Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, The reference to panic was towards a bad time(not necassarily 5 or 9 dashas) and the 9 reference(AD,PD also) was towards a remedy which might prove to be effective. Remedies can be done at any time(even in good times also, some people do them to increase the good effect more) but people tend to panic when under pressure or when things are not working out on time for them. Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Why would we tend to panic in *such* times, namely, the dashas of > the lords of 5th and 9th? That would be contrary to logic and > experience, would it not? Am I missing something? :-) > > RR > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > Indeed devotion has to come from faith and it is > of > > utmost importance when in dire states for those are the times when > we > > the chances of tumbling are more. I do agree that we should bring > out > > more case studies to prove the point. My reference towards 9 house > (AK > > also) was not meant for best remedies only but was meant for a > > remedy. Furthermore as i have mentioned in the other post that we > do > > tend to panic in such times and our faith takes a hit in such > cases. > > I think all are best once they are done with faith(devotion) and > in a > > proper manner. > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay > in > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of > hope > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from > pillar > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more > frustrated > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would > > say, > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of > 5th > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even > when > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are > discussed > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, > are > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well- > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases. > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job > on > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and not > just > > > snippets of their craft. > > > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively > > > sound and honestly meant. > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Manoshi, > > > > I think your question is already answered but > just > > > one > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies > suggested. > > > If > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner > (be > > it > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) > you > > > will > > > > see the results yourself. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > <khallopapa> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email. > > > > > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, > the > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with > > > venus > > > > in > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets > have > > > to > > > > be > > > > > appeased....but how? > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was > told > > > to > > > > me > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her. > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits > me > > > the > > > > > best. > > > > > > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and > > > stuff.. > > > > > these > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). > These > > > is > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many > > learned > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong > > > pronunciations > > > > > > give me problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it > > earlier, > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to > you > > > I > > > > am > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of > the > > > > > planet, > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would > increase > > > the > > > > > good > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need > to > > > be > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. > A > > > deity > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me > > > 100% > > > > > and > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong > or > > > > just > > > > > it > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity > > > > related... > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to > > > > > planets. > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some > > > > > websites... > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for > > > > Mars !! > > > > > I > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. > Do > > > > anyone > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take > care > > > of > > > > > Mars? > > > > > > I am just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes always > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question > came > > > > > up...how > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be > > > appeased > > > > > and > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating > diamond..? > > > > > that's > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Dear Venkatarama, Ever wondered about the small choices being sub consiously effected.... Why do some people are attracted to something or someone(and not to others). Gaurav , "venkatarama_sastry" <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > Dear Gaurav, > > Hmm. Good question. "What exactly is our choice when everything is > the will of the > > Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the > God." > > I struggle with this too. It seems to depend so much on how we > define this problem!! Take the example of an ocean. If we follow the > course of a single molecule of water, there is so much movement! The > waves are constantly dashing it hither and thither, the sun > evaporates it, eventually it comes back down as rain, finally making > its way into a stream that flows into a river which eventually > brings it back to the ocean. But then, if we change our frame of > reference to the entire ocean itself, it really stays in the same > place thoughout, doesn't it! That is, if we restrict ourselves to a > time frame of hundreds or thousands of years, any more than that, > and we run into changes there - the ocean may have been much smaller > or much bigger, because of the continental drifts. Long before that, > there wasn't any ocean at all, and longer back, there was no earth > and no universe before. I guess what I am trying to say, is, how do > we define God's will vs our choice. If the timeframe is short, the > context is narrow and the question is something like "will I have > potatoes or carrots for lunch", then yes, it is my choice. A bigger > question like "should I study medicine or engineering" obviously is > a summation of many factors, my choice being one of them. And when > you get to questions like which family did I take birth in, well, my > choice in that case was zero. > > The Geetha describes the various vaasanas that follow us into this > lifetime, influencing our innate behaviors and attitudes, the > trigunas and the amsas. This is a vast topic, and I am by no means > an expert, but maybe I will post on this later when I have some > time. This discusses our choices, and what motivates us to make one > choice over another, as well as the "will of God" part of this all. > > My suspicion is that the problem is mine - my intelligence is too > puny to truly understand :-). Things look like contradictions only > because I am unable to grasp the full picture. > > Venkatarama > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Dear Venkatarama, > > Taking a leaf out of your post, some points that > > come to my mind. > > > > - There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva, > even > > an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the > > Lord........just that we "should", i.e. implicitly acknowledging > the > > existence of our choice in the matter. > > > > What exactly is our choice when everything is the will of the > > Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the > God. > > I am not referring to free will or karma so lets not go into that. > > > > > > - This does not in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, > though! > > You are responsible for the effort. > > > > Another interesting aspect, our realization to a fact(it is > actually > > quite liberating now) should also lead us to a different plane of > > thinking. But how many do actually realize it is another side of > the > > coin. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "venkatarama_sastry" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's > advocate, > > > don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by > questioning, > > a > > > la Socrates! > > > > > > OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are > > > predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take > > > place? :-) > > > > > > There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva, > > even > > > an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the > > > Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in > > all > > > religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the > downtrodden, > > > and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition > that > > > we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", > i.e. > > > implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the > matter. > > > Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once > again > > > end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too > busy > > > at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!! > > > > > > I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from > > > faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking. > Unfortunately, > > > most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people > > > request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work > on > > > their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our > > day > > > to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way > to > > > get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose > of > > > humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what > > you > > > want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that > knows > > > what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and > that > > > higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does > not > > > in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are > > > responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is > > > reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get > > used > > > to initially, it is actually quite liberating now! > > > > > > Venkatarama > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > right > > > for > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these > > > happen > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits > of > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > those > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > remedials > > > are > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > My views on this issue are like this: > > > > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of > > > > money,win > > > > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial > Gems, > > > > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings > will > > > > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not > dodge > > > > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or > mantra > > > or > > > > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess. > > > > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace. > > > > > Inder > > > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more > > > transient > > > > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time > > > (delay > > > > > in > > > > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song > of > > > > hope > > > > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running > from > > > > pillar > > > > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more > > > > frustrated > > > > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some > > > would > > > > > say, > > > > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you > > > mentioned > > > > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during > dashas > > > of > > > > > 5th > > > > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption > even > > > > when > > > > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are > > > > > discussed > > > > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed > ones, > > > > are > > > > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, > unfortunately, > > > from > > > > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in > > > well- > > > > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of > > cases. > > > > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much > better > > > job > > > > > on > > > > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and > not > > > > just > > > > > > snippets of their craft. > > > > > > > > > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly > > strong > > > > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and > > > subjectively > > > > > > sound and honestly meant. > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Manoshi, > > > > > > > I think your question is already answered > but > > > > just > > > > > > one > > > > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies > > > > > suggested. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper > manner > > > > (be > > > > > it > > > > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned > planet) > > > > you > > > > > > will > > > > > > > see the results yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of > > > remedies > > > > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an > email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you > insist, > > > > the > > > > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, > > > with > > > > > > venus > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak > planets > > > > have > > > > > > to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > appeased....but how? > > > > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing > was > > > > told > > > > > > to > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our > > > dear > > > > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir > > > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would > > > suggest > > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM > > suits > > > > me > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI > and > > > > > > stuff.. > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi- > ai"). > > > > These > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from > many > > > > > learned > > > > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong > > > > > > pronunciations > > > > > > > > > give me problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about > it > > > > > earlier, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > > > > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD > NEWS > > > to > > > > > you > > > > > > I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic > ness > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would > > > > increase > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do > > > need > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of > > > them. > > > > A > > > > > > deity > > > > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune > > > this > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never > suits > > > me > > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something > > > wrong > > > > > or > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the > > deity > > > > > > > related... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities > related > > > to > > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in > some > > > > > > > > websites... > > > > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is > prayed > > > for > > > > > > > Mars !! > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly > > possible. > > > > Do > > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras > take > > > > care > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Mars? > > > > > > > > > I am just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes always > > > > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this > question > > > > came > > > > > > > > up...how > > > > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets > should > > be > > > > > > appeased > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating > > > > > diamond..? > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Thanks! Now if we had some real cases to discuss, it would have been like a teaspoon of sugar in this otherwise wonderful cup of tea! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Rohini ji, > The reference to panic was towards a bad time(not > necassarily 5 or 9 dashas) and the 9 reference(AD,PD also) was > towards a remedy which might prove to be effective. Remedies can be > done at any time(even in good times also, some people do them to > increase the good effect more) but people tend to panic when under > pressure or when things are not working out on time for them. > > Gaurav > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Why would we tend to panic in *such* times, namely, the dashas of > > the lords of 5th and 9th? That would be contrary to logic and > > experience, would it not? Am I missing something? :-) > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > Indeed devotion has to come from faith and it is > > of > > > utmost importance when in dire states for those are the times > when > > we > > > the chances of tumbling are more. I do agree that we should bring > > out > > > more case studies to prove the point. My reference towards 9 house > > (AK > > > also) was not meant for best remedies only but was meant for a > > > remedy. Furthermore as i have mentioned in the other post that we > > do > > > tend to panic in such times and our faith takes a hit in such > > cases. > > > I think all are best once they are done with faith(devotion) and > > in a > > > proper manner. > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient > > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time > (delay > > in > > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of > > hope > > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from > > pillar > > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more > > frustrated > > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would > > > say, > > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned > > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of > > 5th > > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even > > when > > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are > > discussed > > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, > > are > > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, > from > > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well- > > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases. > > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better > job > > on > > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and not > > just > > > > snippets of their craft. > > > > > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong > > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively > > > > sound and honestly meant. > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > Hello Manoshi, > > > > > I think your question is already answered but > > just > > > > one > > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies > > suggested. > > > > If > > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner > > (be > > > it > > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) > > you > > > > will > > > > > see the results yourself. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of > remedies > > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, > > the > > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with > > > > venus > > > > > in > > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets > > have > > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > appeased....but how? > > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was > > told > > > > to > > > > > me > > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear > > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would > suggest > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits > > me > > > > the > > > > > > best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and > > > > stuff.. > > > > > > these > > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). > > These > > > > is > > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many > > > learned > > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong > > > > pronunciations > > > > > > > give me problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it > > > earlier, > > > > > and > > > > > > it > > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to > > you > > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of > > the > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would > > increase > > > > the > > > > > > good > > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. > > A > > > > deity > > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits > me > > > > 100% > > > > > > and > > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something > wrong > > or > > > > > just > > > > > > it > > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity > > > > > related... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related > to > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some > > > > > > websites... > > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed > for > > > > > Mars !! > > > > > > I > > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. > > Do > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take > > care > > > > of > > > > > > Mars? > > > > > > > I am just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes always > > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question > > came > > > > > > up...how > > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be > > > > appeased > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating > > diamond..? > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, Here is one teaspoon of sugar. Case Study DOB : 25 Aug,79 TOB : 3:45 pm Place: faridabad Points to be noted :- 1 . Lord of 9 - Sun , AK - Jupiter(exalted) 2. Current Dasha - Rahu Md, Saturn AD, Sun PD Issue: Marriage delay. The remedy was suggested in June,04 in Sun PD(Lord of 9). Furthermore link to AK can be seen as the AK is Jupiter meaning the remedy will be linked to a guru or a person knowing Jyotish as the prime duty of AK is to guide the person spiritually. Now lets us dig a little more deeper. The postion of AK in the rashi chart is in 8 house. Karaka of 8 house is Saturn(Current AD). The fructification of yogas are also linked to Saturn as counting from AK to Lagna we get 6 houses. Karaka of 6 house is Saturn(Current AD). Another linkage can be seen from Navamsa. The position of Karakamsa in Navamsa from Navamsa Lagna is 6 houses. Karaka of 6 house is Saturn(Current AD). The name of the person is not disclosed but the above study clearly indicates linkage of 9 house and AK and the person was guided in the above period for a remedy. Since i have stated linkage to 9 house only (with AK) there was no linkage found with 5 house. I hope that the tea stays hot for you now. Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Thanks! Now if we had some real cases to discuss, it would have > been like a teaspoon of sugar in this otherwise wonderful cup of tea! > > RR > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > The reference to panic was towards a bad time(not > > necassarily 5 or 9 dashas) and the 9 reference(AD,PD also) was > > towards a remedy which might prove to be effective. Remedies can be > > done at any time(even in good times also, some people do them to > > increase the good effect more) but people tend to panic when under > > pressure or when things are not working out on time for them. > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Why would we tend to panic in *such* times, namely, the dashas of > > > the lords of 5th and 9th? That would be contrary to logic and > > > experience, would it not? Am I missing something? :-) > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > Indeed devotion has to come from faith and it is > > > of > > > > utmost importance when in dire states for those are the times > > when > > > we > > > > the chances of tumbling are more. I do agree that we should > bring > > > out > > > > more case studies to prove the point. My reference towards 9 > house > > > (AK > > > > also) was not meant for best remedies only but was meant for a > > > > remedy. Furthermore as i have mentioned in the other post that > we > > > do > > > > tend to panic in such times and our faith takes a hit in such > > > cases. > > > > I think all are best once they are done with faith(devotion) and > > > in a > > > > proper manner. > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more > transient > > > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time > > (delay > > > in > > > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of > > > hope > > > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from > > > pillar > > > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more > > > frustrated > > > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some > would > > > > say, > > > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you > mentioned > > > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas > of > > > 5th > > > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even > > > when > > > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are > > > discussed > > > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, > > > are > > > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, > > from > > > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in > well- > > > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases. > > > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better > > job > > > on > > > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and not > > > just > > > > > snippets of their craft. > > > > > > > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong > > > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and > subjectively > > > > > sound and honestly meant. > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > > > Hello Manoshi, > > > > > > I think your question is already answered but > > > just > > > > > one > > > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies > > > suggested. > > > > > If > > > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner > > > (be > > > > it > > > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) > > > you > > > > > will > > > > > > see the results yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of > > remedies > > > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, > > > the > > > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, > with > > > > > venus > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets > > > have > > > > > to > > > > > > be > > > > > > > appeased....but how? > > > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was > > > told > > > > > to > > > > > > me > > > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our > dear > > > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would > > suggest > > > > > > Lakshmi > > > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits > > > me > > > > > the > > > > > > > best. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and > > > > > stuff.. > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi- ai"). > > > These > > > > > is > > > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many > > > > learned > > > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong > > > > > pronunciations > > > > > > > > give me problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it > > > > earlier, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > > > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS > to > > > you > > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of > > > the > > > > > > > planet, > > > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would > > > increase > > > > > the > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do > need > > > to > > > > > be > > > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of > them. > > > A > > > > > deity > > > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune > this > > > way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits > > me > > > > > 100% > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something > > wrong > > > or > > > > > > just > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity > > > > > > related... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related > > to > > > > > > > planets. > > > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some > > > > > > > websites... > > > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed > > for > > > > > > Mars !! > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. > > > Do > > > > > > anyone > > > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take > > > care > > > > > of > > > > > > > Mars? > > > > > > > > I am just curious... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes always > > > > > > > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > > > > > > > <khallopapa> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question > > > came > > > > > > > up...how > > > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be > > > > > appeased > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating > > > diamond..? > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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