Every Action has an Equal and Opposite Reaction--RR

[Guest guest]

Dear Ranjan Kaku,

 

There is no other reason that I have so much of respect for you.

your thoughts are uncomparable. But somhow I cannot convince myself

of the 'rebirth and reincarnation etc.'thing.If there is anything

called karmaphal, one has to get it in this birth itself. If no,

then that's not fair...:-) well another pessimistic comment..Is

anything really fair in today's world? So then the only option

remains is to believe in destiny. I cannot accept it either totally.

What I wrote before in my earlier posting comes from my heart...how

can one get away with anything what he does...

 

a little confused

Manoshi

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> several thoughts there:

> a) Destiny is absolute. No one can change their 'fate'

> b) One who does wrong <knowingly> can get away with it {=not get

> punished}

> c) This arrangement is unfair {we live in an unfair universe}

>

> These are possibilities which may or may not be true and difficult

> to test, Manoshi. Kind of the theme/topic that has killed many

trees

> {=generated volumes of books and articles}

>

> (a) if true pretty much does away with any useful need for

astrology

> or remedies etc.

> (b) does not take into account there being the possibility of a

> chain of births and a bigger karmic picture, the concept of

deferred

> rewards and punishments -- all of which are difficult to test,

> explore or prove, as indeed is much of karma and rebirth

philosophy.

> © is very scary and pessimistic and I only hope and pray is

> incorrect in a long term view of the journey of the soul which I

> hope is journeying and progressing and not just going round and

> round the pillar like the goat tied in the courtyard, as I believe

> Ramakrishna Thakur said.

>

> This is what I have learned about Karma: Karma is a very complex

> matter, particularly if we are standing in shoes that are someone

> else's. It is best to not judge anyone, rightly or wrongly,

> deservedly or hastily, about an individual's personal or

collective

> karma. This is difficult to do, because we all human beings are

> given the gift of discretion and judgment. It is a double-edged

> sword particularly when we are at the same time given only a

limited

> view of the samsarik leela that goes on around us. This is easier

> done with big picture things but more and more difficult with

things

> closer to ground, closer to our daily reality. Our view of this

> reality is very limited, despite what our intelligence, our senses

> etc tell us. We all have the capacity, the seed to really expand

our

> awareness, to really seek the truth, the whole truth, but if we

all

> were to really indulge in that birthright of ours, internet and

its

> lists will fall silent and we all transcending but silent souls

> would have carried out a collective karmic assault against all the

> Internet Service Providers and the computer manufacturers,

software

> giants and a host of other individuals.

>

> RR

>

>

> , "Manoshi"

<khallopapa>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Friends,

> > A thought which was bothering me , am sharing with you all. Some

> > genuine thoughts of mine...I don't know in this flow of thoughts

if

> > I am able to organize them properly to make sense...

> > I have been saying and believing that what has to happen will and

> > nobody can change one's fate. But then I am forced to think... so

> > one who does wrong knowingly, one who hurts people, one who

commits

> > crime for his own selfish reasons, can get away with it if he is

> not

> > destined to be punished. But if this is so, then this is not

fair.

> > Isn't it the law of nature that Every action has an equal and

> > opposite reaction ?

> > How much can we depend on fate? How much can we laugh at others,

> > feel proud of our power and boast of some good combination of

> > planets in our chart? Time is bad or time is good, not does it

> > remain the same always. I am supreme, no one can touch me, I can

> > hurt, I can do wrong but who has the courage to fight with my

power

> > is the feeling in people who have been enjoying the sunshine for

> > quite a long stretch of time. Everything is accumulating. Those

> > drops of tears caused by you, those vibrations created by you,

> those

> > silent painful screams which are not heard are getting

accumulated.

> > Don't be surprised if one day, all of them come together like a

big

> > wave and drown you totally and wash away your mask. Those planets

> > will not be with you then and you will remain alone with your

self-

> > created misery. Such strong can be the vibrations that might

reach

> > you one day.

> > Don't forget that,

> > All the smiles that you put on other's faces go in vain if you

are

> > the cause of a single drop of tear.

> >

> > --Manoshi

[Guest guest]

There is just one reality and neither I nor you nor anyone else here

or elsewhere necessarily have the full take on that. You must follow

what your heart says, and others must follow theirs.

 

If karma is a currency discharged in this one lifetime, then bad

things should never occur to good people and bad people should never

get away from their deeds. In the 50 some years that I have spent on

this earth, I have seen and continue to see too many examples of

both and have heard of many similar examples. I therefore face a

situation where I must choose, either, that karma operates over a

chain of lifetimes or that life is intrinsically unfair. I choose

the former.

 

RR

 

, "Manoshi" <khallopapa>

wrote:

> Dear Ranjan Kaku,

>

> There is no other reason that I have so much of respect for you.

> your thoughts are uncomparable. But somhow I cannot convince

myself

> of the 'rebirth and reincarnation etc.'thing.If there is anything

> called karmaphal, one has to get it in this birth itself. If no,

> then that's not fair...:-) well another pessimistic comment..Is

> anything really fair in today's world? So then the only option

> remains is to believe in destiny. I cannot accept it either

totally.

> What I wrote before in my earlier posting comes from my

heart...how

> can one get away with anything what he does...

>

> a little confused

> Manoshi

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > several thoughts there:

> > a) Destiny is absolute. No one can change their 'fate'

> > b) One who does wrong <knowingly> can get away with it {=not get

> > punished}

> > c) This arrangement is unfair {we live in an unfair universe}

> >

> > These are possibilities which may or may not be true and

difficult

> > to test, Manoshi. Kind of the theme/topic that has killed many

> trees

> > {=generated volumes of books and articles}

> >

> > (a) if true pretty much does away with any useful need for

> astrology

> > or remedies etc.

> > (b) does not take into account there being the possibility of a

> > chain of births and a bigger karmic picture, the concept of

> deferred

> > rewards and punishments -- all of which are difficult to test,

> > explore or prove, as indeed is much of karma and rebirth

> philosophy.

> > © is very scary and pessimistic and I only hope and pray is

> > incorrect in a long term view of the journey of the soul which I

> > hope is journeying and progressing and not just going round and

> > round the pillar like the goat tied in the courtyard, as I

believe

> > Ramakrishna Thakur said.

> >

> > This is what I have learned about Karma: Karma is a very complex

> > matter, particularly if we are standing in shoes that are

someone

> > else's. It is best to not judge anyone, rightly or wrongly,

> > deservedly or hastily, about an individual's personal or

> collective

> > karma. This is difficult to do, because we all human beings are

> > given the gift of discretion and judgment. It is a double-edged

> > sword particularly when we are at the same time given only a

> limited

> > view of the samsarik leela that goes on around us. This is

easier

> > done with big picture things but more and more difficult with

> things

> > closer to ground, closer to our daily reality. Our view of this

> > reality is very limited, despite what our intelligence, our

senses

> > etc tell us. We all have the capacity, the seed to really expand

> our

> > awareness, to really seek the truth, the whole truth, but if we

> all

> > were to really indulge in that birthright of ours, internet and

> its

> > lists will fall silent and we all transcending but silent souls

> > would have carried out a collective karmic assault against all

the

> > Internet Service Providers and the computer manufacturers,

> software

> > giants and a host of other individuals.

> >

> > RR

> >

> >

> > , "Manoshi"

> <khallopapa>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > > A thought which was bothering me , am sharing with you all.

Some

> > > genuine thoughts of mine...I don't know in this flow of

thoughts

> if

> > > I am able to organize them properly to make sense...

> > > I have been saying and believing that what has to happen will

and

> > > nobody can change one's fate. But then I am forced to think...

so

> > > one who does wrong knowingly, one who hurts people, one who

> commits

> > > crime for his own selfish reasons, can get away with it if he

is

> > not

> > > destined to be punished. But if this is so, then this is not

> fair.

> > > Isn't it the law of nature that Every action has an equal and

> > > opposite reaction ?

> > > How much can we depend on fate? How much can we laugh at

others,

> > > feel proud of our power and boast of some good combination of

> > > planets in our chart? Time is bad or time is good, not does it

> > > remain the same always. I am supreme, no one can touch me, I

can

> > > hurt, I can do wrong but who has the courage to fight with my

> power

> > > is the feeling in people who have been enjoying the sunshine

for

> > > quite a long stretch of time. Everything is accumulating. Those

> > > drops of tears caused by you, those vibrations created by you,

> > those

> > > silent painful screams which are not heard are getting

> accumulated.

> > > Don't be surprised if one day, all of them come together like

a

> big

> > > wave and drown you totally and wash away your mask. Those

planets

> > > will not be with you then and you will remain alone with your

> self-

> > > created misery. Such strong can be the vibrations that might

> reach

> > > you one day.

> > > Don't forget that,

> > > All the smiles that you put on other's faces go in vain if you

> are

> > > the cause of a single drop of tear.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

[Guest guest]

>>I therefore face a

situation where I must choose, either, that karma operates over a

chain of lifetimes or that life is intrinsically unfair.<<

 

I agree to this, Karma is a matter of many lives and thus the believe

in Atrology / seeing astrology true leads the faith towards rebirth

and I do believe it...

 

Regards

Tanvir.

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> There is just one reality and neither I nor you nor anyone else

here

> or elsewhere necessarily have the full take on that. You must

follow

> what your heart says, and others must follow theirs.

>

> If karma is a currency discharged in this one lifetime, then bad

> things should never occur to good people and bad people should

never

> get away from their deeds. In the 50 some years that I have spent

on

> this earth, I have seen and continue to see too many examples of

> both and have heard of many similar examples. I therefore face a

> situation where I must choose, either, that karma operates over a

> chain of lifetimes or that life is intrinsically unfair. I choose

> the former.

>

> RR