Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Dear Rashmi, A correction for you,it should be Rohini Sir not madam. Gaurav , rashmi kaushik <rashmikaushik1> wrote: > Revered Gurus, > i saw that the questions were answered using my birth chart. it has made me curious. many astrologers told me i have rajayoga , hamsa yoga and vipareetha raja yoga and some neechabhanga raja yogaetc etc. and that my chart is very good. why inspite of so many yogas i am suffering from major health problems?? why am i failing ?? why so many major surgeries?? only bcos of weak mercury can all yogas get cancelled. i love astrology and used to read B V Raman books. but my life has become a question mark. Rohini madam , i request you to see my chart and tell whether my health problems will be solved and whether i will have more children. i have a son . > does my future look good or are all yogas cancelled ?? > > DATE : APRIL 16 1975 > TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS > PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA > > thankfully > rashmi > > Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > Here s my effort to answer the questions of Rohini ji, others are > welcome to share there opinion. They are at will with reason to > differ from mine. > > Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any rashi > being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.? > > The basis for the most advanced planet in any rashi being the > atmakarka can be referred to sloka BPHS 34.3-8 of BPHS which states > that while calculating the order of karakas the planet with the > highest degrees, minutes and seconds (irrespective of the occupied > sign) will become the Atmakaraka. Also the reference can be found in > Jamaini`s system of Chara karakas. The reason why the AtmaKaraka is > associated with the most advanced planet can be seen from the meaning > of the word AtmaKaraka, Atma meaning 'soul' or in other words self > and Karaka meaning 'significator'. Hence the inner meaning is > conveyed by the word is 'Self-indicator'. Perhaps once we talk about > ultimate goal of Atma, it is indeed the Atma merging with the highest > Atma called the ParamAtma as mentioned in Bhagwad Gita. The highest > degree conferred by a planet is an indicator that it has tread the > path more than anyone else hence the most advanced planet is > associated with AK. > > AK indicates the force of the soul to achieve a certain goal and the > goal of all Atma`s is to reach the final destination. > > Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize > with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par > excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary > depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.? > > Example Case > DATE : APRIL 16 1975 > TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS > PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA > > AK- Budh(in debilitation) placed in 7 house with the lord of 7. The > house is also a seat for Hora Lagna for the chart. Also getting a > direct aspect from Sani in 10 house which also happens to be Arudha > Lagna. > > Often AK is called the King of Horoscope hence it is evident > yogakarakattwa would vary if it is AK compared with being a > gnatikaraka. Here one more thing that is seen is that the > fructification of any yogas or yogakarakattwa will occur only in the > specific time frame of its Dashas, ADs or PDs. Also the position of > placement in the chart or the Shadbala value of the AK also plays an > important role. > > In the case the AK Budh(in debilitation) gave really bad results for > health during Guru MahaDasha and Budha AD inspite of the fact that > Guru is Swagrahi in Kendra and forming a yoga(Hamsa yoga). The AK in > this case has not let the yoga function properly in its own Dasha > hence it is evident that neither the raja-yogas (combinations > conferring power and wealth), nor the pravrajya-yogas (combinations > conferring spiritual advancement) are able to function properly as > the AK is in debilitation. Moreover the AK is in vargottama in > Navamsa but again in debilitation. > > The most interesting feature is the Ishta Devataa for the individual > as seen from Navamsa. The planet representing is Sun in an odd sign > signifying God Rama but what is here to note is that Sun is exalted > and in vargottama also. Hence DK is exalted in both charts seeing the > support extended to the individual by the future spouse inspite of > all the difficulites. > > The importance of DK is less than AK meaning that effects of AK will > influence more during its Dashas. > > The above chart indicates a Raja Yoga(lord of 5 in 10) associated > with Saturn. Also the presence Venus in its own house in a trine is > also a powerful yoga. But the person was not able to enjoy the Yoga > fully during the AD of Shani(Guru MD) as the conjuction of AK(in > debilitation) with the MD lord has started the health related issues > which worsens in Budh AD(AK). > > > Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of > the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and > dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this > awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa? > > The above case has Budh in the 4 Pada of Reva Nakshatra. Judging the > experience of the person during the AD of AK it can be inferred that > the AK (afflicted) in the 4 pada also has given considerable > suffering. In a way the strength isnt decreased just because it is in > 4 pada. Hence the AK position in chart, Shadbala, aspects and > conjuntions plays more important role. > > Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara rashi > dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the > dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or > bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope > with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other > karaka? > > The vimshottari dasha can also be related to chara karakattwa as the > above analysis fits perfectly for vimshottari dasha. Yes the vim > dasha or bhukti of atmakaraka should be different in flavour in > another with same dasha, AK represents the self and dashas > representing the self are always more powerful in flavour than dashas > for DK. > > Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that > retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of the > rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began > retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees. > Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered > the atmakaraka or mars? > > In some cases it is possible that two planets are at exactly the same > degree, minute and second in their respective signs. In this case, > two planets will occupy the post of the respective karaka and they > will compete for it. At the same time the next karaka-place becomes > vacant, and its role will be played by the sthira or naisargika > karaka. In this case the stronger becomes the respective cara karaka. > It also influences the signification, but in a subordinary way. > > Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of > a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same > time, would there be a different experience? What kind?? > > Depends upon the what Chara Karaka is being discussed, AK will be > more cruical than DK. Also the position of Karaka in the chart, > aspects,shadbala value and conjuctions(also retrograde nature) will > determine the final say in the difference in experinence. Another > useful factor is to study the placements of the graha Arudhas of the > different cara karakas, as from this we may understand how he > perceives those different relationships in his life. > > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > As most of us know, there are three types of karakas: naisargika, > > sthira and chara (Gauruv, you might want to discuss this matter > here > > on this forum where you will get the benefit of many experienced > > individuals and with charts etc. it has the potential to be a very > > useful discussion!). > > > > I personally do not think, anymore, of Jaimini paddhati as being > > different from Parashara Paddhati, they work well together, use for > > the most part the same factors etc. This is different from the > > modern paddhatis which use a very different framework to some > extent. > > > > But let us first focus on the chara karakas. I have the following > > questions to which those who have experimented or pondered upon > > these are encouraged to respond. Even younger and less experienced > > individuals who have expressed some trepidation about a few > > individuals all of whom sound to me like nice persons and not at > all > > threatening or ogrish (me included, of course!). :-) > > > > Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any > rashi > > being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.? > > > > Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize > > with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par > > excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary > > depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.? > > > > Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of > > the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and > > dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this > > awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa? > > > > Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara > rashi > > dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the > > dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or > > bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope > > with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other > > karaka? > > > > Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that > > retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of > the > > rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began > > retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees. > > Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered > > the atmakaraka or mars? > > > > Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of > > a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same > > time, would there be a different experience? What kind?? > > > > More questions please and answers too! Imaginative but logical > > responses welcome as long as they are stated clearly as postulates > > or surmises. Definitive opinions would be easier to accept if > > accompanied by examples. The end-goal of astrology is for it to > show > > up in charts of real individuals. Otherwise, it remains fictional! > > > > RR > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 I prefer simply Rohini! , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Dear Rashmi, > A correction for you,it should be Rohini Sir not madam. > > Gaurav > > , rashmi kaushik > <rashmikaushik1> wrote: > > Revered Gurus, > > i saw that the questions were answered using my > birth chart. it has made me curious. many astrologers told me i have > rajayoga , hamsa yoga and vipareetha raja yoga and some neechabhanga > raja yogaetc etc. and that my chart is very good. why inspite of so > many yogas i am suffering from major health problems?? why am i > failing ?? why so many major surgeries?? only bcos of weak mercury > can all yogas get cancelled. i love astrology and used to read B V > Raman books. but my life has become a question mark. Rohini madam , i > request you to see my chart and tell whether my health problems will > be solved and whether i will have more children. i have a son . > > does my future look good or are all yogas cancelled ?? > > > > DATE : APRIL 16 1975 > > TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS > > PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA > > > > thankfully > > rashmi > > > > Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > > > Here s my effort to answer the questions of Rohini ji, others are > > welcome to share there opinion. They are at will with reason to > > differ from mine. > > > > Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any rashi > > being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.? > > > > The basis for the most advanced planet in any rashi being the > > atmakarka can be referred to sloka BPHS 34.3-8 of BPHS which states > > that while calculating the order of karakas the planet with the > > highest degrees, minutes and seconds (irrespective of the occupied > > sign) will become the Atmakaraka. Also the reference can be found > in > > Jamaini`s system of Chara karakas. The reason why the AtmaKaraka is > > associated with the most advanced planet can be seen from the > meaning > > of the word AtmaKaraka, Atma meaning 'soul' or in other words self > > and Karaka meaning 'significator'. Hence the inner meaning is > > conveyed by the word is 'Self-indicator'. Perhaps once we talk > about > > ultimate goal of Atma, it is indeed the Atma merging with the > highest > > Atma called the ParamAtma as mentioned in Bhagwad Gita. The highest > > degree conferred by a planet is an indicator that it has tread the > > path more than anyone else hence the most advanced planet is > > associated with AK. > > > > AK indicates the force of the soul to achieve a certain goal and > the > > goal of all Atma`s is to reach the final destination. > > > > Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize > > with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par > > excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary > > depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.? > > > > Example Case > > DATE : APRIL 16 1975 > > TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS > > PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA > > > > AK- Budh(in debilitation) placed in 7 house with the lord of 7. > The > > house is also a seat for Hora Lagna for the chart. Also getting a > > direct aspect from Sani in 10 house which also happens to be Arudha > > Lagna. > > > > Often AK is called the King of Horoscope hence it is evident > > yogakarakattwa would vary if it is AK compared with being a > > gnatikaraka. Here one more thing that is seen is that the > > fructification of any yogas or yogakarakattwa will occur only in > the > > specific time frame of its Dashas, ADs or PDs. Also the position of > > placement in the chart or the Shadbala value of the AK also plays > an > > important role. > > > > In the case the AK Budh(in debilitation) gave really bad results > for > > health during Guru MahaDasha and Budha AD inspite of the fact that > > Guru is Swagrahi in Kendra and forming a yoga(Hamsa yoga). The AK > in > > this case has not let the yoga function properly in its own Dasha > > hence it is evident that neither the raja-yogas (combinations > > conferring power and wealth), nor the pravrajya-yogas (combinations > > conferring spiritual advancement) are able to function properly as > > the AK is in debilitation. Moreover the AK is in vargottama in > > Navamsa but again in debilitation. > > > > The most interesting feature is the Ishta Devataa for the > individual > > as seen from Navamsa. The planet representing is Sun in an odd sign > > signifying God Rama but what is here to note is that Sun is exalted > > and in vargottama also. Hence DK is exalted in both charts seeing > the > > support extended to the individual by the future spouse inspite of > > all the difficulites. > > > > The importance of DK is less than AK meaning that effects of AK > will > > influence more during its Dashas. > > > > The above chart indicates a Raja Yoga(lord of 5 in 10) associated > > with Saturn. Also the presence Venus in its own house in a trine is > > also a powerful yoga. But the person was not able to enjoy the Yoga > > fully during the AD of Shani(Guru MD) as the conjuction of AK(in > > debilitation) with the MD lord has started the health related > issues > > which worsens in Budh AD(AK). > > > > > > Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of > > the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and > > dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this > > awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa? > > > > The above case has Budh in the 4 Pada of Reva Nakshatra. Judging > the > > experience of the person during the AD of AK it can be inferred > that > > the AK (afflicted) in the 4 pada also has given considerable > > suffering. In a way the strength isnt decreased just because it is > in > > 4 pada. Hence the AK position in chart, Shadbala, aspects and > > conjuntions plays more important role. > > > > Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara rashi > > dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the > > dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or > > bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope > > with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other > > karaka? > > > > The vimshottari dasha can also be related to chara karakattwa as > the > > above analysis fits perfectly for vimshottari dasha. Yes the vim > > dasha or bhukti of atmakaraka should be different in flavour in > > another with same dasha, AK represents the self and dashas > > representing the self are always more powerful in flavour than > dashas > > for DK. > > > > Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that > > retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of the > > rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began > > retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees. > > Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered > > the atmakaraka or mars? > > > > In some cases it is possible that two planets are at exactly the > same > > degree, minute and second in their respective signs. In this case, > > two planets will occupy the post of the respective karaka and they > > will compete for it. At the same time the next karaka-place becomes > > vacant, and its role will be played by the sthira or naisargika > > karaka. In this case the stronger becomes the respective cara > karaka. > > It also influences the signification, but in a subordinary way. > > > > Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of > > a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same > > time, would there be a different experience? What kind?? > > > > Depends upon the what Chara Karaka is being discussed, AK will be > > more cruical than DK. Also the position of Karaka in the chart, > > aspects,shadbala value and conjuctions(also retrograde nature) will > > determine the final say in the difference in experinence. Another > > useful factor is to study the placements of the graha Arudhas of > the > > different cara karakas, as from this we may understand how he > > perceives those different relationships in his life. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > As most of us know, there are three types of karakas: naisargika, > > > sthira and chara (Gauruv, you might want to discuss this matter > > here > > > on this forum where you will get the benefit of many experienced > > > individuals and with charts etc. it has the potential to be a > very > > > useful discussion!). > > > > > > I personally do not think, anymore, of Jaimini paddhati as being > > > different from Parashara Paddhati, they work well together, use > for > > > the most part the same factors etc. This is different from the > > > modern paddhatis which use a very different framework to some > > extent. > > > > > > But let us first focus on the chara karakas. I have the following > > > questions to which those who have experimented or pondered upon > > > these are encouraged to respond. Even younger and less > experienced > > > individuals who have expressed some trepidation about a few > > > individuals all of whom sound to me like nice persons and not at > > all > > > threatening or ogrish (me included, of course!). :-) > > > > > > Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any > > rashi > > > being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.? > > > > > > Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or > antagonize > > > with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par > > > excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary > > > depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.? > > > > > > Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) > of > > > the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and > > > dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this > > > awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa? > > > > > > Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara > > rashi > > > dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during > the > > > dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or > > > bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another > horoscope > > > with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other > > > karaka? > > > > > > Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that > > > retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of > > the > > > rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began > > > retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees. > > > Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be > considered > > > the atmakaraka or mars? > > > > > > Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti > of > > > a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same > > > time, would there be a different experience? What kind?? > > > > > > More questions please and answers too! Imaginative but logical > > > responses welcome as long as they are stated clearly as > postulates > > > or surmises. Definitive opinions would be easier to accept if > > > accompanied by examples. The end-goal of astrology is for it to > > show > > > up in charts of real individuals. Otherwise, it remains fictional! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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