Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Dear All, SUB:WHY the couple are separated in Aashadha? I understand what our friend says but it does not answer the question - WHY the couple are separated in Aashadha for the "FIRST time only"? Instead it creates a new question : WHY couples are not separated during the other inauspicious time enlisted for marriage or Conception? If Socio-Economic situation is the reason and not astrology, we can stop this practice now, since Desha-Kaala-Vartamaana(Time-Place- Situation) have changed enough now influencing eco-social scenario! Who does not like his/her child to have Exalted Sun and Exalted Venus in the chart? Those moments are wasted in the first year if couples are separated in Aashadha without any Astrological reason! At the same time, there is the risk of Debilitated Mercury. This fact of Aashadha being a month of VIRAHA or separation is well depicted from times immemorial by the Indian poets and authours which clearly indicates that : 1. Separation was not just suffered by wedded couple, but even for lovers!(Reasons are climate, socio-economic as upheld by our friend) 2.The Month Aashadha has something to do with separation (the reason for which we are in search now) It would be interesting for some of you to know that Kaalidaasa's Meghadootam which is the classical piece describing lovers' separation, starts with - "AASHADHASYA PRATHAMA DIVASE, ......." and describes how Ashadha was a synechdoche of separation. We should remember that Kaalidasa was also a great astrologer in those days. We just miss an astro-link why it was a time of separation! yours, KAD , tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > Hello KD san, > > Shitsurei shimasu. > > Continuing with the logical approach of practical basis of Muhurthas and marriages , not only Ashadha was avoided but Shravana, Bhadrapada(Being Pitru masa) and also Ashvina was avoided in fixing marriages. Marriages in Dhanurmasa were also discouraged and banned due to child birth taking place in August-september for the same reasons . > Thinking logically, in olden days, biggest hinderence was safe transportation followed by near death experience for women in productive age being Child Birth. > Infant/maternal mortality was very high. > Deaths due to infected waters were very high. > Thus if Marriages were to be conducted in Rainy season, the births would start right from Vasant Ritu thro summer when maximum marriages were fixed for obvious reasons like easy transport, lot of liquidity of money after crops were sold etc. > Anything that would upset the applecart by death in delivery/child mortality etc would affect many families due to SUTAKAM . The Brahmins would lose that much business due to stoppage of Marriages and other samskaras from all affected families who wold be observing sutakams. > Marriagesand child births being the most important of shodasha samskaras were taken very seriously .(Due to economic reasons ) > We need to understand that our ancestors , apart from being religious were extremely logical in fixing timings for everything. > Every muhurtham/festival revolved around economy.Marriagesand child births being the most important of shodasha samskaras were taken very seriously .(Due to economic reasons ) > People may have different views. > As self always says, > Tunde Tunde (Munde- Munde) Matir Bhinaa. > Tatvam-Asi > > hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > SUB: AASHADHA MAASA and SEPARATION OF COUPLE > > >>Well my dear friend .. then why is that said that the > >>mother in law and the daughter in law should not cross > >>the same entrance??? I presume there is also some > >>scientific reason to that??? > > OBVIOUSLY, INTENTION IS SEPARATING COUPLES, SAYING IT IN A DIFFERENT > WAY! AND THERE ARE MANY MANY IMPLIED STYLES > OF SAYING THINGS WITH HIDDEN MEANING. ALL THOSE STUFF CAN NOT BE > REASONED ALWAYS AND THEY CONTINUE AS A PART OF CULTURE! > BUT REALLY IF SOMEONE CAN RELATE WITH SCIENTIFIC LOGIC, I WOULD BE > HAPPY TO KNOW! > > And what Tat-twam-asi says as logical reason for 'avoiding any > Muhurtha in Aashadha' is true BUT it doesnot open up the > logic behind the present question in view - WHY ONLY FOR THE FIRST > TIME COUPLES ARE SEPARATED IN AASHADHA? > As far as RAINY season and agriculture is concerned, it is not at all > related in this case! Since it starts raining in > every AASHADHA and couples will not separate each year! > > Logically - to avoid first labour at summer? Astrologically- to avoid > debility of Mercury, the key planet? is the real question! > > It would be interesting to know that Sri Rama's chart and Ravana's > chart were alike except for Mercury in Taurus and Pisces respectively. > That makes sense why Mercury must be avoided from debility!(Ref. > Royal Horoscopes - B.SuryanarainRao, grand father of BV Raman) > > yours > KAD > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2004 Report Share Posted July 31, 2004 Kalidasa the poet was probably not the same Kalidasa who wrote UttaraKalamrita, as per Dr. P.S. Sastri stated in his translation of the astrological text. , "hanya_shingyo" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > SUB:WHY the couple are separated in Aashadha? > > I understand what our friend says but it does not answer the > question - WHY the couple are separated in Aashadha for the "FIRST > time only"? > Instead it creates a new question : WHY couples are not separated > during the other inauspicious time enlisted for marriage or > Conception? > If Socio-Economic situation is the reason and not astrology, we can > stop this practice now, since Desha-Kaala-Vartamaana(Time-Place- > Situation) > have changed enough now influencing eco-social scenario! Who does not > like his/her child to have Exalted Sun and Exalted Venus in the chart? > Those moments are wasted in the first year if couples are separated > in Aashadha without any Astrological reason! At the same time, there > is > the risk of Debilitated Mercury. > > This fact of Aashadha being a month of VIRAHA or separation is well > depicted from times immemorial by the Indian poets and authours which > clearly indicates that : > 1. Separation was not just suffered by wedded couple, but > even for lovers!(Reasons are climate, socio-economic as upheld by our > friend) > 2.The Month Aashadha has something to do with separation > (the reason for which we are in search now) > > It would be interesting for some of you to know that Kaalidaasa's > Meghadootam which is the classical piece describing lovers' > separation, > starts with - "AASHADHASYA PRATHAMA DIVASE, ......." and describes > how Ashadha was a synechdoche of separation. > We should remember that Kaalidasa was also a great astrologer in > those days. > > We just miss an astro-link why it was a time of separation! > > yours, > KAD > > > > , tatvam asi > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Hello KD san, > > > > Shitsurei shimasu. > > > > Continuing with the logical approach of practical basis of > Muhurthas and marriages , not only Ashadha was avoided but Shravana, > Bhadrapada(Being Pitru masa) and also Ashvina was avoided in fixing > marriages. Marriages in Dhanurmasa were also discouraged and banned > due to child birth taking place in August-september for the same > reasons . > > Thinking logically, in olden days, biggest hinderence was safe > transportation followed by near death experience for women in > productive age being Child Birth. > > Infant/maternal mortality was very high. > > Deaths due to infected waters were very high. > > Thus if Marriages were to be conducted in Rainy season, the births > would start right from Vasant Ritu thro summer when maximum marriages > were fixed for obvious reasons like easy transport, lot of liquidity > of money after crops were sold etc. > > Anything that would upset the applecart by death in delivery/child > mortality etc would affect many families due to SUTAKAM . The > Brahmins would lose that much business due to stoppage of Marriages > and other samskaras from all affected families who wold be observing > sutakams. > > Marriagesand child births being the most important of shodasha > samskaras were taken very seriously .(Due to economic reasons ) > > We need to understand that our ancestors , apart from being > religious were extremely logical in fixing timings for everything. > > Every muhurtham/festival revolved around economy.Marriagesand child > births being the most important of shodasha samskaras were taken > very seriously .(Due to economic reasons ) > > People may have different views. > > As self always says, > > Tunde Tunde (Munde- Munde) Matir Bhinaa. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > SUB: AASHADHA MAASA and SEPARATION OF COUPLE > > > > >>Well my dear friend .. then why is that said that the > > >>mother in law and the daughter in law should not cross > > >>the same entrance??? I presume there is also some > > >>scientific reason to that??? > > > > OBVIOUSLY, INTENTION IS SEPARATING COUPLES, SAYING IT IN A > DIFFERENT > > WAY! AND THERE ARE MANY MANY IMPLIED STYLES > > OF SAYING THINGS WITH HIDDEN MEANING. ALL THOSE STUFF CAN NOT BE > > REASONED ALWAYS AND THEY CONTINUE AS A PART OF CULTURE! > > BUT REALLY IF SOMEONE CAN RELATE WITH SCIENTIFIC LOGIC, I WOULD BE > > HAPPY TO KNOW! > > > > And what Tat-twam-asi says as logical reason for 'avoiding any > > Muhurtha in Aashadha' is true BUT it doesnot open up the > > logic behind the present question in view - WHY ONLY FOR THE FIRST > > TIME COUPLES ARE SEPARATED IN AASHADHA? > > As far as RAINY season and agriculture is concerned, it is not at > all > > related in this case! Since it starts raining in > > every AASHADHA and couples will not separate each year! > > > > Logically - to avoid first labour at summer? Astrologically- to > avoid > > debility of Mercury, the key planet? is the real question! > > > > It would be interesting to know that Sri Rama's chart and Ravana's > > chart were alike except for Mercury in Taurus and Pisces > respectively. > > That makes sense why Mercury must be avoided from debility!(Ref. > > Royal Horoscopes - B.SuryanarainRao, grand father of BV Raman) > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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