Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Hi, They say that in the month of Ashadh, a newly wed couple should not live together;so usually the wife lives at her mothers place during this period of ashadh(june/july). in some regions,it is held that that the daughter-in-law and mother- in-law should not live together. is there any astrological significance?does anyone know why this custom is prevalent?and what are the effects if it is not followed? Thanks in advance for your replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2004 Report Share Posted July 29, 2004 Dear All, SUBJECT: About separation of wife and husband in aashadha maasa This is a good question and commonly observed in India and especially in South. As I know these are the facts related to it: 1. If conception takes place during Aashadha maasa, the child is usually expected to be born Chaitra maasa, 9 months after Aashadha, when it is very hot with summer in progress and hence may hinder new born child not only with heat but with many diseases and fevers since all know summer is the season of diseases, especially in South India. This being the main reason, all other implied reasons like - 2. Keeping Husband and wife away in Aashadha 3. separating Daughter-in-law and Mother-in-law in Aashadha(which means wife and husband too) 4.Frightening of ill fate or separation in future to couple if they dont separate in Aashaadha 5.Prohibitting marriage in Aashadha ....etc etc...came into vogue. The interesting astrological fact is that, in Chaitra maasa Sun is exalted usually and perhaps people wanted to - AVOID exalted Sun in most of the horoscopes?!? -- since Exalted sun moulds famous and competent persons? - Or wanted to avoid Debilitated Mercury in Pisces?!? since Mercury is debilitatedusually in Chaitra. This MEANS something! None wants Budha to be in debility in horoscope as it is the planet of intellect and intelligence and commonsense. - Or wanted to avoid Exalted Venus?!? Because Exalted Venus moulds famous artists and beautiful ones..? Whatever the vogue was...it was broken all the time and make sure that Sri Rama was born in chaitra after nine months which means King Dasharatha and queen Kousalya werent separated in Aashaadha!! To be frank, there are so many born in Chaitra with powerful Sun,venus to become really famous personalities. Whether the belief is superstitious or astrological, it is BETTER than asking good time for forcibly getting baby out with caesarean techniques..just a new version of time selection! Hope to hear if anybody else knows anything related to this concept. yours KAD In , "venkyuppala" <venkyuppala> wrote: > Hi, > They say that in the month of Ashadh, a newly wed couple should not > live together;so usually the wife lives at her mothers place during > this period of ashadh(june/july). > in some regions,it is held that that the daughter-in-law and mother- > in-law should not live together. > is there any astrological significance?does anyone know why this > custom is prevalent?and what are the effects if it is not followed? > > Thanks in advance for your replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 hi kad, thanks for the reply...it was enlightening. i was wondering if this custom was associated with any other effects like a mishap. i know someone who is recently married in may.and the month of ashadh followed in june-july.his wife stayed on with him.his mother had an accident in july. so was wondering if this had anything to do with daughter-in-law and mother-in-law staying together under the same roof. maybe far- fetched,but just a thought. if the thing about conception is true,it would mean that the wife and husband should not stay together in ashadh every year as long as they are capable of bearing children.But this custom is followed only for newly-weds.this is quite strange,don't you think? , "hanya_shingyo" <kadrudra> wrote: > Dear All, > > SUBJECT: About separation of wife and husband in aashadha maasa > > This is a good question and commonly observed in India and especially > in South. > As I know these are the facts related to it: > > 1. If conception takes place during Aashadha maasa, the child > is usually expected to be born Chaitra maasa, > 9 months after Aashadha, when it is very hot with summer in > progress and hence may hinder new born child > not only with heat but with many diseases and fevers since > all know summer is the season of diseases, especially > in South India. > This being the main reason, all other implied reasons like - > > 2. Keeping Husband and wife away in Aashadha > 3. separating Daughter-in-law and Mother-in-law in Aashadha(which > means wife and husband too) > 4.Frightening of ill fate or separation in future to couple if they > dont separate in Aashaadha > 5.Prohibitting marriage in Aashadha > ...etc etc...came into vogue. > > The interesting astrological fact is that, in Chaitra maasa Sun is > exalted usually and perhaps people wanted to > > - AVOID exalted Sun in most of the horoscopes?!? -- since Exalted sun > moulds famous and competent persons? > > - Or wanted to avoid Debilitated Mercury in Pisces?!? since Mercury > is debilitatedusually in Chaitra. > This MEANS something! None wants Budha to be in debility in horoscope > as it is the planet of > intellect and intelligence and commonsense. > > - Or wanted to avoid Exalted Venus?!? Because Exalted Venus moulds > famous artists and beautiful ones..? > > Whatever the vogue was...it was broken all the time and make sure > that Sri Rama was born in chaitra after nine months > which means King Dasharatha and queen Kousalya werent separated in > Aashaadha!! To be frank, there are so many born in > Chaitra with powerful Sun,venus to become really famous personalities. > > Whether the belief is superstitious or astrological, it is BETTER > than asking good time for forcibly getting > baby out with caesarean techniques..just a new version of time > selection! > > Hope to hear if anybody else knows anything related to this concept. > > yours > KAD In , "venkyuppala" <venkyuppala> > wrote: > > Hi, > > They say that in the month of Ashadh, a newly wed couple should not > > live together;so usually the wife lives at her mothers place during > > this period of ashadh(june/july). > > in some regions,it is held that that the daughter-in-law and mother- > > in-law should not live together. > > is there any astrological significance?does anyone know why this > > custom is prevalent?and what are the effects if it is not followed? > > > > Thanks in advance for your replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Dear All, SUB: Why new couples are separated in month of Ashaadha? Yes, You have a point...Why for the first time only? May be because ancestors wanted to AVOID first labour at summer, since first confinement is regarded to be too painful, and sometimes called a rebirth of the mother. Mother members here can help us more in judging whetehr its a myth! yours KAD , "venkyuppala" <venkyuppala> wrote: > hi kad, > thanks for the reply...it was enlightening. > > i was wondering if this custom was associated with any other effects > like a mishap. > i know someone who is recently married in may.and the month of ashadh > followed in june-july.his wife stayed on with him.his mother had an > accident in july. > so was wondering if this had anything to do with daughter-in-law and > mother-in-law staying together under the same roof. maybe far- > fetched,but just a thought. > > if the thing about conception is true,it would mean that the wife and > husband should not stay together in ashadh every year as long as they > are capable of bearing children.But this custom is followed only for > newly-weds.this is quite strange,don't you think? > > , "hanya_shingyo" > <kadrudra> wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > SUBJECT: About separation of wife and husband in aashadha maasa > > > > This is a good question and commonly observed in India and > especially > > in South. > > As I know these are the facts related to it: > > > > 1. If conception takes place during Aashadha maasa, the child > > is usually expected to be born Chaitra maasa, > > 9 months after Aashadha, when it is very hot with summer in > > progress and hence may hinder new born child > > not only with heat but with many diseases and fevers since > > all know summer is the season of diseases, especially > > in South India. > > This being the main reason, all other implied reasons like - > > > > 2. Keeping Husband and wife away in Aashadha > > 3. separating Daughter-in-law and Mother-in-law in Aashadha(which > > means wife and husband too) > > 4.Frightening of ill fate or separation in future to couple if they > > dont separate in Aashaadha > > 5.Prohibitting marriage in Aashadha > > ...etc etc...came into vogue. > > > > The interesting astrological fact is that, in Chaitra maasa Sun is > > exalted usually and perhaps people wanted to > > > > - AVOID exalted Sun in most of the horoscopes?!? -- since Exalted > sun > > moulds famous and competent persons? > > > > - Or wanted to avoid Debilitated Mercury in Pisces?!? since Mercury > > is debilitatedusually in Chaitra. > > This MEANS something! None wants Budha to be in debility in > horoscope > > as it is the planet of > > intellect and intelligence and commonsense. > > > > - Or wanted to avoid Exalted Venus?!? Because Exalted Venus moulds > > famous artists and beautiful ones..? > > > > Whatever the vogue was...it was broken all the time and make sure > > that Sri Rama was born in chaitra after nine months > > which means King Dasharatha and queen Kousalya werent separated in > > Aashaadha!! To be frank, there are so many born in > > Chaitra with powerful Sun,venus to become really famous > personalities. > > > > Whether the belief is superstitious or astrological, it is BETTER > > than asking good time for forcibly getting > > baby out with caesarean techniques..just a new version of time > > selection! > > > > Hope to hear if anybody else knows anything related to this concept. > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , "venkyuppala" > <venkyuppala> > > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > They say that in the month of Ashadh, a newly wed couple should > not > > > live together;so usually the wife lives at her mothers place > during > > > this period of ashadh(june/july). > > > in some regions,it is held that that the daughter-in-law and > mother- > > > in-law should not live together. > > > is there any astrological significance?does anyone know why this > > > custom is prevalent?and what are the effects if it is not > followed? > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your replies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2004 Report Share Posted July 30, 2004 Well my dear friend .. then why is that said that the mother in law and the daughter in law should not cross the same entrance??? I presume there is also some scientific reason to that??? --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra wrote: > Dear All, > > SUB: Why new couples are separated in month of > Ashaadha? > > Yes, You have a point...Why for the first time only? > > May be because ancestors wanted to AVOID first > labour at summer, > since first confinement is regarded to be too > painful, > and sometimes called a rebirth of the mother. > Mother members here can help us more in judging > whetehr its a myth! > yours > KAD > > > > , > "venkyuppala" > <venkyuppala> wrote: > > hi kad, > > thanks for the reply...it was enlightening. > > > > i was wondering if this custom was associated with > any other > effects > > like a mishap. > > i know someone who is recently married in may.and > the month of > ashadh > > followed in june-july.his wife stayed on with > him.his mother had an > > accident in july. > > so was wondering if this had anything to do with > daughter-in-law > and > > mother-in-law staying together under the same > roof. maybe far- > > fetched,but just a thought. > > > > if the thing about conception is true,it would > mean that the wife > and > > husband should not stay together in ashadh every > year as long as > they > > are capable of bearing children.But this custom is > followed only > for > > newly-weds.this is quite strange,don't you think? > > > > , > "hanya_shingyo" > > <kadrudra> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > SUBJECT: About separation of wife and husband in > aashadha maasa > > > > > > This is a good question and commonly observed in > India and > > especially > > > in South. > > > As I know these are the facts related to it: > > > > > > 1. If conception takes place during Aashadha > maasa, the child > > > is usually expected to be born Chaitra maasa, > > > 9 months after Aashadha, when it is very hot > with summer in > > > progress and hence may hinder new born child > > > not only with heat but with many diseases and > fevers since > > > all know summer is the season of diseases, > especially > > > in South India. > > > This being the main reason, all other implied > reasons like - > > > > > > 2. Keeping Husband and wife away in Aashadha > > > 3. separating Daughter-in-law and Mother-in-law > in Aashadha(which > > > means wife and husband too) > > > 4.Frightening of ill fate or separation in > future to couple if > they > > > dont separate in Aashaadha > > > 5.Prohibitting marriage in Aashadha > > > ...etc etc...came into vogue. > > > > > > The interesting astrological fact is that, in > Chaitra maasa Sun > is > > > exalted usually and perhaps people wanted to > > > > > > - AVOID exalted Sun in most of the horoscopes?!? > -- since Exalted > > sun > > > moulds famous and competent persons? > > > > > > - Or wanted to avoid Debilitated Mercury in > Pisces?!? since > Mercury > > > is debilitatedusually in Chaitra. > > > This MEANS something! None wants Budha to be in > debility in > > horoscope > > > as it is the planet of > > > intellect and intelligence and commonsense. > > > > > > - Or wanted to avoid Exalted Venus?!? Because > Exalted Venus > moulds > > > famous artists and beautiful ones..? > > > > > > Whatever the vogue was...it was broken all the > time and make sure > > > that Sri Rama was born in chaitra after nine > months > > > which means King Dasharatha and queen Kousalya > werent separated > in > > > Aashaadha!! To be frank, there are so many born > in > > > Chaitra with powerful Sun,venus to become really > famous > > personalities. > > > > > > Whether the belief is superstitious or > astrological, it is BETTER > > > than asking good time for forcibly getting > > > baby out with caesarean techniques..just a new > version of time > > > selection! > > > > > > Hope to hear if anybody else knows anything > related to this > concept. > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , > "venkyuppala" > > <venkyuppala> > > > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > They say that in the month of Ashadh, a newly > wed couple should > > not > > > > live together;so usually the wife lives at her > mothers place > > during > > > > this period of ashadh(june/july). > > > > in some regions,it is held that that the > daughter-in-law and > > mother- > > > > in-law should not live together. > > > > is there any astrological significance?does > anyone know why > this > > > > custom is prevalent?and what are the effects > if it is not > > followed? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your replies! > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dear All, I as wrote earlier too, none can relate and rationalise EVERY belief with scientific thought. Perhaps some friends missed some lines in my last post.My stand is clear - if anybody can relate the customs and beliefs with astro/ any scientific reason, welcome it besides trying to explore too! There is no compulsion to believe my reasoning ONLY! I am equally eager to know if anyone has any other astrological reason, which may be of use to all! 1. Coming to mother-in-law and daughter-in-law problem which our friend is very much concerned about, why should any quarrel take place ONLY in Aashadha and more than that - WHY ONLY THE FIRST YEAR? From next year onwards, even if M-I-L and D-I-L stay together in Aashadha, are you sure there are no quarrels?(To be frank it starts after a year usually - kidding!). 2. I believe, most customs and beliefs we have now have undergone a strange change from generations to generations and may look 'Irrational' or 'Unscientific' NOW ie in 2004 AD, but the same were very much needed where and when they originated. We miss the 'LINK' as to why they came to existence.But we can clearly make out whether they are relevent NOW and throw them away if not needed. If you do not, your next generation will CERTAINLY do it. SO, I dont feel there is anything wrong in trying to reason beliefs and that can not be done by single person! Its a collective effort which can clarify doubts like this. As I feel comfortable with statements like 'history repeats' or 'back to future', reasoning history might change future as well - who knows! I can show you millions of couples leading a happy life without being separated in Ashadha in their first year of marriage and living with family members(OF COURSE M-I-L too) .. even in India! Unless I find any good reason, at least I would stop propagating it to next generation! Lastly for our other friend - Kaalidasa the authour of UttaraKalamrita is believed to be same poet of Ujjain/Dhara by many of the astrologers well versed in Sanskrit, since the poet has extensively used astronomical/astrological points in his works which match the trend of Uttara-Kalamrita. Anyway thats a different subject where historians are still fighting. As they havenot decided time of kalidasa the poet, assumed to be of 1st century BC/AD or even 8th century AD, existence of Abhinava-kalidasa in South India in 16-17 century, whom Dr.PS Shastry speaks of, is still more away from us. yours KAD , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > My contention would be that u cant make scientific > reasoning out of ever belief and rationalize it !! > > I dont think it's saying the same thing in a different > way ... it's widely believed that mil and dil will get > into tussels during this time for the first year of > marriage ... > > I am not sure this was brought about into effect after > a scientific reasoning !! > > > --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > SUB: AASHADHA MAASA and SEPARATION OF COUPLE > > > > >>Well my dear friend .. then why is that said that > > the > > >>mother in law and the daughter in law should not > > cross > > >>the same entrance??? I presume there is also some > > >>scientific reason to that??? > > > > OBVIOUSLY, INTENTION IS SEPARATING COUPLES, SAYING > > IT IN A DIFFERENT > > WAY! AND THERE ARE MANY MANY IMPLIED STYLES > > OF SAYING THINGS WITH HIDDEN MEANING. ALL THOSE > > STUFF CAN NOT BE > > REASONED ALWAYS AND THEY CONTINUE AS A PART OF > > CULTURE! > > BUT REALLY IF SOMEONE CAN RELATE WITH SCIENTIFIC > > LOGIC, I WOULD BE > > HAPPY TO KNOW! > > > > And what Tat-twam-asi says as logical reason for > > 'avoiding any > > Muhurtha in Aashadha' is true BUT it doesnot open up > > the > > logic behind the present question in view - WHY ONLY > > FOR THE FIRST > > TIME COUPLES ARE SEPARATED IN AASHADHA? > > As far as RAINY season and agriculture is concerned, > > it is not at all > > related in this case! Since it starts raining in > > every AASHADHA and couples will not separate each > > year! > > > > Logically - to avoid first labour at summer? > > Astrologically- to avoid > > debility of Mercury, the key planet? is the real > > question! > > > > It would be interesting to know that Sri Rama's > > chart and Ravana's > > chart were alike except for Mercury in Taurus and > > Pisces respectively. > > That makes sense why Mercury must be avoided from > > debility!(Ref. > > Royal Horoscopes - B.SuryanarainRao, grand father of > > BV Raman) > > > > yours > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2004 Report Share Posted August 3, 2004 Dear friend, There is a gap in the way we look at things, and this seems too small a medium to bridge it !! .. I have understood that I cannot put my point across to u in a way in which you can see what I am saying, and there is no way I will be convinced of wanting to rationalie and discard things (we anyhow do the same as per our conveniance to begin with !!) if not convinced ... my contention would be that when there is no real way of tracing the original reason for a belief there is no way of discarding it by rationalizing it our way ... it's to me placing way too much importance to idle thinking without proper research and I dont to it ... There are always customs, either you follow them or discard them ... any third way is self deception to me .... customs beliefs are as valid as you to them .. personally I dont see a reason why pre marital sex should be avoided in the era of condoms ... or why two people should marry to begin with !! (I can give a reasoning that in the olden days when there was no protection against unwanted pregnancies it was deemed that marriage should take place so that the child born is taken care of by the parents .. hence it is no longer necessary in this post modern era !!) .. however in my stand point of view I cannot discard marriage or first ahsada masam ... rational or not !!! I rest my cursor here ... Surya. --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra wrote: > Dear All, > > I as wrote earlier too, none can relate and > rationalise EVERY belief > with scientific thought. > Perhaps some friends missed some lines in my last > post.My stand is > clear - if anybody can relate > the customs and beliefs with astro/ any scientific > reason, welcome it > besides trying to explore too! > There is no compulsion to believe my reasoning ONLY! > I am equally > eager to know if anyone has any other > astrological reason, which may be of use to all! > > 1. Coming to mother-in-law and daughter-in-law > problem which > our friend is very much concerned about, > why should any quarrel take place ONLY in Aashadha > and more > than that - WHY ONLY THE FIRST YEAR? > From next year onwards, even if M-I-L and D-I-L > stay > together in Aashadha, are you sure there are > no quarrels?(To be frank it starts after a year > usually - > kidding!). > > 2. I believe, most customs and beliefs we have now > have > undergone a strange change from generations to > generations and may look 'Irrational' or > 'Unscientific' NOW > ie in 2004 AD, but the same were very much > needed where and when they originated. We miss the > 'LINK' > as to why they came to existence.But we can > clearly make out whether they are relevent NOW and > throw > them away if not needed. If you do not, your > next generation will CERTAINLY do it. > > SO, I dont feel there is anything wrong in trying to > reason beliefs > and that can not be done by single person! > Its a collective effort which can clarify doubts > like this. As I feel > comfortable with statements like > 'history repeats' or 'back to future', reasoning > history might change > future as well - who knows! > > I can show you millions of couples leading a happy > life without being > separated in Ashadha in their first year > of marriage and living with family members(OF COURSE > M-I-L too) .. > even in India! Unless I find any good reason, > at least I would stop propagating it to next > generation! > > Lastly for our other friend - Kaalidasa the authour > of > UttaraKalamrita is believed to be same poet of > Ujjain/Dhara by > many of the astrologers well versed in Sanskrit, > since the poet has > extensively used astronomical/astrological points > in his works which match the trend of > Uttara-Kalamrita. Anyway thats > a different subject where historians are still > fighting. > As they havenot decided time of kalidasa the poet, > assumed to be of > 1st century BC/AD or even 8th century AD, existence > of Abhinava-kalidasa in South India in 16-17 > century, whom Dr.PS > Shastry speaks of, is still more away from us. > > yours > KAD > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > My contention would be that u cant make scientific > > reasoning out of ever belief and rationalize it !! > > > > I dont think it's saying the same thing in a > different > > way ... it's widely believed that mil and dil will > get > > into tussels during this time for the first year > of > > marriage ... > > > > I am not sure this was brought about into effect > after > > a scientific reasoning !! > > > > > > --- hanya_shingyo <kadrudra> wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > SUB: AASHADHA MAASA and SEPARATION OF COUPLE > > > > > > >>Well my dear friend .. then why is that said > that > > > the > > > >>mother in law and the daughter in law should > not > > > cross > > > >>the same entrance??? I presume there is also > some > > > >>scientific reason to that??? > > > > > > OBVIOUSLY, INTENTION IS SEPARATING COUPLES, > SAYING > > > IT IN A DIFFERENT > > > WAY! AND THERE ARE MANY MANY IMPLIED STYLES > > > OF SAYING THINGS WITH HIDDEN MEANING. ALL THOSE > > > STUFF CAN NOT BE > > > REASONED ALWAYS AND THEY CONTINUE AS A PART OF > > > CULTURE! > > > BUT REALLY IF SOMEONE CAN RELATE WITH SCIENTIFIC > > > LOGIC, I WOULD BE > > > HAPPY TO KNOW! > > > > > > And what Tat-twam-asi says as logical reason for > > > 'avoiding any > > > Muhurtha in Aashadha' is true BUT it doesnot > open up > > > the > > > logic behind the present question in view - WHY > ONLY > > > FOR THE FIRST > > > TIME COUPLES ARE SEPARATED IN AASHADHA? > > > As far as RAINY season and agriculture is > concerned, > > > it is not at all > > > related in this case! Since it starts raining in > > > every AASHADHA and couples will not separate > each > > > year! > > > > > > Logically - to avoid first labour at summer? > > > Astrologically- to avoid > > > debility of Mercury, the key planet? is the real > > > question! > > > > > > It would be interesting to know that Sri Rama's > > > chart and Ravana's > > > chart were alike except for Mercury in Taurus > and > > > Pisces respectively. > > > That makes sense why Mercury must be avoided > from > > > debility!(Ref. > > > Royal Horoscopes - B.SuryanarainRao, grand > father of > > > BV Raman) > > > > > > yours > > > KAD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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