Faith and Remedies

[Guest guest]

By the way, I also read that in some Purana it mentions that a

gemstone would work regardless you wear it for beauty or remedy. In

my life I never knew how strong remedies work for me, unless I

performed them and saw by myself. So remedies worked beyond my pre

owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for faith, since the

colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously powerful for me, and I

do not want this to happen. Even before knowing good astrology I saw

that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me spend a lot of

money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal blue] gives me

problems about my relationship and wearing them for long 2/3 days

makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could know the reason

after them only I learned good astrology around 2001... but this

experiences I have been experiencing since 1998 when I started

to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And after learning

Jyotish I see that they just worked according to Astrology and

nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would never been

experiencing those... I wish it was true

 

Tanvir.

 

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they do

> work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work so

> strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> itself and not on the faith.

>

> I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much

> varying from natives to natives -

>

> 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This causes "life"

> to be influenced by other factors easily.

>

> 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> easily

>

> 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is very

> very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

most

> of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

the

> 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that

> people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

remedies

> and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

proves

> to be true in practices.

>

> I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

are

> not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

though

>

> 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about it's

> efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> their faith was "NIL".

>

> 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

only

> seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

believing.

>

> 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

other

> stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

manythings

> negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> believe in free will that he believed that stones can give positive

> chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him, and

> he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort

to

> make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

that

> things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

working

> for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my

> father's :-)

>

> 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

and

> I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and

I

> am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation

> worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

say

> visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

jounrey

> to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All worked

> tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

remedies

> continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last in

> April 2003.

>

> I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run the

> 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

both

> our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

indications,

> and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

chart

> when the break up happened.

>

> Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec 2003,

> the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

not

> even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

as

> just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

with

> lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad

> period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very

> true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods

> most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period

> THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

benefic

> for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

>

> I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all

> faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the

> correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

everything

> else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

allow

> me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

for

> two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had to

> study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

2000

> and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

Anyone

> can see it real clearly.

>

> All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

>

> But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

RESPECT.

> If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

will

> not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

matters

> is respect and not faith.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir,

This is the first time I am writing on this forum. Previously I have

been a silent reader of most of the articles but your article on

remedies and the need for showing respect to such wonders of ancient

science has prompted me to thank you for writting such a profund

article. You must really feel seriously about the subject knowing

that you have gone through your own set of ordeals with astrological

remedies.

It is inspiring to know that despite many falures,hope persisted. I

am an ardent reader of astrological articles. Ofcourse I understand

just enough about the subject based on my intellect. I also feel

that remedies do work and more than that the faith in God and the

respect for his/her mysterious plan for us and our future has to be

maintained.

 

Regards

Rinku

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they

do

> work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work

so

> strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> itself and not on the faith.

>

> I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much

> varying from natives to natives -

>

> 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This

causes "life"

> to be influenced by other factors easily.

>

> 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> easily

>

> 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is

very

> very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

most

> of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

the

> 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that

> people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

remedies

> and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

proves

> to be true in practices.

>

> I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

are

> not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

though

>

> 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about

it's

> efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> their faith was "NIL".

>

> 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

only

> seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

believing.

>

> 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

other

> stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

manythings

> negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> believe in free will that he believed that stones can give

positive

> chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him,

and

> he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort

to

> make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

that

> things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

working

> for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my

> father's :-)

>

> 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

and

> I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and

I

> am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation

> worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

say

> visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

jounrey

> to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All

worked

> tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

remedies

> continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last

in

> April 2003.

>

> I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run

the

> 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

both

> our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

indications,

> and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

chart

> when the break up happened.

>

> Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec

2003,

> the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

not

> even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

as

> just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

with

> lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad

> period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very

> true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods

> most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period

> THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

benefic

> for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

>

> I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all

> faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the

> correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

everything

> else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

allow

> me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

for

> two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had

to

> study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

2000

> and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

Anyone

> can see it real clearly.

>

> All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

>

> But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

RESPECT.

> If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

will

> not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

matters

> is respect and not faith.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

Tanvir,

 

Have you tried to see if different nativities have a different

sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based on indications in

their charts? In other words, do you find that some people respond

more to stones, others to penance and yet others to mantras etc.?

Any astro correlates with examples (data) you wish to share would be

appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

RR

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> By the way, I also read that in some Purana it mentions that a

> gemstone would work regardless you wear it for beauty or remedy.

In

> my life I never knew how strong remedies work for me, unless I

> performed them and saw by myself. So remedies worked beyond my pre

> owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for faith, since

the

> colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously powerful for me,

and I

> do not want this to happen. Even before knowing good astrology I

saw

> that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me spend a lot of

> money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal blue] gives me

> problems about my relationship and wearing them for long 2/3 days

> makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could know the reason

> after them only I learned good astrology around 2001... but this

> experiences I have been experiencing since 1998 when I started

> to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And after learning

> Jyotish I see that they just worked according to Astrology and

> nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would never been

> experiencing those... I wish it was true

>

> Tanvir.

>

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they

do

> > work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work

so

> > strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> > itself and not on the faith.

> >

> > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work

much

> > varying from natives to natives -

> >

> > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This

causes "life"

> > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> >

> > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> > easily

> >

> > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is

very

> > very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

> most

> > of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period

of

> the

> > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article

that

> > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

> remedies

> > and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

> proves

> > to be true in practices.

> >

> > I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

> are

> > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

> though

> >

> > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about

it's

> > efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an

idea,

> > their faith was "NIL".

> >

> > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

> only

> > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

> believing.

> >

> > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

> other

> > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> > astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

> manythings

> > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> > everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> > believe in free will that he believed that stones can give

positive

> > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> > oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through

free

> > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him,

and

> > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of

effort

> to

> > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

> that

> > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

> working

> > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> > effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per

my

> > father's :-)

> >

> > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total

mess,

> and

> > I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up

and

> I

> > am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy

situation

> > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

> say

> > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

> jounrey

> > to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All

worked

> > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

> remedies

> > continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last

in

> > April 2003.

> >

> > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run

the

> > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

> both

> > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

> indications,

> > and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

> chart

> > when the break up happened.

> >

> > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec

2003,

> > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

> not

> > even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried

it

> as

> > just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

> with

> > lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running

a

> > negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a

bad

> > period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very

very

> > true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive

periods

> > most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative

period

> > THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

> benefic

> > for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

> >

> > I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost

all

> > faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up

the

> > correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

> everything

> > else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> > neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

> allow

> > me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

> for

> > two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had

to

> > study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

> 2000

> > and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> > brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> > learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

> Anyone

> > can see it real clearly.

> >

> > All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to

my

> > studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> > Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

> >

> > But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

> RESPECT.

> > If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> > negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

> will

> > not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

> matters

> > is respect and not faith.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

No Rohini Ji, have not observed it that way. Because, the people

doing serious remedy around us is very less in number. As per my

theory remedy only happens when there is a "missing part" in the flow

of future, and then we do to correct it. And only few people have

this missing part in their lives. However as I wrote, I guess why

remedies are more or less effective to different people, but never

tried to observe the efficacy of their different ways. Personally I

am over sensitive to all sort of remedies

 

Regards,

Tanvir.

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> Have you tried to see if different nativities have a different

> sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based on indications in

> their charts? In other words, do you find that some people respond

> more to stones, others to penance and yet others to mantras etc.?

> Any astro correlates with examples (data) you wish to share would

be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > By the way, I also read that in some Purana it mentions that a

> > gemstone would work regardless you wear it for beauty or remedy.

> In

> > my life I never knew how strong remedies work for me, unless I

> > performed them and saw by myself. So remedies worked beyond my

pre

> > owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for faith, since

> the

> > colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously powerful for me,

> and I

> > do not want this to happen. Even before knowing good astrology I

> saw

> > that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me spend a lot of

> > money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal blue] gives me

> > problems about my relationship and wearing them for long 2/3 days

> > makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could know the

reason

> > after them only I learned good astrology around 2001... but this

> > experiences I have been experiencing since 1998 when I started

> > to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And after learning

> > Jyotish I see that they just worked according to Astrology and

> > nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would never been

> > experiencing those... I wish it was true

> >

> > Tanvir.

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Rinku Ji, thanks for your kind words. I hope that remedies work

positive for people ie they are able to pick up the right remedy. I

want to work slowly and slowly in this regard, it is a long term aim

of me to do so.

 

Regards

Tanvir.

 

, "rinkugandhi"

<rinkugandhi> wrote:

> Dear Tanvir,

> This is the first time I am writing on this forum. Previously I

have

> been a silent reader of most of the articles but your article on

> remedies and the need for showing respect to such wonders of

ancient

> science has prompted me to thank you for writting such a profund

> article. You must really feel seriously about the subject knowing

> that you have gone through your own set of ordeals with

astrological

> remedies.

> It is inspiring to know that despite many falures,hope persisted. I

> am an ardent reader of astrological articles. Ofcourse I understand

> just enough about the subject based on my intellect. I also feel

> that remedies do work and more than that the faith in God and the

> respect for his/her mysterious plan for us and our future has to be

> maintained.

>

> Regards

> Rinku

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they

> do

> > work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work

> so

> > strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> > itself and not on the faith.

> >

> > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work

much

> > varying from natives to natives -

> >

> > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This

> causes "life"

> > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> >

> > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> > easily

> >

> > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is

> very

> > very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

> most

> > of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

> the

> > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article

that

> > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

> remedies

> > and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

> proves

> > to be true in practices.

> >

> > I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

> are

> > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

> though

> >

> > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about

> it's

> > efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> > their faith was "NIL".

> >

> > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

> only

> > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

> believing.

> >

> > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

> other

> > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> > astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

> manythings

> > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> > everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> > believe in free will that he believed that stones can give

> positive

> > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> > oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him,

> and

> > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of

effort

> to

> > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

> that

> > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

> working

> > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> > effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per

my

> > father's :-)

> >

> > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

> and

> > I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up

and

> I

> > am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy

situation

> > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

> say

> > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

> jounrey

> > to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All

> worked

> > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

> remedies

> > continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last

> in

> > April 2003.

> >

> > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run

> the

> > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

> both

> > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

> indications,

> > and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

> chart

> > when the break up happened.

> >

> > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec

> 2003,

> > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

> not

> > even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

> as

> > just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

> with

> > lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> > negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a

bad

> > period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very

very

> > true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive

periods

> > most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative

period

> > THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

> benefic

> > for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

> >

> > I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost

all

> > faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up

the

> > correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

> everything

> > else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> > neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

> allow

> > me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

> for

> > two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had

> to

> > study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

> 2000

> > and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> > brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> > learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

> Anyone

> > can see it real clearly.

> >

> > All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> > studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> > Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

> >

> > But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

> RESPECT.

> > If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> > negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

> will

> > not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

> matters

> > is respect and not faith.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir Ji ,

Do remedies work on basis of hope or do they work on basis of

faith ?? Is there some specific method to do remedies . I just chant

mantras after bath facing Ishan direction.

please explain..

with regards

-amit

 

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dear Rinku Ji, thanks for your kind words. I hope that remedies work

> positive for people ie they are able to pick up the right remedy. I

> want to work slowly and slowly in this regard, it is a long term aim

> of me to do so.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

> , "rinkugandhi"

> <rinkugandhi> wrote:

> > Dear Tanvir,

> > This is the first time I am writing on this forum. Previously I

> have

> > been a silent reader of most of the articles but your article on

> > remedies and the need for showing respect to such wonders of

> ancient

> > science has prompted me to thank you for writting such a profund

> > article. You must really feel seriously about the subject knowing

> > that you have gone through your own set of ordeals with

> astrological

> > remedies.

> > It is inspiring to know that despite many falures,hope persisted. I

> > am an ardent reader of astrological articles. Ofcourse I understand

> > just enough about the subject based on my intellect. I also feel

> > that remedies do work and more than that the faith in God and the

> > respect for his/her mysterious plan for us and our future has to be

> > maintained.

> >

> > Regards

> > Rinku

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they

> > do

> > > work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work

> > so

> > > strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> > > itself and not on the faith.

> > >

> > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work

> much

> > > varying from natives to natives -

> > >

> > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This

> > causes "life"

> > > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> > >

> > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> > > easily

> > >

> > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is

> > very

> > > very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

> > most

> > > of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

> > the

> > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article

> that

> > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

> > remedies

> > > and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

> > proves

> > > to be true in practices.

> > >

> > > I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

> > are

> > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

> > though

> > >

> > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about

> > it's

> > > efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> > > their faith was "NIL".

> > >

> > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

> > only

> > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

> > believing.

> > >

> > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

> > other

> > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> > > astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

> > manythings

> > > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> > > everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> > > believe in free will that he believed that stones can give

> > positive

> > > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> > > oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> > > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him,

> > and

> > > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of

> effort

> > to

> > > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

> > that

> > > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

> > working

> > > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> > > effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per

> my

> > > father's :-)

> > >

> > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

> > and

> > > I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up

> and

> > I

> > > am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy

> situation

> > > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> > > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

> > say

> > > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

> > jounrey

> > > to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All

> > worked

> > > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> > > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

> > remedies

> > > continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last

> > in

> > > April 2003.

> > >

> > > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run

> > the

> > > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

> > both

> > > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

> > indications,

> > > and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

> > chart

> > > when the break up happened.

> > >

> > > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec

> > 2003,

> > > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

> > not

> > > even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

> > as

> > > just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

> > with

> > > lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> > > negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a

> bad

> > > period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very

> very

> > > true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive

> periods

> > > most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative

> period

> > > THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

> > benefic

> > > for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

> > >

> > > I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost

> all

> > > faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up

> the

> > > correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

> > everything

> > > else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> > > neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

> > allow

> > > me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

> > for

> > > two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had

> > to

> > > study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

> > 2000

> > > and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> > > brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> > > learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

> > Anyone

> > > can see it real clearly.

> > >

> > > All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> > > studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> > > Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

> > >

> > > But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

> > RESPECT.

> > > If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> > > negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

> > will

> > > not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

> > matters

> > > is respect and not faith.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

After reading your posting I felt that we must be very careful about

not mixing up terminology. Faith must not be mixed with wishful

thinking. In fact the example of your father illustrates this very

well. He had faith in gemstones and therefore was sensitive

to/amenable to the influence of gemstones. He also had incorrect

wishful thinking and unrealistic expectations about the gemstones

and his expectations did not jive with what the gemstones are

expected to do. If the person did not have faith in the efficacy of

the gemstones, the influence would have been nil or weaker is what I

was saying. People who approach astrology or remedies with curiosity

(examples 1 and 2) still did with some faith in it or else they

would not have "wasted their time and money in doing so". They did

not approach it with any hopes or expectations as to the exact

outcome which is fine but different from 'faith' or "belief".

 

Actually, come to think of it anyone who accepts to pay a signficant

sum of money for a gemstone or agrees to embark upon chanting a

mantra or do pooja, service or whatever remedial has to have a

certain amount of faith in doing these things that do not come

naturally or fit in the natural scheme of modern living.

 

I have seen many (mostly) very rational scientists who wore

gemstones for decorative reasons or in wedding rings, etc. with zero

faith in their efficacy and where no good or bad resulted as should

have been with respect to their charts (obtained through relatives

mostly because the individuals did not believe in astrology). I have

seen one case where the individual wore a large neelam on the ring

finger (!) and attained great success, but eventually with a great

cost.

 

Not all of these have received a proper diagnosis, have unrealistic

hopes -- some fuelled by greedy mercenary peddlars of remedies and

half-baked astrology pundits -- and the result is that the remedies

do not work or worse in some cases. These are not just my words or

observations. Read what KN Rao has to say in this matter and many

others who dare speak up and rock the boat.

 

Also we should be careful in not lumping all remedies into one bag.

They have different degrees of efficacy and this may vary with the

nativity and the period they are experiencing. There is no rambaan

remedy that will fit all at all stages of their lives.

 

The field of remedial astrology, unlike natal astrology, is affected

a lot by a variety of factors that are subtle, difficult to test and

hence a lot of groundwork and testing needs to be done before we get

carried away and declare it as a firm ground with rock-solid

validity. Particularly when it is itself built on the unsolid

foundation of astrology which itself is seeking validity. Let us not

make more of it than what truly exists.

 

RR

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they

do

> work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work

so

> strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> itself and not on the faith.

>

> I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much

> varying from natives to natives -

>

> 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This

causes "life"

> to be influenced by other factors easily.

>

> 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> easily

>

> 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is

very

> very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

most

> of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

the

> 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that

> people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

remedies

> and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

proves

> to be true in practices.

>

> I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

are

> not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

though

>

> 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about

it's

> efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> their faith was "NIL".

>

> 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

only

> seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

believing.

>

> 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

other

> stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

manythings

> negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> believe in free will that he believed that stones can give

positive

> chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him,

and

> he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort

to

> make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

that

> things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

working

> for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my

> father's :-)

>

> 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

and

> I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and

I

> am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation

> worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

say

> visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

jounrey

> to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All

worked

> tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

remedies

> continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last

in

> April 2003.

>

> I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run

the

> 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

both

> our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

indications,

> and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

chart

> when the break up happened.

>

> Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec

2003,

> the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

not

> even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

as

> just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

with

> lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad

> period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very

> true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods

> most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period

> THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

benefic

> for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

>

> I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all

> faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the

> correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

everything

> else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

allow

> me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

for

> two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had

to

> study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

2000

> and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

Anyone

> can see it real clearly.

>

> All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

>

> But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

RESPECT.

> If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

will

> not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

matters

> is respect and not faith.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

If I am reading your post correctly, then there are only a few

(minority) in which remedies would act as expected and a majority in

whom remedies would not be effective. How then can we say that

remedies are of practical validity in the general public?

 

Unless we learn to identify that small segment with some good karma

(I presume) in whom remedies would be effective and then we can

prescribe only to those instead of the modern shotgun approach

utilized by jyotishis). Wear this gemstone, if it does not work,

blame the jeweller and get another, if that does not work, do this

japa or that pooja or go and fast and if you cannot withstand hunger

then volunteer seva to 101 brahmins or whatever!

 

In all the postings and recommendations here or anywhere on the web,

in articles, in books - modern and old, I have never seen anyone

address this issue about limited charts being amenable to, or

sensitive to remedies. Is it not widely known or understood?

 

RR

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> No Rohini Ji, have not observed it that way. Because, the people

> doing serious remedy around us is very less in number. As per my

> theory remedy only happens when there is a "missing part" in the

flow

> of future, and then we do to correct it. And only few people have

> this missing part in their lives. However as I wrote, I guess why

> remedies are more or less effective to different people, but never

> tried to observe the efficacy of their different ways. Personally

I

> am over sensitive to all sort of remedies

>

> Regards,

> Tanvir.

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Tanvir,

> >

> > Have you tried to see if different nativities have a different

> > sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based on indications

in

> > their charts? In other words, do you find that some people

respond

> > more to stones, others to penance and yet others to mantras

etc.?

> > Any astro correlates with examples (data) you wish to share

would

> be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > By the way, I also read that in some Purana it mentions that a

> > > gemstone would work regardless you wear it for beauty or

remedy.

> > In

> > > my life I never knew how strong remedies work for me, unless I

> > > performed them and saw by myself. So remedies worked beyond my

> pre

> > > owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for faith,

since

> > the

> > > colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously powerful for

me,

> > and I

> > > do not want this to happen. Even before knowing good astrology

I

> > saw

> > > that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me spend a lot

of

> > > money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal blue] gives me

> > > problems about my relationship and wearing them for long 2/3

days

> > > makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could know the

> reason

> > > after them only I learned good astrology around 2001... but

this

> > > experiences I have been experiencing since 1998 when I started

> > > to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And after learning

> > > Jyotish I see that they just worked according to Astrology and

> > > nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would never been

> > > experiencing those... I wish it was true

> > >

> > > Tanvir.

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hello Tanvir,

Indeed a person with no faith in remedy can also follow

it and if done properly it will have a good effect. To me there are

two main factors, first is knowledge and second being experience. If

the knowledge is less then people will suggest you remedies which are

not even correct or should not be categorised as remedies and you

will accept them as they come to you. Experience comes into picture

when we follow a remedy and there is a good(or bad) effect. The bad

effect experience informs that there is something wrong(maybe the

prouncation or maybe the proper method). But the most important thing

is when a person is going through a bad phase(or a really bad phase)

sometimes when we dont get the results we do tend to panic and in

that moment we have a possibility of not doing the remedy with due

respect(maybe the prounciation goes wrong etc) as our main fight is

against time.

 

Mr Sanjay Rath in his book on remedies have given a small section

which is quite interesting. As i dont have the liberty to give a

direct quote i will try to explain it briefly. He has stated the main

tug of war is between the faith of the Jyotish and seriousness of the

problem. Furthermore he has laid stress for effective remedies the

jyotish must have unparalled faith in God and one should set oneself

as a shining light in terms of simplicity and purity.

 

There are combinations in the chart from where we can indeed tell the

dashas or antardashas(or PD) when a person will be lead to an

effective remedy. I consider 9th house(AK also and some vargas) as

one of the most important.

 

 

Gaurav

 

 

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of believe and they do

> work regardless of belief. However for some people remedies work so

> strong and for others it works less, but it depends on the chart

> itself and not on the faith.

>

> I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why they work much

> varying from natives to natives -

>

> 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets. This causes "life"

> to be influenced by other factors easily.

>

> 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune) can be changed

> easily

>

> 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those houses. It is very

> very true. I have seen from my life as well as others lives that

most

> of the times a successful remedy is performed under the period of

the

> 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from one article that

> people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better luck with

remedies

> and they work easily for them. This is logically true and even

proves

> to be true in practices.

>

> I humbly submit following observations for standing for remedies

are

> not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable examples

though

>

> 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an idea about it's

> efficacy but it still works. But since they did not have an idea,

> their faith was "NIL".

>

> 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or remedies but

only

> seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies they start

believing.

>

> 3. As an example my father had been wearing a Gomedh, and some

other

> stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously got in to

> astrology I realized that those stones are actually doing

manythings

> negative to him as well as ME... when he is away from home my

> everything improves dramatically. However my father had a strong

> believe in free will that he believed that stones can give positive

> chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good happens) or

> oppositely they create problems what we can overcome through free

> wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were doing him, and

> he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a lot of effort

to

> make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he reported me

that

> things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that they were

working

> for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about the scale of

> effect. However the stones did as per their wish and not as per my

> father's :-)

>

> 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was a total mess,

and

> I had a real strong faith that everything is going to clear up and

I

> am going to be happy. However with each and every remedy situation

> worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new great hope and

> faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I did not do...

say

> visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly starting a

jounrey

> to village home to give a goat in charity and many more. All worked

> tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it seriously

> worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and with wrong

remedies

> continuition of months, it called in a break up with her at last in

> April 2003.

>

> I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and we both run the

> 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about romance in

both

> our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some other

indications,

> and most of all, there was no indication or nothing such in my

chart

> when the break up happened.

>

> Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for me in Dec 2003,

> the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th lord PD. I did

not

> even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes and tried it

as

> just as a routine. But previously I did anything and everything

with

> lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I was running a

> negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when you run a bad

> period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions! It is very very

> true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in positive periods

> most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a negative period

> THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for malefic acting

benefic

> for some matters, I described one rule in one of my articles.

>

> I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And when I lost all

> faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made me pick up the

> correct one. This explains the free will we exercise, like

everything

> else. I wasted two academic years of my education, for wearing a

> neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that it does not

allow

> me to study, but I beleived in free will and continue wearing it

for

> two years, and end up progressing nil in these two years - I had to

> study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in July/Aug of

2000

> and instantly my studies came back to original form and I did

> brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house, slowing down the

> learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal education.

Anyone

> can see it real clearly.

>

> All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it does this to my

> studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in 2001 I started

> Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things it did.

>

> But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or faith but

RESPECT.

> If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it might work

> negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for disrespect it

will

> not stop working but will work in negative direction. So what

matters

> is respect and not faith.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

[Guest guest]

Tanvir,

 

I think remedies work for people like medicins work

for them ...

 

Medicins work weather you believe or not .. however

having the attitude of faith and belief can cure even

the most incurable diseases along with the medicns of

course ...

 

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> Have you tried to see if different nativities have a

> different

> sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based on

> indications in

> their charts? In other words, do you find that some

> people respond

> more to stones, others to penance and yet others to

> mantras etc.?

> Any astro correlates with examples (data) you wish

> to share would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

> RR

>

> , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > By the way, I also read that in some Purana it

> mentions that a

> > gemstone would work regardless you wear it for

> beauty or remedy.

> In

> > my life I never knew how strong remedies work for

> me, unless I

> > performed them and saw by myself. So remedies

> worked beyond my pre

> > owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for

> faith, since

> the

> > colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously

> powerful for me,

> and I

> > do not want this to happen. Even before knowing

> good astrology I

> saw

> > that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me

> spend a lot of

> > money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal

> blue] gives me

> > problems about my relationship and wearing them

> for long 2/3 days

> > makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could

> know the reason

> > after them only I learned good astrology around

> 2001... but this

> > experiences I have been experiencing since 1998

> when I started

> > to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And

> after learning

> > Jyotish I see that they just worked according to

> Astrology and

> > nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would

> never been

> > experiencing those... I wish it was true

> >

> > Tanvir.

> >

> >

> > , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of

> believe and they

> do

> > > work regardless of belief. However for some

> people remedies work

> so

> > > strong and for others it works less, but it

> depends on the chart

> > > itself and not on the faith.

> > >

> > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and

> why they work

> much

> > > varying from natives to natives -

> > >

> > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets.

> This

> causes "life"

> > > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> > >

> > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or

> misfortune) can be changed

> > > easily

> > >

> > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those

> houses. It is

> very

> > > very true. I have seen from my life as well as

> others lives that

> > most

> > > of the times a successful remedy is performed

> under the period

> of

> > the

> > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read

> from one article

> that

> > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a

> better luck with

> > remedies

> > > and they work easily for them. This is logically

> true and even

> > proves

> > > to be true in practices.

> > >

> > > I humbly submit following observations for

> standing for remedies

> > are

> > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give

> innumerable examples

> > though

> > >

> > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have

> an idea about

> it's

> > > efficacy but it still works. But since they did

> not have an

> idea,

> > > their faith was "NIL".

> > >

> > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology

> or remedies but

> > only

> > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies

> they start

> > believing.

> > >

> > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a

> Gomedh, and some

> > other

> > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I

> seriously got in to

> > > astrology I realized that those stones are

> actually doing

> > manythings

> > > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away

> from home my

> > > everything improves dramatically. However my

> father had a strong

> > > believe in free will that he believed that

> stones can give

> positive

> > > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing

> good happens) or

> > > oppositely they create problems what we can

> overcome through

> free

> > > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones

> were doing him,

> and

> > > he believed that they were doing good ! It took

> me a lot of

> effort

> > to

> > > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days

> he reported me

> > that

> > > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed

> that they were

> > working

> > > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea

> about the scale of

> > > effect. However the stones did as per their wish

> and not as per

> my

> > > father's :-)

> > >

> > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life

> was a total

> mess,

> > and

> > > I had a real strong faith that everything is

> going to clear up

> and

> > I

> > > am going to be happy. However with each and

> every remedy

> situation

> > > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a

> new great hope and

> > > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing

> I did not do...

> > say

> > > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or

> suddenly starting a

> > jounrey

> > > to village home to give a goat in charity and

> many more. All

> worked

> > > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these,

> it seriously

> > > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend,

> and with wrong

> > remedies

> > > continuition of months, it called in a break up

> with her at last

>

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[Guest guest]

good points gaurav

--- Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote:

> Hello Tanvir,

> Indeed a person with no faith in remedy

> can also follow

> it and if done properly it will have a good effect.

> To me there are

> two main factors, first is knowledge and second

> being experience. If

> the knowledge is less then people will suggest you

> remedies which are

> not even correct or should not be categorised as

> remedies and you

> will accept them as they come to you. Experience

> comes into picture

> when we follow a remedy and there is a good(or bad)

> effect. The bad

> effect experience informs that there is something

> wrong(maybe the

> prouncation or maybe the proper method). But the

> most important thing

> is when a person is going through a bad phase(or a

> really bad phase)

> sometimes when we dont get the results we do tend to

> panic and in

> that moment we have a possibility of not doing the

> remedy with due

> respect(maybe the prounciation goes wrong etc) as

> our main fight is

> against time.

>

> Mr Sanjay Rath in his book on remedies have given a

> small section

> which is quite interesting. As i dont have the

> liberty to give a

> direct quote i will try to explain it briefly. He

> has stated the main

> tug of war is between the faith of the Jyotish and

> seriousness of the

> problem. Furthermore he has laid stress for

> effective remedies the

> jyotish must have unparalled faith in God and one

> should set oneself

> as a shining light in terms of simplicity and

> purity.

>

> There are combinations in the chart from where we

> can indeed tell the

> dashas or antardashas(or PD) when a person will be

> lead to an

> effective remedy. I consider 9th house(AK also and

> some vargas) as

> one of the most important.

>

>

> Gaurav

>

>

>

> , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of

> believe and they do

> > work regardless of belief. However for some people

> remedies work so

> > strong and for others it works less, but it

> depends on the chart

> > itself and not on the faith.

> >

> > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and

> why they work much

> > varying from natives to natives -

> >

> > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets.

> This causes "life"

> > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> >

> > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune)

> can be changed

> > easily

> >

> > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those

> houses. It is very

> > very true. I have seen from my life as well as

> others lives that

> most

> > of the times a successful remedy is performed

> under the period of

> the

> > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from

> one article that

> > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better

> luck with

> remedies

> > and they work easily for them. This is logically

> true and even

> proves

> > to be true in practices.

> >

> > I humbly submit following observations for

> standing for remedies

> are

> > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give

> innumerable examples

> though

> >

> > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have

> an idea about it's

> > efficacy but it still works. But since they did

> not have an idea,

> > their faith was "NIL".

> >

> > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or

> remedies but

> only

> > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies

> they start

> believing.

> >

> > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a

> Gomedh, and some

> other

> > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I

> seriously got in to

> > astrology I realized that those stones are

> actually doing

> manythings

> > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away

> from home my

> > everything improves dramatically. However my

> father had a strong

> > believe in free will that he believed that stones

> can give positive

> > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing

> good happens) or

> > oppositely they create problems what we can

> overcome through free

> > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones

> were doing him, and

> > he believed that they were doing good ! It took me

> a lot of effort

> to

> > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days

> he reported me

> that

> > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that

> they were

> working

> > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about

> the scale of

> > effect. However the stones did as per their wish

> and not as per my

> > father's :-)

> >

> > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life

> was a total mess,

> and

> > I had a real strong faith that everything is going

> to clear up and

> I

> > am going to be happy. However with each and every

> remedy situation

> > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new

> great hope and

> > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I

> did not do...

> say

> > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly

> starting a

> jounrey

> > to village home to give a goat in charity and many

> more. All worked

> > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these,

> it seriously

> > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and

> with wrong

> remedies

> > continuition of months, it called in a break up

> with her at last in

> > April 2003.

> >

> > I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me,

> and we both run the

> > 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets

> about romance in

> both

> > our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some

> other

> indications,

> > and most of all, there was no indication or

> nothing such in my

> chart

> > when the break up happened.

> >

> > Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully

> for me in Dec 2003,

> > the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th

> lord PD. I did

> not

> > even know or hope that it would work, lost all

> hopes and tried it

> as

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't want to curb your zeal, but have you even taken the time and

trouble to actually see how often medicines work, particularly in

chronic disorders and in what percentage, so called 'belief' or

positive thinking has actually led to a "cure" -- as opposed to

temporary and transient remission?

 

:-)

 

RR

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> I think remedies work for people like medicins work

> for them ...

>

> Medicins work weather you believe or not .. however

> having the attitude of faith and belief can cure even

> the most incurable diseases along with the medicns of

> course ...

>

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Tanvir,

> >

> > Have you tried to see if different nativities have a

> > different

> > sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based on

> > indications in

> > their charts? In other words, do you find that some

> > people respond

> > more to stones, others to penance and yet others to

> > mantras etc.?

> > Any astro correlates with examples (data) you wish

> > to share would be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Tanvir

> > Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > By the way, I also read that in some Purana it

> > mentions that a

> > > gemstone would work regardless you wear it for

> > beauty or remedy.

> > In

> > > my life I never knew how strong remedies work for

> > me, unless I

> > > performed them and saw by myself. So remedies

> > worked beyond my pre

> > > owned faith. I really wish remedies would work for

> > faith, since

> > the

> > > colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously

> > powerful for me,

> > and I

> > > do not want this to happen. Even before knowing

> > good astrology I

> > saw

> > > that when I wear golden colour clothes it makes me

> > spend a lot of

> > > money for nothing, and wearing Jeans [sky/royal

> > blue] gives me

> > > problems about my relationship and wearing them

> > for long 2/3 days

> > > makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I could

> > know the reason

> > > after them only I learned good astrology around

> > 2001... but this

> > > experiences I have been experiencing since 1998

> > when I started

> > > to 'observe' that colours do things for me. And

> > after learning

> > > Jyotish I see that they just worked according to

> > Astrology and

> > > nothing else. But if it was about faith, I would

> > never been

> > > experiencing those... I wish it was true

> > >

> > > Tanvir.

> > >

> > >

> > > , "Tanvir

> > Chowdhury"

> > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of

> > believe and they

> > do

> > > > work regardless of belief. However for some

> > people remedies work

> > so

> > > > strong and for others it works less, but it

> > depends on the chart

> > > > itself and not on the faith.

> > > >

> > > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less and

> > why they work

> > much

> > > > varying from natives to natives -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets.

> > This

> > causes "life"

> > > > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> > > >

> > > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or

> > misfortune) can be changed

> > > > easily

> > > >

> > > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those

> > houses. It is

> > very

> > > > very true. I have seen from my life as well as

> > others lives that

> > > most

> > > > of the times a successful remedy is performed

> > under the period

> > of

> > > the

> > > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read

> > from one article

> > that

> > > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a

> > better luck with

> > > remedies

> > > > and they work easily for them. This is logically

> > true and even

> > > proves

> > > > to be true in practices.

> > > >

> > > > I humbly submit following observations for

> > standing for remedies

> > > are

> > > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give

> > innumerable examples

> > > though

> > > >

> > > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have

> > an idea about

> > it's

> > > > efficacy but it still works. But since they did

> > not have an

> > idea,

> > > > their faith was "NIL".

> > > >

> > > > 2. Many people never even believed in astrology

> > or remedies but

> > > only

> > > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies

> > they start

> > > believing.

> > > >

> > > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing a

> > Gomedh, and some

> > > other

> > > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I

> > seriously got in to

> > > > astrology I realized that those stones are

> > actually doing

> > > manythings

> > > > negative to him as well as ME... when he is away

> > from home my

> > > > everything improves dramatically. However my

> > father had a strong

> > > > believe in free will that he believed that

> > stones can give

> > positive

> > > > chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing

> > good happens) or

> > > > oppositely they create problems what we can

> > overcome through

> > free

> > > > wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones

> > were doing him,

> > and

> > > > he believed that they were doing good ! It took

> > me a lot of

> > effort

> > > to

> > > > make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days

> > he reported me

> > > that

> > > > things seemed easier to him. Here he believed

> > that they were

> > > working

> > > > for good of him and he also had a wrong idea

> > about the scale of

> > > > effect. However the stones did as per their wish

> > and not as per

> > my

> > > > father's :-)

> > > >

> > > > 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life

> > was a total

> > mess,

> > > and

> > > > I had a real strong faith that everything is

> > going to clear up

> > and

> > > I

> > > > am going to be happy. However with each and

> > every remedy

> > situation

> > > > worsens... and I do another new remedy with a

> > new great hope and

> > > > faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing

> > I did not do...

> > > say

> > > > visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or

> > suddenly starting a

> > > jounrey

> > > > to village home to give a goat in charity and

> > many more. All

> > worked

> > > > tremendously wrong, and actually with all these,

> > it seriously

> > > > worsened the relationship with my girlfriend,

> > and with wrong

> > > remedies

> > > > continuition of months, it called in a break up

> > with her at last

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohini Ji and all,

 

Remedies is a part of Astrology, I mean vedic astrology. Jyotish or

vedic astrology means a set of rules that control our lives and

maintain the circle of creation etc., that is why I call Jyotish to

be the principles up on which the creation is going on. And remedies

is a part, actually an important part of this Jyotish. When we tell

that remedies work for faith, and does not work if one has no faith

in it, then it means that one can actually IGNORE some rules of God

for he has not faith in it. It actually also implies that one can

ignore other planetary effects as well for his wish, and it means one

who does not believe in astrology will never be affected by planets,

and then people's lives who do not believe in astrology would be

impossible to be predicted. This actually proves astrology to be a

mere superstitions. ///Many people say that astrology predictions

match for only psychological reasons, that you "THINK" that they

match, and SO THEY MATCH. Many people also say that predictions match

only for statistical reasons//// and if it is true that a gemstone or

a yajna will only work for faith, then it must be also true that

Jyotish also works for faith and psychological reason, and a person

having no faith in Jyotish would never be touched by planets, making

astrology a supersition, and the above ///// marked statement would

also be true.

 

The fact is that, remedies are part and parcel of Jyotish and ACT AS

PER THE CHART. Can you tell me what I mean by acting as per the

chart? If in my chart Sun is the 5th lord and sitting in 2nd, then a

yajna or gemstone to the Sun would only show changes in the fields of

children, finance in my life. It would do nothing about my married

life unless Sun has a connection with the 7th lord/house/Venus etc.

This means that REMEDY is a very powerful way to prove astrology true

and also solely related to astrology, and leaving remedy on mere

faith leaves the total astrolog on faith, making it superstition. It

is not that you change ANYTHING by your faith, by your faith you only

change yourself but the rest of the world remains it's own way. When

a ruby does not have effect on you because you do not have faith on

it, it also implies that the Sun does not have effect on you unless

you have faith. Then it means that the planets are not controlling

you, rather you are controlling the planets (about your own life.)

 

Dear Rohini Ji you have talked differenciating 'Faith' From 'Wishful

thinking'. How come a wishful thought live where there is no faith?

If I make a wishful thought to the God then it means I must have

faith on God, otherwise why I would make a wish? A kid blowing off

his birthday cake's candles makes wishful thinking because he has

faith on the system that after blowing off the candles his wish will

come true. So where there is no faith, there can not be any wishful

thinking. You can not make any wish relating something when you have

no faith on it. Wishful thinking is just a part of faith.

 

Logically and truly, if remedies work for our faith then it is bound

to work THE WAY our faith is established. My father had faith that

gemstones would work LESS THAN his free will but that never happened

and that is the reasons he had troubles with them. If gemstones are

powerless without faith, then it means that faith renders the power

to them and then the power must work the way the faith orders it.

Because faith is what making the gemstone work, then the gemstone

would also work as the faith tells it to do so. So calling in "if it

will work not for faith" actually calls in "the way it would work for

faith" same way, it is impossible to apart them.

 

You have spoken about people wearing gemstones who did have no faith,

and the gemstones did not work. But Rohini Ji I have already talked

about remedies working at different scales for different people, and

that depends on the chart itself and not on the faith. I can give an

example where my cousin had faith on gemstones and is troubled by

many troubles, it was around 2001 when I started to know astrology,

but did not know that only 5/9 lords should be strengthened etc. So I

suggested him to consult an astrologer, he did so when he visited

Calcutta, and the astrologer gives him a moonstone, a small ruby and

a topaz. Then he comes back wearing them on the arm. he did NOT note

any change nor ANYONE around him noted any changes in his life for

months, but whenever I used to visit his home and stay a few days, I

always used to get problems pertaining to those planets of his stones

in my chart. (Because I have already mentioned that I am over

sensitive about these, same way my fathers stones affected me.) Then

how come I tell him to get these off, where I myself suggested him

stones? But his sister is very close to me and tells her brother

about this. Then my cousin (the brother) argues me how come my stones

work this much for you, and labours working in stone mines would die

then for the tremendous effects of those big stones! Then, I do not

stretch the topic because I knew it would be hard to explain, see the

long threads of this discussions! But well, just to please me he

takes them off when I visit his home, and I no longer face those

problems.

 

Much lately around 2003 he permanently took them off since they were

doing nothing and the thread he used to wear them was becoming weaker.

 

In this case we see both of us had faith, though I did not have this

sort of faith that his stones would affect me too, but it DID, and

though he had faith, stones did nothing to him. Because I already

told that the rate of effect depends on the chart and not on faith.

 

Previously I told about a few reasons for this rate of effect, just

by some common sense. And that seems to be true to me right now. I

can name of one lady, she is also a member here, she herself

practices astrology and has faith on all remedies. However her

experiences with stones lead her to the belief that stones are 'weak'

remedies. She had faith on stones but still they worked almost nil to

her, so she thinks that they are very weak remedies. On the other

hand, she did 2 yajnas and one of them proved very effective to her,

and another did not work. And so I understood that it was actually

her chart that is doing all these. She had a very very bad Jupiter,

and the yajna to Jupiter did NOT do anything. What this means? I have

explained in my site very well, WHEN and WHY a planet needs more than

one yajna, showing that one yajna 'did not work'. So when her jupiter

yajna does nothing, it does not prove that she did not have faith. it

shows that her jupiter needs more than one yajna [i have explained in

my site, WHY]. And kindly remember the rules I mentioned earlier for

the scale of effects, 9th lord was there, and since she has a very

bad jupiter, remedies work less for her, so she gets the impression

that gemstones are weak remedies ! Then I explain to her why her

remedies work weak, and since her remedies work less, she only feels

the effecty of the most strong remedy ie yajna, and do not feel other

remedies like stones. Even her jupiter yajna was not successful

because it needs more, but sani yajna was successful and she noted

many improvements.

 

But it is not true [as she thinks] that stones are weak, but it is

just her chart is too bad to feel her any remedies UNLESS it is very

strong like yajna etc. It does not mean stones are weak, nor it means

that she did not have faith on stones.

 

I can give another example from the same person, and the lady did

yajnas for her children as well. Her children did not even had an

idea what a yajna is or that it is being performed for them, but they

had noticed changes in their physical feelings when the yajna was

being performed, and their lives improved as usual ! She talked to

them and they told her that yes they noticed physical feelings on

those certain times, and even the lady herself noted feelings when

her yajna was being done. And everyone knows that a successful yajna

most of the times makes native note feelings of the body, since the

karmic load is being lightened. it is a direct relaxation to the

karmic load I have explain in my site.

 

So you see the lady had a poor impression with stones and even with

Jupiter yajna, but that is not caused by her faith and even though

her kids did not know about the yajna, the noticed physical feelings

that time the yajna was going on.

 

I can also mention a moonstone cause some serious problems to my mom

when I kept it to her and told her to keep it inside something. She

never believed or believes in astrology or stones and she kept it

near her bed, and after some 2 days she was faced some strong

problems, it gradually became to better then okay-ed unexpected

rapidly when I took the moonstone back and throw it away for anger.

[her moon is 8th lord in 3rd house.] My mother still does not have

faith on stones but she also is not interested to keep any stones

near her

 

I can also mention a case of my relative where a couple bought two

neelams [The husband bought it] and the husband wore it, it took him

about 5/6 days to persuade the wife to wear it since she never belive

it and did not like to entertain such superstition. Just the day's

evening she wore it, she started to behave with a very bad temper

[her husband had no clues that it can change even her behaviour] and

one day after their son fell from 1st floor to ground and broke his

hand, it could be serious if he was hit on his head. Then the wife

puts off the nelam and her temper became normal. The husband did not

note any negative changes but after some 2/3/4 months he was suddenly

elected to send to foreign for training from office, which he did and

he got promotions etc. later on.

 

Note here that the child also did belong to the father for whom the

neelam was positive, but for the mother's neelam it happened.

 

If I remember correctly then the Garuda Purana speaks it clearly that

if one wears a flawed gem EVEN WITHOUT KNOWING, he would still suffer

from problems. Now kindly do not tell me which chapter was it in,

because I am not sure but the chapter may be either 48 or 68. Though

this statement was not about faith, but it is about "without knowing"

and leads us to the same conclusion that they work for their own, and

not for our faith, consciousness etc.

 

Astrology seeks validity, but from whom? From what group of people?

As I said, truth is constant. People do not believe in God do not

change his position, an old woman of my village does not believe that

a machine or electronic device named computer can do so many things,

but it does not change computer's position either nor I say that

computer needs validity. Regardless to her belief we work on

computers everyday and see/know it is true, and regardless people's

belief in astrology we study it everyday and make predictions on it

and serious accuracy such as quiz answers are given based on it with

success. Let not us forcefully put in to THAT group of people,

provided by we are discussing astrology THEORIES here, let not us

push to go back to just the beginning questioning it's validy. And

questioning the validy of astrology as an experienced astrologer is

surprising to me, does it mean that after these long years practice

you are still not sure about it's validity? If your answer is 'Yes'

then it would be very enough for me to shut down this thread from my

part, to discuss with you :-o

 

Regards,

Tanvir.

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> After reading your posting I felt that we must be very careful

about

> not mixing up terminology. Faith must not be mixed with wishful

> thinking. In fact the example of your father illustrates this very

> well. He had faith in gemstones and therefore was sensitive

> to/amenable to the influence of gemstones. He also had incorrect

> wishful thinking and unrealistic expectations about the gemstones

> and his expectations did not jive with what the gemstones are

> expected to do. If the person did not have faith in the efficacy of

> the gemstones, the influence would have been nil or weaker is what

I

> was saying. People who approach astrology or remedies with

curiosity

> (examples 1 and 2) still did with some faith in it or else they

> would not have "wasted their time and money in doing so". They did

> not approach it with any hopes or expectations as to the exact

> outcome which is fine but different from 'faith' or "belief".

>

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>>I think remedies work for people like medicins work

for them ...<<

 

I agree 100 %... however there are people for whom remedies work less

powerful, that depends on their chart and NOT on their faith. As

simply not all people can sleep with the same dose of sleeping pills,

and it depends on their health systems, not on what they think...

 

Regards

Tanvir

 

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> I think remedies work for people like medicins work

> for them ...

>

> Medicins work weather you believe or not .. however

> having the attitude of faith and belief can cure even

> the most incurable diseases along with the medicns of

> course ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rohiniranjan ji,

 

I should admit that I am have not been a part of cures

that have been brought about by faith in a particular

chronic case ..

 

However being a person to read a wide number of

topics, I have been navie enough to believe in some

incidents reported either directly or indirectly on

some chronic cases ...

 

In any case being interested in understanding the way

brain works (and spending considerable amount of time

struggling to learn them), I should submit that I have

been led to believe having a positive attitude or

faith can in themselves act as catalysts to how the

body responds to suggestions given to them ... It is

however extremely hard to gather statistics on this

account ... positive affirmations, I believe do

translate into the subconscious and the subconscious

seems to somehow translate these suggestions into

reality (creating self fulfilling prophecies

sometimes) .. this I have seen happening in my life in

number of cases ..

 

There is soooooo much I can talk about the experiments

I have done on this etc .. but it would be tiring to

anyone who dosent share my enthusiasm ...

 

In any case I do believe that having faith in cure

helps in the restorative process ... a simple example

of this is the "White coat Hypertension" observed in

patients (a phenomenon where patients were incorrectly

diagnosed for hypertension because the patient has

hypertension only when he visits the doctor !!)

 

Mind over matter is an interesting subjective subject

 

 

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Don't want to curb your zeal, but have you even

> taken the time and

> trouble to actually see how often medicines work,

> particularly in

> chronic disorders and in what percentage, so called

> 'belief' or

> positive thinking has actually led to a "cure" -- as

> opposed to

> temporary and transient remission?

>

> :-)

>

> RR

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Tanvir,

> >

> > I think remedies work for people like medicins

> work

> > for them ...

> >

> > Medicins work weather you believe or not ..

> however

> > having the attitude of faith and belief can cure

> even

> > the most incurable diseases along with the medicns

> of

> > course ...

> >

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Tanvir,

> > >

> > > Have you tried to see if different nativities

> have a

> > > different

> > > sensitivity to certain forms of remedies, based

> on

> > > indications in

> > > their charts? In other words, do you find that

> some

> > > people respond

> > > more to stones, others to penance and yet others

> to

> > > mantras etc.?

> > > Any astro correlates with examples (data) you

> wish

> > > to share would be

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Tanvir

> > > Chowdhury"

> > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > By the way, I also read that in some Purana it

> > > mentions that a

> > > > gemstone would work regardless you wear it for

> > > beauty or remedy.

> > > In

> > > > my life I never knew how strong remedies work

> for

> > > me, unless I

> > > > performed them and saw by myself. So remedies

> > > worked beyond my pre

> > > > owned faith. I really wish remedies would work

> for

> > > faith, since

> > > the

> > > > colour of the clothes I wear work tremendously

> > > powerful for me,

> > > and I

> > > > do not want this to happen. Even before

> knowing

> > > good astrology I

> > > saw

> > > > that when I wear golden colour clothes it

> makes me

> > > spend a lot of

> > > > money for nothing, and wearing Jeans

> [sky/royal

> > > blue] gives me

> > > > problems about my relationship and wearing

> them

> > > for long 2/3 days

> > > > makes me eat worse foods or eat very less. I

> could

> > > know the reason

> > > > after them only I learned good astrology

> around

> > > 2001... but this

> > > > experiences I have been experiencing since

> 1998

> > > when I started

> > > > to 'observe' that colours do things for me.

> And

> > > after learning

> > > > Jyotish I see that they just worked according

> to

> > > Astrology and

> > > > nothing else. But if it was about faith, I

> would

> > > never been

> > > > experiencing those... I wish it was true

> > > >

> > > > Tanvir.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ,

> "Tanvir

> > > Chowdhury"

> > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > In my humble opinion remedies are not matter

> of

> > > believe and they

> > > do

> > > > > work regardless of belief. However for some

> > > people remedies work

> > > so

> > > > > strong and for others it works less, but it

> > > depends on the chart

> > > > > itself and not on the faith.

> > > > >

> > > > > I suspect some facts why remedies work less

> and

> > > why they work

> > > much

> > > > > varying from natives to natives -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many

> planets.

> > > This

> > > causes "life"

> > > > > to be influenced by other factors easily.

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or

> > > misfortune) can be changed

> > > > > easily

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and

> those

> > > houses. It is

> > > very

> > > > > very true. I have seen from my life as well

> as

> > > others lives that

> > > > most

> > > > > of the times a successful remedy is

> performed

> > > under the period

> > > of

> > > > the

> > > > > 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read

> > > from one article

> > > that

> > > > > people with strong 5th and 9th house have a

> > > better luck with

> > > > remedies

> > > > > and they work easily for them. This is

> logically

> > > true and even

> > > > proves

> > > > > to be true in practices.

> > > > >

> > > > > I humbly submit following observations for

> > > standing for remedies

> > > > are

> > > > > not matters of fate :-) Well I can give

> > > innumerable examples

> > > > though

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never

> have

> > > an idea about

> > > it's

> > > > > efficacy but it still works. But since they

> did

> > > not have an

> > > idea,

> > > > > their faith was "NIL".

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. Many people never even believed in

> astrology

> > > or remedies but

> > > > only

> > > > > seeing true predictions and efficacy of

> remedies

> > > they start

> > > > believing.

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. As an example my father had been wearing

> a

> > > Gomedh, and some

> > > > other

> > > > > stones for many years. Around 2001 when I

> > > seriously got in to

> > > > > astrology I realized that those stones are

>

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Tanvir,'

 

Just an interjunction here .. people who are more

distrubed mentally or people with high levels of

concentration are the ones who need higher dosages so

to speak .. it all again traces back to the mind !!!

 

Hypnosis works !!

 

 

--- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana

wrote:

> >>I think remedies work for people like medicins

> work

> for them ...<<

>

> I agree 100 %... however there are people for whom

> remedies work less

> powerful, that depends on their chart and NOT on

> their faith. As

> simply not all people can sleep with the same dose

> of sleeping pills,

> and it depends on their health systems, not on what

> they think...

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Tanvir,

> >

> > I think remedies work for people like medicins

> work

> > for them ...

> >

> > Medicins work weather you believe or not ..

> however

> > having the attitude of faith and belief can cure

> even

> > the most incurable diseases along with the medicns

> of

> > course ...

> >

> >

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Sanjay Rath Ji has said in his book VRA. If one has

undying faith in mantra, it will work for him / her.

 

Regards,

 

Neeraj Gupta

 

--- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana

wrote:

> In my humble opinion remedies are not matter of

> believe and they do

> work regardless of belief. However for some people

> remedies work so

> strong and for others it works less, but it depends

> on the chart

> itself and not on the faith.

>

> I suspect some facts why remedies work less and why

> they work much

> varying from natives to natives -

>

> 1. Asc lord joining or aspected by many planets.

> This causes "life"

> to be influenced by other factors easily.

>

> 2. Same about 9th lord, "fortune" (or misfortune)

> can be changed

> easily

>

> 3. Strong 5th lord and strong 9th lord and those

> houses. It is very

> very true. I have seen from my life as well as

> others lives that most

> of the times a successful remedy is performed under

> the period of the

> 9th lord or 5th lord or Jupiter. I even read from

> one article that

> people with strong 5th and 9th house have a better

> luck with remedies

> and they work easily for them. This is logically

> true and even proves

> to be true in practices.

>

> I humbly submit following observations for standing

> for remedies are

> not matters of fate :-) Well I can give innumerable

> examples though

>

> 1. Before doing a remedy, most people never have an

> idea about it's

> efficacy but it still works. But since they did not

> have an idea,

> their faith was "NIL".

>

> 2. Many people never even believed in astrology or

> remedies but only

> seeing true predictions and efficacy of remedies

> they start believing.

>

> 3. As an example my father had been wearing a

> Gomedh, and some other

> stones for many years. Around 2001 when I seriously

> got in to

> astrology I realized that those stones are actually

> doing manythings

> negative to him as well as ME... when he is away

> from home my

> everything improves dramatically. However my father

> had a strong

> believe in free will that he believed that stones

> can give positive

> chances what we have to use, (Otherwise nothing good

> happens) or

> oppositely they create problems what we can overcome

> through free

> wills. But I actually saw what bad those stones were

> doing him, and

> he believed that they were doing good ! It took me a

> lot of effort to

> make him leave them, and within about 20/22 days he

> reported me that

> things seemed easier to him. Here he believed that

> they were working

> for good of him and he also had a wrong idea about

> the scale of

> effect. However the stones did as per their wish and

> not as per my

> father's :-)

>

> 4. I started remedies in late 2002 when my life was

> a total mess, and

> I had a real strong faith that everything is going

> to clear up and I

> am going to be happy. However with each and every

> remedy situation

> worsens... and I do another new remedy with a new

> great hope and

> faith, and it works bad again. There was nothing I

> did not do... say

> visiting old towns to get a horse shoe or suddenly

> starting a jounrey

> to village home to give a goat in charity and many

> more. All worked

> tremendously wrong, and actually with all these, it

> seriously

> worsened the relationship with my girlfriend, and

> with wrong remedies

> continuition of months, it called in a break up with

> her at last in

> April 2003.

>

> I still KNOW that she was destined to marry me, and

> we both run the

> 7th lord bhukti [who are most positive planets about

> romance in both

> our charts] same time in 2005. There are also some

> other indications,

> and most of all, there was no indication or nothing

> such in my chart

> when the break up happened.

>

> Much lately mantra shadhana worked successfully for

> me in Dec 2003,

> the "hidden reason" was that I was running my 9th

> lord PD. I did not

> even know or hope that it would work, lost all hopes

> and tried it as

> just as a routine. But previously I did anything and

> everything with

> lots of faith and all these worked wrong. BECAUSE I

> was running a

> negative period. Sanjay Jee correctly said that when

> you run a bad

> period, you will get all wrong remedy suggestions!

> It is very very

> true... remedy is divine bless and is achieved in

> positive periods

> most of the times. A remedy MIGHT BE achieved in a

> negative period

> THAT IS VERY POSSIBLE, but there are rules for

> malefic acting benefic

> for some matters, I described one rule in one of my

> articles.

>

> I had faith in remedies and they worked wrong. And

> when I lost all

> faith, they worked, because my Dharma Adhipati made

> me pick up the

> correct one. This explains the free will we

> exercise, like everything

> else. I wasted two academic years of my education,

> for wearing a

> neelam, right after wearing it I told everyone that

> it does not allow

> me to study, but I beleived in free will and

> continue wearing it for

> two years, and end up progressing nil in these two

> years - I had to

> study 3 times in one grade! Exhausted me leave it in

> July/Aug of 2000

> and instantly my studies came back to original form

> and I did

> brilliant again. Saturn my 5+6L in 2nd house,

> slowing down the

> learning and also star dispositing 4th lord, formal

> education. Anyone

> can see it real clearly.

>

> All the time I was wearing it, had no clue WHY it

> does this to my

> studies, but I saw it worked such way. Lately in

> 2001 I started

> Jyotish again and could clearly explain the things

> it did.

>

> But one thing I suggest, and that is not belief or

> faith but RESPECT.

> If you do a mantra so casually without respect, it

> might work

> negative. So it shows the need of respect. But for

> disrespect it will

> not stop working but will work in negative

> direction. So what matters

> is respect and not faith.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir.

>

>

>

>

 

 

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Neerja Bhai, if I am correct then Sanjay ji mentioned it about the

appropriate mantras, that even if a mantra is not suitable for you,

you can chant it for you have ABSOLUTE faith in it. And Neeraj Bhai,

do you see that this absolute faith on a mantra / deity ACTUALLY

MEANS BHAKTI? Am I right here ? :-)

 

Kindly point it out if Sanjay Jee has said that remedies [in general,

say stones] would only work if you have faith, and would not if you

do not have.

 

PS By the way Sanjay Ji himself mentioned to me in an discussion that

he was suffering from problems of Sani and did so many remedies and

nothing worked, UNTIL HE GOT RUDRAM CHAMAKAM. He said he wish he got

Rudram before, and he also mentioned that If you are in a bad dasa,

all wrong suggestions will come to you. He also said in another

discussion that Tamasic planets like Sani may make a person in it's

Dasa adopt tamasic remedies being suggested by others etc.

 

What Sanjay Ji's these teaching suppose to speak about the issue? It

also actually proves my another point that you'd generally need a

good dasa to do a good remedy... right? :-)

 

Regards,

Tanvir.

 

, Neeraj Gupta

<gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Sanjay Rath Ji has said in his book VRA. If one has

> undying faith in mantra, it will work for him / her.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

>

[Guest guest]

Tanvir,

 

Just responding to the portion of your message addressed to me :-)

 

I avoid confusion between wishful thinking and faith in this way:

 

Wishful thinking will always have a selfish motive ("Santa Claus,

get me a toy train (or a fancy sports car -- or girls -- or house

with a swimming pool -- the toys improve with age of the *child*).

Wishful thinking also in keeping with its immaturity will change

rapidly and may not leave a serious mark on one as it changes over

time.

 

Faith has not really selfish motive other than serving as a means to

reduce confusion created by information gaps (particularly if you

are a rational being to begin with) -- hence it is used for

explaining religion, spiritual truths, God, constructs like

astrology, remedies and how they work.

 

Faith may actually be describing a truth-construct which is too

large to be explained easily or poorly understood. It may lead to

selfish or even cruel thinking (fundamentalism, ego, selective

morality of cruel deeds particularly when done in the name of

religion etc), but wishful thinking would more often be irrational,

infantile and selfish.

 

RR

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini Ji and all,

> <snip>

> Dear Rohini Ji you have talked differenciating 'Faith'

>From 'Wishful

> thinking'. How come a wishful thought live where there is no

faith?

> If I make a wishful thought to the God then it means I must have

> faith on God, otherwise why I would make a wish? A kid blowing off

> his birthday cake's candles makes wishful thinking because he has

> faith on the system that after blowing off the candles his wish

will

> come true. So where there is no faith, there can not be any

wishful

> thinking. You can not make any wish relating something when you

have

> no faith on it. Wishful thinking is just a part of faith.

<snip>

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~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

 

Yes, Tanvir Bhai, you are correct, it is appropriate

mantra (not tamsik mantras, which are used in black

magics etc). Like graha mantra and other mantras for

appeasing planets. If they are chanted with utmost

devotion, they don't fail, but still i believe it is

better to pick up mantras, which are suitable to you.

 

No it was only about *mantra* and NOT about other

remedies like stone etc. High quality stones are very

reactive and can do good / bad, as per your chart.

However, Yajnas and Homams are the safest remedies. I

know, when I was in second phase of sadhesati, some

astrologer told me to wear neelam, the moment I took

off neelam from my finger, within 2 hours my source of

income was ready.

 

Remedial measures like mantra / stones should be

tested. Like we discussed about "Om sham Shanishcharya

namah" in past for me and this is the best shani

remedy for me. I have tried and experimented with it.

When I chant this mantra, problems keep on minimum

level (remember sahdesati is still going on). I do

recite rudram chamakam, but the best mantra as on date

for me is "Om sham Shanishcharya namah".

 

So, I strongly advise everybody to chant one mantra

for a day or two, increase the number of repetitions,

so you can actually come to know, whether it is going

+ve or -ve for you.

 

Regards,

 

neeraj gupta

 

--- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana

wrote:

> Neerja Bhai, if I am correct then Sanjay ji

> mentioned it about the

> appropriate mantras, that even if a mantra is not

> suitable for you,

> you can chant it for you have ABSOLUTE faith in it.

> And Neeraj Bhai,

> do you see that this absolute faith on a mantra /

> deity ACTUALLY

> MEANS BHAKTI? Am I right here ? :-)

>

> Kindly point it out if Sanjay Jee has said that

> remedies [in general,

> say stones] would only work if you have faith, and

> would not if you

> do not have.

>

> PS By the way Sanjay Ji himself mentioned to me in

> an discussion that

> he was suffering from problems of Sani and did so

> many remedies and

> nothing worked, UNTIL HE GOT RUDRAM CHAMAKAM. He

> said he wish he got

> Rudram before, and he also mentioned that If you are

> in a bad dasa,

> all wrong suggestions will come to you. He also said

> in another

> discussion that Tamasic planets like Sani may make a

> person in it's

> Dasa adopt tamasic remedies being suggested by

> others etc.

>

> What Sanjay Ji's these teaching suppose to speak

> about the issue? It

> also actually proves my another point that you'd

> generally need a

> good dasa to do a good remedy... right? :-)

>

> Regards,

> Tanvir.

>

> , Neeraj

> Gupta

> <gupta_neeraj_2000> wrote:

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Sanjay Rath Ji has said in his book VRA. If one

> has

> > undying faith in mantra, it will work for him /

> her.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> >

>

>

 

 

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Dear Rohini Ji,

 

A wishful thinking might not always be selfish. I may wish for me or

for my parents or for my relatives of just for the poor people of the

country. However wishful thinking is there where faith must be there.

 

Regards

Tanvir.

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Tanvir,

>

> Just responding to the portion of your message addressed to me :-)

>

> I avoid confusion between wishful thinking and faith in this way:

>

> Wishful thinking will always have a selfish motive ("Santa Claus,

> get me a toy train (or a fancy sports car -- or girls -- or house

> with a swimming pool -- the toys improve with age of the *child*).

> Wishful thinking also in keeping with its immaturity will change

> rapidly and may not leave a serious mark on one as it changes over

> time.

>

> Faith has not really selfish motive other than serving as a means

to

> reduce confusion created by information gaps (particularly if you

> are a rational being to begin with) -- hence it is used for

> explaining religion, spiritual truths, God, constructs like

> astrology, remedies and how they work.

>

> Faith may actually be describing a truth-construct which is too

> large to be explained easily or poorly understood. It may lead to

> selfish or even cruel thinking (fundamentalism, ego, selective

> morality of cruel deeds particularly when done in the name of

> religion etc), but wishful thinking would more often be irrational,

> infantile and selfish.

>

> RR

>

[Guest guest]

there is selfishness there, Tanvir! Selfish does not necessarily

mean bad or totally negative. Sometimes those of us who are

sensitive and otherwise comfortable wish for the reversal of the

fortunes of poor so that there is less 'guilt' or less of the

personal discomfort which other people's poverty causes us (reduces

our joy!) and the same or similar *good* selfishness exists also

when we wish well for our parents or friends etc. We need not

overanalyze this or dig our heels on this point. I have said my

thing and you have said yours. Let us agree to disagree, as the

cliché goes.

 

RR

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Dear Rohini Ji,

>

> A wishful thinking might not always be selfish. I may wish for me or

> for my parents or for my relatives of just for the poor people of

the

> country. However wishful thinking is there where faith must be

there.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir.

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Tanvir,

> >

> > Just responding to the portion of your message addressed to me :-)

> >

> > I avoid confusion between wishful thinking and faith in this way:

> >

> > Wishful thinking will always have a selfish motive ("Santa Claus,

> > get me a toy train (or a fancy sports car -- or girls -- or house

> > with a swimming pool -- the toys improve with age of the *child*).

> > Wishful thinking also in keeping with its immaturity will change

> > rapidly and may not leave a serious mark on one as it changes over

> > time.

> >

> > Faith has not really selfish motive other than serving as a means

> to

> > reduce confusion created by information gaps (particularly if you

> > are a rational being to begin with) -- hence it is used for

> > explaining religion, spiritual truths, God, constructs like

> > astrology, remedies and how they work.

> >

> > Faith may actually be describing a truth-construct which is too

> > large to be explained easily or poorly understood. It may lead to

> > selfish or even cruel thinking (fundamentalism, ego, selective

> > morality of cruel deeds particularly when done in the name of

> > religion etc), but wishful thinking would more often be

irrational,

> > infantile and selfish.

> >

> > RR

> >

[Guest guest]

I am giving here some details on the dasas of the remedies I did over time, to

illustrate how it works for me in my chart.

 

It clearly shows that every time I did something, it was because of my 5L

Saturn, Moon in 5H, Jupiter, or the rajayoga in my Lagna: exalted Mercury with

9L Venus.

 

 

 

I did all these without knowledge of astrology and its remedies. I only learned

about these during the last year on this group, long after I had done all these.

 

 

 

In my opinion meditation is the most powerfull remedy, I practise twice a day,

for 26 years now, it brings great relief in overcoming problems, it does not

remove problems, but you can handle them better.

 

 

 

And besides this everyday remedy of meditation I made the choice to follow the

advice given to me by a pandit, for wearing gemstones and having some yagya's

done.

 

The yagya's were advised from point of view: "Avoid the danger, that has not yet

come".

 

They were not for solving problems, that might already exist.

 

And that makes them very difficult to judge the effect, because I will never

know what harm would have happened if I had not done them.

 

 

 

Ra-Sa-Ra: initiation in basic meditation technique

 

- Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

 

- Saturn 5L

 

 

 

Ra-Me-Mo: initiation in first advanced meditation technique

 

- Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

 

- Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

 

- Moon in 5H

 

 

 

Ra-Me-Ra: powerfull techniques additional to meditation

 

- Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

 

- Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

 

 

 

Ju-Sa-Ve: learning some basics of jyotish, interest in astrology arises.

 

- Jupiter

 

- Saturn 5L

 

- Venus 9L

 

 

 

Ju-Me-Ju: reading from pandit, advice on gemstones and yagya's

 

- Jupiter

 

- Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

 

 

 

Ju-Me-Ju: yagya for Saturn, 5L

 

- Jupiter

 

- Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

 

 

 

Ju-Me-Sa: start of wearing a diamand

 

- Jupiter

 

- Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

 

- Saturn 5L

 

 

 

Ju-Ke-Ve: the Ketu period would bring danger, so a yagya for Jupiter should be

done for prevention

 

- Jupiter

 

- Ketu joins 9L Venus in lagna

 

- Venus 9L

 

 

 

Ju-Ve-Ve: initiation in second advanced meditation technique

 

- Jupiter

 

- Venus 9L

 

 

 

Ju-Ve-Ju: start of wearing emerald

 

- Jupiter

 

- Venus 9L

 

 

 

Ju-Ve-Sa: initiation in third advanced meditation technique

 

- Jupiter

 

- Venus 9L

 

- Saturn 5L

 

 

 

Ju-Su-Ve: initiation in fourth advanced meditation technique

 

- Jupiter

 

- Sun 12L in 12H, starlord 9L Venus

 

- Venus 9L

 

 

 

Ju-Mo-Sa: start of wearing blue sapphire

 

- Jupiter

 

- Moon in 5H

 

- Saturn 5L

 

 

 

my birth details are:

 

3 september 1949

 

7:55:25

 

timezone: 1 hour east

 

52N43

 

5E17

 

 

 

Clara

 

-

Tanvir Chowdhury

Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:20 AM

Re: Faith and Remedies

 

 

Because I already told that the rate of effect depends on the chart and not on

faith.

 

Previously I told about a few reasons for this rate of effect, just by some

common sense. And that seems to be true to me right now.

I can name of one lady, she is also a member here, she herself practices

astrology and has faith on all remedies.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for taking so much time, Clara to document the remedy

periods. May I impose upon your kindness to give the calendar dates

(or as narrow a range of dates as you can)?

 

Thanks again

 

RR

 

, "Clara" <myst3949@h...>

wrote:

> I am giving here some details on the dasas of the remedies I did

over time, to illustrate how it works for me in my chart.

>

> It clearly shows that every time I did something, it was because

of my 5L Saturn, Moon in 5H, Jupiter, or the rajayoga in my Lagna:

exalted Mercury with 9L Venus.

>

>

>

> I did all these without knowledge of astrology and its remedies. I

only learned about these during the last year on this group, long

after I had done all these.

>

>

>

> In my opinion meditation is the most powerfull remedy, I practise

twice a day, for 26 years now, it brings great relief in overcoming

problems, it does not remove problems, but you can handle them

better.

>

>

>

> And besides this everyday remedy of meditation I made the choice

to follow the advice given to me by a pandit, for wearing gemstones

and having some yagya's done.

>

> The yagya's were advised from point of view: "Avoid the danger,

that has not yet come".

>

> They were not for solving problems, that might already exist.

>

> And that makes them very difficult to judge the effect, because I

will never know what harm would have happened if I had not done

them.

>

>

>

> Ra-Sa-Ra: initiation in basic meditation technique

>

> - Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

>

> - Saturn 5L

>

>

>

> Ra-Me-Mo: initiation in first advanced meditation technique

>

> - Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

>

> - Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

>

> - Moon in 5H

>

>

>

> Ra-Me-Ra: powerfull techniques additional to meditation

>

> - Rahu in Pisces, sign of Jupiter, starlord exalted Mercury

>

> - Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

>

>

>

> Ju-Sa-Ve: learning some basics of jyotish, interest in astrology

arises.

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Saturn 5L

>

> - Venus 9L

>

>

>

> Ju-Me-Ju: reading from pandit, advice on gemstones and yagya's

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

>

>

>

> Ju-Me-Ju: yagya for Saturn, 5L

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

>

>

>

> Ju-Me-Sa: start of wearing a diamand

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Exalted Mercury joins 9L Venus, forming rajayoga in lagna

>

> - Saturn 5L

>

>

>

> Ju-Ke-Ve: the Ketu period would bring danger, so a yagya for

Jupiter should be done for prevention

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Ketu joins 9L Venus in lagna

>

> - Venus 9L

>

>

>

> Ju-Ve-Ve: initiation in second advanced meditation technique

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Venus 9L

>

>

>

> Ju-Ve-Ju: start of wearing emerald

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Venus 9L

>

>

>

> Ju-Ve-Sa: initiation in third advanced meditation technique

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Venus 9L

>

> - Saturn 5L

>

>

>

> Ju-Su-Ve: initiation in fourth advanced meditation technique

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Sun 12L in 12H, starlord 9L Venus

>

> - Venus 9L

>

>

>

> Ju-Mo-Sa: start of wearing blue sapphire

>

> - Jupiter

>

> - Moon in 5H

>

> - Saturn 5L

>

>

>

> my birth details are:

>

> 3 september 1949

>

> 7:55:25

>

> timezone: 1 hour east

>

> 52N43

>

> 5E17

>

>

>

> Clara

>

> -

> Tanvir Chowdhury

>

> Tuesday, July 13, 2004 6:20 AM

> Re: Faith and Remedies

>

>

> Because I already told that the rate of effect depends on the

chart and not on faith.

>

> Previously I told about a few reasons for this rate of effect,

just by some common sense. And that seems to be true to me right

now.

> I can name of one lady, she is also a member here, she herself

practices astrology and has faith on all remedies.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:-D

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> there is selfishness there, Tanvir! Selfish does not necessarily

> mean bad or totally negative. Sometimes those of us who are

> sensitive and otherwise comfortable wish for the reversal of the

> fortunes of poor so that there is less 'guilt' or less of the

> personal discomfort which other people's poverty causes us (reduces

> our joy!) and the same or similar *good* selfishness exists also

> when we wish well for our parents or friends etc. We need not

> overanalyze this or dig our heels on this point. I have said my

> thing and you have said yours. Let us agree to disagree, as the

> cliché goes.

>

> RR