Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Dear RR, Dont even think of doing a cease fire, because for my part I almost always see the point of view that you present. Most of these are subjective to our experiences and I presume we must first "agree to disagree" because I am sure experience will someday blend esoterics and practical reality into a sweet sour marriage where we endevour for esoterics but learn not to be disillusioned by practicality !! Surya. --- Venkatarama Sreelatha <venkatarama_sastry wrote: > Dear Rohiniranjan, > > Very nicely put. I am impressed by both your > practical and ethereal > sides. > > You've described learning in a nutshell, when you > said "It > > was not easy when innocence was challenged by > nature and destroyed > > and the real learning began." You've learnt a lot > when you start to > see how much you don't know, don't you think! You > reminded me of a > quote from Newton, probably one of the most renowed > physicists of all > times. He once said that he thinks of himself as a > little boy, > playing on the sandy shore, amusing himself with > shells and colored > pebbles, when in front of him was the vast > unexplored ocean, full of > unimaginable treasures! Truly a great man, to have > realised the > limits of his own knowledge, even when the rest of > the world > recognized his genius. At another time, he observed, > "If it seems > like I have seen a little further than most people, > it is because I > have stood on the shoulders of giants." What rare > modesty. > > "Perhaps like an overprotective older traveller, I > wish to spare the > > younger brothers and sisters the pain of > disillusionment. This will > > make me run against the grain of the established > 'religion' of > > astrology. So be it!" > > Yes, I know exactly what you mean. Although your > impulse to spare > others this pain is laudable, my dear friend, our > younger brothers > and sisters will, hopefully, learn from their > astrological > experiences just as you have. > > Sreelatha > > , > "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > I approach jyotish and life with two perspectives, > dear sir. One > > deals with the practical and the other ethereal. > While both can be > > conceived and understood simultaneously, it is > difficult and > > confusing to try and describe the two at the same > time, hence > > sometimes my postings confuse some. > > > > In this context (group disasters, group deaths as > in an accident > > caused by nature or nature's *gift* to planet > earth, humans!), the > > ethereal take would be to talk about group karma, > collective karma > > and the dove-tailing that can be found in some > descriptions. > > However, attractive as these concepts may be and > truly embracing > > total reality, perhaps, they represent the > enjoyment and > > understanding of art and art objects. Jyotishis > and others must > > NEVER lose that perspective. > > > > However, there is the other perspective too, of > the practical > > jyotish. This is akin to the left-brained aspects > of art, the > > learning and training of the artist whose karma it > is to bring the > > energy received through the right-brain into > expression and sharing > > of the beautiful energy that comes through the > right-brain and > > expressed through the left brain. I am using crude > terms, right > > brain, left brain, but I am sure wise ones like > you would grasp the > > meaning. It is like a gourmand, who appreciates > exquisite cooking -- > > > now transferring that taste into an expression > that makes him or > her > > cook and reproduce the taste into tangible dishes > that others may > > also enjoy. > > > > This is what hopefully we often discuss here on > this practical > list. > > So, while collective karma might be driving the > event in question, > > we do not have a good technical handle on how > these things show up > > in charts, of individuals and of groups sharing > the gruesome > > experience in earthly terms. > > > > In order to cook and to teach others to cook, > there must be recipes > > that can be followed and in this particular > situation, the recipes > > are missing because most if not all of us have not > examined actual > > charts of victims such as these. If we have not, > how can we even > > state the drama or reasons behind such cosmic > dramas? I was merely > > sounding caution. One of the biggest problems with > astrology is > that > > it has a illusive logical structure which some > would vehemently > deny > > and argue against. Quite honestly, years ago when > I had a lot of > > bookish knowledge under my belt but little direct > experience and > > knowledge of charts, things seemed so easy and > logical and was so > > sure that this or that dasha would bring things to > focus and > > fruition, be it marriage, childbirth etc. The > school of hard knocks > > soon taught me that what appears in books, old and > new is often not > > true and simple or direct logic in terms of yogas > etc. mysteriously > > does not work in prospective analyses, aka > predictive astrology. It > > was not easy when innocence was challenged by > nature and destroyed > > and the real learning began. > > > > Perhaps like an overprotective older traveller, I > wish to spare the > > younger brothers and sisters the pain of > disillusionment. This will > > make me run against the grain of the established > 'religion' of > > astrology. So be it! > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , > "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello Dear RR, > > > To differ does not mean to oppose. > > > > > > Sometimes this being also has deeply thought on > this problem. > > > The only plausible thing that comes to mind is, > > > COLLECTIVE NEGETIVITY . > > > When some negetive force comes together with > another negetive > > force, > > > it is possible that there is a synergistic > reaction. > > > Meaning, 1+1 makes 2 but in synergistic > reaction, it can make > > 1+1=11. > > > > > > There is , thus a possibility that such a thing > should occur. > > > Collective state of being is also subject to > collective fate. > > > > > > It is like, a body of villagers being imposed > with a collective > > > fine/punishment. > > > Hope this might give a new perspective to your > state of > > perspective. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === Mail is new and improved - Check it out! 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