri N. Vishweshwar Rao Daivajna, Consultant Astrologer & > > > Sidhanti. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > Hello Tanvir: > > > > > > > > What SP Tata did is outright crooked and unbecoming of a > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > A real jyotish is the one who above petty jealousy. > > > > > > > > A real Jyotish is the one who lights a Jyoti into the hearts > and > > > > thought-process of the people who consul him/her. > > > > > > > > Sudeep Suri has clarified on the V-A board and to me > personally > > > that > > > > his intent was to figure-out why Sanjay's prediction didn't > come > > > true > > > > and not to malign Sanjay in anyway. > > > > > > > > This fellow named SP Tata used Sudeep's mail to launch an > > internet- > > > > wide agenda to malign Sanjay--what a shame. > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that the > private > > > paid > > > > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is good to see > > > that > > > > one > > > > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get the > fairness > > > he > > > > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess since > > > astrologers > > > > > from different schools envy each other. So your fairness and > > > just > > > > is > > > > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do not > > > appreciate > > > > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and it is > > enough > > > > when > > > > > you protest it right there. However, you have made replies > to > > > the > > > > > post to other lists, where even the original post did not > > > appear, > > > > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point of > replying > > > to > > > > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list would > know > > > > this, > > > > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other lists, > > where > > > > even > > > > > the original posts did not appear, you actually helped the > > > person > > > > to > > > > > announce it even better. > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here because even > the > > > > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to > announce > > > the > > > > > complaint even better. > > > > > > > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases out of all > > > > sudden, > > > > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it is you > who > > is > > > > > mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of it than > > > > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not repeat such > > > > > performances in this list again. No need to reply posts > those > > > were > > > > > posted in another list. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pandit S.P.Tata" > > > > > <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed mail by > you > > > to > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in your > case) > > in > > > > very > > > > > > bad taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have never > met > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his follower - > > > especially > > > > > in > > > > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid police arrest > in > > > his > > > > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his prediction > > > failure > > > > in > > > > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and don't talk > > > about > > > > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath discusses > > your > > > > > private > > > > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly we > > > astrologers > > > > > also > > > > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we give > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our ancient seers > are > > > r > > > > > 100% > > > > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its > > > limitations. > > > > We > > > > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our ancients. As > there > > > are > > > > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible to be > 100% > > > > right > > > > > for > > > > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic astrology for > > > more > > > > > than > > > > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen astrology > > > sashtras, > > > > I > > > > > > run my own astrology website - www.astrojyoti.com - I am > > > > fortunate > > > > > to > > > > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer K.N.Rao > to > > > guide > > > > > me > > > > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that am only > > about > > > > 75% > > > > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do go > wrong. > > > The > > > > > day > > > > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi Bhrigu and > > > Rishi > > > > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and after > > > spending > > > > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its satellites. The > > > doctors > > > > > make > > > > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog scans, the > > > bridges > > > > > built > > > > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and financial > advisers > > > to > > > > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. But > their > > > > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. But the > > > moment > > > > > an > > > > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in > sarcastic > > > > > > mudslinging in public. > > > > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical bureaucrats > > were > > > > > openly > > > > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on to it and > > > > started > > > > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate medicine > dept. > > > and > > > > > sing > > > > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I suppose > > our > > > > > press > > > > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only when > Harvard > > > > > University > > > > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct predictions also > > from > > > > some > > > > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public like > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain from this > > > kind > > > > of > > > > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > sudeep suri > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on 29 JAN > > 2004 > > > > VIA > > > > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an audio > casette > > > of > > > > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your > predictions > > > are > > > > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that in MAY > 2004 > > > in > > > > > KETU > > > > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that in JULY > > > 2004 I > > > > > will > > > > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and I never > got > > > > > anything > > > > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you took > lot > > of > > > > > pains > > > > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So DOES > THIS > > > MEAN > > > > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND ANALYSIS IS > > > > INCORRECT > > > > > I > > > > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > > > > REGARDS > > > > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 I hve nothing against being spiritually-advanced or always trying to improve one's spiritual status, regardless of what one does, be one an astrologer, doctor, engineer, teacher or butcher! When statements such as "astrologers need to be spiritually-advanced in order to be good astrologers" are stated in public forums, the questions arise? a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's astrology improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible for the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual now also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, application) and spriritual advancement. I realize that all this can start a barrage of analogies which can muddy the topic, and probably will, but astrology as it is discussed here and can be discussed here is technical. Let us not confuse that with divination which is an altogether different beast -- or rather a bird as I have indicated in an article! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Rohini ji, > > I sincerly agree that it is really difficult to find an individual > with such qualities. Although i believe in one principle that every > moment is a new learning experience for all of us. Perhaps even if we > are not able to achieve such a perfection but we can take small step > towards that direction. > > Perhaps here the question of Spiritually ill-prepared persons and the > rare lot are to understood from the meaning of purity in thought, > word, and deed. It is not necassary for a person to render his help > to the society he has to be an astrologer. A person who possesses > such qualities in his daily routine also(even if he is not spirtually > inclined) is equally good as a person who is spirtually inclined. The > way we look at qualities not necassarily will make an astrologer but > yes indeed a person who knows what he doing and how he is doing. Self > consicence is goal to self realization. The goal may seem difficult > (as we havent seen hardly people around with such qualities) but not > impossible. No talk is unreal, vacuuous spiritually big till the time > we maintain the sincerity in it irrespective of fact that we are > talking about perfection(keeping in mind an old saying that Nobody is > Perfect) even if we arent capable of attaining the perfection but a > positive thought will surely make a difference(atleast to us). > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > The UGLY fact remains that any of these highly pure astrologers > > described in texts just do not seem to exist in the modern world. > > And if they are so rare as to be nearly non-existent, of what good > > are they for the daily needs of the millions of suffering > nativities > > all over the globe? AND OF WHAT USE IS THEIR PRISTINE AND NASCENT > > ASTROLOGY? > > > > It is about time that dreamers and fantasizers stopped chasing such > > unicorns and phoenixes and wake up to the very dire reality that > > surrounds us all over the world -- in the middle east, in poor > > developing nations, further strained by natural disasters and so on. > > > > I would much rather have hundreds of spiritually ill-prepared field > > workers in astrology who can bring first aid to the suffering > > humanity than big, unreal, vacuuous spiritual big-talk that no one > I > > know of has attained or seems to be capable of. > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Rao ji, > > > > > > Quite interesting features highlighted in order to become an > > > astrologer. You have mentioned about VaakShuddhi in your post, > > just > > > want to add a few more to it. I think VaakShuddhi should also be > > > coupled with Thrikarana Shuddhi which signify purity in thought, > > > word, and deed. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > , "N. Vishweshwar Rao" > > > <srigayatrivedavision> wrote: > > > > Mr. Tanvir, > > > > > > > > Namaskar, Jyotisha is not only the scienc of tendencies but it > > is > > > > closely related to Karma Sidhanta. The fruits we enjoy are the > > > > results of previews Karma. It can not be avoided by anybody. An > > > > Astrologer will get an intuition to give a prediction. The > > > > intruition is based on the signals received by the Almighty > God. > > > > According to the same he will release the prediction. That is > > the > > > > reason why an Astrologer need be a Upasaka. With the Upasana he > > > will > > > > get Vaakshuddhi. VaakShuddhi is very much necessary to an > > > > Astrologer. Without an Upasana He can not be an Astrologer. As > > said > > > > the accuracy of the Predictions given by an astrologer is only > > upto > > > > 75% only. Claiming that one will predict to the extent of 100% > > is > > > > truly a false. An Astrologer has to maintain the sanctity of > the > > > > profession. With being sanctum sanctorum he can not be a > > > Astrologer. > > > > An Astrologer has to pray the God for the well being of his > > > > client. "Chatus Sagara Paryantam Go Brahmana Subham Bhavatu". I > > can > > > > say You have to pray the God for the Loka Kalyana. Well being > of > > > the > > > > universe. Therefore an Astrologer should have two essential > > > > qualifications: 1. Should be thorough with the Subject and must > > > have > > > > studied the Vedaangas, 2. Should be an Upasaka. Without having > > > these > > > > two qualifications, he can not be an astrologer. Claiming > > himself > > > > being astrologer without these two qualifications, resulting > > into > > > > putting himself in the wrong path and cheating the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmasri N. Vishweshwar Rao Daivajna, Consultant Astrologer & > > > > Sidhanti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > Hello Tanvir: > > > > > > > > > > What SP Tata did is outright crooked and unbecoming of a > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > A real jyotish is the one who above petty jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > A real Jyotish is the one who lights a Jyoti into the hearts > > and > > > > > thought-process of the people who consul him/her. > > > > > > > > > > Sudeep Suri has clarified on the V-A board and to me > > personally > > > > that > > > > > his intent was to figure-out why Sanjay's prediction didn't > > come > > > > true > > > > > and not to malign Sanjay in anyway. > > > > > > > > > > This fellow named SP Tata used Sudeep's mail to launch an > > > internet- > > > > > wide agenda to malign Sanjay--what a shame. > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that the > > private > > > > paid > > > > > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is good to > see > > > > that > > > > > one > > > > > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get the > > fairness > > > > he > > > > > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess since > > > > astrologers > > > > > > from different schools envy each other. So your fairness > and > > > > just > > > > > is > > > > > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do not > > > > appreciate > > > > > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and it is > > > enough > > > > > when > > > > > > you protest it right there. However, you have made replies > > to > > > > the > > > > > > post to other lists, where even the original post did not > > > > appear, > > > > > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point of > > replying > > > > to > > > > > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list would > > know > > > > > this, > > > > > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other lists, > > > where > > > > > even > > > > > > the original posts did not appear, you actually helped the > > > > person > > > > > to > > > > > > announce it even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here because even > > the > > > > > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to > > announce > > > > the > > > > > > complaint even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases out of > all > > > > > sudden, > > > > > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it is you > > who > > > is > > > > > > mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of it than > > > > > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not repeat such > > > > > > performances in this list again. No need to reply posts > > those > > > > were > > > > > > posted in another list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pandit S.P.Tata" > > > > > > <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed mail by > > you > > > > to > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in your > > case) > > > in > > > > > very > > > > > > > bad taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have never > > met > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his follower - > > > > especially > > > > > > in > > > > > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid police > arrest > > in > > > > his > > > > > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his prediction > > > > failure > > > > > in > > > > > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and don't > talk > > > > about > > > > > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath discusses > > > your > > > > > > private > > > > > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly we > > > > astrologers > > > > > > also > > > > > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we give > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our ancient seers > > are > > > > r > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its > > > > limitations. > > > > > We > > > > > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our ancients. As > > there > > > > are > > > > > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible to be > > 100% > > > > > right > > > > > > for > > > > > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic astrology > for > > > > more > > > > > > than > > > > > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen astrology > > > > sashtras, > > > > > I > > > > > > > run my own astrology website - www.astrojyoti.com - I am > > > > > fortunate > > > > > > to > > > > > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer K.N.Rao > > to > > > > guide > > > > > > me > > > > > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that am only > > > about > > > > > 75% > > > > > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do go > > wrong. > > > > The > > > > > > day > > > > > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi Bhrigu > and > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and after > > > > spending > > > > > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its satellites. The > > > > doctors > > > > > > make > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog scans, the > > > > bridges > > > > > > built > > > > > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and financial > > advisers > > > > to > > > > > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. But > > their > > > > > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. But > the > > > > moment > > > > > > an > > > > > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in > > sarcastic > > > > > > > mudslinging in public. > > > > > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical bureaucrats > > > were > > > > > > openly > > > > > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on to it > and > > > > > started > > > > > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate medicine > > dept. > > > > and > > > > > > sing > > > > > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I > suppose > > > our > > > > > > press > > > > > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only when > > Harvard > > > > > > University > > > > > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct predictions also > > > from > > > > > some > > > > > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public like > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain from > this > > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > sudeep suri > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > > > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on 29 JAN > > > 2004 > > > > > VIA > > > > > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an audio > > casette > > > > of > > > > > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your > > predictions > > > > are > > > > > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that in MAY > > 2004 > > > > in > > > > > > KETU > > > > > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that in > JULY > > > > 2004 I > > > > > > will > > > > > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and I never > > got > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you took > > lot > > > of > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So DOES > > THIS > > > > MEAN > > > > > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND ANALYSIS IS > > > > > INCORRECT > > > > > > I > > > > > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > > > > > REGARDS > > > > > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, First of all, let me clarify a small thing you have mentioned the word spiritually-advanced whereas what i meant was spiritually- inclined thinking. I also gave a reference to people who are not astrologers and still they are helping the society. They may not seem as spiritually-advanced but yes their actions may seem due to their selfless service. Secondly coming to your questions a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's astrology improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? - The reference to astrology with spiritually advanced should be taken in context of purity in thought,word, and deed. Now let me be clear that a person may not be going to temples or doing regular prayers but still the qualities discussed above can exist. A good example would be Swami Vivekanand. b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible for the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual now also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, application) and spriritual advancement. - The goal of improvement lies within us. It is upto us whether we see the improved person as two separate individuals or a single one. The perceptions may differ from person to person. But a person can be using astrology principles for prediction possibly and at the same time be also utilizing higher forms of knowledge. Although it is hard to think of such a person. There are some types of Astrology prevelent in Kerala where the prasna is made but before that the person(or a group of people) offer their prayers to God. And then the prediction is made. Even without knowing the problem the group comes to a the original question(after a series of analysis) and then offers a solution. Although rare in its existence the followers do exist. The main purpose is to seek the blessings of God in doing such predictions. We do believe things that we have havent seen doesn`t exist and it is pretty natural to do so. But in no way anyone should be considered to be more advanced( spiritually) than a second person as each individual has its own form of purity in thought,word and deed. And upto the time we maintain it in ourselves we are all equal in pursuit of common goal. I hope that the above is of help to some extent. Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I hve nothing against being spiritually-advanced or always trying to > improve one's spiritual status, regardless of what one does, be one > an astrologer, doctor, engineer, teacher or butcher! > > When statements such as "astrologers need to be spiritually- advanced > in order to be good astrologers" are stated in public forums, the > questions arise? > > a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's astrology > improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good > thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? > > b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one > like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible for > the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual now > also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, > whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with > astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not > questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but > the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, > application) and spriritual advancement. > > I realize that all this can start a barrage of analogies which can > muddy the topic, and probably will, but astrology as it is discussed > here and can be discussed here is technical. Let us not confuse that > with divination which is an altogether different beast -- or rather > a bird as I have indicated in an article! > > RR > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > I sincerly agree that it is really difficult to find an individual > > with such qualities. Although i believe in one principle that > every > > moment is a new learning experience for all of us. Perhaps even if > we > > are not able to achieve such a perfection but we can take small > step > > towards that direction. > > > > Perhaps here the question of Spiritually ill-prepared persons and > the > > rare lot are to understood from the meaning of purity in thought, > > word, and deed. It is not necassary for a person to render his > help > > to the society he has to be an astrologer. A person who possesses > > such qualities in his daily routine also(even if he is not > spirtually > > inclined) is equally good as a person who is spirtually inclined. > The > > way we look at qualities not necassarily will make an astrologer > but > > yes indeed a person who knows what he doing and how he is doing. > Self > > consicence is goal to self realization. The goal may seem difficult > > (as we havent seen hardly people around with such qualities) but > not > > impossible. No talk is unreal, vacuuous spiritually big till the > time > > we maintain the sincerity in it irrespective of fact that we are > > talking about perfection(keeping in mind an old saying that Nobody > is > > Perfect) even if we arent capable of attaining the perfection but > a > > positive thought will surely make a difference(atleast to us). > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > The UGLY fact remains that any of these highly pure astrologers > > > described in texts just do not seem to exist in the modern > world. > > > And if they are so rare as to be nearly non-existent, of what > good > > > are they for the daily needs of the millions of suffering > > nativities > > > all over the globe? AND OF WHAT USE IS THEIR PRISTINE AND > NASCENT > > > ASTROLOGY? > > > > > > It is about time that dreamers and fantasizers stopped chasing > such > > > unicorns and phoenixes and wake up to the very dire reality that > > > surrounds us all over the world -- in the middle east, in poor > > > developing nations, further strained by natural disasters and so > on. > > > > > > I would much rather have hundreds of spiritually ill-prepared > field > > > workers in astrology who can bring first aid to the suffering > > > humanity than big, unreal, vacuuous spiritual big-talk that no > one > > I > > > know of has attained or seems to be capable of. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Rao ji, > > > > > > > > Quite interesting features highlighted in order to become an > > > > astrologer. You have mentioned about VaakShuddhi in your post, > > > just > > > > want to add a few more to it. I think VaakShuddhi should also > be > > > > coupled with Thrikarana Shuddhi which signify purity in > thought, > > > > word, and deed. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "N. Vishweshwar Rao" > > > > <srigayatrivedavision> wrote: > > > > > Mr. Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, Jyotisha is not only the scienc of tendencies but > it > > > is > > > > > closely related to Karma Sidhanta. The fruits we enjoy are > the > > > > > results of previews Karma. It can not be avoided by anybody. > An > > > > > Astrologer will get an intuition to give a prediction. The > > > > > intruition is based on the signals received by the Almighty > > God. > > > > > According to the same he will release the prediction. That > is > > > the > > > > > reason why an Astrologer need be a Upasaka. With the Upasana > he > > > > will > > > > > get Vaakshuddhi. VaakShuddhi is very much necessary to an > > > > > Astrologer. Without an Upasana He can not be an Astrologer. > As > > > said > > > > > the accuracy of the Predictions given by an astrologer is > only > > > upto > > > > > 75% only. Claiming that one will predict to the extent of > 100% > > > is > > > > > truly a false. An Astrologer has to maintain the sanctity of > > the > > > > > profession. With being sanctum sanctorum he can not be a > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > An Astrologer has to pray the God for the well being of his > > > > > client. "Chatus Sagara Paryantam Go Brahmana Subham > Bhavatu". I > > > can > > > > > say You have to pray the God for the Loka Kalyana. Well > being > > of > > > > the > > > > > universe. Therefore an Astrologer should have two essential > > > > > qualifications: 1. Should be thorough with the Subject and > must > > > > have > > > > > studied the Vedaangas, 2. Should be an Upasaka. Without > having > > > > these > > > > > two qualifications, he can not be an astrologer. Claiming > > > himself > > > > > being astrologer without these two qualifications, resulting > > > into > > > > > putting himself in the wrong path and cheating the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmasri N. Vishweshwar Rao Daivajna, Consultant Astrologer > & > > > > > Sidhanti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Tanvir: > > > > > > > > > > > > What SP Tata did is outright crooked and unbecoming of a > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > A real jyotish is the one who above petty jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > > > A real Jyotish is the one who lights a Jyoti into the > hearts > > > and > > > > > > thought-process of the people who consul him/her. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudeep Suri has clarified on the V-A board and to me > > > personally > > > > > that > > > > > > his intent was to figure-out why Sanjay's prediction > didn't > > > come > > > > > true > > > > > > and not to malign Sanjay in anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > This fellow named SP Tata used Sudeep's mail to launch an > > > > internet- > > > > > > wide agenda to malign Sanjay--what a shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that the > > > private > > > > > paid > > > > > > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is good to > > see > > > > > that > > > > > > one > > > > > > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get the > > > fairness > > > > > he > > > > > > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess since > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > from different schools envy each other. So your fairness > > and > > > > > just > > > > > > is > > > > > > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do not > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and it > is > > > > enough > > > > > > when > > > > > > > you protest it right there. However, you have made > replies > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > post to other lists, where even the original post did > not > > > > > appear, > > > > > > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point of > > > replying > > > > > to > > > > > > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list > would > > > know > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other > lists, > > > > where > > > > > > even > > > > > > > the original posts did not appear, you actually helped > the > > > > > person > > > > > > to > > > > > > > announce it even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here because > even > > > the > > > > > > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to > > > announce > > > > > the > > > > > > > complaint even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases out of > > all > > > > > > sudden, > > > > > > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it is > you > > > who > > > > is > > > > > > > mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of it > than > > > > > > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not repeat > such > > > > > > > performances in this list again. No need to reply posts > > > those > > > > > were > > > > > > > posted in another list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pandit > S.P.Tata" > > > > > > > <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed mail > by > > > you > > > > > to > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in your > > > case) > > > > in > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > bad taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have > never > > > met > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his follower - > > > > > especially > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid police > > arrest > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his > prediction > > > > > failure > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and don't > > talk > > > > > about > > > > > > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath > discusses > > > > your > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly we > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we give > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our ancient > seers > > > are > > > > > r > > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its > > > > > limitations. > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our ancients. As > > > there > > > > > are > > > > > > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible to > be > > > 100% > > > > > > right > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic astrology > > for > > > > > more > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen > astrology > > > > > sashtras, > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > run my own astrology website - www.astrojyoti.com - I > am > > > > > > fortunate > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer > K.N.Rao > > > to > > > > > guide > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that am > only > > > > about > > > > > > 75% > > > > > > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do go > > > wrong. > > > > > The > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi Bhrigu > > and > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and > after > > > > > spending > > > > > > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its satellites. > The > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog scans, > the > > > > > bridges > > > > > > > built > > > > > > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and financial > > > advisers > > > > > to > > > > > > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. But > > > their > > > > > > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. But > > the > > > > > moment > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in > > > sarcastic > > > > > > > > mudslinging in public. > > > > > > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical > bureaucrats > > > > were > > > > > > > openly > > > > > > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on to it > > and > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate medicine > > > dept. > > > > > and > > > > > > > sing > > > > > > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I > > suppose > > > > our > > > > > > > press > > > > > > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only when > > > Harvard > > > > > > > University > > > > > > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct predictions > also > > > > from > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public like > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain from > > this > > > > > kind > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > sudeep suri > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > > > > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on 29 > JAN > > > > 2004 > > > > > > VIA > > > > > > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an audio > > > casette > > > > > of > > > > > > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your > > > predictions > > > > > are > > > > > > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that in > MAY > > > 2004 > > > > > in > > > > > > > KETU > > > > > > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that in > > JULY > > > > > 2004 I > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and I > never > > > got > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you > took > > > lot > > > > of > > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So > DOES > > > THIS > > > > > MEAN > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND ANALYSIS > IS > > > > > > INCORRECT > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > > > > > > REGARDS > > > > > > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2004 Report Share Posted August 1, 2004 Being an ordinary human being it thrills me no end, Gaurav, that you are reading what I wrote and even responding to my postings (thank you for that) but looks like we are not truly communicating ... What I post here are my reactions, my responses which are coloured by my desh, kaal and pravritti AS is true for all other responses that get posted here. None of us are really realized ones, no matter how or in what beautiful words we choose to indicate that, crudely or subtly (not you! Don't ever take it personally because you are one of the bery few here or elsewhere that ask such good questions that provoke me to stick my 'rational' neck out, almost uncontrollably and perhaps to the detriment of my-self (and that is good, believe me!). There is much in astrology that I call 'budhiya kaa baal' or "cotton candy". It looks large, satisfying, and when put in mouth, almost promises to be so satisfying for a long time, but then we are left with just an aftertaste and mostly a desire for more. Kind of like mother's milk if I may say! It never really quenched our hunger for a long time, but that was supposed to be our first real lesson in this existence. That, love that we receive is not enough. We must continue to give it back -- often to strangers -- almost on a whim at times it might seem and when we really and truly get comfortable with that, we begin to embrace humanity and truly our own self. Humility (I don't have all answers), honesty and curiosity (I am not there yet, but I am open to the optimistic possibility that the next posting on this forum or elsewhere will tell me or lead me to it) and communication (that God-given gift that makes me listen and receive!) will help! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Rohini ji, > > First of all, let me clarify a small thing you have mentioned the > word spiritually-advanced whereas what i meant was spiritually- > inclined thinking. I also gave a reference to people who are not > astrologers and still they are helping the society. They may not seem > as spiritually-advanced but yes their actions may seem due to their > selfless service. > > Secondly coming to your questions > > a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's astrology > improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good > thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? > > - The reference to astrology with spiritually advanced should be > taken in context of purity in thought,word, and deed. Now let me be > clear that a person may not be going to temples or doing regular > prayers but still the qualities discussed above can exist. A good > example would be Swami Vivekanand. > > b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one > like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible for > the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual now > also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, > whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with > astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not > questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but > the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, > application) and spriritual advancement. > > - The goal of improvement lies within us. It is upto us whether we > see the improved person as two separate individuals or a single one. > The perceptions may differ from person to person. But a person can be > using astrology principles for prediction possibly and at the same > time be also utilizing higher forms of knowledge. Although it is hard > to think of such a person. There are some types of Astrology > prevelent in Kerala where the prasna is made but before that the > person(or a group of people) offer their prayers to God. And then the > prediction is made. Even without knowing the problem the group comes > to a the original question(after a series of analysis) and then > offers a solution. Although rare in its existence the followers do > exist. The main purpose is to seek the blessings of God in doing such > predictions. We do believe things that we have havent seen doesn`t > exist and it is pretty natural to do so. But in no way anyone should > be considered to be more advanced( spiritually) than a second person > as each individual has its own form of purity in thought,word and > deed. And upto the time we maintain it in ourselves we are all equal > in pursuit of common goal. > > I hope that the above is of help to some extent. > > Gaurav > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > I hve nothing against being spiritually-advanced or always trying > to > > improve one's spiritual status, regardless of what one does, be one > > an astrologer, doctor, engineer, teacher or butcher! > > > > When statements such as "astrologers need to be spiritually- > advanced > > in order to be good astrologers" are stated in public forums, the > > questions arise? > > > > a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's > astrology > > improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good > > thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? > > > > b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one > > like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible > for > > the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual > now > > also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, > > whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with > > astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not > > questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but > > the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, > > application) and spriritual advancement. > > > > I realize that all this can start a barrage of analogies which can > > muddy the topic, and probably will, but astrology as it is > discussed > > here and can be discussed here is technical. Let us not confuse > that > > with divination which is an altogether different beast -- or rather > > a bird as I have indicated in an article! > > > > RR > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > > > I sincerly agree that it is really difficult to find an > individual > > > with such qualities. Although i believe in one principle that > > every > > > moment is a new learning experience for all of us. Perhaps even > if > > we > > > are not able to achieve such a perfection but we can take small > > step > > > towards that direction. > > > > > > Perhaps here the question of Spiritually ill-prepared persons and > > the > > > rare lot are to understood from the meaning of purity in thought, > > > word, and deed. It is not necassary for a person to render his > > help > > > to the society he has to be an astrologer. A person who possesses > > > such qualities in his daily routine also(even if he is not > > spirtually > > > inclined) is equally good as a person who is spirtually inclined. > > The > > > way we look at qualities not necassarily will make an astrologer > > but > > > yes indeed a person who knows what he doing and how he is doing. > > Self > > > consicence is goal to self realization. The goal may seem > difficult > > > (as we havent seen hardly people around with such qualities) but > > not > > > impossible. No talk is unreal, vacuuous spiritually big till the > > time > > > we maintain the sincerity in it irrespective of fact that we are > > > talking about perfection(keeping in mind an old saying that > Nobody > > is > > > Perfect) even if we arent capable of attaining the perfection but > > a > > > positive thought will surely make a difference(atleast to us). > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > The UGLY fact remains that any of these highly pure astrologers > > > > described in texts just do not seem to exist in the modern > > world. > > > > And if they are so rare as to be nearly non-existent, of what > > good > > > > are they for the daily needs of the millions of suffering > > > nativities > > > > all over the globe? AND OF WHAT USE IS THEIR PRISTINE AND > > NASCENT > > > > ASTROLOGY? > > > > > > > > It is about time that dreamers and fantasizers stopped chasing > > such > > > > unicorns and phoenixes and wake up to the very dire reality > that > > > > surrounds us all over the world -- in the middle east, in poor > > > > developing nations, further strained by natural disasters and > so > > on. > > > > > > > > I would much rather have hundreds of spiritually ill- prepared > > field > > > > workers in astrology who can bring first aid to the suffering > > > > humanity than big, unreal, vacuuous spiritual big-talk that no > > one > > > I > > > > know of has attained or seems to be capable of. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Hello Rao ji, > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting features highlighted in order to become an > > > > > astrologer. You have mentioned about VaakShuddhi in your > post, > > > > just > > > > > want to add a few more to it. I think VaakShuddhi should also > > be > > > > > coupled with Thrikarana Shuddhi which signify purity in > > thought, > > > > > word, and deed. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "N. Vishweshwar Rao" > > > > > <srigayatrivedavision> wrote: > > > > > > Mr. Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, Jyotisha is not only the scienc of tendencies but > > it > > > > is > > > > > > closely related to Karma Sidhanta. The fruits we enjoy are > > the > > > > > > results of previews Karma. It can not be avoided by > anybody. > > An > > > > > > Astrologer will get an intuition to give a prediction. The > > > > > > intruition is based on the signals received by the Almighty > > > God. > > > > > > According to the same he will release the prediction. That > > is > > > > the > > > > > > reason why an Astrologer need be a Upasaka. With the > Upasana > > he > > > > > will > > > > > > get Vaakshuddhi. VaakShuddhi is very much necessary to an > > > > > > Astrologer. Without an Upasana He can not be an Astrologer. > > As > > > > said > > > > > > the accuracy of the Predictions given by an astrologer is > > only > > > > upto > > > > > > 75% only. Claiming that one will predict to the extent of > > 100% > > > > is > > > > > > truly a false. An Astrologer has to maintain the sanctity > of > > > the > > > > > > profession. With being sanctum sanctorum he can not be a > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > An Astrologer has to pray the God for the well being of his > > > > > > client. "Chatus Sagara Paryantam Go Brahmana Subham > > Bhavatu". I > > > > can > > > > > > say You have to pray the God for the Loka Kalyana. Well > > being > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > universe. Therefore an Astrologer should have two essential > > > > > > qualifications: 1. Should be thorough with the Subject and > > must > > > > > have > > > > > > studied the Vedaangas, 2. Should be an Upasaka. Without > > having > > > > > these > > > > > > two qualifications, he can not be an astrologer. Claiming > > > > himself > > > > > > being astrologer without these two qualifications, > resulting > > > > into > > > > > > putting himself in the wrong path and cheating the people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmasri N. Vishweshwar Rao Daivajna, Consultant > Astrologer > > & > > > > > > Sidhanti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > > <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Tanvir: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What SP Tata did is outright crooked and unbecoming of a > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A real jyotish is the one who above petty jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A real Jyotish is the one who lights a Jyoti into the > > hearts > > > > and > > > > > > > thought-process of the people who consul him/her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudeep Suri has clarified on the V-A board and to me > > > > personally > > > > > > that > > > > > > > his intent was to figure-out why Sanjay's prediction > > didn't > > > > come > > > > > > true > > > > > > > and not to malign Sanjay in anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This fellow named SP Tata used Sudeep's mail to launch an > > > > > internet- > > > > > > > wide agenda to malign Sanjay--what a shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that the > > > > private > > > > > > paid > > > > > > > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is good > to > > > see > > > > > > that > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get the > > > > fairness > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess since > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > from different schools envy each other. So your > fairness > > > and > > > > > > just > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do > not > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and it > > is > > > > > enough > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > you protest it right there. However, you have made > > replies > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > post to other lists, where even the original post did > > not > > > > > > appear, > > > > > > > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point of > > > > replying > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list > > would > > > > know > > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other > > lists, > > > > > where > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > the original posts did not appear, you actually helped > > the > > > > > > person > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > announce it even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here because > > even > > > > the > > > > > > > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to > > > > announce > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > complaint even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases out > of > > > all > > > > > > > sudden, > > > > > > > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it is > > you > > > > who > > > > > is > > > > > > > > mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of it > > than > > > > > > > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not repeat > > such > > > > > > > > performances in this list again. No need to reply posts > > > > those > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > posted in another list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pandit > > S.P.Tata" > > > > > > > > <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed mail > > by > > > > you > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in your > > > > case) > > > > > in > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > bad taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have > > never > > > > met > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his > follower - > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid police > > > arrest > > > > in > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his > > prediction > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and don't > > > talk > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath > > discusses > > > > > your > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly we > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we give > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our ancient > > seers > > > > are > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its > > > > > > limitations. > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our ancients. > As > > > > there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible to > > be > > > > 100% > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic > astrology > > > for > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen > > astrology > > > > > > sashtras, > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > run my own astrology website - www.astrojyoti.com - > I > > am > > > > > > > fortunate > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer > > K.N.Rao > > > > to > > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that am > > only > > > > > about > > > > > > > 75% > > > > > > > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do go > > > > wrong. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi > Bhrigu > > > and > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and > > after > > > > > > spending > > > > > > > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its satellites. > > The > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog scans, > > the > > > > > > bridges > > > > > > > > built > > > > > > > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and financial > > > > advisers > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. > But > > > > their > > > > > > > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. > But > > > the > > > > > > moment > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in > > > > sarcastic > > > > > > > > > mudslinging in public. > > > > > > > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical > > bureaucrats > > > > > were > > > > > > > > openly > > > > > > > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on to > it > > > and > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate medicine > > > > dept. > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > sing > > > > > > > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I > > > suppose > > > > > our > > > > > > > > press > > > > > > > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only when > > > > Harvard > > > > > > > > University > > > > > > > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct predictions > > also > > > > > from > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public > like > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain from > > > this > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > sudeep suri > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > > > > > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on 29 > > JAN > > > > > 2004 > > > > > > > VIA > > > > > > > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an audio > > > > casette > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your > > > > predictions > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that in > > MAY > > > > 2004 > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > KETU > > > > > > > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that in > > > JULY > > > > > > 2004 I > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and I > > never > > > > got > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you > > took > > > > lot > > > > > of > > > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So > > DOES > > > > THIS > > > > > > MEAN > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND > ANALYSIS > > IS > > > > > > > INCORRECT > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > > > > > > > REGARDS > > > > > > > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, I wish we could also compare everything with the cotton candy but i prefer to give reason even when we desire for more. Even been pious and spiritual and out-of-this world should be coupled with logic also. Makes me wonder that is there anything without logic? Then why not try to find the logic behind it? I am glad that you mentioned "None of us are really realized ones". I did highlighted that in a different manner in my first post(talking about perfection, keeping in mind an old saying that Nobody is Perfect). Perhaps the rational approach is based on rational on all what we have learnt and experienced. But what is also to be noted is that is there room for so called irrational one to be changed to rational one after giving proper reasoning coupled with experience? Words may seem beautiful or they maybe simple, it all depends the way we look towards them. Complexity breeds simplicity as often we do break the complex forms into a simpler form to find a solution. Gaurav p.s- atleast i dont take your words personally. , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Being an ordinary human being it thrills me no end, Gaurav, that you > are reading what I wrote and even responding to my postings (thank > you for that) but looks like we are not truly communicating ... > > What I post here are my reactions, my responses which are coloured > by my desh, kaal and pravritti AS is true for all other responses > that get posted here. None of us are really realized ones, no matter > how or in what beautiful words we choose to indicate that, crudely > or subtly (not you! Don't ever take it personally because you are > one of the bery few here or elsewhere that ask such good questions > that provoke me to stick my 'rational' neck out, almost > uncontrollably and perhaps to the detriment of my-self (and that is > good, believe me!). There is much in astrology that I call 'budhiya > kaa baal' or "cotton candy". It looks large, satisfying, and when > put in mouth, almost promises to be so satisfying for a long time, > but then we are left with just an aftertaste and mostly a desire for > more. Kind of like mother's milk if I may say! It never really > quenched our hunger for a long time, but that was supposed to be our > first real lesson in this existence. That, love that we receive is > not enough. We must continue to give it back -- often to strangers - - > almost on a whim at times it might seem and when we really and > truly get comfortable with that, we begin to embrace humanity and > truly our own self. > > Humility (I don't have all answers), honesty and curiosity (I am not > there yet, but I am open to the optimistic possibility that the next > posting on this forum or elsewhere will tell me or lead me to it) > and communication (that God-given gift that makes me listen and > receive!) will help! > > RR > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > First of all, let me clarify a small thing you have mentioned the > > word spiritually-advanced whereas what i meant was spiritually- > > inclined thinking. I also gave a reference to people who are not > > astrologers and still they are helping the society. They may not > seem > > as spiritually-advanced but yes their actions may seem due to > their > > selfless service. > > > > Secondly coming to your questions > > > > a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's > astrology > > improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good > > thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? > > > > - The reference to astrology with spiritually advanced should be > > taken in context of purity in thought,word, and deed. Now let me > be > > clear that a person may not be going to temples or doing regular > > prayers but still the qualities discussed above can exist. A good > > example would be Swami Vivekanand. > > > > b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single one > > like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible > for > > the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual > now > > also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information processing, > > whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that with > > astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not > > questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual but > > the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, rules, > > application) and spriritual advancement. > > > > - The goal of improvement lies within us. It is upto us whether we > > see the improved person as two separate individuals or a single > one. > > The perceptions may differ from person to person. But a person can > be > > using astrology principles for prediction possibly and at the same > > time be also utilizing higher forms of knowledge. Although it is > hard > > to think of such a person. There are some types of Astrology > > prevelent in Kerala where the prasna is made but before that the > > person(or a group of people) offer their prayers to God. And then > the > > prediction is made. Even without knowing the problem the group > comes > > to a the original question(after a series of analysis) and then > > offers a solution. Although rare in its existence the followers do > > exist. The main purpose is to seek the blessings of God in doing > such > > predictions. We do believe things that we have havent seen doesn`t > > exist and it is pretty natural to do so. But in no way anyone > should > > be considered to be more advanced( spiritually) than a second > person > > as each individual has its own form of purity in thought,word and > > deed. And upto the time we maintain it in ourselves we are all > equal > > in pursuit of common goal. > > > > I hope that the above is of help to some extent. > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > I hve nothing against being spiritually-advanced or always > trying > > to > > > improve one's spiritual status, regardless of what one does, be > one > > > an astrologer, doctor, engineer, teacher or butcher! > > > > > > When statements such as "astrologers need to be spiritually- > > advanced > > > in order to be good astrologers" are stated in public forums, > the > > > questions arise? > > > > > > a) Is this based on actual facts or demonstration of one's > > astrology > > > improving as one gets spiritually advanced? Or is it just a good > > > thing like mother's milk that cannot be challenged or questioned? > > > > > > b) Is such an improved astrologer (I have to find even a single > one > > > like that!) only using astrology principles that are responsible > > for > > > the better astrology (prediction possibly?) or is the individual > > now > > > also utilizing higher forms of knowledge, information > processing, > > > whatsover? If that is the case, then we should not mix up that > with > > > astrology for such discussions or statements. Mind you, I am not > > > questioning the effectiveness or efficacy of such an individual > but > > > the superficially voiced link between astrology (technique, > rules, > > > application) and spriritual advancement. > > > > > > I realize that all this can start a barrage of analogies which > can > > > muddy the topic, and probably will, but astrology as it is > > discussed > > > here and can be discussed here is technical. Let us not confuse > > that > > > with divination which is an altogether different beast -- or > rather > > > a bird as I have indicated in an article! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I sincerly agree that it is really difficult to find an > > individual > > > > with such qualities. Although i believe in one principle that > > > every > > > > moment is a new learning experience for all of us. Perhaps > even > > if > > > we > > > > are not able to achieve such a perfection but we can take > small > > > step > > > > towards that direction. > > > > > > > > Perhaps here the question of Spiritually ill-prepared persons > and > > > the > > > > rare lot are to understood from the meaning of purity in > thought, > > > > word, and deed. It is not necassary for a person to render his > > > help > > > > to the society he has to be an astrologer. A person who > possesses > > > > such qualities in his daily routine also(even if he is not > > > spirtually > > > > inclined) is equally good as a person who is spirtually > inclined. > > > The > > > > way we look at qualities not necassarily will make an > astrologer > > > but > > > > yes indeed a person who knows what he doing and how he is > doing. > > > Self > > > > consicence is goal to self realization. The goal may seem > > difficult > > > > (as we havent seen hardly people around with such qualities) > but > > > not > > > > impossible. No talk is unreal, vacuuous spiritually big till > the > > > time > > > > we maintain the sincerity in it irrespective of fact that we > are > > > > talking about perfection(keeping in mind an old saying that > > Nobody > > > is > > > > Perfect) even if we arent capable of attaining the perfection > but > > > a > > > > positive thought will surely make a difference(atleast to us). > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > The UGLY fact remains that any of these highly pure > astrologers > > > > > described in texts just do not seem to exist in the modern > > > world. > > > > > And if they are so rare as to be nearly non-existent, of > what > > > good > > > > > are they for the daily needs of the millions of suffering > > > > nativities > > > > > all over the globe? AND OF WHAT USE IS THEIR PRISTINE AND > > > NASCENT > > > > > ASTROLOGY? > > > > > > > > > > It is about time that dreamers and fantasizers stopped > chasing > > > such > > > > > unicorns and phoenixes and wake up to the very dire reality > > that > > > > > surrounds us all over the world -- in the middle east, in > poor > > > > > developing nations, further strained by natural disasters > and > > so > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > I would much rather have hundreds of spiritually ill- > prepared > > > field > > > > > workers in astrology who can bring first aid to the > suffering > > > > > humanity than big, unreal, vacuuous spiritual big-talk that > no > > > one > > > > I > > > > > know of has attained or seems to be capable of. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rao ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite interesting features highlighted in order to become > an > > > > > > astrologer. You have mentioned about VaakShuddhi in your > > post, > > > > > just > > > > > > want to add a few more to it. I think VaakShuddhi should > also > > > be > > > > > > coupled with Thrikarana Shuddhi which signify purity in > > > thought, > > > > > > word, and deed. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "N. Vishweshwar > Rao" > > > > > > <srigayatrivedavision> wrote: > > > > > > > Mr. Tanvir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, Jyotisha is not only the scienc of tendencies > but > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > closely related to Karma Sidhanta. The fruits we enjoy > are > > > the > > > > > > > results of previews Karma. It can not be avoided by > > anybody. > > > An > > > > > > > Astrologer will get an intuition to give a prediction. > The > > > > > > > intruition is based on the signals received by the > Almighty > > > > God. > > > > > > > According to the same he will release the prediction. > That > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > reason why an Astrologer need be a Upasaka. With the > > Upasana > > > he > > > > > > will > > > > > > > get Vaakshuddhi. VaakShuddhi is very much necessary to > an > > > > > > > Astrologer. Without an Upasana He can not be an > Astrologer. > > > As > > > > > said > > > > > > > the accuracy of the Predictions given by an astrologer > is > > > only > > > > > upto > > > > > > > 75% only. Claiming that one will predict to the extent > of > > > 100% > > > > > is > > > > > > > truly a false. An Astrologer has to maintain the > sanctity > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > profession. With being sanctum sanctorum he can not be a > > > > > > Astrologer. > > > > > > > An Astrologer has to pray the God for the well being of > his > > > > > > > client. "Chatus Sagara Paryantam Go Brahmana Subham > > > Bhavatu". I > > > > > can > > > > > > > say You have to pray the God for the Loka Kalyana. Well > > > being > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > universe. Therefore an Astrologer should have two > essential > > > > > > > qualifications: 1. Should be thorough with the Subject > and > > > must > > > > > > have > > > > > > > studied the Vedaangas, 2. Should be an Upasaka. Without > > > having > > > > > > these > > > > > > > two qualifications, he can not be an astrologer. > Claiming > > > > > himself > > > > > > > being astrologer without these two qualifications, > > resulting > > > > > into > > > > > > > putting himself in the wrong path and cheating the > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brahmasri N. Vishweshwar Rao Daivajna, Consultant > > Astrologer > > > & > > > > > > > Sidhanti. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "monmuk111" > > > > > > > <monmuk111> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Tanvir: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What SP Tata did is outright crooked and unbecoming of > a > > > > > Jyotish. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A real jyotish is the one who above petty jealousy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A real Jyotish is the one who lights a Jyoti into the > > > hearts > > > > > and > > > > > > > > thought-process of the people who consul him/her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sudeep Suri has clarified on the V-A board and to me > > > > > personally > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > his intent was to figure-out why Sanjay's prediction > > > didn't > > > > > come > > > > > > > true > > > > > > > > and not to malign Sanjay in anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This fellow named SP Tata used Sudeep's mail to launch > an > > > > > > internet- > > > > > > > > wide agenda to malign Sanjay--what a shame. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mukund > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir > > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Mr. Tata, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I appreciate your concern about your opinion that > the > > > > > private > > > > > > > paid > > > > > > > > > reading should not be discussed in public. It is > good > > to > > > > see > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > astrologer hopes that another astrologer would get > the > > > > > fairness > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > deserves. Today the world of astrology is a mess > since > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > from different schools envy each other. So your > > fairness > > > > and > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > appreciated in this regard. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are also facts in your post that I do > > not > > > > > > > appreciate > > > > > > > > > at all. The complaint was made in another list, and > it > > > is > > > > > > enough > > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > you protest it right there. However, you have made > > > replies > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > post to other lists, where even the original post > did > > > not > > > > > > > appear, > > > > > > > > > such as Gjlist, and this list. So what is the point > of > > > > > replying > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > these lists? Only people of the Vedic-Astrology list > > > would > > > > > know > > > > > > > > this, > > > > > > > > > seeing the post. But when you have replied to other > > > lists, > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > the original posts did not appear, you actually > helped > > > the > > > > > > > person > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > announce it even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no reason in this post to reply here > because > > > even > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > original post was not posted here. Rather this is to > > > > > announce > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > complaint even better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also you have pulled in the topic of police cases > out > > of > > > > all > > > > > > > > sudden, > > > > > > > > > out of a stream. He did not mention it anywhere it > is > > > you > > > > > who > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what you did, is rather a better announcement of > it > > > than > > > > > > > > > protesting it. This is noted, so please do not > repeat > > > such > > > > > > > > > performances in this list again. No need to reply > posts > > > > > those > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > posted in another list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pandit > > > S.P.Tata" > > > > > > > > > <sptata@a...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sudeep Suri, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a professional astrologer I find the enclosed > mail > > > by > > > > > you > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Rath (regarding the failure of his prediction in > your > > > > > case) > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > bad taste. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First of all let me make it very clear that I have > > > never > > > > > met > > > > > > > > Sanjay > > > > > > > > > > Rath, I am not his student and I am not his > > follower - > > > > > > > especially > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > view of his running away from Delhi to avoid > police > > > > arrest > > > > > in > > > > > > > his > > > > > > > > > > famous fraud case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However I do not appreciate your parading his > > > prediction > > > > > > > failure > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > public. Astrologers maintain client privacy and > don't > > > > talk > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > > > questions asked or advise given. If Sanjay Rath > > > discusses > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > sex life in public you'll not like it. Similarly > we > > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > > expect some fairness from the people to whom we > give > > > > > > > > predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Vedic astrology principles given by our > ancient > > > seers > > > > > are > > > > > > > r > > > > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > > > true. It is we astrologers whose knowledge has its > > > > > > > limitations. > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > don't have the spritual Divya Gyan of our > ancients. > > As > > > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > millions of combinations to study, its impossible > to > > > be > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > > > any astrologer. I have been practicing Vedic > > astrology > > > > for > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > 20 years, studied more than a couple of dozen > > > astrology > > > > > > > sashtras, > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > run my own astrology website - > www.astrojyoti.com - > > I > > > am > > > > > > > > fortunate > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > have a relative like the world famous astrologer > > > K.N.Rao > > > > > to > > > > > > > guide > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > whenever I seek advise, but in spite of all that > am > > > only > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > 75% > > > > > > > > > > correct. There are those 25% predictions, which do > go > > > > > wrong. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > > day > > > > > > > > > > we are 100% right we'll be in heaven with Rishi > > Bhrigu > > > > and > > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > Parashara and not here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With thousands of the best scientists working and > > > after > > > > > > > spending > > > > > > > > > > billions of US$, NASA can't guarantee its > satellites. > > > The > > > > > > > doctors > > > > > > > > > make > > > > > > > > > > wrong diagnosis even after cat scans and dog > scans, > > > the > > > > > > > bridges > > > > > > > > > built > > > > > > > > > > by engineers crash and the accountants and > financial > > > > > advisers > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > nations flop frequently to cause economic crashes. > > But > > > > > their > > > > > > > > > > professions and their sciences are not questioned. > > But > > > > the > > > > > > > moment > > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > > > astrologer fails people are willing to indulge in > > > > > sarcastic > > > > > > > > > > mudslinging in public. > > > > > > > > > > Just a decade ago our doctors and the medical > > > bureaucrats > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > > openly > > > > > > > > > > ridiculing Ayurveda. But once the Yankees got on > to > > it > > > > and > > > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > > > patenting our formulae, we have an alternate > medicine > > > > > dept. > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > sing > > > > > > > > > > international songs about our cultural heritage. I > > > > suppose > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > press > > > > > > > > > > and public will recognize Vedic astrology only > when > > > > > Harvard > > > > > > > > > University > > > > > > > > > > starts teaching it!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure you have received some correct > predictions > > > also > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > astrologers. Have you acknowledged them in public > > like > > > > > this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I sincerely request all group members to refrain > from > > > > this > > > > > > > kind > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > mudslinging sarcasm. > > > > > > > > > > With regards > > > > > > > > > > Pandit S.P.Tata > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > sudeep suri > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:37 PM > > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] TO SANJAY RATHJI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DEAR SANJAY RATH JI MAHARAJ > > > > > > > > > > Reference my astrological consultation with you on > 29 > > > JAN > > > > > > 2004 > > > > > > > > VIA > > > > > > > > > > telephone.After the consultation you sent me an > audio > > > > > casette > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > predictions(OUR TAPED CONVERSATION ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOW 6 months down the line I find that all your > > > > > predictions > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > incorrect.Your most important prediction was that > in > > > MAY > > > > > 2004 > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > KETU > > > > > > > > > > pratyantar I will get something fantastic and that > in > > > > JULY > > > > > > > 2004 I > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > be in USA. Sir JULY is finished I am in INDIA and > I > > > never > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > anything > > > > > > > > > > FANTASTIC as you mentioned in MAY 2004. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am wondering WHY YOU HAVE GONE WRONG because you > > > took > > > > > lot > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > pains > > > > > > > > > > to explain the astrological reasoning behind it.So > > > DOES > > > > > THIS > > > > > > > MEAN > > > > > > > > > > ASTROLOGY IS NO SCIENCE OR YOUR REASONING AND > > ANALYSIS > > > IS > > > > > > > > INCORRECT > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > WOULD BE INTERESTED TO KNOW. > > > > > > > > > > REGARDS > > > > > > > > > > SUDEEP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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