Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 :-) Well, I think I will stop here. This seems to be a never ending discussion. If I get any result of any remedy someday and feel that the result was because of the remedy done, you will be the first one to know...:-) regards Manoshi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > No you are not being harsh at all. Behave differently and I will stop > talking to you :-) > > We come back to square one as to why remedies did not work in your > case. So many possibilities -- this is why it becomes difficult to > discuss these without specific data and that takes time! Anyway, it > could be wrong diagnosis, wrong prescription, you might have had > enough zeal initially or were too desperate but had deep seated > doubts, ergo little or no faith intrinsically ... etc. And above all > as we all see time and again but a few (maybe more than just a few) > refuse to admit that astrology as practiced is not infalliable or 100% > accurate or maybe our fates are not 100% predestined and sealed as > some continue to maintain rather naively or for whatever other > reasons. If astrology itself which has a firmer foundation and rule > structure some of which at least is logical, how can the more > esoteric, ethereal realm and rules of remedials be any more solid, > sure or predictable? > > There is many a slip between the cup and the lip -- RATS -- here I go > again with my cup of tea analogy! Better tone down before I get too > unbearable and get thrown out of this merry club!! > > RR > > > > > , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> > wrote: > > But there are instances , given by Tanvir and others and I can say > > myself too when remedy has not worked. NOT WORKED or worked in a > > diffferent way.(well as you say they WERE done with faith). Well if > > the remedy did not give what i wanted but gave me the strength to > > cope up, thats not how remedy should work. If I have malaria and the > > medicine I took did not cure malaria but i am happy that my hair > > doesnt fall anymore...is not how remedy should work. I am sorry if I > > am harsh. I dont want to give examples of the remedies I did(no not > > gemstonmes, they were deity pooja etc. and believe me, with total > > devotion and faith) but I can say they did not work. well I cannot > > say they dont work, may be in my case it did not work :-)as we are > > all part of the discussion and everyone is presenting their view. > > > > manoshi > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Remedies work! The paired-control trial that you seek (what would > > > have happened if the person had not taken remedies) would need > > life > > > with a reverse-re-record-play button as one cannot go back and re- > > > test. And very few instances of otherwise matched individuals > > > needing same remedies, one taking the remedy and the other not. > > > those things are difficult to do in a controlled scientific > > > laboratory setting, let alone in the marsh-land of astrology! > > > However, a few anecdotal instances do come to mind where a person > > > closely known to me started fasting on saturday and after several > > > such weeks in a situation where his faith was tested, he stopped > > > doing this and also did certain tamasic activities on saturday. > > > Within a short while he sustained a significant monetary loss and > > > the loss came through his wife who was carrying some ornaments > > which > > > contained a few inheritences. I don't want to read too much into > > > this specific mode of loss but his lagna is cancer and saturn is > > > lord of 7 and 8. There was no indication of the loss in his chart. > > > He went back again on doing saturday fast etc rigorously and > > certain > > > other things and more or less recouped everything though had to do > > > hard work all along (again all not just due to saturn related > > > reasons). This person was prescribed a neelam by his spiritual > > guru > > > which he was asked to wear on the ring (sun) finger. This is > > > sometimes considered inappropriate but he had faith in his guru > > and > > > no harm came to him. > > > > > > Another individual who had great faith in astrology and gemstones > > > and who was always into paying for his karma through his > > pocketbook > > > mostly through listening to peddlars of black magic -- died at a > > > young age with no clear indicator of death. He was warned about > > not > > > messing around with that stuff but ... > > > > > > A case study I have described in details as an article (the girl > > who > > > was prescribed a pearl ...) I think it is on the boloji.com/astro > > > site. > > > > > > I have also seen individuals who were scientists who had limited > > > faith in astrology and none in gemstones and wearning gemstone did > > > not influence them at all. > > > > > > Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in > > recommending > > > gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their > > > utility in a consistent manner. > > > > > > Someday I will be able to write about all these and more in a more > > > cogent manner, godwilling. > > > > > > But don't include all remedies in the same bag -- you will be > > doing > > > yourself a disservice. Unless, that is what your heart desires. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > <khallopapa> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came > > > > forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few > > of > > > > us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As > > > Tanvir > > > > said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back > > what > > > he > > > > wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , > > it > > > > gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes > > > care. > > > > Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... > > > but > > > > my question still remains what would have happened if remedies > > > were > > > > not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened > > > becos > > > > of those remedies ? > > > > Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I > > > want > > > > if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next > > janam. > > > > Who has seen next janam? > > > > After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of > > > faith > > > > and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but > > some > > > > have faith in them and some dont have. > > > > Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY > > > > something called predestined or learned astrologers could not > > > > predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not > > only > > > > faith but fact. But other things....??? > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in > > > > astrological > > > > > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > > > > > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to > > > the > > > > > tunes of destiny. > > > > > One incidence: > > > > > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While > > crossing > > > a > > > > > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken > > > surprised > > > > > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] > > > and > > > > > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but > > > > nothing > > > > > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > > > > > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the > > end > > > > of > > > > > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > > > > > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with > > a > > > > > reward of 10 Taka. > > > > > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic > > situation > > > to > > > > > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that > > nothing > > > > > would happen to me.!! > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > > > > > > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for > > > > less > > > > > > trouble) > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things > > > > (marriage > > > > > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, > > the > > > > > event > > > > > > is destined to happen." > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why > > > do > > > > > not > > > > > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > > > > > > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked > > BUT - > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > > > > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > > > > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > > > > > > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > > > > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > > > > > > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to > > understand > > > > it > > > > > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must > > > be > > > > a > > > > > > very good communication between the two persons discussing > > it. > > > > > > > > > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish > > knowledge / > > > > > skill > > > > > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If > > anyone > > > > has > > > > > a > > > > > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / > > IQ, > > > > he > > > > > can > > > > > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, > > and > > > > gets > > > > > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > > > > > happeneds > > > > > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and > > > can > > > > do > > > > > as > > > > > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common > > > > sense > > > > > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try > > it, > > > > it > > > > > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > > > > > pattern > > > > > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. > > Your > > > > > effort > > > > > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this > > is > > > > > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be > > delay > > > > in > > > > > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > > > > > effort > > > > > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you > > can > > > > end > > > > > up > > > > > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > > > > > indicating > > > > > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? > > > Dear > > > > > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your > > answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > > > > > limitacy > > > > > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is > > > > going > > > > > to > > > > > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > > > > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the > > > suppossed > > > > > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > > > > > why 'strong > > > > > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > > > > right > > > > > for > > > > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) > > these > > > > > happen > > > > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have > > > benefits > > > > of > > > > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > > > > those > > > > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > > > > remedials > > > > > are > > > > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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