Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Dear members, I do have a very close person in my family who has Mars in Libra the 8th house, which is inimical for the native. My personal experience is quite intense, as Mars does incline the person to speak offensively, especially when in bad mood. Mar's influence in the native's speech and words are strong, but rather impulsive. After a while, the influence subsides. I can strongly relate to Sriman Tanvir's explanation, but isn't it true there is an exception. Mercury (specially in it's own sign) results in a very balance chart when placed in the 8th. I was told it is because of Mercury's neutral nature. Can anybody please shed some more light on this point? Thank you. Kind regards, Roy - "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana <> Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:34 AM Re: Significance Eighth Lord > Very very good question. If you can be clearly understood about THESE > SORT of concepts you will be able to see what is actually happening > in the charts. > > 1. IN GENERAL, - > > A. exalted 8th lord is more harmful than a "normal" 8th lord, i.e. in > friendly or inimical sign etc. > > B. But a fallen 8th lord is more harmful than an exalted 8th lord. > > 2. But this is NOT all. Because the diplomacy lies in 8th lord NOT > influencing (joining/aspecting/star dispositing) any planets BUT is > getting strongly influenced (aspected, star disposited) by the good > planets i.e. lords of 5th, 9th, Jupiter etc. (Where Jupiter itself is > not someone evil.) 8th house is also getting aspected by these good > planets and no planets in the 8th house. > > I would also like that 8th lord does not rule a good house same time > i.e. houses 1st, 5th, 9th etc., not even the 7th. > > So the main diplomacy is in the point # 2, I would not prefer a weak > or normally strong 8th lord, then I would miss the good things a > strong 8th lord offers. But same time a strong 8th lord full filling > the conditions of # 2 would ensure the minimum harms with maximum > benefits possible. > > Regards > Tanvir. > > > , "Rajat Bhatia" > <bentleyclothing> wrote: > > > > Dear Raghu and List Members, > > > > The question asked is whether a strong 8th lord will be more malefic > > and a weaker 8th lord less malefic ? > > > > Let's try to analayse this Query : > > > > Opinion One :Temporal Malefics if weak and debilitated are rendered > > weak and without strength, thus unable to create problems. Thus, > their > > being weak is good and it sometimes also results in what we call > > Vipareet Rajyoga.Whereas, exalted or strong temporal malefics will > > cause exalted problems. > > > > Opinion Two :Though both weak and strong temporal malefics will > create > > problems but a temporal malefic planet that is weak and afflicted > will > > cause more problems whereas a malefic planet that is well placed and > > strong will be better in certain ways. Thus, strength of the planet > > may make it nobler in some ways. > > > > As per Opinion 1 : > > > > If we look at Lord Rama's Chart, Saturn, the exalted 8th lord placed > > in 4th house of mother and maid servant and aspecting the lagna was > > behind the conspiracy caused by Manthra(maid) and Kakeyi(step > mother) > > for His exile.Thus, exalted 8th lord was very bad in this case. > > > > As per Opinion 2 : > > > > Exalted temporal malefics will create problems but these problems > and > > adversities will be taken lightly by the native and thus not effect > > him that seriously.For example, exalted Venus for Sagitarius Lagna > or > > Pisces lagna may create problems, but the native will remain unmoved > > by them. Venus in Picess Lagna may create accident(8th house) like > > situations for the native, but the native will not be much effected > by > > them. > > > > Conclusion : It is better for the 8th lord to be weaker > comparatively. > > Its like a coin with two sides. Thus 8th lord placed in a kendra > can > > be good for longevity, inheritance, occult studies etc, however, the > > obstacles too will be manifold. > > > > Further, natural benfics like Jupiter and Venus are less malefic as > > 8th lord in comparison to Natural Malefics like Saturn or Mars. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rajat > > > > , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> > wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > I was pondering if the eight lord being the owner of the malefic > > > eighth house should be powerful or weak which would reduce his > > > malefic effects also, does the placement of the malefic 8th lord > in > > > a benefic house such as 5th destroy the 5th house effects and > > > increases his malefic effects, also would it be better to have a > > > natural benefic such as venus etc as th 8th lord or a natural > > > malefic such as kuja? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Raghu > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 You are very right. mercury has something to do with adversing 8th lord and house. I have came across this situation in Neeraj bhai's chart where I have analyzed it as per my little knowledge and explained his experiences. A great deal of importance I put into a planets own nature always. Kindly judge the nature of the 8th house, and compare it with the OWN NATURE of mercury, try all sort of key words, and then I am sure you will be able to see it. Please give it a try and then tell us the result from your own. All the best, Tanvir. , "Roy Kamiki" <nutrideias@n...> wrote: > Dear members, > > I do have a very close person in my family who has Mars in Libra the 8th > house, which is inimical for the native. My personal experience is quite > intense, as Mars does incline the person to speak offensively, especially > when in bad mood. Mar's influence in the native's speech and words are > strong, but rather impulsive. After a while, the influence subsides. > > I can strongly relate to Sriman Tanvir's explanation, but isn't it true > there is an exception. Mercury (specially in it's own sign) results in a > very balance chart when placed in the 8th. I was told it is because of > Mercury's neutral nature. > > Can anybody please shed some more light on this point? Thank you. > > Kind regards, > Roy > > > > > - > "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> > <> > Tuesday, July 20, 2004 4:34 AM > Re: Significance Eighth Lord > > > > Very very good question. If you can be clearly understood about THESE > > SORT of concepts you will be able to see what is actually happening > > in the charts. > > > > 1. IN GENERAL, - > > > > A. exalted 8th lord is more harmful than a "normal" 8th lord, i.e. in > > friendly or inimical sign etc. > > > > B. But a fallen 8th lord is more harmful than an exalted 8th lord. > > > > 2. But this is NOT all. Because the diplomacy lies in 8th lord NOT > > influencing (joining/aspecting/star dispositing) any planets BUT is > > getting strongly influenced (aspected, star disposited) by the good > > planets i.e. lords of 5th, 9th, Jupiter etc. (Where Jupiter itself is > > not someone evil.) 8th house is also getting aspected by these good > > planets and no planets in the 8th house. > > > > I would also like that 8th lord does not rule a good house same time > > i.e. houses 1st, 5th, 9th etc., not even the 7th. > > > > So the main diplomacy is in the point # 2, I would not prefer a weak > > or normally strong 8th lord, then I would miss the good things a > > strong 8th lord offers. But same time a strong 8th lord full filling > > the conditions of # 2 would ensure the minimum harms with maximum > > benefits possible. > > > > Regards > > Tanvir. > > > > > > , "Rajat Bhatia" > > <bentleyclothing> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Raghu and List Members, > > > > > > The question asked is whether a strong 8th lord will be more malefic > > > and a weaker 8th lord less malefic ? > > > > > > Let's try to analayse this Query : > > > > > > Opinion One :Temporal Malefics if weak and debilitated are rendered > > > weak and without strength, thus unable to create problems. Thus, > > their > > > being weak is good and it sometimes also results in what we call > > > Vipareet Rajyoga.Whereas, exalted or strong temporal malefics will > > > cause exalted problems. > > > > > > Opinion Two :Though both weak and strong temporal malefics will > > create > > > problems but a temporal malefic planet that is weak and afflicted > > will > > > cause more problems whereas a malefic planet that is well placed and > > > strong will be better in certain ways. Thus, strength of the planet > > > may make it nobler in some ways. > > > > > > As per Opinion 1 : > > > > > > If we look at Lord Rama's Chart, Saturn, the exalted 8th lord placed > > > in 4th house of mother and maid servant and aspecting the lagna was > > > behind the conspiracy caused by Manthra(maid) and Kakeyi(step > > mother) > > > for His exile.Thus, exalted 8th lord was very bad in this case. > > > > > > As per Opinion 2 : > > > > > > Exalted temporal malefics will create problems but these problems > > and > > > adversities will be taken lightly by the native and thus not effect > > > him that seriously.For example, exalted Venus for Sagitarius Lagna > > or > > > Pisces lagna may create problems, but the native will remain unmoved > > > by them. Venus in Picess Lagna may create accident(8th house) like > > > situations for the native, but the native will not be much effected > > by > > > them. > > > > > > Conclusion : It is better for the 8th lord to be weaker > > comparatively. > > > Its like a coin with two sides. Thus 8th lord placed in a kendra > > can > > > be good for longevity, inheritance, occult studies etc, however, the > > > obstacles too will be manifold. > > > > > > Further, natural benfics like Jupiter and Venus are less malefic as > > > 8th lord in comparison to Natural Malefics like Saturn or Mars. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Rajat > > > > > > , "Raghu" <raghu_tillu> > > wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > I was pondering if the eight lord being the owner of the malefic > > > > eighth house should be powerful or weak which would reduce his > > > > malefic effects also, does the placement of the malefic 8th lord > > in > > > > a benefic house such as 5th destroy the 5th house effects and > > > > increases his malefic effects, also would it be better to have a > > > > natural benefic such as venus etc as th 8th lord or a natural > > > > malefic such as kuja? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Raghu > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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