Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Dear Tanvir, Now my question here is...what if you had not done, as you say, the right remedy? What if you had not done anything? Wouldnt that have happened what happened (for good or bad)? How can one change predestined events or fate? Isn't astrology based on something which is already decided? Can we really change it? Did your girlfriend come back to you because you did the remedy or she would have come back anyways whether you did any remedy or not? Manoshi , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they do > work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work so > strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart > itself and not on the faith. > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much > varying from natives to natives - > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This causes "life" > to be influenced by other factors easily. > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed > easily > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is very > very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that most > of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of the > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with remedies > and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even proves > to be true in practices. > > I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies are > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples though > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about it's > efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea, > their faith was "NIL". > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but only > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start believing. > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some other > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to > astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing manythings > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my > everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong > believe in free will that he believed that stones can give positive > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or > oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him, and > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort to > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me that > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were working > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of > effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my > father's :-) > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess, and > I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and I > am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do... say > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a jounrey > to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All worked > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong remedies > continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last in > April 2003. > > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run the > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in both > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other indications, > and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my chart > when the break up happened. > > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec 2003, > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did not > even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it as > just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything with > lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a > negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad > period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very > true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods > most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period > THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting benefic > for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles. > > I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all > faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the > correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like everything > else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a > neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not allow > me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it for > two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had to > study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of 2000 > and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did > brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the > learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education. Anyone > can see it real clearly. > > All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my > studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started > Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did. > > But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but RESPECT. > If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work > negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it will > not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what matters > is respect and not faith. > > Best wishes, > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2004 Report Share Posted July 11, 2004 Manoshi Ji, If I understand your question right, then I would say, that my girlfriend has not got back to me. [Even after doing the remedies.] There are a certain things to note - 1. A negative event can be "withdrawn" by the remedies as easily as soon as we do the remedy after the negative event happened. 2. There are some negative events happened in a permanent way that no remedy can change it. But remedy can lessen the pain caused by it and the view towards it. Example - someone died. The break up with my girlfriend happened in a #1 way but later with more mantras in July / Aug of 2003 I made it #2 event and it was "sealed". However remedies made it easy to me later and now things happened that way that makes me feel that it is okay that I lost her, it was a POSITIVE EVENT. Thus planets can change even the past. We do not do remedies from our own. But, the divinity makes us do these. I can give innumerable examples, but the related one here is that, my girlfriend has somewhat breakup indication in her chart, while I did the remedies to break it ! It shows that I did not had the indication of break up but she did, and so I HAD TO DO bad remedies to break it OR she had to do good remedies no nullify her indication. I can give some most serious and clear explanations of this event, would not do so for some personal reason. You will always see that the result you get after remedies is already indicated in some others chart. So when your result of remedy matches to other's charts, it shows the entire event was planned. I have previously written that 2+2=4, but divinity sometimes make it 5, but since 2+2 can never be 5, it makes us add extra (+1) in it, making the equation 2+2(+1)=5, and here THIS (+1) is the remedy we think we do by ourselves, but actually the divinity makes us add this +1 to make the equation 5. This is the Ultimate Truth. Regards Tanvir. , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > Now my question here is...what if you had not done, as you say, the > right remedy? What if you had not done anything? Wouldnt that have > happened what happened (for good or bad)? How can one change > predestined events or fate? Isn't astrology based on something which > is already decided? Can we really change it? Did your girlfriend > come back to you because you did the remedy or she would have come > back anyways whether you did any remedy or not? > > Manoshi > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they > do > > work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work > so > > strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart > > itself and not on the faith. > > > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much > > varying from natives to natives - > > > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This > causes "life" > > to be influenced by other factors easily. > > > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed > > easily > > > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is > very > > very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that > most > > of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of > the > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with > remedies > > and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even > proves > > to be true in practices. > > > > I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies > are > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples > though > > > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about > it's > > efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea, > > their faith was "NIL". > > > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but > only > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start > believing. > > > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some > other > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to > > astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing > manythings > > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my > > everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong > > believe in free will that he believed that stones can give > positive > > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or > > oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free > > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him, > and > > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort > to > > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me > that > > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were > working > > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of > > effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my > > father's :-) > > > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess, > and > > I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and > I > > am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation > > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and > > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do... > say > > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a > jounrey > > to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All > worked > > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously > > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong > remedies > > continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last > in > > April 2003. > > > > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run > the > > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in > both > > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other > indications, > > and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my > chart > > when the break up happened. > > > > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec > 2003, > > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did > not > > even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it > as > > just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything > with > > lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a > > negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad > > period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very > > true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods > > most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period > > THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting > benefic > > for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles. > > > > I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all > > faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the > > correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like > everything > > else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a > > neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not > allow > > me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it > for > > two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had > to > > study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of > 2000 > > and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did > > brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the > > learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education. > Anyone > > can see it real clearly. > > > > All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my > > studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started > > Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did. > > > > But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but > RESPECT. > > If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work > > negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it > will > > not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what > matters > > is respect and not faith. > > > > Best wishes, > > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Tanvir, Many events of my own life stand a testimony of this fact that u have stated !! --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > Manoshi Ji, If I understand your question right, > then I would say, > that my girlfriend has not got back to me. [Even > after doing the > remedies.] There are a certain things to note - > > 1. A negative event can be "withdrawn" by the > remedies as easily as > soon as we do the remedy after the negative event > happened. > > 2. There are some negative events happened in a > permanent way that no > remedy can change it. But remedy can lessen the pain > caused by it and > the view towards it. Example - someone died. > > The break up with my girlfriend happened in a #1 way > but later with > more mantras in July / Aug of 2003 I made it #2 > event and it > was "sealed". However remedies made it easy to me > later and now > things happened that way that makes me feel that it > is okay that I > lost her, it was a POSITIVE EVENT. Thus planets can > change even the > past. > > We do not do remedies from our own. But, the > divinity makes us do > these. I can give innumerable examples, but the > related one here is > that, my girlfriend has somewhat breakup indication > in her chart, > while I did the remedies to break it ! It shows that > I did not had > the indication of break up but she did, and so I HAD > TO DO bad > remedies to break it OR she had to do good remedies > no nullify her > indication. I can give some most serious and clear > explanations of > this event, would not do so for some personal > reason. You will always > see that the result you get after remedies is > already indicated in > some others chart. So when your result of remedy > matches to other's > charts, it shows the entire event was planned. I > have previously > written that 2+2=4, but divinity sometimes make it > 5, but since 2+2 > can never be 5, it makes us add extra (+1) in it, > making the equation > 2+2(+1)=5, and here THIS (+1) is the remedy we think > we do by > ourselves, but actually the divinity makes us add > this +1 to make the > equation 5. This is the Ultimate Truth. > > Regards > Tanvir. > > , "Manoshi" > <khallopapa> > wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > Now my question here is...what if you had not > done, as you say, the > > right remedy? What if you had not done anything? > Wouldnt that have > > happened what happened (for good or bad)? How can > one change > > predestined events or fate? Isn't astrology based > on something > which > > is already decided? Can we really change it? Did > your girlfriend > > come back to you because you did the remedy or she > would have come > > back anyways whether you did any remedy or not? > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > , "Tanvir > Chowdhury" > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of > believe and they > > do > > > work regardless of belief. However for some > people remedies work > > so > > > strong and for others it works less, but it > depends on the chart > > > itself and not on the faith. > > > > > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and > why they work > much > > > varying from natives to natives - > > > > > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. > This > > causes "life" > > > to be influenced by other factors easily. > > > > > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or > misfortune) can be changed > > > easily > > > > > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those > houses. It is > > very > > > very true. I have seen from my life as well as > others lives that > > most > > > of the times a successful remedy is performed > under the period of > > the > > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read > from one article > that > > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a > better luck with > > remedies > > > and they work easily for them. This is logically > true and even > > proves > > > to be true in practices. > > > > > > I humbly submit following observations for > standing for remedies > > are > > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give > innumerable examples > > though > > > > > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have > an idea about > > it's > > > efficacy but it still works. But since they did > not have an idea, > > > their faith was "NIL". > > > > > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology > or remedies but > > only > > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies > they start > > believing. > > > > > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a > Gomedh, and some > > other > > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I > seriously got in to > > > astrology I realized that those stones are > actually doing > > manythings > > > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away > from home my > > > everything improves dramatically. However my > father had a strong > > > believe in free will that he believed that > stones can give > > positive > > > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing > good happens) or > > > oppositely they create problems what we can > overcome through free > > > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones > were doing him, > > and > > > he believed that they were doing good ! It took > me a lot of > effort > > to > > > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days > he reported me > > that > > > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed > that they were > > working > > > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea > about the scale of > > > effect. However the stones did as per their wish > and not as per > my > > > father's :-) > > > > > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life > was a total mess, > > and > > > I had a real strong faith that everything is > going to clear up > and > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Great... The truth is CONSTANT and will be same to everyone, otherwise there must be a wrong observation of it :-) Regards, Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Tanvir, > > Many events of my own life stand a testimony of this > fact that u have stated !! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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