Kumbakonam Incident Sri RR

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Respected Sri RR,

 

Self gets stumped with your language usage which is very rich and versatile.

Having worked for japanese for over 15 years has left a very basic and logical

brain which refuses to enter the maze of complexities .

 

In over last 35 years , undersigned has seen that people/assembly/students

friends who are found to be close , invariably have similar planets.

Many of friends have similar planetary placements/similar planets like

sat/Jup/Mars in same house etc.

Agreed that proper application of data checking is lacking in mass deaths and

disasters, but self will stick to the gun that Birds of the same feather flock

together.

Sometimes they suffer together.

Like shoal of fish being caught in the net/attacked by Dolphins/whales etc.

Safety in numbers sometimes works the other way too.

Well....there are 360 different perspectives to look at a point.

To each his own.

Tunde...Tunde (Munde Munde) Matir bhinna.

Tatvam-Asi

 

 

rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

I approach jyotish and life with two perspectives, dear sir. One

deals with the practical and the other ethereal. While both can be

conceived and understood simultaneously, it is difficult and

confusing to try and describe the two at the same time, hence

sometimes my postings confuse some.

 

In this context (group disasters, group deaths as in an accident

caused by nature or nature's *gift* to planet earth, humans!), the

ethereal take would be to talk about group karma, collective karma

and the dove-tailing that can be found in some descriptions.

However, attractive as these concepts may be and truly embracing

total reality, perhaps, they represent the enjoyment and

understanding of art and art objects. Jyotishis and others must

NEVER lose that perspective.

 

However, there is the other perspective too, of the practical

jyotish. This is akin to the left-brained aspects of art, the

learning and training of the artist whose karma it is to bring the

energy received through the right-brain into expression and sharing

of the beautiful energy that comes through the right-brain and

expressed through the left brain. I am using crude terms, right

brain, left brain, but I am sure wise ones like you would grasp the

meaning. It is like a gourmand, who appreciates exquisite cooking --

now transferring that taste into an expression that makes him or her

cook and reproduce the taste into tangible dishes that others may

also enjoy.

 

This is what hopefully we often discuss here on this practical list.

So, while collective karma might be driving the event in question,

we do not have a good technical handle on how these things show up

in charts, of individuals and of groups sharing the gruesome

experience in earthly terms.

 

In order to cook and to teach others to cook, there must be recipes

that can be followed and in this particular situation, the recipes

are missing because most if not all of us have not examined actual

charts of victims such as these. If we have not, how can we even

state the drama or reasons behind such cosmic dramas? I was merely

sounding caution. One of the biggest problems with astrology is that

it has a illusive logical structure which some would vehemently deny

and argue against. Quite honestly, years ago when I had a lot of

bookish knowledge under my belt but little direct experience and

knowledge of charts, things seemed so easy and logical and was so

sure that this or that dasha would bring things to focus and

fruition, be it marriage, childbirth etc. The school of hard knocks

soon taught me that what appears in books, old and new is often not

true and simple or direct logic in terms of yogas etc. mysteriously

does not work in prospective analyses, aka predictive astrology. It

was not easy when innocence was challenged by nature and destroyed

and the real learning began.

 

Perhaps like an overprotective older traveller, I wish to spare the

younger brothers and sisters the pain of disillusionment. This will

make me run against the grain of the established 'religion' of

astrology. So be it!

 

RR

 

 

 

, "om_tatsat_om"

wrote:

>

>

> Hello Dear RR,

> To differ does not mean to oppose.

>

> Sometimes this being also has deeply thought on this problem.

> The only plausible thing that comes to mind is,

> COLLECTIVE NEGETIVITY .

> When some negetive force comes together with another negetive

force,

> it is possible that there is a synergistic reaction.

> Meaning, 1+1 makes 2 but in synergistic reaction, it can make

1+1=11.

>

> There is , thus a possibility that such a thing should occur.

> Collective state of being is also subject to collective fate.

>

> It is like, a body of villagers being imposed with a collective

> fine/punishment.

> Hope this might give a new perspective to your state of

perspective.

>

> Tatvam-Asi

, "rohiniranjan"

 

> wrote:

> > Questions like these really should make fatalistic astrologers

who

> > believe (publicly or privately) that fate is predestined

and 'atal'

> > (unchangeable), sit up and think.

> >

> > The only way to definitively figure out this puzzle or similar

ones

> > (there is no lack of events, floods, earthquakes, towers,

airplane

> > crashes, wars etc. abound aplenty). However, has any astrologer

> ever

> > looked at or managed to get good quality data of victims of such

> > horrible events and analysed those and come up with a documented

> > report? I have not heard of a single one that methodically looks

at

> > such events. So how can one even opine let alone give a

definitive

> > answer to such a puzzle?

> >

> > Even before that, can astrologers tell the exact moment of

death?

> If

> > they cannot tell the exact moment of death (okay even within a

> > couple of days...) then how can they figure out what caused

death

> in

> > so many with such different charts, etc.? This would be

requirement

> > #1 before your bigger and more complex astrological puzzle can

even

> > be attacked -- even if we do manage to get high quality data of

a

> > sizeable number of victims. And then there is the case that

comes

> to

> > mind from some 15-20 years ago when there was only one survivor

in

> a

> > airplane crash near Japan, a small child. There is also the WWII

> > instance of the pilot who fell down 20000 feet from his fighter

jet

> > and survived.

> >

> > I hope I am not perturbing the status quo by again going against

> the

> > grain or practice followed on this list.

> >

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)"

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Friends, Good Morning to all,

> > >

> > > i am sure all of us must have heard or followed the tragedy

last

> > Friday..,

> > > where a fire accident at a local school in kumbakonam ( tamil

> > nadu) claimed

> > > 90 lives of young & innocent children.

> > >

> > > Yes, Shocking indeed, the whole weekend i spent wondering how

> such

> > > a disaster could not be kept under control & lives saved.

> > >

> > > I was just unable to control myself but ask these questions to

> the

> > group :

> > >

> > > 1. Can such incidents be predicted with astrological tools &

> > analysis?

> > >

> > > 2. certainly, the charts of the 90 kids cannot be the same,

so

> > how come

> > > they met this unfortunate end ??

> > >

> > > Please lets have your thoughts & reading.

> > >

> > > rgds

> > >

> > > Manju

 

 

 

 

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