Pls reply Revered Rohini madam and Gaurav Sir

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Revered Gurus,

i saw that the questions were answered using my birth chart.

it has made me curious. many astrologers told me i have rajayoga , hamsa yoga

and vipareetha raja yoga and some neechabhanga raja yogaetc etc. and that my

chart is very good. why inspite of so many yogas i am suffering from major

health problems?? why am i failing ?? why so many major surgeries?? only bcos of

weak mercury can all yogas get cancelled. i love astrology and used to read B V

Raman books. but my life has become a question mark. Rohini madam , i request

you to see my chart and tell whether my health problems will be solved and

whether i will have more children. i have a son .

does my future look good or are all yogas cancelled ??

 

DATE : APRIL 16 1975

TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS

PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA

 

thankfully

rashmi

 

Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote:

Hello Everyone,

 

Here s my effort to answer the questions of Rohini ji, others are

welcome to share there opinion. They are at will with reason to

differ from mine.

 

Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any rashi

being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.?

 

The basis for the most advanced planet in any rashi being the

atmakarka can be referred to sloka BPHS 34.3-8 of BPHS which states

that while calculating the order of karakas the planet with the

highest degrees, minutes and seconds (irrespective of the occupied

sign) will become the Atmakaraka. Also the reference can be found in

Jamaini`s system of Chara karakas. The reason why the AtmaKaraka is

associated with the most advanced planet can be seen from the meaning

of the word AtmaKaraka, Atma meaning 'soul' or in other words self

and Karaka meaning 'significator'. Hence the inner meaning is

conveyed by the word is 'Self-indicator'. Perhaps once we talk about

ultimate goal of Atma, it is indeed the Atma merging with the highest

Atma called the ParamAtma as mentioned in Bhagwad Gita. The highest

degree conferred by a planet is an indicator that it has tread the

path more than anyone else hence the most advanced planet is

associated with AK.

 

AK indicates the force of the soul to achieve a certain goal and the

goal of all Atma`s is to reach the final destination.

 

Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize

with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par

excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary

depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.?

 

Example Case

DATE : APRIL 16 1975

TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS

PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA

 

AK- Budh(in debilitation) placed in 7 house with the lord of 7. The

house is also a seat for Hora Lagna for the chart. Also getting a

direct aspect from Sani in 10 house which also happens to be Arudha

Lagna.

 

Often AK is called the King of Horoscope hence it is evident

yogakarakattwa would vary if it is AK compared with being a

gnatikaraka. Here one more thing that is seen is that the

fructification of any yogas or yogakarakattwa will occur only in the

specific time frame of its Dashas, ADs or PDs. Also the position of

placement in the chart or the Shadbala value of the AK also plays an

important role.

 

In the case the AK Budh(in debilitation) gave really bad results for

health during Guru MahaDasha and Budha AD inspite of the fact that

Guru is Swagrahi in Kendra and forming a yoga(Hamsa yoga). The AK in

this case has not let the yoga function properly in its own Dasha

hence it is evident that neither the raja-yogas (combinations

conferring power and wealth), nor the pravrajya-yogas (combinations

conferring spiritual advancement) are able to function properly as

the AK is in debilitation. Moreover the AK is in vargottama in

Navamsa but again in debilitation.

 

The most interesting feature is the Ishta Devataa for the individual

as seen from Navamsa. The planet representing is Sun in an odd sign

signifying God Rama but what is here to note is that Sun is exalted

and in vargottama also. Hence DK is exalted in both charts seeing the

support extended to the individual by the future spouse inspite of

all the difficulites.

 

The importance of DK is less than AK meaning that effects of AK will

influence more during its Dashas.

 

The above chart indicates a Raja Yoga(lord of 5 in 10) associated

with Saturn. Also the presence Venus in its own house in a trine is

also a powerful yoga. But the person was not able to enjoy the Yoga

fully during the AD of Shani(Guru MD) as the conjuction of AK(in

debilitation) with the MD lord has started the health related issues

which worsens in Budh AD(AK).

 

 

Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of

the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and

dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this

awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa?

 

The above case has Budh in the 4 Pada of Reva Nakshatra. Judging the

experience of the person during the AD of AK it can be inferred that

the AK (afflicted) in the 4 pada also has given considerable

suffering. In a way the strength isnt decreased just because it is in

4 pada. Hence the AK position in chart, Shadbala, aspects and

conjuntions plays more important role.

 

Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara rashi

dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the

dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or

bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope

with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other

karaka?

 

The vimshottari dasha can also be related to chara karakattwa as the

above analysis fits perfectly for vimshottari dasha. Yes the vim

dasha or bhukti of atmakaraka should be different in flavour in

another with same dasha, AK represents the self and dashas

representing the self are always more powerful in flavour than dashas

for DK.

 

Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that

retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of the

rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began

retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees.

Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered

the atmakaraka or mars?

 

In some cases it is possible that two planets are at exactly the same

degree, minute and second in their respective signs. In this case,

two planets will occupy the post of the respective karaka and they

will compete for it. At the same time the next karaka-place becomes

vacant, and its role will be played by the sthira or naisargika

karaka. In this case the stronger becomes the respective cara karaka.

It also influences the signification, but in a subordinary way.

 

Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of

a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same

time, would there be a different experience? What kind??

 

Depends upon the what Chara Karaka is being discussed, AK will be

more cruical than DK. Also the position of Karaka in the chart,

aspects,shadbala value and conjuctions(also retrograde nature) will

determine the final say in the difference in experinence. Another

useful factor is to study the placements of the graha Arudhas of the

different cara karakas, as from this we may understand how he

perceives those different relationships in his life.

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> As most of us know, there are three types of karakas: naisargika,

> sthira and chara (Gauruv, you might want to discuss this matter

here

> on this forum where you will get the benefit of many experienced

> individuals and with charts etc. it has the potential to be a very

> useful discussion!).

>

> I personally do not think, anymore, of Jaimini paddhati as being

> different from Parashara Paddhati, they work well together, use for

> the most part the same factors etc. This is different from the

> modern paddhatis which use a very different framework to some

extent.

>

> But let us first focus on the chara karakas. I have the following

> questions to which those who have experimented or pondered upon

> these are encouraged to respond. Even younger and less experienced

> individuals who have expressed some trepidation about a few

> individuals all of whom sound to me like nice persons and not at

all

> threatening or ogrish (me included, of course!). :-)

>

> Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any

rashi

> being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.?

>

> Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize

> with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par

> excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary

> depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.?

>

> Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of

> the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and

> dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this

> awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa?

>

> Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara

rashi

> dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the

> dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or

> bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope

> with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other

> karaka?

>

> Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that

> retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of

the

> rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began

> retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees.

> Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered

> the atmakaraka or mars?

>

> Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of

> a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same

> time, would there be a different experience? What kind??

>

> More questions please and answers too! Imaginative but logical

> responses welcome as long as they are stated clearly as postulates

> or surmises. Definitive opinions would be easier to accept if

> accompanied by examples. The end-goal of astrology is for it to

show

> up in charts of real individuals. Otherwise, it remains fictional!

>

> RR

 

 

 

~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Analysing your chart by KP, I see it as follow:

Your chart Mercury sub in Moon star and Mercury sign rising as lagna.

Rahu in 2nd, Mars in 5th , Jup in 6th , Mercury and Sun(Aries) in

7th, Venus and Ketu in 8th, Moon in 9th and Sat in 10th.

Your surgical problems are caused by 8th house Venus and Ketu very

closely aspected by 5th Mars [exact 90degree]. Both Ketu and Venus

in sub of Venus and star of Sun will cause this problems to continue

in ketu and Venus bhukti. 6th house Jupiter not helping except to

give comfortable stay in nursing home/ hospital.

Mercury is duel and nervous, and causes complicatins by its nature.

As sub lord of lagna in 7th house conjunct with Sun and deblitated

in Pisces gives you a sympathtic nature, helpful,[ good nurses and

assitants have such combination], psychic, quick grasping power and

imagination, easily hurt, and emotional.

It also gives very nervous constitution, unsettled wedded life and

relationships, untimely meals , uneasiness and unnessary

complications. So you have to be calm and cultivate patience to cope

with your problem.

Relief will be possible in the bhukti of Moon in 2009 around .Moon

in the Star of Mars in 5th house will also give you Son again with

surgical aids. In my judgement dasa lord Jupiter will cooperate.

Sun bhukti before Moon may also be very troublesome.

Please go for meditation and prayers .

Good wishes. God bless you.

Inder

 

 

-- In , rashmi kaushik

<rashmikaushik1> wrote:

> Revered Gurus,

> i saw that the questions were answered using

my birth chart. it has made me curious. many astrologers told me i

have rajayoga , hamsa yoga and vipareetha raja yoga and some

neechabhanga raja yogaetc etc. and that my chart is very good. why

inspite of so many yogas i am suffering from major health problems??

why am i failing ?? why so many major surgeries?? only bcos of weak

mercury can all yogas get cancelled. i love astrology and used to

read B V Raman books. but my life has become a question mark. Rohini

madam , i request you to see my chart and tell whether my health

problems will be solved and whether i will have more children. i

have a son .

> does my future look good or are all yogas cancelled ??

>

> DATE : APRIL 16 1975

> TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS

> PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA

>

> thankfully

> rashmi

>

> Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,

>

> Here s my effort to answer the questions of Rohini ji, others are

> welcome to share there opinion. They are at will with reason to

> differ from mine.

>

> Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any

rashi

> being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.?

>

> The basis for the most advanced planet in any rashi being the

> atmakarka can be referred to sloka BPHS 34.3-8 of BPHS which

states

> that while calculating the order of karakas the planet with the

> highest degrees, minutes and seconds (irrespective of the occupied

> sign) will become the Atmakaraka. Also the reference can be found

in

> Jamaini`s system of Chara karakas. The reason why the AtmaKaraka

is

> associated with the most advanced planet can be seen from the

meaning

> of the word AtmaKaraka, Atma meaning 'soul' or in other words self

> and Karaka meaning 'significator'. Hence the inner meaning is

> conveyed by the word is 'Self-indicator'. Perhaps once we talk

about

> ultimate goal of Atma, it is indeed the Atma merging with the

highest

> Atma called the ParamAtma as mentioned in Bhagwad Gita. The

highest

> degree conferred by a planet is an indicator that it has tread the

> path more than anyone else hence the most advanced planet is

> associated with AK.

>

> AK indicates the force of the soul to achieve a certain goal and

the

> goal of all Atma`s is to reach the final destination.

>

> Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or antagonize

> with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par

> excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary

> depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.?

>

> Example Case

> DATE : APRIL 16 1975

> TIME : 5:30 PM / 17:30 HRS

> PLACE : BANGALORE , KARNATAKA ,INDIA

>

> AK- Budh(in debilitation) placed in 7 house with the lord of 7.

The

> house is also a seat for Hora Lagna for the chart. Also getting a

> direct aspect from Sani in 10 house which also happens to be

Arudha

> Lagna.

>

> Often AK is called the King of Horoscope hence it is evident

> yogakarakattwa would vary if it is AK compared with being a

> gnatikaraka. Here one more thing that is seen is that the

> fructification of any yogas or yogakarakattwa will occur only in

the

> specific time frame of its Dashas, ADs or PDs. Also the position

of

> placement in the chart or the Shadbala value of the AK also plays

an

> important role.

>

> In the case the AK Budh(in debilitation) gave really bad results

for

> health during Guru MahaDasha and Budha AD inspite of the fact that

> Guru is Swagrahi in Kendra and forming a yoga(Hamsa yoga). The AK

in

> this case has not let the yoga function properly in its own Dasha

> hence it is evident that neither the raja-yogas (combinations

> conferring power and wealth), nor the pravrajya-yogas

(combinations

> conferring spiritual advancement) are able to function properly as

> the AK is in debilitation. Moreover the AK is in vargottama in

> Navamsa but again in debilitation.

>

> The most interesting feature is the Ishta Devataa for the

individual

> as seen from Navamsa. The planet representing is Sun in an odd

sign

> signifying God Rama but what is here to note is that Sun is

exalted

> and in vargottama also. Hence DK is exalted in both charts seeing

the

> support extended to the individual by the future spouse inspite of

> all the difficulites.

>

> The importance of DK is less than AK meaning that effects of AK

will

> influence more during its Dashas.

>

> The above chart indicates a Raja Yoga(lord of 5 in 10) associated

> with Saturn. Also the presence Venus in its own house in a trine

is

> also a powerful yoga. But the person was not able to enjoy the

Yoga

> fully during the AD of Shani(Guru MD) as the conjuction of AK(in

> debilitation) with the MD lord has started the health related

issues

> which worsens in Budh AD(AK).

>

>

> Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age) of

> the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign and

> dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this

> awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa?

>

> The above case has Budh in the 4 Pada of Reva Nakshatra. Judging

the

> experience of the person during the AD of AK it can be inferred

that

> the AK (afflicted) in the 4 pada also has given considerable

> suffering. In a way the strength isnt decreased just because it is

in

> 4 pada. Hence the AK position in chart, Shadbala, aspects and

> conjuntions plays more important role.

>

> Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara

rashi

> dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during the

> dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or

> bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another horoscope

> with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other

> karaka?

>

> The vimshottari dasha can also be related to chara karakattwa as

the

> above analysis fits perfectly for vimshottari dasha. Yes the vim

> dasha or bhukti of atmakaraka should be different in flavour in

> another with same dasha, AK represents the self and dashas

> representing the self are always more powerful in flavour than

dashas

> for DK.

>

> Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that

> retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of

the

> rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began

> retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23 degrees.

> Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be considered

> the atmakaraka or mars?

>

> In some cases it is possible that two planets are at exactly the

same

> degree, minute and second in their respective signs. In this case,

> two planets will occupy the post of the respective karaka and they

> will compete for it. At the same time the next karaka-place

becomes

> vacant, and its role will be played by the sthira or naisargika

> karaka. In this case the stronger becomes the respective cara

karaka.

> It also influences the signification, but in a subordinary way.

>

> Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti of

> a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same

> time, would there be a different experience? What kind??

>

> Depends upon the what Chara Karaka is being discussed, AK will be

> more cruical than DK. Also the position of Karaka in the chart,

> aspects,shadbala value and conjuctions(also retrograde nature)

will

> determine the final say in the difference in experinence. Another

> useful factor is to study the placements of the graha Arudhas of

the

> different cara karakas, as from this we may understand how he

> perceives those different relationships in his life.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > As most of us know, there are three types of karakas:

naisargika,

> > sthira and chara (Gauruv, you might want to discuss this matter

> here

> > on this forum where you will get the benefit of many experienced

> > individuals and with charts etc. it has the potential to be a

very

> > useful discussion!).

> >

> > I personally do not think, anymore, of Jaimini paddhati as being

> > different from Parashara Paddhati, they work well together, use

for

> > the most part the same factors etc. This is different from the

> > modern paddhatis which use a very different framework to some

> extent.

> >

> > But let us first focus on the chara karakas. I have the

following

> > questions to which those who have experimented or pondered upon

> > these are encouraged to respond. Even younger and less

experienced

> > individuals who have expressed some trepidation about a few

> > individuals all of whom sound to me like nice persons and not at

> all

> > threatening or ogrish (me included, of course!). :-)

> >

> > Q1. What could be the basis of the most advanced planet in any

> rashi

> > being the atmakaraka? The next amatya karaka, etc.?

> >

> > Q2. To what extent would the charakarakatwa interfere or

antagonize

> > with other attributes? For instance, mars is a yogakaraka par

> > excellence for karkata lagna. How would its yogakarakattwa vary

> > depending on whether it is atmakarka or ... gnatikaraka ... etc.?

> >

> > Q3. How does charakarakattwa get influenced by the awastha (age)

of

> > the planet. Atmakaraka could be in the last degrees of a sign

and

> > dead, or it could be in lesser degree and youthful? Will this

> > awastha show up in the expression of chara karakattwa?

> >

> > Q4. It makes sense that chara karakattwa would work with chara

> rashi

> > dashas. But, would the charakarakattwa also be expressed during

the

> > dasha of the planet in vimshottari dasha? Would the vim dasha or

> > bhukti of atmakaraka have a different flavour in another

horoscope

> > with same dasha, but the planet being darakaraka or some other

> > karaka?

> >

> > Q5. Influence of charakaraka that is retrograde? Some say that

> > retrograde planets should be counted in reverse? From the end of

> the

> > rashi or from the point of retrogression? Let us say mars began

> > retrograding from 26th degree of a sign and now is at 23

degrees.

> > Would another planet that is direct and at 24 degrees be

considered

> > the atmakaraka or mars?

> >

> > Q6. If an individual experiences the vimshottari dasha or bhukti

of

> > a karaka and also of the sign in chara dasha scheme at the same

> > time, would there be a different experience? What kind??

> >

> > More questions please and answers too! Imaginative but logical

> > responses welcome as long as they are stated clearly as

postulates

> > or surmises. Definitive opinions would be easier to accept if

> > accompanied by examples. The end-goal of astrology is for it to

> show

> > up in charts of real individuals. Otherwise, it remains

fictional!

> >

> > RR

>

>

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