Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Respected Sri RR, Self is getting some surprisingly accurate results with a combination of Raman Ayanamsha and Computation of dasa period on 360 tithis per year format. Gotta work on more charts to be more sure. How abt testing it out? Rgds Tatvam-Asi Logically, all dasa periods in days of yore were computed on tithi basis is what the contention is. rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: It is a mystery that I am awaiting a satisfactory explanation for. Assuming that all users are honest and do not have personal agendas and have tried a few different values before settling down to one that worked best in their experience: a) It is mysterious that different values of ayanamshas work well in different people's hands. This requires that they have experimented with a large number of charts. Due to sampling variation, and the fact that astrology is not 100% accurate, regardless of unsubstantiated claims to the contrary, the cloud around this issue is rendered that much more difficult. b) Issue is complicated further by variant parameters such as parallax corrected moon, savanmana year and lunar year for dasha durations, and use of different techniques to suit the need for explaining an effect ("thok-peet jyotish" as I have heard it being called). In my personal usage, I have experimented with several ayanamshas and parameters such as 360 day year, dasha seeds based on Satya's recommendation, parallax-corrected moon, etc. While not perfect, I keep coming back to Raman ayanamsha which is essentially the value quoted from a panjika by Yukteshwar in Holy Science, with more modern annual rate of precession applied to it. I have written about it in several places. For others, including my students, I neither recommend nor force a given value or approach. I insist though that they take the hard- work approach of testing things out for themselves and not simply depend on 'strong' statements that exist in paper or silicon literature! RR , surya vishnubhotla wrote: > Hello are we implying that Lahari system is not so > accurate?? > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > Yes it helped, in part. Or else I would not have > > continued > > with jyotish. > > > > , "Inder" > > > > wrote: > > > Dear Sir, > > > It will be very interesting to know whether your > > disallusionment > > > disappered after discarding Lahiri. > > > Inder > > > > > > - In , > > "rohiniranjan" > > > wrote: > > > > You are partly right. Back then I was using > > Lahiri ayanamsha and > > > > not taking into account Jaimini parameters ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > There is no difference of opinion here that > > lack of data on such > > > > > events is serious problem for analysing the > > incident from > > > > > astrological point of view. > > > > > On your--innocence challenged/destroyed or > > your disillsionment > > > etc, > > > > > I beg to say following: > > > > > May be you chose wrong systems or ayanmsa or > > dasa etc to have > > > met > > > > > such disillusionment. > > > > > {{ I am not passing any judgement and saying > > "may be" }} > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes switching over to other path becomes > > much difficult > > > due to > > > > > loyality etc. > > > > > > > > > > Many-times unlearning becomes much difficult > > than to learn. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > -- In , > > "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I approach jyotish and life with two > > perspectives, dear sir. > > > One > > > > > > deals with the practical and the other > > ethereal. While both > > > can be > > > > > > conceived and understood simultaneously, it > > is difficult and > > > > > > confusing to try and describe the two at the > > same time, hence > > > > > > sometimes my postings confuse some. > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context (group disasters, group > > deaths as in an > > > accident > > > > > > caused by nature or nature's *gift* to > > planet earth, humans!), > > > the > > > > > > ethereal take would be to talk about group > > karma, collective > > > karma > > > > > > and the dove-tailing that can be found in > > some descriptions. > > > > > > However, attractive as these concepts may be > > and truly > > > embracing > > > > > > total reality, perhaps, they represent the > > enjoyment and > > > > > > understanding of art and art objects. > > Jyotishis and others > > > must > > > > > > NEVER lose that perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is the other perspective too, > > of the practical > > > > > > jyotish. This is akin to the left-brained > > aspects of art, the > > > > > > learning and training of the artist whose > > karma it is to bring > > > the > > > > > > energy received through the right-brain into > > expression and > > > > > sharing > > > > > > of the beautiful energy that comes through > > the right-brain and > > > > > > expressed through the left brain. I am using > > crude terms, > > > right > > > > > > brain, left brain, but I am sure wise ones > > like you would > > > grasp > > > > > the > > > > > > meaning. It is like a gourmand, who > > appreciates exquisite > > > cooking > > > > - > > > > > - > > > > > > now transferring that taste into an > > expression that makes him > > > or > > > > > her > > > > > > cook and reproduce the taste into tangible > > dishes that others > > > may > > > > > > also enjoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what hopefully we often discuss here > > on this practical > > > > > list. > > > > > > So, while collective karma might be driving > > the event in > > > question, > > > > > > we do not have a good technical handle on > > how these things > > > show up > > > > > > in charts, of individuals and of groups > > sharing the gruesome > > > > > > experience in earthly terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to cook and to teach others to > > cook, there must be > > > > > recipes > > > > > > that can be followed and in this particular > > situation, the > > > recipes > > > > > > are missing because most if not all of us > > have not examined > > > actual > > > > > > charts of victims such as these. If we have > > not, how can we > > > even > > > > > > state the drama or reasons behind such > > cosmic dramas? I was > > > merely > > > > > > sounding caution. One of the biggest > > problems with astrology > > > is > > > > > that > > > > > > it has a illusive logical structure which > > some would > > > vehemently > > > > > deny > > > > > > and argue against. Quite honestly, years ago > > when I had a lot > > > of > > > > > > bookish knowledge under my belt but little > > direct experience > > > and > > > > > > knowledge of charts, things seemed so easy > > and logical and was > > > so > > > > > > sure that this or that dasha would bring > > things to focus and > > > > > > fruition, be it marriage, childbirth etc. > > The school of hard > > > > > knocks > > > > > > soon taught me that what appears in books, > > old and new is > > > often > > > > > not > > > > > > true and simple or direct logic in terms of > > yogas etc. > > > > > mysteriously > > > > > > does not work in prospective analyses, aka > > predictive > > > astrology. > > > > > It > > > > > > was not easy when innocence was challenged > > by nature and > > > destroyed > > > > > > and the real learning began. > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps like an overprotective older > > traveller, I wish to > > > spare > > > > > the > > > > > > younger brothers and sisters the pain of > > disillusionment. This > > > > > will > > > > > > make me run against the grain of the > > established 'religion' of > > > > > > astrology. So be it! > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Sorry to be a party pooper, but for a while, I got good results with Lahiri and savanamana year but not for long :-( Things improved with Raman and 365! The key in such cases is to focus on vargas and see if the tricky planets are not at it again toying with us mortals, yet again. This is not to distract you from your chosen path of investigation. Like I said, there is something mysterious and mystical about it that only those who dare a bit irrational can be comfortable with! RR , tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > Respected Sri RR, > Self is getting some surprisingly accurate results with a combination of Raman Ayanamsha and Computation of dasa period on 360 tithis per year format. > Gotta work on more charts to be more sure. > How abt testing it out? > Rgds > Tatvam-Asi > > Logically, all dasa periods in days of yore were computed on tithi basis is what the contention is. > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > It is a mystery that I am awaiting a satisfactory explanation for. > > Assuming that all users are honest and do not have personal agendas > and have tried a few different values before settling down to one > that worked best in their experience: > > a) It is mysterious that different values of ayanamshas work well in > different people's hands. This requires that they have experimented > with a large number of charts. Due to sampling variation, and the > fact that astrology is not 100% accurate, regardless of > unsubstantiated claims to the contrary, the cloud around this issue > is rendered that much more difficult. > > b) Issue is complicated further by variant parameters such as > parallax corrected moon, savanmana year and lunar year for dasha > durations, and use of different techniques to suit the need for > explaining an effect ("thok-peet jyotish" as I have heard it being > called). > > In my personal usage, I have experimented with several ayanamshas > and parameters such as 360 day year, dasha seeds based on Satya's > recommendation, parallax-corrected moon, etc. While not perfect, I > keep coming back to Raman ayanamsha which is essentially the value > quoted from a panjika by Yukteshwar in Holy Science, with more > modern annual rate of precession applied to it. I have written about > it in several places. > > For others, including my students, I neither recommend nor force a > given value or approach. I insist though that they take the hard- > work approach of testing things out for themselves and not simply > depend on 'strong' statements that exist in paper or silicon > literature! > > RR > > > , surya vishnubhotla > wrote: > > Hello are we implying that Lahari system is not so > > accurate?? > > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > Yes it helped, in part. Or else I would not have > > > continued > > > with jyotish. > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > It will be very interesting to know whether your > > > disallusionment > > > > disappered after discarding Lahiri. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > - In , > > > "rohiniranjan" > > > > wrote: > > > > > You are partly right. Back then I was using > > > Lahiri ayanamsha and > > > > > not taking into account Jaimini parameters ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > There is no difference of opinion here that > > > lack of data on such > > > > > > events is serious problem for analysing the > > > incident from > > > > > > astrological point of view. > > > > > > On your--innocence challenged/destroyed or > > > your disillsionment > > > > etc, > > > > > > I beg to say following: > > > > > > May be you chose wrong systems or ayanmsa or > > > dasa etc to have > > > > met > > > > > > such disillusionment. > > > > > > {{ I am not passing any judgement and saying > > > "may be" }} > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes switching over to other path becomes > > > much difficult > > > > due to > > > > > > loyality etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many-times unlearning becomes much difficult > > > than to learn. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , > > > "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I approach jyotish and life with two > > > perspectives, dear sir. > > > > One > > > > > > > deals with the practical and the other > > > ethereal. While both > > > > can be > > > > > > > conceived and understood simultaneously, it > > > is difficult and > > > > > > > confusing to try and describe the two at the > > > same time, hence > > > > > > > sometimes my postings confuse some. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context (group disasters, group > > > deaths as in an > > > > accident > > > > > > > caused by nature or nature's *gift* to > > > planet earth, humans!), > > > > the > > > > > > > ethereal take would be to talk about group > > > karma, collective > > > > karma > > > > > > > and the dove-tailing that can be found in > > > some descriptions. > > > > > > > However, attractive as these concepts may be > > > and truly > > > > embracing > > > > > > > total reality, perhaps, they represent the > > > enjoyment and > > > > > > > understanding of art and art objects. > > > Jyotishis and others > > > > must > > > > > > > NEVER lose that perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is the other perspective too, > > > of the practical > > > > > > > jyotish. This is akin to the left-brained > > > aspects of art, the > > > > > > > learning and training of the artist whose > > > karma it is to bring > > > > the > > > > > > > energy received through the right-brain into > > > expression and > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > of the beautiful energy that comes through > > > the right-brain and > > > > > > > expressed through the left brain. I am using > > > crude terms, > > > > right > > > > > > > brain, left brain, but I am sure wise ones > > > like you would > > > > grasp > > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning. It is like a gourmand, who > > > appreciates exquisite > > > > cooking > > > > > - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > now transferring that taste into an > > > expression that makes him > > > > or > > > > > > her > > > > > > > cook and reproduce the taste into tangible > > > dishes that others > > > > may > > > > > > > also enjoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what hopefully we often discuss here > > > on this practical > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > So, while collective karma might be driving > > > the event in > > > > question, > > > > > > > we do not have a good technical handle on > > > how these things > > > > show up > > > > > > > in charts, of individuals and of groups > > > sharing the gruesome > > > > > > > experience in earthly terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to cook and to teach others to > > > cook, there must be > > > > > > recipes > > > > > > > that can be followed and in this particular > > > situation, the > > > > recipes > > > > > > > are missing because most if not all of us > > > have not examined > > > > actual > > > > > > > charts of victims such as these. If we have > > > not, how can we > > > > even > > > > > > > state the drama or reasons behind such > > > cosmic dramas? I was > > > > merely > > > > > > > sounding caution. One of the biggest > > > problems with astrology > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it has a illusive logical structure which > > > some would > > > > vehemently > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > and argue against. Quite honestly, years ago > > > when I had a lot > > > > of > > > > > > > bookish knowledge under my belt but little > > > direct experience > > > > and > > > > > > > knowledge of charts, things seemed so easy > > > and logical and was > > > > so > > > > > > > sure that this or that dasha would bring > > > things to focus and > > > > > > > fruition, be it marriage, childbirth etc. > > > The school of hard > > > > > > knocks > > > > > > > soon taught me that what appears in books, > > > old and new is > > > > often > > > > > > not > > > > > > > true and simple or direct logic in terms of > > > yogas etc. > > > > > > mysteriously > > > > > > > does not work in prospective analyses, aka > > > predictive > > > > astrology. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > was not easy when innocence was challenged > > > by nature and > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > and the real learning began. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps like an overprotective older > > > traveller, I wish to > > > > spare > > > > > > the > > > > > > > younger brothers and sisters the pain of > > > disillusionment. This > > > > > > will > > > > > > > make me run against the grain of the > > > established 'religion' of > > > > > > > astrology. So be it! > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2004 Report Share Posted July 22, 2004 Oh and please do not elevate me to the lofty heights of calling me "respected sir". I do not deserve it and should a fall ever come, it would hurt me more if I were to drop from that lofty height! Warm regards, RR , tatvam asi <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > Respected Sri RR, > Self is getting some surprisingly accurate results with a combination of Raman Ayanamsha and Computation of dasa period on 360 tithis per year format. > Gotta work on more charts to be more sure. > How abt testing it out? > Rgds > Tatvam-Asi > > Logically, all dasa periods in days of yore were computed on tithi basis is what the contention is. > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote: > It is a mystery that I am awaiting a satisfactory explanation for. > > Assuming that all users are honest and do not have personal agendas > and have tried a few different values before settling down to one > that worked best in their experience: > > a) It is mysterious that different values of ayanamshas work well in > different people's hands. This requires that they have experimented > with a large number of charts. Due to sampling variation, and the > fact that astrology is not 100% accurate, regardless of > unsubstantiated claims to the contrary, the cloud around this issue > is rendered that much more difficult. > > b) Issue is complicated further by variant parameters such as > parallax corrected moon, savanmana year and lunar year for dasha > durations, and use of different techniques to suit the need for > explaining an effect ("thok-peet jyotish" as I have heard it being > called). > > In my personal usage, I have experimented with several ayanamshas > and parameters such as 360 day year, dasha seeds based on Satya's > recommendation, parallax-corrected moon, etc. While not perfect, I > keep coming back to Raman ayanamsha which is essentially the value > quoted from a panjika by Yukteshwar in Holy Science, with more > modern annual rate of precession applied to it. I have written about > it in several places. > > For others, including my students, I neither recommend nor force a > given value or approach. I insist though that they take the hard- > work approach of testing things out for themselves and not simply > depend on 'strong' statements that exist in paper or silicon > literature! > > RR > > > , surya vishnubhotla > wrote: > > Hello are we implying that Lahari system is not so > > accurate?? > > > > --- rohiniranjan wrote: > > > Yes it helped, in part. Or else I would not have > > > continued > > > with jyotish. > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > It will be very interesting to know whether your > > > disallusionment > > > > disappered after discarding Lahiri. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > - In , > > > "rohiniranjan" > > > > wrote: > > > > > You are partly right. Back then I was using > > > Lahiri ayanamsha and > > > > > not taking into account Jaimini parameters ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniji, > > > > > > There is no difference of opinion here that > > > lack of data on such > > > > > > events is serious problem for analysing the > > > incident from > > > > > > astrological point of view. > > > > > > On your--innocence challenged/destroyed or > > > your disillsionment > > > > etc, > > > > > > I beg to say following: > > > > > > May be you chose wrong systems or ayanmsa or > > > dasa etc to have > > > > met > > > > > > such disillusionment. > > > > > > {{ I am not passing any judgement and saying > > > "may be" }} > > > > > > > > > > > > Sometimes switching over to other path becomes > > > much difficult > > > > due to > > > > > > loyality etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Many-times unlearning becomes much difficult > > > than to learn. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , > > > "rohiniranjan" > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I approach jyotish and life with two > > > perspectives, dear sir. > > > > One > > > > > > > deals with the practical and the other > > > ethereal. While both > > > > can be > > > > > > > conceived and understood simultaneously, it > > > is difficult and > > > > > > > confusing to try and describe the two at the > > > same time, hence > > > > > > > sometimes my postings confuse some. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this context (group disasters, group > > > deaths as in an > > > > accident > > > > > > > caused by nature or nature's *gift* to > > > planet earth, humans!), > > > > the > > > > > > > ethereal take would be to talk about group > > > karma, collective > > > > karma > > > > > > > and the dove-tailing that can be found in > > > some descriptions. > > > > > > > However, attractive as these concepts may be > > > and truly > > > > embracing > > > > > > > total reality, perhaps, they represent the > > > enjoyment and > > > > > > > understanding of art and art objects. > > > Jyotishis and others > > > > must > > > > > > > NEVER lose that perspective. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there is the other perspective too, > > > of the practical > > > > > > > jyotish. This is akin to the left-brained > > > aspects of art, the > > > > > > > learning and training of the artist whose > > > karma it is to bring > > > > the > > > > > > > energy received through the right-brain into > > > expression and > > > > > > sharing > > > > > > > of the beautiful energy that comes through > > > the right-brain and > > > > > > > expressed through the left brain. I am using > > > crude terms, > > > > right > > > > > > > brain, left brain, but I am sure wise ones > > > like you would > > > > grasp > > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning. It is like a gourmand, who > > > appreciates exquisite > > > > cooking > > > > > - > > > > > > - > > > > > > > now transferring that taste into an > > > expression that makes him > > > > or > > > > > > her > > > > > > > cook and reproduce the taste into tangible > > > dishes that others > > > > may > > > > > > > also enjoy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what hopefully we often discuss here > > > on this practical > > > > > > list. > > > > > > > So, while collective karma might be driving > > > the event in > > > > question, > > > > > > > we do not have a good technical handle on > > > how these things > > > > show up > > > > > > > in charts, of individuals and of groups > > > sharing the gruesome > > > > > > > experience in earthly terms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In order to cook and to teach others to > > > cook, there must be > > > > > > recipes > > > > > > > that can be followed and in this particular > > > situation, the > > > > recipes > > > > > > > are missing because most if not all of us > > > have not examined > > > > actual > > > > > > > charts of victims such as these. If we have > > > not, how can we > > > > even > > > > > > > state the drama or reasons behind such > > > cosmic dramas? I was > > > > merely > > > > > > > sounding caution. One of the biggest > > > problems with astrology > > > > is > > > > > > that > > > > > > > it has a illusive logical structure which > > > some would > > > > vehemently > > > > > > deny > > > > > > > and argue against. Quite honestly, years ago > > > when I had a lot > > > > of > > > > > > > bookish knowledge under my belt but little > > > direct experience > > > > and > > > > > > > knowledge of charts, things seemed so easy > > > and logical and was > > > > so > > > > > > > sure that this or that dasha would bring > > > things to focus and > > > > > > > fruition, be it marriage, childbirth etc. > > > The school of hard > > > > > > knocks > > > > > > > soon taught me that what appears in books, > > > old and new is > > > > often > > > > > > not > > > > > > > true and simple or direct logic in terms of > > > yogas etc. > > > > > > mysteriously > > > > > > > does not work in prospective analyses, aka > > > predictive > > > > astrology. > > > > > > It > > > > > > > was not easy when innocence was challenged > > > by nature and > > > > destroyed > > > > > > > and the real learning began. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps like an overprotective older > > > traveller, I wish to > > > > spare > > > > > > the > > > > > > > younger brothers and sisters the pain of > > > disillusionment. This > > > > > > will > > > > > > > make me run against the grain of the > > > established 'religion' of > > > > > > > astrology. So be it! > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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