Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Dear Friends, Self always is of opinion that a Guru/Books teach you how to use a tool. It is like painting teacher teaching you to paint . It is up to you to paint the same thing again and again like, for example a person drawing only Lord Jagannatha /Shrinathji/Krishna etc .. Or using the same skills with imagination and draw Rasleela etc or creating some other masterpieces like "Last Supper", Monalisa" etc. Self , in these matter , feels like Salvador Dali who created master piece "Melting clock". Dali was a non-conformist and self holds him dear to his heart. What RR and self say is that Study astrology in any manner you like. But stop yourself from being run of the mill astrologer . Explore the unknown with fresher/newer perspectives. Go on a journey to unknown on unchartered routes. You never know where you will end up but the excitement will be un-describable. Tatvam-Asi Inder <indervohra2001 wrote: Dear friends, What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer by merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also. What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for that any other subject?! Inder -- In , surya vishnubhotla wrote: > Hello, > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is > seriously digesting principles every day little by > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !! > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every > journey starts ... at the same time I know my > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I > am just not good enough to take the moral > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their > horoscopes read to the best of our ability??? > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes > and try them out in real life??? > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else?? > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning??? > or will someone take the responsibility of cross > examining the material that I may put across?? > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something > substantial but only after solid foundation on which > to rest it ! > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > Trivedi jee, > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid > > comments about > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others > > who had been > > walking the same path more or less for some time > > now, feel this way! > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that > > matter, about > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on > > astrotreasures, already > > some time ago on that wonderful site > > www.boloji.com/astro one of > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic > > thinking, pretty much > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage! > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to > > my delight == > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more > > like that like > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who > > hasn't yet been > > introduced to potential finality of finality and > > there not ever > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my > > soul simply knows > > that THAT is not the case!! > > > > RR > > > > > > , tatvam asi > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being. > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a > > couple or three > > > serious astrologers are found by self. > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional > > astrologers who > > go by BOOOOOOKS. > > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by > > self , are C&P > > artists with > > > common paragraphs from a well known software. > > > Where does it leave astrology ? > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said. > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you > > are. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan wrote: > > > I will be brutally honest with you: > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of > > members, you will > > > find that: > > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40 > > individuals in a > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less > > regularly! > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and > > nearly > > predicatably > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while, > > but never in > > really > > > great details -- not in a format that most will > > understand, even > > > astrologers! > > > d) many if not most of these are not > > professionals, as in, not > > > charging for the readings or making a living out > > of astrology > > (Thank > > > God!) > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case > > ...! > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for > > themselves and then > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up > > mantras and other > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts > > for free is the > > BEST > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the > > burden of their past > > > bad deeds on their soul!) > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other > > similar > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks > > later and hope they > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other > > words, not really > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just > > fishing and acting- > > > out? > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other > > silent folks -- > > and > > > that represents a significant number for south > > asian-born > > (Indians, > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really > > going to take > > > this? Do we deserve this? > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make > > sure that > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out > > of our heart and > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT > > that respect means > > to > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who > > respond without > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to > > determine! > > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "elite_55" > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > Ramram. > > > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading > > for > > > > me. > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a > > novice and > > trying > > > to > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since > > 1998 and nothing > > > seems > > > > to work. > > > > My data is as fallows: > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep > > 1953. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > > > > > > Rajaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL > > !~ > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Very well-put! , tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > Dear Friends, > Self always is of opinion that a Guru/Books teach you how to use a tool. > It is like painting teacher teaching you to paint . > It is up to you to paint the same thing again and again > like, for example a person drawing only Lord Jagannatha /Shrinathji/Krishna etc . > > Or using the same skills with imagination and draw Rasleela etc or creating some other masterpieces like "Last Supper", Monalisa" etc. > > Self , in these matter , feels like Salvador Dali who created master piece "Melting clock". > Dali was a non-conformist and self holds him dear to his heart. > > What RR and self say is that Study astrology in any manner you like. > But stop yourself from being run of the mill astrologer . Explore the unknown with fresher/newer perspectives. > Go on a journey to unknown on unchartered routes. > You never know where you will end up but the excitement will be un-describable. > > Tatvam-Asi > > Inder <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear friends, > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer by > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also. > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for that > any other subject?! > Inder > > > -- In , surya vishnubhotla > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is > > seriously digesting principles every day little by > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !! > > > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I > > am just not good enough to take the moral > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to > > > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability??? > > > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes > > and try them out in real life??? > > > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else?? > > > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning??? > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross > > examining the material that I may put across?? > > > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which > > to rest it ! > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > > > Trivedi jee, > > > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid > > > comments about > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others > > > who had been > > > walking the same path more or less for some time > > > now, feel this way! > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that > > > matter, about > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on > > > astrotreasures, already > > > some time ago on that wonderful site > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic > > > thinking, pretty much > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage! > > > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to > > > my delight == > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more > > > like that like > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who > > > hasn't yet been > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and > > > there not ever > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my > > > soul simply knows > > > that THAT is not the case!! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , tatvam asi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being. > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a > > > couple or three > > > > serious astrologers are found by self. > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional > > > astrologers who > > > go by BOOOOOOKS. > > > > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by > > > self , are C&P > > > artists with > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software. > > > > Where does it leave astrology ? > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said. > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you > > > are. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan wrote: > > > > I will be brutally honest with you: > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of > > > members, you will > > > > find that: > > > > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40 > > > individuals in a > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less > > > regularly! > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and > > > nearly > > > predicatably > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while, > > > but never in > > > really > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will > > > understand, even > > > > astrologers! > > > > d) many if not most of these are not > > > professionals, as in, not > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out > > > of astrology > > > (Thank > > > > God!) > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case > > > ...! > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for > > > themselves and then > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up > > > mantras and other > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts > > > for free is the > > > BEST > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the > > > burden of their past > > > > bad deeds on their soul!) > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other > > > similar > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks > > > later and hope they > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other > > > words, not really > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just > > > fishing and acting- > > > > out? > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into > > > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other > > > silent folks -- > > > and > > > > that represents a significant number for south > > > asian-born > > > (Indians, > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really > > > going to take > > > > this? Do we deserve this? > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make > > > sure that > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out > > > of our heart and > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT > > > that respect means > > > to > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who > > > respond without > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to > > > determine! > > > > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important! > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > "elite_55" > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > > > Ramram. > > > > > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading > > > for > > > > > me. > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a > > > novice and > > > trying > > > > to > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since > > > 1998 and nothing > > > > seems > > > > > to work. > > > > > My data is as fallows: > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep > > > 1953. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Rajaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL > > > !~ > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2004 Report Share Posted July 28, 2004 Hello all, My name is guruprasad. I am an ardent reader of this group and a rare writer. I want to share some thoughts. I use to wonder how these people have this wonderful knowledge , is it inherited, or learnt from a guru, or a course done , or by reading books, this being difficlut of the sciences ( coz i am learning it only now) . So i bought a book eventhough i read it once a week.(How to read horoscopes? by B.V.Raman). There are a few things i understand and a few things i dont?.... I decided to take a 2nd step . I started borrowing horoscopes ( i tell them i am trying to learn astrology) from colleagues , neighbours who are running thru some difficult times. I collect them and give it to one of my close friend by named chandrasekar who is also a member of this group and well-versed in astrology to analyse it. When he analyses i sit with him i request him to explain the planets positioning coz of that good & bad and parikaras/remedies and if done with extreme faith will definitely reduce the effects and reap fruits in the long run. Now i atleast know planets characteristics and responsible for what actions. I want to convey this can be a method to learn astrology . Someday i dream to become an horoscope reader and will analyse charts like the gurus here and give remedies to all those who are in trouble but i vouch by lord hanuman who still lives in kaliyuga i will not do it for money /profession. My wishes to all those want to learn horoscopy and pranams to all astrologers. Thanks Guruprasad tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om wrote: Dear Friends, Self always is of opinion that a Guru/Books teach you how to use a tool. It is like painting teacher teaching you to paint . It is up to you to paint the same thing again and again like, for example a person drawing only Lord Jagannatha /Shrinathji/Krishna etc .. Or using the same skills with imagination and draw Rasleela etc or creating some other masterpieces like "Last Supper", Monalisa" etc. Self , in these matter , feels like Salvador Dali who created master piece "Melting clock". Dali was a non-conformist and self holds him dear to his heart. What RR and self say is that Study astrology in any manner you like. But stop yourself from being run of the mill astrologer . Explore the unknown with fresher/newer perspectives. Go on a journey to unknown on unchartered routes. You never know where you will end up but the excitement will be un-describable. Tatvam-Asi Inder wrote: Dear friends, What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer by merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also. What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for that any other subject?! Inder -- In , surya vishnubhotla wrote: > Hello, > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is > seriously digesting principles every day little by > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !! > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every > journey starts ... at the same time I know my > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I > am just not good enough to take the moral > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their > horoscopes read to the best of our ability??? > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes > and try them out in real life??? > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else?? > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning??? > or will someone take the responsibility of cross > examining the material that I may put across?? > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something > substantial but only after solid foundation on which > to rest it ! > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > Trivedi jee, > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid > > comments about > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others > > who had been > > walking the same path more or less for some time > > now, feel this way! > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that > > matter, about > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on > > astrotreasures, already > > some time ago on that wonderful site > > www.boloji.com/astro one of > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic > > thinking, pretty much > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage! > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to > > my delight == > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more > > like that like > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who > > hasn't yet been > > introduced to potential finality of finality and > > there not ever > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my > > soul simply knows > > that THAT is not the case!! > > > > RR > > > > > > , tatvam asi > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear RR, > > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being. > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a > > couple or three > > > serious astrologers are found by self. > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional > > astrologers who > > go by BOOOOOOKS. > > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by > > self , are C&P > > artists with > > > common paragraphs from a well known software. > > > Where does it leave astrology ? > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said. > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you > > are. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rohiniranjan wrote: > > > I will be brutally honest with you: > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of > > members, you will > > > find that: > > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40 > > individuals in a > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less > > regularly! > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and > > nearly > > predicatably > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while, > > but never in > > really > > > great details -- not in a format that most will > > understand, even > > > astrologers! > > > d) many if not most of these are not > > professionals, as in, not > > > charging for the readings or making a living out > > of astrology > > (Thank > > > God!) > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case > > ...! > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for > > themselves and then > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up > > mantras and other > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts > > for free is the > > BEST > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the > > burden of their past > > > bad deeds on their soul!) > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other > > similar > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks > > later and hope they > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other > > words, not really > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just > > fishing and acting- > > > out? > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other > > silent folks -- > > and > > > that represents a significant number for south > > asian-born > > (Indians, > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really > > going to take > > > this? Do we deserve this? > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make > > sure that > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out > > of our heart and > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT > > that respect means > > to > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who > > respond without > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to > > determine! > > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > "elite_55" > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Gurus, > > > > > > > > Ramram. > > > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading > > for > > > > me. > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a > > novice and > > trying > > > to > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since > > 1998 and nothing > > > seems > > > > to work. > > > > My data is as fallows: > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep > > 1953. > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards. > > > > > > > > Rajaan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL > > !~ > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out! > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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