The Maya (delusion -- not illusion!) in mainstream astrology.

[Guest guest]

Some members from this list and others have in private email abused

me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

(hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing for a

personal plug! ... ;-)

 

"Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in an

unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is not

always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly possible.

These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if there

is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as the

perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from time

to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when astro-

indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts, that

gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider and

the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or perhaps it

is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums of

destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

indianest com)

 

RR

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini Jee,

 

I am sorry to hear this. This happens. Even I had to leave a list for

being insulted in a subtle but serious way, from the moderator as she

was being very injust to me, being partial about someone she likes. I

tried to make my point very humbly and logcially, and my discussion

mate gradually get insulting towards me... trying to pinch me about

my young age etc. (by the way she is not much elder than me) it is

all pity...

 

It was a discussion about saturn where my "fault" or "crime" was to

state that >saturn is generally considered as most malefic planet and

saturn causes great harms most of the times.<

 

Interestingly, the moderator herself was kicked off from Gjlist for

abusing learned people in personal way... then she again joins as she

gets another email address... and occasionally posts ! Mr Goravani is

a kind person that he did not again boot her (with respect)

 

She was booted from Gjlist and that was the reason for creation of

her own list! I know so many learned people who left her list or

either booted from her list, anyone saying anything opposing her.

 

Thankfully toward God, the creation of this JR was not for any

shameful event but just for helping others. The list she is so proud

of, and the list she uses to dominate "her world" and attains self

satisfaction from that, is stuck with less than 600 member today

while JR, for Gods grace, is going to have 2000 members soon.

 

It is all Gods grace.

 

There was times when I liked her a lot for her suppossed sympathy for

all, and I wrote a lot of mails sharing personal views etc., also I

sought her help when I was in relationship problems etc... but things

change. Today I am a lot better because it is the God who has allowed

happiness to me for at least now.

 

Tanvir.

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Some members from this list and others have in private email abused

> me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing for a

> personal plug! ... ;-)

>

> "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in an

> unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

not

> always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly possible.

> These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if there

> is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as the

> perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

time

> to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

astro-

> indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts, that

> gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

and

> the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or perhaps

it

> is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums of

> destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> indianest com)

>

> RR

[Guest guest]

Dear sirs,

In the INTERNET astrology such things happen.

Take it easy.

Inder

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini Jee,

>

> I am sorry to hear this. This happens. Even I had to leave a list

for

> being insulted in a subtle but serious way, from the moderator as

she

> was being very injust to me, being partial about someone she

likes. I

> tried to make my point very humbly and logcially, and my

discussion

> mate gradually get insulting towards me... trying to pinch me

about

> my young age etc. (by the way she is not much elder than me) it is

> all pity...

>

> It was a discussion about saturn where my "fault" or "crime" was

to

> state that >saturn is generally considered as most malefic planet

and

> saturn causes great harms most of the times.<

>

> Interestingly, the moderator herself was kicked off from Gjlist

for

> abusing learned people in personal way... then she again joins as

she

> gets another email address... and occasionally posts ! Mr Goravani

is

> a kind person that he did not again boot her (with respect)

>

> She was booted from Gjlist and that was the reason for creation of

> her own list! I know so many learned people who left her list or

> either booted from her list, anyone saying anything opposing her.

>

> Thankfully toward God, the creation of this JR was not for any

> shameful event but just for helping others. The list she is so

proud

> of, and the list she uses to dominate "her world" and attains self

> satisfaction from that, is stuck with less than 600 member today

> while JR, for Gods grace, is going to have 2000 members soon.

>

> It is all Gods grace.

>

> There was times when I liked her a lot for her suppossed sympathy

for

> all, and I wrote a lot of mails sharing personal views etc., also

I

> sought her help when I was in relationship problems etc... but

things

> change. Today I am a lot better because it is the God who has

allowed

> happiness to me for at least now.

>

> Tanvir.

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Some members from this list and others have in private email

abused

> > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing

for a

> > personal plug! ... ;-)

> >

> > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in

an

> > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

> not

> > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly

possible.

> > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

there

> > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as

the

> > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

> time

> > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> astro-

> > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts,

that

> > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

> and

> > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or

perhaps

> it

> > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums

of

> > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> > indianest com)

> >

> > RR

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your kindness. I think I know who you were talking

about, I have heard a few complaints from a couple of my students

as well.

 

It has been a sensitive issue with astrologers of all cloth. They

make tall claims and try to show as if their technique or system or

whatever is 100% correct or better than some other system. The maya

of astrology as I call it!

 

RR

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini Jee,

>

> I am sorry to hear this. This happens. Even I had to leave a list

for

> being insulted in a subtle but serious way, from the moderator as

she

> was being very injust to me, being partial about someone she likes.

I

> tried to make my point very humbly and logcially, and my discussion

> mate gradually get insulting towards me... trying to pinch me about

> my young age etc. (by the way she is not much elder than me) it is

> all pity...

>

> It was a discussion about saturn where my "fault" or "crime" was to

> state that >saturn is generally considered as most malefic planet

and

> saturn causes great harms most of the times.<

>

> Interestingly, the moderator herself was kicked off from Gjlist for

> abusing learned people in personal way... then she again joins as

she

> gets another email address... and occasionally posts ! Mr Goravani

is

> a kind person that he did not again boot her (with respect)

>

> She was booted from Gjlist and that was the reason for creation of

> her own list! I know so many learned people who left her list or

> either booted from her list, anyone saying anything opposing her.

>

> Thankfully toward God, the creation of this JR was not for any

> shameful event but just for helping others. The list she is so proud

> of, and the list she uses to dominate "her world" and attains self

> satisfaction from that, is stuck with less than 600 member today

> while JR, for Gods grace, is going to have 2000 members soon.

>

> It is all Gods grace.

>

> There was times when I liked her a lot for her suppossed sympathy

for

> all, and I wrote a lot of mails sharing personal views etc., also I

> sought her help when I was in relationship problems etc... but

things

> change. Today I am a lot better because it is the God who has

allowed

> happiness to me for at least now.

>

> Tanvir.

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Some members from this list and others have in private email

abused

> > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing for

a

> > personal plug! ... ;-)

> >

> > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in an

> > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

> not

> > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly possible.

> > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

there

> > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as the

> > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

> time

> > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> astro-

> > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts, that

> > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

> and

> > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or perhaps

> it

> > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums

of

> > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> > indianest com)

> >

> > RR

[Guest guest]

Okay ;-)

 

RR

 

, "Inder" <indervohra2001>

wrote:

> Dear sirs,

> In the INTERNET astrology such things happen.

> Take it easy.

> Inder

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Dear Rohini Jee,

> >

> > I am sorry to hear this. This happens. Even I had to leave a list

> for

> > being insulted in a subtle but serious way, from the moderator as

> she

> > was being very injust to me, being partial about someone she

> likes. I

> > tried to make my point very humbly and logcially, and my

> discussion

> > mate gradually get insulting towards me... trying to pinch me

> about

> > my young age etc. (by the way she is not much elder than me) it is

> > all pity...

> >

> > It was a discussion about saturn where my "fault" or "crime" was

> to

> > state that >saturn is generally considered as most malefic planet

> and

> > saturn causes great harms most of the times.<

> >

> > Interestingly, the moderator herself was kicked off from Gjlist

> for

> > abusing learned people in personal way... then she again joins as

> she

> > gets another email address... and occasionally posts ! Mr Goravani

> is

> > a kind person that he did not again boot her (with respect)

> >

> > She was booted from Gjlist and that was the reason for creation of

> > her own list! I know so many learned people who left her list or

> > either booted from her list, anyone saying anything opposing her.

> >

> > Thankfully toward God, the creation of this JR was not for any

> > shameful event but just for helping others. The list she is so

> proud

> > of, and the list she uses to dominate "her world" and attains self

> > satisfaction from that, is stuck with less than 600 member today

> > while JR, for Gods grace, is going to have 2000 members soon.

> >

> > It is all Gods grace.

> >

> > There was times when I liked her a lot for her suppossed sympathy

> for

> > all, and I wrote a lot of mails sharing personal views etc., also

> I

> > sought her help when I was in relationship problems etc... but

> things

> > change. Today I am a lot better because it is the God who has

> allowed

> > happiness to me for at least now.

> >

> > Tanvir.

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Some members from this list and others have in private email

> abused

> > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> > > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing

> for a

> > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > >

> > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in

> an

> > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

> > not

> > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly

> possible.

> > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

> there

> > > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as

> the

> > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

> > time

> > > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> > astro-

> > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts,

> that

> > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

> > and

> > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or

> perhaps

> > it

> > > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums

> of

> > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> > > indianest com)

> > >

> > > RR

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan Kaku,,

 

I am so sorry to hear this. But there are more people who respect

you than a few who are jealous and cannot tolarate your

straightforwardness.

 

regards

Manoshi

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Thanks for your kindness. I think I know who you were talking

> about, I have heard a few complaints from a couple of my students

> as well.

>

> It has been a sensitive issue with astrologers of all cloth. They

> make tall claims and try to show as if their technique or system

or

> whatever is 100% correct or better than some other system. The

maya

> of astrology as I call it!

>

> RR

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Dear Rohini Jee,

> >

> > I am sorry to hear this. This happens. Even I had to leave a

list

> for

> > being insulted in a subtle but serious way, from the moderator

as

> she

> > was being very injust to me, being partial about someone she

likes.

> I

> > tried to make my point very humbly and logcially, and my

discussion

> > mate gradually get insulting towards me... trying to pinch me

about

> > my young age etc. (by the way she is not much elder than me) it

is

> > all pity...

> >

> > It was a discussion about saturn where my "fault" or "crime" was

to

> > state that >saturn is generally considered as most malefic

planet

> and

> > saturn causes great harms most of the times.<

> >

> > Interestingly, the moderator herself was kicked off from Gjlist

for

> > abusing learned people in personal way... then she again joins

as

> she

> > gets another email address... and occasionally posts ! Mr

Goravani

> is

> > a kind person that he did not again boot her (with respect)

> >

> > She was booted from Gjlist and that was the reason for creation

of

> > her own list! I know so many learned people who left her list or

> > either booted from her list, anyone saying anything opposing her.

> >

> > Thankfully toward God, the creation of this JR was not for any

> > shameful event but just for helping others. The list she is so

proud

> > of, and the list she uses to dominate "her world" and attains

self

> > satisfaction from that, is stuck with less than 600 member today

> > while JR, for Gods grace, is going to have 2000 members soon.

> >

> > It is all Gods grace.

> >

> > There was times when I liked her a lot for her suppossed

sympathy

> for

> > all, and I wrote a lot of mails sharing personal views etc.,

also I

> > sought her help when I was in relationship problems etc... but

> things

> > change. Today I am a lot better because it is the God who has

> allowed

> > happiness to me for at least now.

> >

> > Tanvir.

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Some members from this list and others have in private email

> abused

> > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told

me

> > > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing

for

> a

> > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > >

> > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in

an

> > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules

of

> > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it

is

> > not

> > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly

possible.

> > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

> there

> > > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as

the

> > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for

from

> > time

> > > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> > astro-

> > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one

the

> > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for

useful

> > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts,

that

> > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open

wider

> > and

> > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or

perhaps

> > it

> > > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the

drums

> of

> > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild

and

> > > indianest com)

> > >

> > > RR

[Guest guest]

Hello Rohini ji,

It is rather be more promising if such people

mentioned by you could realize the importance of knowledge. It is

often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of knowledge.

Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where the eyes are

covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we do have to

accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this world and so the

qualities also differ. People who have pride for their social or

occupational position would have little wisdom to truly acknowledge

the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to live with the fact

that such people will exist(be it on internet forums or in real life)

but once we climb and look towards the other side of the mountain we

can see a garden of roses full of experience whose fragence teaches

us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one thing roses do

come with thorns.

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Some members from this list and others have in private email abused

> me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing for a

> personal plug! ... ;-)

>

> "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in an

> unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

not

> always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly possible.

> These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if there

> is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as the

> perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

time

> to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

astro-

> indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts, that

> gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

and

> the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or perhaps

it

> is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums of

> destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> indianest com)

>

> RR

[Guest guest]

Hi Rohiniranjan,

 

Think about it this way. You obviously rattled those people enough

that they had to prove their worth, by bringing in irrelevant info

like their powerful positions, i.e. you made them sit up and take

notice! They must have started out with the feeling that they knew

it all, and now you come along, poking holes in their complacency :-

). The first step to acquiring knowledge is to figure out that you

don't have that knowledge yet, and you've accomplished that for

them! Now, if they are smart, they will take the next step of trying

to acquire this... :-) let's say you've led the horse to the water!

 

Sreelatha

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Hello Rohini ji,

> It is rather be more promising if such people

> mentioned by you could realize the importance of knowledge. It is

> often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of knowledge.

> Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where the eyes are

> covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we do have to

> accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this world and so

the

> qualities also differ. People who have pride for their social or

> occupational position would have little wisdom to truly

acknowledge

> the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to live with the

fact

> that such people will exist(be it on internet forums or in real

life)

> but once we climb and look towards the other side of the mountain

we

> can see a garden of roses full of experience whose fragence

teaches

> us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one thing roses

do

> come with thorns.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Some members from this list and others have in private email

abused

> > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing

for a

> > personal plug! ... ;-)

> >

> > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in

an

> > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

> not

> > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly

possible.

> > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

there

> > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as

the

> > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

> time

> > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> astro-

> > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts,

that

> > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

> and

> > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or

perhaps

> it

> > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums

of

> > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> > indianest com)

> >

> > RR

[Guest guest]

I suppose you are right. I should have been careful and stayed on

one side of the horse rather than get behind it!

 

RR

 

, "Venkatarama Sreelatha"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> Hi Rohiniranjan,

>

> Think about it this way. You obviously rattled those people enough

> that they had to prove their worth, by bringing in irrelevant info

> like their powerful positions, i.e. you made them sit up and take

> notice! They must have started out with the feeling that they knew

> it all, and now you come along, poking holes in their complacency :-

> ). The first step to acquiring knowledge is to figure out that you

> don't have that knowledge yet, and you've accomplished that for

> them! Now, if they are smart, they will take the next step of trying

> to acquire this... :-) let's say you've led the horse to the water!

>

> Sreelatha

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Hello Rohini ji,

> > It is rather be more promising if such people

> > mentioned by you could realize the importance of knowledge. It is

> > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of knowledge.

> > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where the eyes are

> > covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we do have to

> > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this world and so

> the

> > qualities also differ. People who have pride for their social or

> > occupational position would have little wisdom to truly

> acknowledge

> > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to live with the

> fact

> > that such people will exist(be it on internet forums or in real

> life)

> > but once we climb and look towards the other side of the mountain

> we

> > can see a garden of roses full of experience whose fragence

> teaches

> > us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one thing roses

> do

> > come with thorns.

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Some members from this list and others have in private email

> abused

> > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before they told me

> > > about their own socially and occupationally powerful positions

> > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from apologizing

> for a

> > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > >

> > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their writings, almost in

> an

> > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if the rules of

> > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time. However, it is

> > not

> > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate birth times,

> > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer would personally

> > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the rules of

> > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases, despite all

> > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and honestly

> possible.

> > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop and wonder if

> there

> > > is something beyond the ignorance of the astrologer as well as

> the

> > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be accounted for from

> > time

> > > to time. With that always kept in the back of one's mind, when

> > astro-

> > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it gives one the

> > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a tool for useful

> > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the `difficult' charts,

> that

> > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with eyes open wider

> > and

> > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny poses or

> perhaps

> > it

> > > is the expression of freedom of choice that challenges the drums

> of

> > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser Valley guild and

> > > indianest com)

> > >

> > > RR

[Guest guest]

Just to share .. I never felt RRji even criticized

anything ... it's more of "Remember certainity in this

uncertain world is like judging the thickness/contents

of a book after reading the preface" which is just a

reminder to take the pains of reading the pages while

we span the unknown from the stand point of known !!

 

I dont see any scope for ego, thorns here ... I should

however admit, its very difficult to differ from

someones view point without potentially agitating them

!!

 

Luckily no one on this group is blind to reason !!

 

--- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote:

> Hello Rohini ji,

> It is rather be more promising if

> such people

> mentioned by you could realize the importance of

> knowledge. It is

> often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of

> knowledge.

> Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where

> the eyes are

> covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we

> do have to

> accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this

> world and so the

> qualities also differ. People who have pride for

> their social or

> occupational position would have little wisdom to

> truly acknowledge

> the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to

> live with the fact

> that such people will exist(be it on internet forums

> or in real life)

> but once we climb and look towards the other side of

> the mountain we

> can see a garden of roses full of experience whose

> fragence teaches

> us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one

> thing roses do

> come with thorns.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> ,

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Some members from this list and others have in

> private email abused

> > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before

> they told me

> > about their own socially and occupationally

> powerful positions

> > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from

> apologizing for a

> > personal plug! ... ;-)

> >

> > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> writings, almost in an

> > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if

> the rules of

> > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time.

> However, it is

> not

> > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate

> birth times,

> > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer

> would personally

> > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the

> rules of

> > astrology do not work predictably in those cases,

> despite all

> > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and

> honestly possible.

> > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop

> and wonder if there

> > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> astrologer as well as the

> > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> accounted for from

> time

> > to time. With that always kept in the back of

> one's mind, when

> astro-

> > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it

> gives one the

> > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a

> tool for useful

> > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> `difficult' charts, that

> > gives one the reason to pursue even further with

> eyes open wider

> and

> > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny

> poses or perhaps

> it

> > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> challenges the drums of

> > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser

> Valley guild and

> > indianest com)

> >

> > RR

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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--- Venkatarama Sreelatha

<venkatarama_sastry wrote:

> Hi Rohiniranjan,

>

> Think about it this way. You obviously rattled those

> people enough

> that they had to prove their worth, by bringing in

> irrelevant info

> like their powerful positions, i.e. you made them

> sit up and take

> notice! They must have started out with the feeling

> that they knew

> it all, and now you come along, poking holes in

> their complacency :-

> ). The first step to acquiring knowledge is to

> figure out that you

> don't have that knowledge yet, and you've

> accomplished that for

> them! Now, if they are smart, they will take the

> next step of trying

> to acquire this... :-) let's say you've led the

> horse to the water!

>

> Sreelatha

>

> , "Gaurav

> Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Hello Rohini ji,

> > It is rather be more promising if

> such people

> > mentioned by you could realize the importance of

> knowledge. It is

> > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form

> of knowledge.

> > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face

> where the eyes are

> > covered with mud of superority. The irony is that

> we do have to

> > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in

> this world and so

> the

> > qualities also differ. People who have pride for

> their social or

> > occupational position would have little wisdom to

> truly

> acknowledge

> > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to

> live with the

> fact

> > that such people will exist(be it on internet

> forums or in real

> life)

> > but once we climb and look towards the other side

> of the mountain

> we

> > can see a garden of roses full of experience whose

> fragence

> teaches

> > us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget

> one thing roses

> do

> > come with thorns.

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> > ,

> "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Some members from this list and others have in

> private email

> abused

> > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just

> before they told me

> > > about their own socially and occupationally

> powerful positions

> > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me

> from apologizing

> for a

> > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > >

> > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> writings, almost in

> an

> > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as

> if the rules of

> > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each

> time. However, it is

> > not

> > > always true and even after weeding out

> inaccurate birth times,

> > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer

> would personally

> > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because

> the rules of

> > > astrology do not work predictably in those

> cases, despite all

> > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and

> honestly

> possible.

> > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop

> and wonder if

> there

> > > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> astrologer as well as

> the

> > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> accounted for from

> > time

> > > to time. With that always kept in the back of

> one's mind, when

> > astro-

> > > indications do behave in a predictable manner,

> it gives one the

> > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a

> tool for useful

> > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> `difficult' charts,

> that

> > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with

> eyes open wider

> > and

> > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny

> poses or

> perhaps

> > it

> > > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> challenges the drums

> of

> > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser

> Valley guild and

> > > indianest com)

> > >

> > > RR

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Exactly! You made it really worth my efforts! Thanks!

 

RR

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Just to share .. I never felt RRji even criticized

> anything ... it's more of "Remember certainity in this

> uncertain world is like judging the thickness/contents

> of a book after reading the preface" which is just a

> reminder to take the pains of reading the pages while

> we span the unknown from the stand point of known !!

>

> I dont see any scope for ego, thorns here ... I should

> however admit, its very difficult to differ from

> someones view point without potentially agitating them

> !!

>

> Luckily no one on this group is blind to reason !!

>

> --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Hello Rohini ji,

> > It is rather be more promising if

> > such people

> > mentioned by you could realize the importance of

> > knowledge. It is

> > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of

> > knowledge.

> > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where

> > the eyes are

> > covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we

> > do have to

> > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this

> > world and so the

> > qualities also differ. People who have pride for

> > their social or

> > occupational position would have little wisdom to

> > truly acknowledge

> > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to

> > live with the fact

> > that such people will exist(be it on internet forums

> > or in real life)

> > but once we climb and look towards the other side of

> > the mountain we

> > can see a garden of roses full of experience whose

> > fragence teaches

> > us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one

> > thing roses do

> > come with thorns.

> >

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> >

> > ,

> > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Some members from this list and others have in

> > private email abused

> > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before

> > they told me

> > > about their own socially and occupationally

> > powerful positions

> > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from

> > apologizing for a

> > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > >

> > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> > writings, almost in an

> > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if

> > the rules of

> > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time.

> > However, it is

> > not

> > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate

> > birth times,

> > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer

> > would personally

> > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the

> > rules of

> > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases,

> > despite all

> > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and

> > honestly possible.

> > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop

> > and wonder if there

> > > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> > astrologer as well as the

> > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> > accounted for from

> > time

> > > to time. With that always kept in the back of

> > one's mind, when

> > astro-

> > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it

> > gives one the

> > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a

> > tool for useful

> > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> > `difficult' charts, that

> > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with

> > eyes open wider

> > and

> > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny

> > poses or perhaps

> > it

> > > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> > challenges the drums of

> > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser

> > Valley guild and

> > > indianest com)

> > >

> > > RR

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello Surya,

Even i do believe that Rohini ji didnt criticize

anything. But how many else will do who are more interested in their

superiority of knowledge with their own world of reason?

 

Gaurav

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Exactly! You made it really worth my efforts! Thanks!

>

> RR

>

> , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Just to share .. I never felt RRji even criticized

> > anything ... it's more of "Remember certainity in this

> > uncertain world is like judging the thickness/contents

> > of a book after reading the preface" which is just a

> > reminder to take the pains of reading the pages while

> > we span the unknown from the stand point of known !!

> >

> > I dont see any scope for ego, thorns here ... I should

> > however admit, its very difficult to differ from

> > someones view point without potentially agitating them

> > !!

> >

> > Luckily no one on this group is blind to reason !!

> >

> > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > Hello Rohini ji,

> > > It is rather be more promising if

> > > such people

> > > mentioned by you could realize the importance of

> > > knowledge. It is

> > > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of

> > > knowledge.

> > > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where

> > > the eyes are

> > > covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we

> > > do have to

> > > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this

> > > world and so the

> > > qualities also differ. People who have pride for

> > > their social or

> > > occupational position would have little wisdom to

> > > truly acknowledge

> > > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to

> > > live with the fact

> > > that such people will exist(be it on internet forums

> > > or in real life)

> > > but once we climb and look towards the other side of

> > > the mountain we

> > > can see a garden of roses full of experience whose

> > > fragence teaches

> > > us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one

> > > thing roses do

> > > come with thorns.

> > >

> > >

> > > Gaurav

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Some members from this list and others have in

> > > private email abused

> > > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before

> > > they told me

> > > > about their own socially and occupationally

> > > powerful positions

> > > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from

> > > apologizing for a

> > > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > > >

> > > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> > > writings, almost in an

> > > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if

> > > the rules of

> > > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time.

> > > However, it is

> > > not

> > > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate

> > > birth times,

> > > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer

> > > would personally

> > > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the

> > > rules of

> > > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases,

> > > despite all

> > > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and

> > > honestly possible.

> > > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop

> > > and wonder if there

> > > > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> > > astrologer as well as the

> > > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> > > accounted for from

> > > time

> > > > to time. With that always kept in the back of

> > > one's mind, when

> > > astro-

> > > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it

> > > gives one the

> > > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a

> > > tool for useful

> > > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> > > `difficult' charts, that

> > > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with

> > > eyes open wider

> > > and

> > > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny

> > > poses or perhaps

> > > it

> > > > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> > > challenges the drums of

> > > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser

> > > Valley guild and

> > > > indianest com)

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone.

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Please friends, let us move on ...

 

 

Thanks!

 

RR

 

 

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Hello Surya,

> Even i do believe that Rohini ji didnt criticize

> anything. But how many else will do who are more interested in

their

> superiority of knowledge with their own world of reason?

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Exactly! You made it really worth my efforts! Thanks!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , surya vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Just to share .. I never felt RRji even criticized

> > > anything ... it's more of "Remember certainity in this

> > > uncertain world is like judging the thickness/contents

> > > of a book after reading the preface" which is just a

> > > reminder to take the pains of reading the pages while

> > > we span the unknown from the stand point of known !!

> > >

> > > I dont see any scope for ego, thorns here ... I should

> > > however admit, its very difficult to differ from

> > > someones view point without potentially agitating them

> > > !!

> > >

> > > Luckily no one on this group is blind to reason !!

> > >

> > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rohini ji,

> > > > It is rather be more promising if

> > > > such people

> > > > mentioned by you could realize the importance of

> > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a form of

> > > > knowledge.

> > > > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face where

> > > > the eyes are

> > > > covered with mud of superority. The irony is that we

> > > > do have to

> > > > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in this

> > > > world and so the

> > > > qualities also differ. People who have pride for

> > > > their social or

> > > > occupational position would have little wisdom to

> > > > truly acknowledge

> > > > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have to

> > > > live with the fact

> > > > that such people will exist(be it on internet forums

> > > > or in real life)

> > > > but once we climb and look towards the other side of

> > > > the mountain we

> > > > can see a garden of roses full of experience whose

> > > > fragence teaches

> > > > us a new leason every time. And let`s not forget one

> > > > thing roses do

> > > > come with thorns.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gaurav

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Some members from this list and others have in

> > > > private email abused

> > > > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just before

> > > > they told me

> > > > > about their own socially and occupationally

> > > > powerful positions

> > > > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me from

> > > > apologizing for a

> > > > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> > > > writings, almost in an

> > > > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly as if

> > > > the rules of

> > > > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each time.

> > > > However, it is

> > > > not

> > > > > always true and even after weeding out inaccurate

> > > > birth times,

> > > > > ayanamshas and other factors, each astrologer

> > > > would personally

> > > > > experience difficult charts. Difficult because the

> > > > rules of

> > > > > astrology do not work predictably in those cases,

> > > > despite all

> > > > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly and

> > > > honestly possible.

> > > > > These charts provide one an opportunity to stop

> > > > and wonder if there

> > > > > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> > > > astrologer as well as the

> > > > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> > > > accounted for from

> > > > time

> > > > > to time. With that always kept in the back of

> > > > one's mind, when

> > > > astro-

> > > > > indications do behave in a predictable manner, it

> > > > gives one the

> > > > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology as a

> > > > tool for useful

> > > > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> > > > `difficult' charts, that

> > > > > gives one the reason to pursue even further with

> > > > eyes open wider

> > > > and

> > > > > the mind energized by the challenge that destiny

> > > > poses or perhaps

> > > > it

> > > > > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> > > > challenges the drums of

> > > > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on Fraser

> > > > Valley guild and

> > > > > indianest com)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Very few gaurav !! .. In our case I think it's the

limitation of look at each other from a window and a

few key strokes and tryng to udnerstand the intent of

the other person !!!

 

i have something really interesting from my side

coming up for u guys .. pretty soon !!

 

Gaurav u remind of one of my best friends .. ...

 

 

--- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote:

> Hello Surya,

> Even i do believe that Rohini ji didnt

> criticize

> anything. But how many else will do who are more

> interested in their

> superiority of knowledge with their own world of

> reason?

>

> Gaurav

>

>

> ,

> "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Exactly! You made it really worth my efforts!

> Thanks!

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , surya

> vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Just to share .. I never felt RRji even

> criticized

> > > anything ... it's more of "Remember certainity

> in this

> > > uncertain world is like judging the

> thickness/contents

> > > of a book after reading the preface" which is

> just a

> > > reminder to take the pains of reading the pages

> while

> > > we span the unknown from the stand point of

> known !!

> > >

> > > I dont see any scope for ego, thorns here ... I

> should

> > > however admit, its very difficult to differ from

> > > someones view point without potentially

> agitating them

> > > !!

> > >

> > > Luckily no one on this group is blind to reason

> !!

> > >

> > > --- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > Hello Rohini ji,

> > > > It is rather be more promising

> if

> > > > such people

> > > > mentioned by you could realize the importance

> of

> > > > knowledge. It is

> > > > often ignorned but to me criticism is also a

> form of

> > > > knowledge.

> > > > Perhaps we should take their stance as a face

> where

> > > > the eyes are

> > > > covered with mud of superority. The irony is

> that we

> > > > do have to

> > > > accept one fact that not everyone is a twin in

> this

> > > > world and so the

> > > > qualities also differ. People who have pride

> for

> > > > their social or

> > > > occupational position would have little wisdom

> to

> > > > truly acknowledge

> > > > the knowledge of someone else. Perhaps we have

> to

> > > > live with the fact

> > > > that such people will exist(be it on internet

> forums

> > > > or in real life)

> > > > but once we climb and look towards the other

> side of

> > > > the mountain we

> > > > can see a garden of roses full of experience

> whose

> > > > fragence teaches

> > > > us a new leason every time. And let`s not

> forget one

> > > > thing roses do

> > > > come with thorns.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Gaurav

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Some members from this list and others have

> in

> > > > private email abused

> > > > > me and called me egotistical, arrogant just

> before

> > > > they told me

> > > > > about their own socially and occupationally

> > > > powerful positions

> > > > > (hmm!!), so what the hey! Now, that saved me

> from

> > > > apologizing for a

> > > > > personal plug! ... ;-)

> > > > >

> > > > > "Astrology writers tend to depict in their

> > > > writings, almost in an

> > > > > unsaid subtle manner, and sometimes directly

> as if

> > > > the rules of

> > > > > astrology are rigid and work perfectly each

> time.

> > > > However, it is

> > > > not

> > > > > always true and even after weeding out

> inaccurate

> > > > birth times,

> > > > > ayanamshas and other factors, each

> astrologer

> > > > would personally

> > > > > experience difficult charts. Difficult

> because the

> > > > rules of

> > > > > astrology do not work predictably in those

> cases,

> > > > despite all

> > > > > corrections and fixing and tweaking humanly

> and

> > > > honestly possible.

> > > > > These charts provide one an opportunity to

> stop

> > > > and wonder if there

> > > > > is something beyond the ignorance of the

> > > > astrologer as well as the

> > > > > perfection of astrology, that may need to be

> > > > accounted for from

> > > > time

> > > > > to time. With that always kept in the back

> of

> > > > one's mind, when

> > > > astro-

> > > > > indications do behave in a predictable

> manner, it

> > > > gives one the

> > > > > satisfaction and reason to pursue astrology

> as a

> > > > tool for useful

> > > > > advice. But, when one gets stymied by the

> > > > `difficult' charts, that

> > > > > gives one the reason to pursue even further

> with

> > > > eyes open wider

> > > > and

> > > > > the mind energized by the challenge that

> destiny

> > > > poses or perhaps

> > > > it

> > > > > is the expression of freedom of choice that

> > > > challenges the drums of

> > > > > destiny!" (from a copyrighted article on

> Fraser

> > > > Valley guild and

> > > > > indianest com)

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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