(A PLEA from Rohiniranjan on FREE readings)... second your thoughts

July 27, 2004

Dear RR,

No one can agree with you more than this being.

With true spirit of doing real research only a couple or three

serious astrologers are found by self.

Majority , as you said , are serious traditional astrologers who go by

BOOOOOOKS.

Coming to the some groups, it has been found by self , are C&P artists with

common paragraphs from a well known software.

Where does it leave astrology ?

Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you are.

Tatvam-Asi

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

I will be brutally honest with you:

Search this site or any other site with lots of members, you will

find that:

a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40 individuals in a

forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less regularly!

b) only about half of those post consistently and nearly predicatably

c) some of these post readings once in a while, but never in really

great details -- not in a format that most will understand, even

astrologers!

d) many if not most of these are not professionals, as in, not

charging for the readings or making a living out of astrology (Thank

God!)

e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case ...!

= Are they too lazy to learn to fish for themselves and then

for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up mantras and other

amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts for free is the BEST

karmic remedy available to those who feel the burden of their past

bad deeds on their soul!)

= Are they just going to post here and fifty other similar

sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks later and hope they

find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other words, not really

interested in the answer or astrology, but just fishing and acting-

out?

= Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other silent folks -- and

that represents a significant number for south asian-born (Indians,

Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really going to take

this? Do we deserve this?

= We need a better more accountable way to make sure that

readings (and those take time, folks!) given out of our heart and

kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT that respect means to

this collective forum of the 20 individuals who respond without

personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to determine!

Speak up now, if this is important!

RR

, "elite_55"

wrote:

> Dear Gurus,

>

> Ramram.

>

> Please make an effort to make detailed reading for

> me.

> Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a novice and trying

to

> learn. I am going through real hard times since 1998 and nothing

seems

> to work.

> My data is as fallows:

> POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep 1953.

>

> Thanks and Regards.

>

> Rajaan

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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July 27, 2004

Trivedi jee,

I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid comments about

boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others who had been

walking the same path more or less for some time now, feel this way!

I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that matter, about

the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on astrotreasures, already

some time ago on that wonderful site www.boloji.com/astro one of

the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic thinking, pretty much

as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

My frankness, that you have praised before much to my delight ==

coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more like that like

the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who hasn't yet been

introduced to potential finality of finality and there not ever

being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my soul simply knows

that THAT is not the case!!

RR

, tatvam asi

<om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> >

> Dear RR,

>

> No one can agree with you more than this being.

> With true spirit of doing real research only a couple or three

> serious astrologers are found by self.

> Majority , as you said , are serious traditional astrologers who

go by BOOOOOOKS.

>

> Coming to the some groups, it has been found by self , are C&P

artists with

> common paragraphs from a well known software.

> Where does it leave astrology ?

> Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you are.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

>

rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> I will be brutally honest with you:

> Search this site or any other site with lots of members, you will

> find that:

>

> a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40 individuals in a

> forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less regularly!

> b) only about half of those post consistently and nearly

predicatably

> c) some of these post readings once in a while, but never in

really

> great details -- not in a format that most will understand, even

> astrologers!

> d) many if not most of these are not professionals, as in, not

> charging for the readings or making a living out of astrology

(Thank

> God!)

> e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case ...!

> = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for themselves and then

> for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up mantras and other

> amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts for free is the

BEST

> karmic remedy available to those who feel the burden of their past

> bad deeds on their soul!)

> = Are they just going to post here and fifty other similar

> sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks later and hope they

> find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other words, not really

> interested in the answer or astrology, but just fishing and acting-

> out?

> = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other silent folks --

and

> that represents a significant number for south asian-born

(Indians,

> Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really going to take

> this? Do we deserve this?

> = We need a better more accountable way to make sure that

> readings (and those take time, folks!) given out of our heart and

> kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT that respect means

to

> this collective forum of the 20 individuals who respond without

> personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to determine!

>

> Speak up now, if this is important!

>

> RR

, "elite_55"

> wrote:

> > Dear Gurus,

> >

> > Ramram.

> >

> > Please make an effort to make detailed reading for

> > me.

> > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a novice and

trying

> to

> > learn. I am going through real hard times since 1998 and nothing

> seems

> > to work.

> > My data is as fallows:

> > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep 1953.

> >

> > Thanks and Regards.

> >

> > Rajaan

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> Links

>

> New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

>

July 28, 2004

Hello,

I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

seriously digesting principles every day little by

little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

Simply because, I believe that that's how every

journey starts ... at the same time I know my

limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

am just not good enough to take the moral

responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

and try them out in real life???

Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

or will someone take the responsibility of cross

examining the material that I may put across??

Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

substantial but only after solid foundation on which

to rest it !

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Trivedi jee,

>

> I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> comments about

> boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> who had been

> walking the same path more or less for some time

> now, feel this way!

> I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> matter, about

> the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> astrotreasures, already

> some time ago on that wonderful site

> www.boloji.com/astro one of

> the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> thinking, pretty much

> as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

>

> My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> my delight ==

> coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> like that like

> the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> hasn't yet been

> introduced to potential finality of finality and

> there not ever

> being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> soul simply knows

> that THAT is not the case!!

>

> RR

>

> , tatvam asi

> <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > >

> > Dear RR,

> >

> > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> couple or three

> > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> astrologers who

> go by BOOOOOOKS.

> >

> > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> self , are C&P

> artists with

> > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> are.

> >

> > Tatvam-Asi

> >

> > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> members, you will

> > find that:

> >

> > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> individuals in a

> > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> regularly!

> > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> nearly

> predicatably

> > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> but never in

> really

> > great details -- not in a format that most will

> understand, even

> > astrologers!

> > d) many if not most of these are not

> professionals, as in, not

> > charging for the readings or making a living out

> of astrology

> (Thank

> > God!)

> > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> ...!

> > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> themselves and then

> > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> mantras and other

> > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> for free is the

> BEST

> > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> burden of their past

> > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> similar

> > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> later and hope they

> > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> words, not really

> > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> fishing and acting-

> > out?

> > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

>

> > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> silent folks --

> and

> > that represents a significant number for south

> asian-born

> (Indians,

> > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> going to take

> > this? Do we deserve this?

> > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> sure that

> > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> of our heart and

> > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> that respect means

> to

> > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> respond without

> > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> determine!

> >

> > Speak up now, if this is important!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > ,

> "elite_55"

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Gurus,

> > >

> > > Ramram.

> > >

> > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> for

> > > me.

> > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> novice and

> trying

> > to

> > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> 1998 and nothing

> > seems

> > > to work.

> > > My data is as fallows:

> > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> 1953.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards.

> > >

> > > Rajaan

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> !~

> > Links

> >

> > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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July 28, 2004

Dear friends,

What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer by

merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also.

What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for that

any other subject?!

Inder

-- In , surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> seriously digesting principles every day little by

> little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

>

> Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> am just not good enough to take the moral

> responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

>

> Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

>

> Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> and try them out in real life???

>

> Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

>

> Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> examining the material that I may put across??

>

> Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> to rest it !

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

>

> > Trivedi jee,

> >

> > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > comments about

> > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > who had been

> > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > now, feel this way!

> > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > matter, about

> > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > astrotreasures, already

> > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > thinking, pretty much

> > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> >

> > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > my delight ==

> > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > like that like

> > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > hasn't yet been

> > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > there not ever

> > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > soul simply knows

> > that THAT is not the case!!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , tatvam asi

> > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > >

> > > Dear RR,

> > >

> > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > couple or three

> > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > astrologers who

> > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > >

> > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > self , are C&P

> > artists with

> > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > are.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > members, you will

> > > find that:

> > >

> > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > individuals in a

> > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > regularly!

> > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > nearly

> > predicatably

> > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > but never in

> > really

> > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > understand, even

> > > astrologers!

> > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > professionals, as in, not

> > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > of astrology

> > (Thank

> > > God!)

> > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > ...!

> > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > themselves and then

> > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > mantras and other

> > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > for free is the

> > BEST

> > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > burden of their past

> > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > similar

> > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > later and hope they

> > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > words, not really

> > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > fishing and acting-

> > > out?

> > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> >

> > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > silent folks --

> > and

> > > that represents a significant number for south

> > asian-born

> > (Indians,

> > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > going to take

> > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > sure that

> > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > of our heart and

> > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > that respect means

> > to

> > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > respond without

> > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > determine!

> > >

> > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > ,

> > "elite_55"

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > >

> > > > Ramram.

> > > >

> > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > for

> > > > me.

> > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > novice and

> > trying

> > > to

> > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > 1998 and nothing

> > > seems

> > > > to work.

> > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > 1953.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > >

> > > > Rajaan

> > >

> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > !~

> > > Links

> > >

> > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

>

> Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

>

July 28, 2004

Interest, some intuition and a lot of reading helps. But hesitation

to ask (for the new learners) is always a hurdle. And why does this

happen? I have seen in these groups, most of the people are

interested to get a reading of their OWN chart (very rarely it is

for learning purpose) and those who want to learn are not replied

properly for their apparently silly questions.

Here comes my question...silly one may be...

Can anyone give me a book name or site(preferred for obvious

reasons) or any source where I can get

some information on nakshatra, planets related to every nakshatra

etc.

--Manoshi

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer

by

> merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also.

> What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for

that

> any other subject?!

> Inder

>

> -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> >

> > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> >

> > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> >

> > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > and try them out in real life???

> >

> > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> >

> > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > examining the material that I may put across??

> >

> > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > to rest it !

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >

> > > Trivedi jee,

> > >

> > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > comments about

> > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > who had been

> > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > now, feel this way!

> > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > matter, about

> > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > astrotreasures, already

> > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > thinking, pretty much

> > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > >

> > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > my delight ==

> > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > like that like

> > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > hasn't yet been

> > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > there not ever

> > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > soul simply knows

> > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , tatvam asi

> > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > Dear RR,

> > > >

> > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > couple or three

> > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > astrologers who

> > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > >

> > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > self , are C&P

> > > artists with

> > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > are.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > members, you will

> > > > find that:

> > > >

> > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > individuals in a

> > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > regularly!

> > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > nearly

> > > predicatably

> > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > but never in

> > > really

> > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > understand, even

> > > > astrologers!

> > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > of astrology

> > > (Thank

> > > > God!)

> > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > ...!

> > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > themselves and then

> > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > mantras and other

> > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > for free is the

> > > BEST

> > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > burden of their past

> > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > similar

> > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > later and hope they

> > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > words, not really

> > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > fishing and acting-

> > > > out?

> > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > >

> > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > silent folks --

> > > and

> > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > asian-born

> > > (Indians,

> > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > going to take

> > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > sure that

> > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > of our heart and

> > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > that respect means

> > > to

> > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > respond without

> > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > determine!

> > > >

> > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > "elite_55"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramram.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > for

> > > > > me.

> > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > novice and

> > > trying

> > > > to

> > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > seems

> > > > > to work.

> > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > 1953.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rajaan

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > !~

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> >

July 28, 2004

Ever wonder why the indications given for lagnas and planets in

rashis/bhavas in different texts vary from each other (same planet,

same rashi, etc) and if they really show up in nativities, as

indicated in 'books', in sufficient number of charts? Why is this so?

RR

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Interest, some intuition and a lot of reading helps. But

hesitation

> to ask (for the new learners) is always a hurdle. And why does

this

> happen? I have seen in these groups, most of the people are

> interested to get a reading of their OWN chart (very rarely it is

> for learning purpose) and those who want to learn are not replied

> properly for their apparently silly questions.

> Here comes my question...silly one may be...

> Can anyone give me a book name or site(preferred for obvious

> reasons) or any source where I can get

> some information on nakshatra, planets related to every nakshatra

> etc.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> --Manoshi

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer

> by

> > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology

also.

> > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for

> that

> > any other subject?!

> > Inder

> >

> > -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> > >

> > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> > >

> > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> > >

> > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > > and try them out in real life???

> > >

> > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> > >

> > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > > examining the material that I may put across??

> > >

> > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > > to rest it !

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Trivedi jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > > comments about

> > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > > who had been

> > > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > > now, feel this way!

> > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > > matter, about

> > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > > astrotreasures, already

> > > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > > thinking, pretty much

> > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > > >

> > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > > my delight ==

> > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > > like that like

> > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > > hasn't yet been

> > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > > there not ever

> > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > > soul simply knows

> > > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , tatvam asi

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > Dear RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > > couple or three

> > > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > > astrologers who

> > > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > > self , are C&P

> > > > artists with

> > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > > are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > > members, you will

> > > > > find that:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > > individuals in a

> > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > > regularly!

> > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > > nearly

> > > > predicatably

> > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > > but never in

> > > > really

> > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > > understand, even

> > > > > astrologers!

> > > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > > of astrology

> > > > (Thank

> > > > > God!)

> > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > > ...!

> > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > > themselves and then

> > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > > mantras and other

> > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > > for free is the

> > > > BEST

> > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > > burden of their past

> > > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > > similar

> > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > > later and hope they

> > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > > words, not really

> > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > > fishing and acting-

> > > > > out?

> > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > > >

> > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > > silent folks --

> > > > and

> > > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > > asian-born

> > > > (Indians,

> > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > > going to take

> > > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > > sure that

> > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > > of our heart and

> > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > > that respect means

> > > > to

> > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > > respond without

> > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > > determine!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > "elite_55"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > > for

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > > novice and

> > > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > to work.

> > > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > > 1953.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rajaan

> > > > >

> > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > > !~

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> > >

July 28, 2004

I know what you mean to say. I fully agree that looking at variuos

charts and trying to relate/compare them is the best way to learn

astrology. But what should one do to know the basics? I am asking a

very basic question about nakshtras. where is the answer?

--Manoshi

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Ever wonder why the indications given for lagnas and planets in

> rashis/bhavas in different texts vary from each other (same

planet,

> same rashi, etc) and if they really show up in nativities, as

> indicated in 'books', in sufficient number of charts? Why is this

so?

>

> RR

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Interest, some intuition and a lot of reading helps. But

> hesitation

> > to ask (for the new learners) is always a hurdle. And why does

> this

> > happen? I have seen in these groups, most of the people are

> > interested to get a reading of their OWN chart (very rarely it

is

> > for learning purpose) and those who want to learn are not

replied

> > properly for their apparently silly questions.

> > Here comes my question...silly one may be...

> > Can anyone give me a book name or site(preferred for obvious

> > reasons) or any source where I can get

> > some information on nakshatra, planets related to every

nakshatra

> > etc.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > --Manoshi

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a

astrologer

> > by

> > > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology

> also.

> > > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for

> > that

> > > any other subject?!

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Hello,

> > > >

> > > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > > > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> > > >

> > > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > > > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> > > >

> > > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> > > >

> > > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > > > and try them out in real life???

> > > >

> > > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> > > >

> > > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > > > examining the material that I may put across??

> > > >

> > > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > > > to rest it !

> > > >

> > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Trivedi jee,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > > > comments about

> > > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > > > who had been

> > > > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > > > now, feel this way!

> > > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > > > matter, about

> > > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > > > astrotreasures, already

> > > > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > > > thinking, pretty much

> > > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > > > >

> > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > > > my delight ==

> > > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > > > like that like

> > > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > > > hasn't yet been

> > > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > > > there not ever

> > > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > > > soul simply knows

> > > > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , tatvam asi

> > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear RR,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > > > couple or three

> > > > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > > > astrologers who

> > > > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > > > self , are C&P

> > > > > artists with

> > > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > > > are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > > > members, you will

> > > > > > find that:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > > > individuals in a

> > > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > > > regularly!

> > > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > > > nearly

> > > > > predicatably

> > > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > > > but never in

> > > > > really

> > > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > > > understand, even

> > > > > > astrologers!

> > > > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > > > of astrology

> > > > > (Thank

> > > > > > God!)

> > > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > > > ...!

> > > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > > > themselves and then

> > > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > > > mantras and other

> > > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > > > for free is the

> > > > > BEST

> > > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > > > burden of their past

> > > > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > > > similar

> > > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > > > later and hope they

> > > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > > > words, not really

> > > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > > > fishing and acting-

> > > > > > out?

> > > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > > > >

> > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > > > silent folks --

> > > > > and

> > > > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > > > asian-born

> > > > > (Indians,

> > > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > > > going to take

> > > > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > > > sure that

> > > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > > > of our heart and

> > > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > > > that respect means

> > > > > to

> > > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > > > respond without

> > > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > > > determine!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > > > > "elite_55"

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Ramram.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > > > novice and

> > > > > trying

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > to work.

> > > > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > > > 1953.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rajaan

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > > > !~

> > > > > > Links

> > > > > >

> > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > removed]

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> > > >

July 28, 2004

Satya jatakam is a good starting place for nakshatras. Bepin Behari

has written a couple of books. His fundamentals of vedic jyotish is

a good way to start. The use of nakshatras in a very practical, down-

to-earth sense is outlined in Krishnamurthi paddhati. Long ago, I

had read a very small book in hindi named Nakshatra Deepika. That

was quite good and discussed the concept of sukshma and sthula rashi

and bhava. Gopalkrishna Rao 'Meena' also wrote on nakshatra, some of

which reappears in KP. Many of these may be out of print.

I have already mentioned Rattan Lal's booklet in an earlier message

which gives some very interesting take into nakshatras.

As you read more and more books, you will find that most do not

provide a critical analysis or weighting. One gets the impression

that all qualities, all attributes, all combinations are more or

less effective. Why such a style was followed is not known to me. It

can be quite frustrating to a beginner.

Adopt the outlook of an empirical explorer, Manoshi. Sure you need

the building blocks and keywords for starters, but thereafter, use

the building blocks and see how any chart (of high quality data)

fits the 'reality'. Many astrologers, unfortunately, do the reverse -

- they try to make the nativity fit the chart, based on their

perspective which is always limited. Should be the other way round,

no?

RR

, "Manoshi Chatterjee"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> I know what you mean to say. I fully agree that looking at variuos

> charts and trying to relate/compare them is the best way to learn

> astrology. But what should one do to know the basics? I am asking

a

> very basic question about nakshtras. where is the answer?

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Ever wonder why the indications given for lagnas and planets in

> > rashis/bhavas in different texts vary from each other (same

> planet,

> > same rashi, etc) and if they really show up in nativities, as

> > indicated in 'books', in sufficient number of charts? Why is

this

> so?

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Interest, some intuition and a lot of reading helps. But

> > hesitation

> > > to ask (for the new learners) is always a hurdle. And why does

> > this

> > > happen? I have seen in these groups, most of the people are

> > > interested to get a reading of their OWN chart (very rarely it

> is

> > > for learning purpose) and those who want to learn are not

> replied

> > > properly for their apparently silly questions.

> > > Here comes my question...silly one may be...

> > > Can anyone give me a book name or site(preferred for obvious

> > > reasons) or any source where I can get

> > > some information on nakshatra, planets related to every

> nakshatra

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a

> astrologer

> > > by

> > > > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet

astrology

> > also.

> > > > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or

for

> > > that

> > > > any other subject?!

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Hello,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > > > > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > > > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> > > > >

> > > > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > > > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > > > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > > > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > > > > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > > > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > > > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > > > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> > > > >

> > > > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > > > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > > > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> > > > >

> > > > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > > > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > > > > and try them out in real life???

> > > > >

> > > > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> > > > >

> > > > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > > > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > > > > examining the material that I may put across??

> > > > >

> > > > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > > > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > > > > to rest it !

> > > > >

> > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Trivedi jee,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > > > > comments about

> > > > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > > > > who had been

> > > > > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > > > > now, feel this way!

> > > > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > > > > matter, about

> > > > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > > > > astrotreasures, already

> > > > > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > > > > thinking, pretty much

> > > > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > > > > my delight ==

> > > > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > > > > like that like

> > > > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > > > > hasn't yet been

> > > > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > > > > there not ever

> > > > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > > > > soul simply knows

> > > > > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , tatvam asi

> > > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear RR,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > > > > couple or three

> > > > > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > > > > astrologers who

> > > > > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > > > > self , are C&P

> > > > > > artists with

> > > > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > > > > are.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > > > > members, you will

> > > > > > > find that:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > > > > individuals in a

> > > > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > > > > regularly!

> > > > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > > > > nearly

> > > > > > predicatably

> > > > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > > > > but never in

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > > > > understand, even

> > > > > > > astrologers!

> > > > > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > > > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > > > > of astrology

> > > > > > (Thank

> > > > > > > God!)

> > > > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > > > > ...!

> > > > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > > > > themselves and then

> > > > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > > > > mantras and other

> > > > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > > > > for free is the

> > > > > > BEST

> > > > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > > > > burden of their past

> > > > > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > > > > later and hope they

> > > > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > > > > words, not really

> > > > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > > > > fishing and acting-

> > > > > > > out?

> > > > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > > > > silent folks --

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > > > > asian-born

> > > > > > (Indians,

> > > > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > > > > going to take

> > > > > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > > > > sure that

> > > > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > > > > of our heart and

> > > > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > > > > that respect means

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > > > > respond without

> > > > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > > > > determine!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > "elite_55"

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Ramram.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > > > > novice and

> > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > > > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > to work.

> > > > > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > > > > 1953.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rajaan

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > > > > !~

> > > > > > > Links

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > > > removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> > > > >

July 28, 2004

BOOKS ARTICLES

Books plus charts

Charts plus internet discussion or study groups plus lot of self

study with charts

books plus CHARTS plus FOLLOW-UP of real charts/nativities

All of the above PLUS teaching others (this is where real learning

begins!)

RR

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer

by

> merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also.

> What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for

that

> any other subject?!

> Inder

>

> -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> >

> > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> >

> > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> >

> > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > and try them out in real life???

> >

> > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> >

> > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > examining the material that I may put across??

> >

> > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > to rest it !

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> >

> > > Trivedi jee,

> > >

> > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > comments about

> > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > who had been

> > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > now, feel this way!

> > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > matter, about

> > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > astrotreasures, already

> > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > thinking, pretty much

> > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > >

> > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > my delight ==

> > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > like that like

> > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > hasn't yet been

> > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > there not ever

> > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > soul simply knows

> > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , tatvam asi

> > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > Dear RR,

> > > >

> > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > couple or three

> > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > astrologers who

> > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > >

> > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > self , are C&P

> > > artists with

> > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > are.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > members, you will

> > > > find that:

> > > >

> > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > individuals in a

> > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > regularly!

> > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > nearly

> > > predicatably

> > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > but never in

> > > really

> > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > understand, even

> > > > astrologers!

> > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > of astrology

> > > (Thank

> > > > God!)

> > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > ...!

> > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > themselves and then

> > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > mantras and other

> > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > for free is the

> > > BEST

> > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > burden of their past

> > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > similar

> > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > later and hope they

> > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > words, not really

> > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > fishing and acting-

> > > > out?

> > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > >

> > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > silent folks --

> > > and

> > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > asian-born

> > > (Indians,

> > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > going to take

> > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > sure that

> > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > of our heart and

> > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > that respect means

> > > to

> > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > respond without

> > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > determine!

> > > >

> > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > "elite_55"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > >

> > > > > Ramram.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > for

> > > > > me.

> > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > novice and

> > > trying

> > > > to

> > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > seems

> > > > > to work.

> > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > 1953.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rajaan

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > !~

> > > > Links

> > > >

> > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> >

> > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> >

July 28, 2004

Thank you very much, RR Kaku.

--Manoshi

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Satya jatakam is a good starting place for nakshatras. Bepin

Behari

> has written a couple of books. His fundamentals of vedic jyotish

is

> a good way to start. The use of nakshatras in a very practical,

down-

> to-earth sense is outlined in Krishnamurthi paddhati. Long ago, I

> had read a very small book in hindi named Nakshatra Deepika. That

> was quite good and discussed the concept of sukshma and sthula

rashi

> and bhava. Gopalkrishna Rao 'Meena' also wrote on nakshatra, some

of

> which reappears in KP. Many of these may be out of print.

>

> I have already mentioned Rattan Lal's booklet in an earlier

message

> which gives some very interesting take into nakshatras.

>

> As you read more and more books, you will find that most do not

> provide a critical analysis or weighting. One gets the impression

> that all qualities, all attributes, all combinations are more or

> less effective. Why such a style was followed is not known to me.

It

> can be quite frustrating to a beginner.

>

> Adopt the outlook of an empirical explorer, Manoshi. Sure you need

> the building blocks and keywords for starters, but thereafter, use

> the building blocks and see how any chart (of high quality data)

> fits the 'reality'. Many astrologers, unfortunately, do the

reverse -

> - they try to make the nativity fit the chart, based on their

> perspective which is always limited. Should be the other way

round,

> no?

>

> RR

>

> , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > I know what you mean to say. I fully agree that looking at

variuos

> > charts and trying to relate/compare them is the best way to

learn

> > astrology. But what should one do to know the basics? I am

asking

> a

> > very basic question about nakshtras. where is the answer?

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Ever wonder why the indications given for lagnas and planets

in

> > > rashis/bhavas in different texts vary from each other (same

> > planet,

> > > same rashi, etc) and if they really show up in nativities, as

> > > indicated in 'books', in sufficient number of charts? Why is

> this

> > so?

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi Chatterjee"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Interest, some intuition and a lot of reading helps. But

> > > hesitation

> > > > to ask (for the new learners) is always a hurdle. And why

does

> > > this

> > > > happen? I have seen in these groups, most of the people are

> > > > interested to get a reading of their OWN chart (very rarely

it

> > is

> > > > for learning purpose) and those who want to learn are not

> > replied

> > > > properly for their apparently silly questions.

> > > > Here comes my question...silly one may be...

> > > > Can anyone give me a book name or site(preferred for obvious

> > > > reasons) or any source where I can get

> > > > some information on nakshatra, planets related to every

> > nakshatra

> > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > > , "Inder"

> > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a

> > astrologer

> > > > by

> > > > > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet

> astrology

> > > also.

> > > > > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or

> for

> > > > that

> > > > > any other subject?!

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > > > > > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > > > > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > > > > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > > > > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > > > > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > > > > > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > > > > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > > > > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > > > > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > > > > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > > > > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > > > > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > > > > > and try them out in real life???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > > > > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > > > > > examining the material that I may put across??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > > > > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > > > > > to rest it !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Trivedi jee,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > > > > > comments about

> > > > > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > > > > > who had been

> > > > > > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > > > > > now, feel this way!

> > > > > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > > > > > matter, about

> > > > > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > > > > > astrotreasures, already

> > > > > > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > > > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > > > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > > > > > thinking, pretty much

> > > > > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > > > > > my delight ==

> > > > > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > > > > > like that like

> > > > > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > > > > > hasn't yet been

> > > > > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > > > > > there not ever

> > > > > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > > > > > soul simply knows

> > > > > > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , tatvam asi

> > > > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear RR,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > > > > > couple or three

> > > > > > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > > > > > astrologers who

> > > > > > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > > > > > self , are C&P

> > > > > > > artists with

> > > > > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > > > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > > > > > are.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > > > > > members, you will

> > > > > > > > find that:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > > > > > individuals in a

> > > > > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > > > > > regularly!

> > > > > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > > > > > nearly

> > > > > > > predicatably

> > > > > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > > > > > but never in

> > > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > > > > > understand, even

> > > > > > > > astrologers!

> > > > > > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > > > > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > > > > > of astrology

> > > > > > > (Thank

> > > > > > > > God!)

> > > > > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > > > > > ...!

> > > > > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > > > > > themselves and then

> > > > > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > > > > > mantras and other

> > > > > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > > > > > for free is the

> > > > > > > BEST

> > > > > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > > > > > burden of their past

> > > > > > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > > > > > similar

> > > > > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > > > > > later and hope they

> > > > > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > > > > > words, not really

> > > > > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > > > > > fishing and acting-

> > > > > > > > out?

> > > > > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > > > > > silent folks --

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > > > > > asian-born

> > > > > > > (Indians,

> > > > > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > > > > > going to take

> > > > > > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > > > > > sure that

> > > > > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > > > > > of our heart and

> > > > > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > > > > > that respect means

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > > > > > respond without

> > > > > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > > > > > determine!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > "elite_55"

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ramram.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > me.

> > > > > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > > > > > novice and

> > > > > > > trying

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > > > > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > > > > > seems

> > > > > > > > > to work.

> > > > > > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > > > > > 1953.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rajaan

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > > > > > !~

> > > > > > > > Links

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> > > > > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

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July 29, 2004

This is absolutely correct that merely reading books does not fully

qualify one. In my humble two bits one must read some 30/40 charts

with as much details as possible (not just "10 major events") and

then he must explain all the events astrologically, or at least 90%

of them, then he will understand from his own how planets are

working, and of course then he will develop his own, personal

understandings and way outs. (First he would have to complete his own

chart to PD details and also the charts of his relatives, friends

etc.) But even before this he would have to have some primary

knowledge of astrology, so that he can 'explain' those, as I said. He

later would also have to learn and learn to apply different 'second

level' techniques like different dasha systems (at least two more

than Vimsottari) and also other techniques like Arudha Padas etc etc

and see and learn how they works.

Tanvir.

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer by

> merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology also.

> What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for that

> any other subject?!

> Inder

>

July 29, 2004

Yes dear Rohiniji you are right.

Also different people have different mental makeup and calibre,and

adopt different approaches to learning.

Some are comfortable with books and some would like tutorial from a

teacher or some may plunge into real practice without much learning

like some big artists.

I have learnt mostly from books-[ boookish knowledge..]

But as astrology concerns mostly on general day to day problems, one

gets so called practical experience.

So no worry for Surya Vishnubotia !

Inder

- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> BOOKS ARTICLES

> Books plus charts

> Charts plus internet discussion or study groups plus lot of self

> study with charts

> books plus CHARTS plus FOLLOW-UP of real charts/nativities

> All of the above PLUS teaching others (this is where real learning

> begins!)

>

> RR

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> > What are we trying to say that it is not good to be a astrologer

> by

> > merely reading books. And some make fun of internet astrology

also.

> > What is the most authentic method of studying astrology or for

> that

> > any other subject?!

> > Inder

> >

> > -- In , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am one of the book bread astrologers who is

> > > seriously digesting principles every day little by

> > > little .. and somehow I am not ashamed of being so !!

> > >

> > > Simply because, I believe that that's how every

> > > journey starts ... at the same time I know my

> > > limitations and within those I can dare to speak up

> > > and I am wary of giving predictions simply because I

> > > am just not good enough to take the moral

> > > responsibility of giving a pseudo prediction to

> > > someone who is eagerly looking for inputs into their

> > > lives !!! ... there is so much I want to

> > >

> > > Do we have some way of this?? Is there a way we can

> > > coordinate oursleves in helping people who want their

> > > horoscopes read to the best of our ability???

> > >

> > > Would it be a good idea to work towards the common

> > > goal of exchanging views on how we look at horoscopes

> > > and try them out in real life???

> > >

> > > Tanvir's preiodical quizzes are good but what else??

> > >

> > > Can someone start the initiative of self learning???

> > > or will someone take the responsibility of cross

> > > examining the material that I may put across??

> > >

> > > Please let me know ... I am willing to do something

> > > substantial but only after solid foundation on which

> > > to rest it !

> > >

> > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Trivedi jee,

> > > >

> > > > I am glad to hear that and welcome your candid

> > > > comments about

> > > > boooooks! It feels good to hear that a few others

> > > > who had been

> > > > walking the same path more or less for some time

> > > > now, feel this way!

> > > > I have recorded my impressions and thoughts on that

> > > > matter, about

> > > > the BIG BOOKs on jyotish in my article on

> > > > astrotreasures, already

> > > > some time ago on that wonderful site

> > > > www.boloji.com/astro one of

> > > > the few sites that tolerates my idiosyncratic

> > > > thinking, pretty much

> > > > as this site does, despite its traditional visage!

> > > >

> > > > My frankness, that you have praised before much to

> > > > my delight ==

> > > > coming from someone of your web-stature ==, is more

> > > > like that like

> > > > the nsive, optimistic enthusiasm of a toddler, who

> > > > hasn't yet been

> > > > introduced to potential finality of finality and

> > > > there not ever

> > > > being a second chance == EVER! Every fiber in my

> > > > soul simply knows

> > > > that THAT is not the case!!

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , tatvam asi

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > Dear RR,

> > > > >

> > > > > No one can agree with you more than this being.

> > > > > With true spirit of doing real research only a

> > > > couple or three

> > > > > serious astrologers are found by self.

> > > > > Majority , as you said , are serious traditional

> > > > astrologers who

> > > > go by BOOOOOOKS.

> > > > >

> > > > > Coming to the some groups, it has been found by

> > > > self , are C&P

> > > > artists with

> > > > > common paragraphs from a well known software.

> > > > > Where does it leave astrology ?

> > > > > Deplorable is the only word that can be said.

> > > > > Wish this being can be so brutally frank as you

> > > > are.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > > > I will be brutally honest with you:

> > > > > Search this site or any other site with lots of

> > > > members, you will

> > > > > find that:

> > > > >

> > > > > a) there are only about 0.5 to 2% members (10-40

> > > > individuals in a

> > > > > forum that has 2000 members) who post more or less

> > > > regularly!

> > > > > b) only about half of those post consistently and

> > > > nearly

> > > > predicatably

> > > > > c) some of these post readings once in a while,

> > > > but never in

> > > > really

> > > > > great details -- not in a format that most will

> > > > understand, even

> > > > > astrologers!

> > > > > d) many if not most of these are not

> > > > professionals, as in, not

> > > > > charging for the readings or making a living out

> > > > of astrology

> > > > (Thank

> > > > > God!)

> > > > > e) yet, individuals keep posting, just in case

> > > > ...!

> > > > > = Are they too lazy to learn to fish for

> > > > themselves and then

> > > > > for others? (More than gemstones, screwed up

> > > > mantras and other

> > > > > amateurishly done tantric stuff, reading charts

> > > > for free is the

> > > > BEST

> > > > > karmic remedy available to those who feel the

> > > > burden of their past

> > > > > bad deeds on their soul!)

> > > > > = Are they just going to post here and fifty other

> > > > similar

> > > > > sites elsewhere and leave and come back weeks

> > > > later and hope they

> > > > > find an answer? And then throw a fit? In other

> > > > words, not really

> > > > > interested in the answer or astrology, but just

> > > > fishing and acting-

> > > > > out?

> > > > > = Are we -- the relatively few who are really into

> > > >

> > > > > Jyotish/astrology (NOT the remaining 1947 other

> > > > silent folks --

> > > > and

> > > > > that represents a significant number for south

> > > > asian-born

> > > > (Indians,

> > > > > Pakistanis, Bangladeshis amongst us) souls really

> > > > going to take

> > > > > this? Do we deserve this?

> > > > > = We need a better more accountable way to make

> > > > sure that

> > > > > readings (and those take time, folks!) given out

> > > > of our heart and

> > > > > kindness are treated with respect! HOW or WHAT

> > > > that respect means

> > > > to

> > > > > this collective forum of the 20 individuals who

> > > > respond without

> > > > > personal agendas and egos is for THEM/US to

> > > > determine!

> > > > >

> > > > > Speak up now, if this is important!

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > "elite_55"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Gurus,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ramram.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please make an effort to make detailed reading

> > > > for

> > > > > > me.

> > > > > > Can u please reason for ur prediction as I am a

> > > > novice and

> > > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > learn. I am going through real hard times since

> > > > 1998 and nothing

> > > > > seems

> > > > > > to work.

> > > > > > My data is as fallows:

> > > > > > POB : Ambala Cantt. TOB: 00:07 DOB: 21st Sep

> > > > 1953.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks and Regards.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rajaan

> > > > >

> > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL

> > > > !~

> > > > > Links

> > > > >

> > > > > New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages!

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > > Mail is new and improved - Check it out!

> > >

(A PLEA from Rohiniranjan on FREE readings)... second your thoughts

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