Shukra Appeasement---RR, Gaurav, Tanvir

July 10, 2004

Dear All,

Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

(personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with venus in

6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have to be

appeased....but how?

Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told to me

about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

--Manoshi

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest Lakshmi

> Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me the

best.

>

> Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and stuff..

these

> are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is

> grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned

> persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong pronunciations

> give me problems.

>

> You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier, and

it

> has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you I am

> sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

planet,

> you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase the

good

> of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to be

> remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A deity

> mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

>

> When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me 100%

and

> must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or just

it

> is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity related...

>

> I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

planets.

> There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

websites...

> say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for Mars !!

I

> did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do anyone

> here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care of

Mars?

> I am just curious...

>

> Best wishes always

> Tanvir

>

> , "Manoshi"

> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> >

> > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

up...how

> > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased

and

> > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

that's

> > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> >

> > Manoshi

July 10, 2004

I think belief is very important in remedies working for most. I

believe that we are a complete system and a single system (which

means individuals are connected at some levels with the rest of the

creation since we are all part of one whole and together this

creation and the laws that govern its seeming chaos is God). Due to

these connections and connectedness of the whole, things such as

remedies, the seemingly unconnected planets and stars influence and

represent our individuals selves and beings.

Remedies trigger this wholistically operating system and make it

possible for the individual karma to be modified or

shifted/postponed and also make it possible for grace to come into

the equation and balance it.

Remedies is a very messy business because of the range of things,

physical to spiritual that have been claimed to be effective. The

effectiveness varies and some think there is a deeper meaning behind

all that, others simply state that that is not so. Remedies such as

penance, fasting, service are more acceptable to individuals who

find it hard to accept that a gemstone can change their fate or the

course of events. Such is the wonderful variability of the

biological reality that others (and I don't mean the jeweller)

actually benefit from wearing gemstones. Mantras and deities fall in

a category where there is a lot of confusion. Can one just start

chanting or should it be received from a Guru, is pronounciation

important? Then there are variations of mantras which are claimed to

change the scope of the mantra, etc. And then there are the tantrik

upaayes, taveejs, amulets, kavachs as we go deeper into the black

magic of astro-remedies. None of these have been properly researched

or documented and are fuelled by anecdotal accounts and pure belief

at the brighter end of the spectrum and pure greed at the darker end

of the spectrum. The situation mirrors to some extent the entire

field of jyotish and its many tenets and approaches. The field is

too vast to be ploughed by one or a few and the more you ask around

the more opinions you will get. While superficially paradoxical in

terms of what works as remedies because there are contradictory

opinions -- the fact that these remedies work in individuals, but

not necessarily in others indicates to me that these are activating

some common healing system within the creation-organization that

then does what it is supposed to do. Belief is very important in all

of these and so it is futile to prescribe someone a mantra if the

person is not capable of attuning to it fully. Chanting mindlessly,

RamaRamaRamaRama can readily become a chant of "MaraMaraMaraMara".

Will the chanter attain salvation or mere death?

RR

, "Manoshi" <khallopapa>

wrote:

> Dear All,

> Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

>

> Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with venus

in

> 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have to

be

> appeased....but how?

> Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told to

me

> about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

Lakshmi

> > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me the

> best.

> >

> > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and stuff..

> these

> > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is

> > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned

> > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

pronunciations

> > give me problems.

> >

> > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier,

and

> it

> > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you I

am

> > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> planet,

> > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase the

> good

> > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to be

> > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A

deity

> > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

> >

> > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me 100%

> and

> > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or

just

> it

> > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

related...

> >

> > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> planets.

> > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> websites...

> > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

Mars !!

> I

> > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

anyone

> > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care of

> Mars?

> > I am just curious...

> >

> > Best wishes always

> > Tanvir

> >

> > , "Manoshi"

> <khallopapa>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> up...how

> > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

appeased

> and

> > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

> that's

> > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > >

> > > Manoshi

July 11, 2004

Hello Manoshi,

I think your question is already answered but just one

point i would like to add to all the possible remedies suggested. If

you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner(be it

chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) you will

see the results yourself.

Gaurav

, "Manoshi" <khallopapa>

wrote:

> Dear All,

> Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

>

> Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with venus

in

> 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have to

be

> appeased....but how?

> Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told to

me

> about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

>

> --Manoshi

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

Lakshmi

> > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me the

> best.

> >

> > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and stuff..

> these

> > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is

> > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned

> > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong pronunciations

> > give me problems.

> >

> > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier,

and

> it

> > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you I

am

> > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> planet,

> > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase the

> good

> > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to be

> > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A deity

> > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

> >

> > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me 100%

> and

> > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or

just

> it

> > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

related...

> >

> > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> planets.

> > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> websites...

> > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

Mars !!

> I

> > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

anyone

> > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care of

> Mars?

> > I am just curious...

> >

> > Best wishes always

> > Tanvir

> >

> > , "Manoshi"

> <khallopapa>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> up...how

> > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased

> and

> > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

> that's

> > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > >

> > > Manoshi

July 11, 2004

Hello Rohini ji,

You indeed have said it pretty correctly about

belief. The knowledge about the existence of a remedy is not

important but in the broader spectrum what lies afar may seem too

close and vice versa. We may be lost in the doldrums of doubt if we

only do the remedy just because we know it. The worthiness of a doubt

is rarely tested in good times. If one is stranded on an island in

the middle of nowhere, no matter how hard you try to sail in a boat

(and also survive), the winds of time will only turn the tide once we

row with a belief of getting past through the horizon, as it is only

then we can see the land oneday.

Gaurav

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> I think belief is very important in remedies working for most. I

> believe that we are a complete system and a single system (which

> means individuals are connected at some levels with the rest of the

> creation since we are all part of one whole and together this

> creation and the laws that govern its seeming chaos is God). Due to

> these connections and connectedness of the whole, things such as

> remedies, the seemingly unconnected planets and stars influence and

> represent our individuals selves and beings.

>

> Remedies trigger this wholistically operating system and make it

> possible for the individual karma to be modified or

> shifted/postponed and also make it possible for grace to come into

> the equation and balance it.

>

> Remedies is a very messy business because of the range of things,

> physical to spiritual that have been claimed to be effective. The

> effectiveness varies and some think there is a deeper meaning

behind

> all that, others simply state that that is not so. Remedies such as

> penance, fasting, service are more acceptable to individuals who

> find it hard to accept that a gemstone can change their fate or the

> course of events. Such is the wonderful variability of the

> biological reality that others (and I don't mean the jeweller)

> actually benefit from wearing gemstones. Mantras and deities fall

in

> a category where there is a lot of confusion. Can one just start

> chanting or should it be received from a Guru, is pronounciation

> important? Then there are variations of mantras which are claimed

to

> change the scope of the mantra, etc. And then there are the tantrik

> upaayes, taveejs, amulets, kavachs as we go deeper into the black

> magic of astro-remedies. None of these have been properly

researched

> or documented and are fuelled by anecdotal accounts and pure belief

> at the brighter end of the spectrum and pure greed at the darker

end

> of the spectrum. The situation mirrors to some extent the entire

> field of jyotish and its many tenets and approaches. The field is

> too vast to be ploughed by one or a few and the more you ask around

> the more opinions you will get. While superficially paradoxical in

> terms of what works as remedies because there are contradictory

> opinions -- the fact that these remedies work in individuals, but

> not necessarily in others indicates to me that these are activating

> some common healing system within the creation-organization that

> then does what it is supposed to do. Belief is very important in

all

> of these and so it is futile to prescribe someone a mantra if the

> person is not capable of attuning to it fully. Chanting mindlessly,

> RamaRamaRamaRama can readily become a chant of "MaraMaraMaraMara".

> Will the chanter attain salvation or mere death?

>

> RR

>

> , "Manoshi"

> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> >

> > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with venus

> in

> > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have to

> be

> > appeased....but how?

> > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told to

> me

> > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> Lakshmi

> > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me the

> > best.

> > >

> > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and stuff..

> > these

> > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is

> > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned

> > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> pronunciations

> > > give me problems.

> > >

> > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier,

> and

> > it

> > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you I

> am

> > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> > planet,

> > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase the

> > good

> > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to be

> > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A

> deity

> > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

> > >

> > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me 100%

> > and

> > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or

> just

> > it

> > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> related...

> > >

> > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > planets.

> > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > websites...

> > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> Mars !!

> > I

> > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

> anyone

> > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care of

> > Mars?

> > > I am just curious...

> > >

> > > Best wishes always

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi"

> > <khallopapa>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> > up...how

> > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> appeased

> > and

> > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

> > that's

> > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

July 11, 2004

and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient

wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay in

getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of hope

fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from pillar

to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more frustrated

and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would say,

due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned

Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of 5th

and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even when

logically sounding really sets in when case histories are discussed

illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, are

sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from

Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well-

intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job on

this front and have published detailed case histories and not just

snippets of their craft.

We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively

sound and honestly meant.

RR

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Hello Manoshi,

> I think your question is already answered but just

one

> point i would like to add to all the possible remedies suggested.

If

> you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner(be it

> chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) you

will

> see the results yourself.

>

> Gaurav

>

> , "Manoshi"

> wrote:

> > Dear All,

> > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> >

> > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with

venus

> in

> > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have

to

> be

> > appeased....but how?

> > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told

to

> me

> > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> >

> > --Manoshi

> >

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> Lakshmi

> > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me

the

> > best.

> > >

> > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

stuff..

> > these

> > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These

is

> > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned

> > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

pronunciations

> > > give me problems.

> > >

> > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier,

> and

> > it

> > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you

I

> am

> > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> > planet,

> > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase

the

> > good

> > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to

be

> > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A

deity

> > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

> > >

> > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me

100%

> > and

> > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or

> just

> > it

> > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> related...

> > >

> > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > planets.

> > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > websites...

> > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> Mars !!

> > I

> > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

> anyone

> > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care

of

> > Mars?

> > > I am just curious...

> > >

> > > Best wishes always

> > > Tanvir

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi"

> > <khallopapa>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> > up...how

> > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

appeased

> > and

> > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

> > that's

> > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

July 11, 2004

Hello Rohini ji,

Indeed devotion has to come from faith and it is of

utmost importance when in dire states for those are the times when we

the chances of tumbling are more. I do agree that we should bring out

more case studies to prove the point. My reference towards 9 house(AK

also) was not meant for best remedies only but was meant for a

remedy. Furthermore as i have mentioned in the other post that we do

tend to panic in such times and our faith takes a hit in such cases.

I think all are best once they are done with faith(devotion) and in a

proper manner.

Gaurav

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient

> wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay in

> getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of hope

> fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from pillar

> to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more frustrated

> and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would

say,

> due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned

> Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of 5th

> and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even when

> logically sounding really sets in when case histories are discussed

> illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, are

> sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from

> Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well-

> intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

> Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job on

> this front and have published detailed case histories and not just

> snippets of their craft.

>

> We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

> claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively

> sound and honestly meant.

>

> RR

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Hello Manoshi,

> > I think your question is already answered but just

> one

> > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies suggested.

> If

> > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner(be

it

> > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) you

> will

> > see the results yourself.

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> > , "Manoshi"

> <khallopapa>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > >

> > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with

> venus

> > in

> > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have

> to

> > be

> > > appeased....but how?

> > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told

> to

> > me

> > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> > Lakshmi

> > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me

> the

> > > best.

> > > >

> > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> stuff..

> > > these

> > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These

> is

> > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

learned

> > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> pronunciations

> > > > give me problems.

> > > >

> > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

earlier,

> > and

> > > it

> > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you

> I

> > am

> > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> > > planet,

> > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase

> the

> > > good

> > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to

> be

> > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A

> deity

> > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way.

> > > >

> > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me

> 100%

> > > and

> > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or

> > just

> > > it

> > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> > related...

> > > >

> > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > > planets.

> > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > websites...

> > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> > Mars !!

> > > I

> > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

> > anyone

> > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care

> of

> > > Mars?

> > > > I am just curious...

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes always

> > > > Tanvir

> > > >

> > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > <khallopapa>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> > > up...how

> > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> appeased

> > > and

> > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..?

> > > that's

> > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

July 11, 2004

Why would we tend to panic in *such* times, namely, the dashas of

the lords of 5th and 9th? That would be contrary to logic and

experience, would it not? Am I missing something? :-)

RR

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Hello Rohini ji,

> Indeed devotion has to come from faith and it is

of

> utmost importance when in dire states for those are the times when

we

> the chances of tumbling are more. I do agree that we should bring

out

> more case studies to prove the point. My reference towards 9 house

(AK

> also) was not meant for best remedies only but was meant for a

> remedy. Furthermore as i have mentioned in the other post that we

do

> tend to panic in such times and our faith takes a hit in such

cases.

> I think all are best once they are done with faith(devotion) and

in a

> proper manner.

>

> Gaurav

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient

> > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay

in

> > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

hope

> > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

pillar

> > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

frustrated

> > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would

> say,

> > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned

> > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of

5th

> > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

when

> > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

discussed

> > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones,

are

> > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from

> > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well-

> > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

> > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job

on

> > this front and have published detailed case histories and not

just

> > snippets of their craft.

> >

> > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

> > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively

> > sound and honestly meant.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > I think your question is already answered but

just

> > one

> > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

suggested.

> > If

> > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner

(be

> it

> > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet)

you

> > will

> > > see the results yourself.

> > >

> > > Gaurav

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi"

> > <khallopapa>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > > >

> > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist,

the

> > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with

> > venus

> > > in

> > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets

have

> > to

> > > be

> > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was

told

> > to

> > > me

> > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits

me

> > the

> > > > best.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> > stuff..

> > > > these

> > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

These

> > is

> > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> learned

> > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > pronunciations

> > > > > give me problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> earlier,

> > > and

> > > > it

> > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to

you

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of

the

> > > > planet,

> > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

increase

> > the

> > > > good

> > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need

to

> > be

> > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them.

A

> > deity

> > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this

way.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me

> > 100%

> > > > and

> > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong

or

> > > just

> > > > it

> > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> > > related...

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > > > planets.

> > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > > websites...

> > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> > > Mars !!

> > > > I

> > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible.

Do

> > > anyone

> > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take

care

> > of

> > > > Mars?

> > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > Tanvir

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question

came

> > > > up...how

> > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> > appeased

> > > > and

> > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

diamond..?

> > > > that's

> > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Dear friends,

My views on this issue are like this:

Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of money,win

in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial Gems,

Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or mantra or

yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

Inder

-- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient

> wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay

in

> getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of hope

> fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from pillar

> to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more frustrated

> and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would

say,

> due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned

> Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of

5th

> and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even when

> logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

discussed

> illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones, are

> sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from

> Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well-

> intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

> Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job

on

> this front and have published detailed case histories and not just

> snippets of their craft.

>

> We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

> claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively

> sound and honestly meant.

>

> RR

>

> , "Gaurav Sharma"

> <gauravkom> wrote:

> > Hello Manoshi,

> > I think your question is already answered but just

> one

> > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

suggested.

> If

> > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner(be

it

> > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet) you

> will

> > see the results yourself.

> >

> > Gaurav

> >

> > , "Manoshi"

> <khallopapa>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > >

> > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist, the

> > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with

> venus

> > in

> > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets have

> to

> > be

> > > appeased....but how?

> > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was told

> to

> > me

> > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > >

> > > --Manoshi

> > >

> > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> > Lakshmi

> > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me

> the

> > > best.

> > > >

> > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> stuff..

> > > these

> > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These

> is

> > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

learned

> > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> pronunciations

> > > > give me problems.

> > > >

> > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

earlier,

> > and

> > > it

> > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to

you

> I

> > am

> > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the

> > > planet,

> > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase

> the

> > > good

> > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to

> be

> > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A

> deity

> > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this

way.

> > > >

> > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me

> 100%

> > > and

> > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong

or

> > just

> > > it

> > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> > related...

> > > >

> > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > > planets.

> > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > websites...

> > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> > Mars !!

> > > I

> > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do

> > anyone

> > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care

> of

> > > Mars?

> > > > I am just curious...

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes always

> > > > Tanvir

> > > >

> > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > <khallopapa>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came

> > > up...how

> > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> appeased

> > > and

> > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

diamond..?

> > > that's

> > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Inder ji,

Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right for

certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these happen

anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials are

of no real help! :-)

RR

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> My views on this issue are like this:

> Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

money,win

> in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial Gems,

> Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or mantra or

> yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> Inder

> -- In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more transient

> > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time (delay

> in

> > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

hope

> > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

pillar

> > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

frustrated

> > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some would

> say,

> > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you mentioned

> > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas of

> 5th

> > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

when

> > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> discussed

> > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones,

are

> > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately, from

> > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in well-

> > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

> > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job

> on

> > this front and have published detailed case histories and not

just

> > snippets of their craft.

> >

> > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

> > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and subjectively

> > sound and honestly meant.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > I think your question is already answered but

just

> > one

> > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> suggested.

> > If

> > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner

(be

> it

> > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet)

you

> > will

> > > see the results yourself.

> > >

> > > Gaurav

> > >

> > > , "Manoshi"

> > <khallopapa>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of remedies

> > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > > >

> > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist,

the

> > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna, with

> > venus

> > > in

> > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets

have

> > to

> > > be

> > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was

told

> > to

> > > me

> > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our dear

> > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > >

> > > > --Manoshi

> > > >

> > > > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest

> > > Lakshmi

> > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits

me

> > the

> > > > best.

> > > > >

> > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> > stuff..

> > > > these

> > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

These

> > is

> > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> learned

> > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > pronunciations

> > > > > give me problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> earlier,

> > > and

> > > > it

> > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to

> you

> > I

> > > am

> > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of

the

> > > > planet,

> > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

increase

> > the

> > > > good

> > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need

to

> > be

> > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them.

A

> > deity

> > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this

> way.

> > > > >

> > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me

> > 100%

> > > > and

> > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong

> or

> > > just

> > > > it

> > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> > > related...

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to

> > > > planets.

> > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > > websites...

> > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for

> > > Mars !!

> > > > I

> > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible.

Do

> > > anyone

> > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take

care

> > of

> > > > Mars?

> > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > Tanvir

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question

came

> > > > up...how

> > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> > appeased

> > > > and

> > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> diamond..?

> > > > that's

> > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

:-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's advocate,

don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by questioning, a

la Socrates!

OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

place? :-)

There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva, even

an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in all

religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the downtrodden,

and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition that

we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", i.e.

implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the matter.

Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once again

end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too busy

at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking. Unfortunately,

most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work on

their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our day

to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way to

get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose of

humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what you

want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does not

in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get used

to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

Venkatarama

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Inder ji,

>

> Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right

for

> certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

happen

> anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

> remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

> period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials

are

> of no real help! :-)

>

> RR

>

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> > My views on this issue are like this:

> > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> money,win

> > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial Gems,

> > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or mantra

or

> > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > Inder

> > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

transient

> > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

(delay

> > in

> > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

> hope

> > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

> pillar

> > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> frustrated

> > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

would

> > say,

> > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

mentioned

> > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas

of

> > 5th

> > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

> when

> > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > discussed

> > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones,

> are

> > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately,

from

> > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

well-

> > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of cases.

> > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better

job

> > on

> > > this front and have published detailed case histories and not

> just

> > > snippets of their craft.

> > >

> > > We all need to address that better and then make overly strong

> > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

subjectively

> > > sound and honestly meant.

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > I think your question is already answered but

> just

> > > one

> > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > suggested.

> > > If

> > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner

> (be

> > it

> > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet)

> you

> > > will

> > > > see the results yourself.

> > > >

> > > > Gaurav

> > > >

> > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > <khallopapa>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

remedies

> > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > > > >

> > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist,

> the

> > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

with

> > > venus

> > > > in

> > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets

> have

> > > to

> > > > be

> > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was

> told

> > > to

> > > > me

> > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

dear

> > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > >

> > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Tanvir

Chowdhury"

> > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

suggest

> > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits

> me

> > > the

> > > > > best.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> > > stuff..

> > > > > these

> > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

> These

> > > is

> > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> > learned

> > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > pronunciations

> > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> > earlier,

> > > > and

> > > > > it

> > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS

to

> > you

> > > I

> > > > am

> > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of

> the

> > > > > planet,

> > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> increase

> > > the

> > > > > good

> > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

need

> to

> > > be

> > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

them.

> A

> > > deity

> > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

this

> > way.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits

me

> > > 100%

> > > > > and

> > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

wrong

> > or

> > > > just

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity

> > > > related...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related

to

> > > > > planets.

> > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > > > websites...

> > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed

for

> > > > Mars !!

> > > > > I

> > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible.

> Do

> > > > anyone

> > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take

> care

> > > of

> > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question

> came

> > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be

> > > appeased

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > diamond..?

> > > > > that's

> > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

"whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what you

want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

higher power WILL make that happen at the right time."

....Amen!

a beautiful posting by you as usual.

Manoshi

, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's

advocate,

> don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by questioning,

a

> la Socrates!

>

> OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

> predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

> place? :-)

>

> There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

even

> an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in

all

> religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the

downtrodden,

> and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition

that

> we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", i.e.

> implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the

matter.

> Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once again

> end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too busy

> at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

>

> I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

> faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking.

Unfortunately,

> most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

> request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work on

> their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our

day

> to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way

to

> get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose

of

> humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what

you

> want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

> what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

> higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does

not

> in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

> responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

> reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get

used

> to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

>

> Venkatarama

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Inder ji,

> >

> > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right

> for

> > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

> happen

> > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

> > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

> > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials

> are

> > of no real help! :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > > My views on this issue are like this:

> > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> > money,win

> > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial

Gems,

> > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or

mantra

> or

> > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > > Inder

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

> transient

> > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

> (delay

> > > in

> > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

> > hope

> > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

> > pillar

> > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> > frustrated

> > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

> would

> > > say,

> > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

> mentioned

> > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas

> of

> > > 5th

> > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

> > when

> > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > > discussed

> > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed

ones,

> > are

> > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately,

> from

> > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

> well-

> > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of

cases.

> > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better

> job

> > > on

> > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and

not

> > just

> > > > snippets of their craft.

> > > >

> > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly

strong

> > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

> subjectively

> > > > sound and honestly meant.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > > I think your question is already answered

but

> > just

> > > > one

> > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > > suggested.

> > > > If

> > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper

manner

> > (be

> > > it

> > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned

planet)

> > you

> > > > will

> > > > > see the results yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

> remedies

> > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an

email.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you

insist,

> > the

> > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

> with

> > > > venus

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak

planets

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing

was

> > told

> > > > to

> > > > > me

> > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

> dear

> > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

> suggest

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM

suits

> > me

> > > > the

> > > > > > best.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI

and

> > > > stuff..

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

> > These

> > > > is

> > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> > > learned

> > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > > pronunciations

> > > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> > > earlier,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS

> to

> > > you

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness

of

> > the

> > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> > increase

> > > > the

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

> need

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

> them.

> > A

> > > > deity

> > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

> this

> > > way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never

suits

> me

> > > > 100%

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

> wrong

> > > or

> > > > > just

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the

deity

> > > > > related...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in

some

> > > > > > websites...

> > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed

> for

> > > > > Mars !!

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly

possible.

> > Do

> > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras

take

> > care

> > > > of

> > > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this

question

> > came

> > > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should

be

> > > > appeased

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > > diamond..?

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Dear Venkatarama,

Taking a leaf out of your post, some points that

come to my mind.

- There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva, even

an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

Lord........just that we "should", i.e. implicitly acknowledging the

existence of our choice in the matter.

What exactly is our choice when everything is the will of the

Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the God.

I am not referring to free will or karma so lets not go into that.

- This does not in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though!

You are responsible for the effort.

Another interesting aspect, our realization to a fact(it is actually

quite liberating now) should also lead us to a different plane of

thinking. But how many do actually realize it is another side of the

coin.

Gaurav

, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's advocate,

> don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by questioning,

a

> la Socrates!

>

> OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

> predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

> place? :-)

>

> There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

even

> an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in

all

> religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the downtrodden,

> and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition that

> we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", i.e.

> implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the matter.

> Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once again

> end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too busy

> at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

>

> I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

> faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking. Unfortunately,

> most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

> request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work on

> their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our

day

> to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way to

> get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose of

> humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what

you

> want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

> what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

> higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does not

> in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

> responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

> reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get

used

> to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

>

> Venkatarama

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Inder ji,

> >

> > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right

> for

> > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

> happen

> > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

> > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

> > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials

> are

> > of no real help! :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > > My views on this issue are like this:

> > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> > money,win

> > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial Gems,

> > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or mantra

> or

> > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > > Inder

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

> transient

> > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

> (delay

> > > in

> > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

> > hope

> > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

> > pillar

> > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> > frustrated

> > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

> would

> > > say,

> > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

> mentioned

> > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas

> of

> > > 5th

> > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

> > when

> > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > > discussed

> > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed ones,

> > are

> > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately,

> from

> > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

> well-

> > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of

cases.

> > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better

> job

> > > on

> > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and not

> > just

> > > > snippets of their craft.

> > > >

> > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly

strong

> > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

> subjectively

> > > > sound and honestly meant.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > > I think your question is already answered but

> > just

> > > > one

> > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > > suggested.

> > > > If

> > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper manner

> > (be

> > > it

> > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned planet)

> > you

> > > > will

> > > > > see the results yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

> remedies

> > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an email.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you insist,

> > the

> > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

> with

> > > > venus

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak planets

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing was

> > told

> > > > to

> > > > > me

> > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

> dear

> > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

> suggest

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM

suits

> > me

> > > > the

> > > > > > best.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and

> > > > stuff..

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

> > These

> > > > is

> > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> > > learned

> > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > > pronunciations

> > > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> > > earlier,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS

> to

> > > you

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness

of

> > the

> > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> > increase

> > > > the

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

> need

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

> them.

> > A

> > > > deity

> > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

> this

> > > way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits

> me

> > > > 100%

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

> wrong

> > > or

> > > > > just

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the

deity

> > > > > related...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related

> to

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some

> > > > > > websites...

> > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed

> for

> > > > > Mars !!

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly

possible.

> > Do

> > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take

> > care

> > > > of

> > > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question

> > came

> > > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should

be

> > > > appeased

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > > diamond..?

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Dear Gaurav,

Hmm. Good question. "What exactly is our choice when everything is

the will of the

> Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the

God."

I struggle with this too. It seems to depend so much on how we

define this problem!! Take the example of an ocean. If we follow the

course of a single molecule of water, there is so much movement! The

waves are constantly dashing it hither and thither, the sun

evaporates it, eventually it comes back down as rain, finally making

its way into a stream that flows into a river which eventually

brings it back to the ocean. But then, if we change our frame of

reference to the entire ocean itself, it really stays in the same

place thoughout, doesn't it! That is, if we restrict ourselves to a

time frame of hundreds or thousands of years, any more than that,

and we run into changes there - the ocean may have been much smaller

or much bigger, because of the continental drifts. Long before that,

there wasn't any ocean at all, and longer back, there was no earth

and no universe before. I guess what I am trying to say, is, how do

we define God's will vs our choice. If the timeframe is short, the

context is narrow and the question is something like "will I have

potatoes or carrots for lunch", then yes, it is my choice. A bigger

question like "should I study medicine or engineering" obviously is

a summation of many factors, my choice being one of them. And when

you get to questions like which family did I take birth in, well, my

choice in that case was zero.

The Geetha describes the various vaasanas that follow us into this

lifetime, influencing our innate behaviors and attitudes, the

trigunas and the amsas. This is a vast topic, and I am by no means

an expert, but maybe I will post on this later when I have some

time. This discusses our choices, and what motivates us to make one

choice over another, as well as the "will of God" part of this all.

My suspicion is that the problem is mine - my intelligence is too

puny to truly understand :-). Things look like contradictions only

because I am unable to grasp the full picture.

Venkatarama

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Dear Venkatarama,

> Taking a leaf out of your post, some points that

> come to my mind.

>

> - There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

even

> an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> Lord........just that we "should", i.e. implicitly acknowledging

the

> existence of our choice in the matter.

>

> What exactly is our choice when everything is the will of the

> Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the

God.

> I am not referring to free will or karma so lets not go into that.

>

> - This does not in any way excuse YOU from making the effort,

though!

> You are responsible for the effort.

>

> Another interesting aspect, our realization to a fact(it is

actually

> quite liberating now) should also lead us to a different plane of

> thinking. But how many do actually realize it is another side of

the

> coin.

>

> Gaurav

>

> , "venkatarama_sastry"

> <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's

advocate,

> > don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by

questioning,

> a

> > la Socrates!

> >

> > OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

> > predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

> > place? :-)

> >

> > There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

> even

> > an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> > Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in

> all

> > religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the

downtrodden,

> > and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition

that

> > we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should",

i.e.

> > implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the

matter.

> > Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once

again

> > end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too

busy

> > at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

> >

> > I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

> > faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking.

Unfortunately,

> > most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

> > request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work

on

> > their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our

> day

> > to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way

to

> > get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose

of

> > humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what

> you

> > want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that

knows

> > what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and

that

> > higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does

not

> > in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

> > responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

> > reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get

> used

> > to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

> >

> > Venkatarama

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Inder ji,

> > >

> > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is

right

> > for

> > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

> > happen

> > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits

of

> > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during

those

> > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo,

remedials

> > are

> > > of no real help! :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > My views on this issue are like this:

> > > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> > > money,win

> > > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial

Gems,

> > > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings

will

> > > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not

dodge

> > > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or

mantra

> > or

> > > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > > > Inder

> > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

> > transient

> > > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

> > (delay

> > > > in

> > > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song

of

> > > hope

> > > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running

from

> > > pillar

> > > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> > > frustrated

> > > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

> > would

> > > > say,

> > > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

> > mentioned

> > > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during

dashas

> > of

> > > > 5th

> > > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption

even

> > > when

> > > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > > > discussed

> > > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed

ones,

> > > are

> > > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene,

unfortunately,

> > from

> > > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

> > well-

> > > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of

> cases.

> > > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much

better

> > job

> > > > on

> > > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and

not

> > > just

> > > > > snippets of their craft.

> > > > >

> > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly

> strong

> > > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

> > subjectively

> > > > > sound and honestly meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > > > I think your question is already answered

but

> > > just

> > > > > one

> > > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > > > suggested.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper

manner

> > > (be

> > > > it

> > > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned

planet)

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > see the results yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gaurav

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

> > remedies

> > > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an

email.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you

insist,

> > > the

> > > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

> > with

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak

planets

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing

was

> > > told

> > > > > to

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

> > dear

> > > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Tanvir

> > Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

> > suggest

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM

> suits

> > > me

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > best.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI

and

> > > > > stuff..

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-

ai").

> > > These

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from

many

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > > > pronunciations

> > > > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about

it

> > > > earlier,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD

NEWS

> > to

> > > > you

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic

ness

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> > > increase

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

> > need

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

> > them.

> > > A

> > > > > deity

> > > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

> > this

> > > > way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never

suits

> > me

> > > > > 100%

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

> > wrong

> > > > or

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the

> deity

> > > > > > related...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in

some

> > > > > > > websites...

> > > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is

prayed

> > for

> > > > > > Mars !!

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly

> possible.

> > > Do

> > > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras

take

> > > care

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this

question

> > > came

> > > > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets

should

> be

> > > > > appeased

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > > > diamond..?

> > > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Gauruv,

I think when we human beings exercise choice we are

witnessing/experiencing that which is represented by Divinity of which

we all are a part of and not separate from.

To deny the freedom of choice or existence or to pose or think of

ourselves as puppets, is like denying the existence of divinity and

our connection with it. To me that sounds like sacrilege!

RR

, "Gaurav Sharma"

<gauravkom> wrote:

> Dear Venkatarama,

> Taking a leaf out of your post, some points that

> come to my mind.

>

> - There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

even

> an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> Lord........just that we "should", i.e. implicitly acknowledging the

> existence of our choice in the matter.

>

> What exactly is our choice when everything is the will of the

> Lord... or can we say that "our choice" is also the will of the God.

> I am not referring to free will or karma so lets not go into that.

>

> - This does not in any way excuse YOU from making the effort,

though!

> You are responsible for the effort.

>

> Another interesting aspect, our realization to a fact(it is actually

> quite liberating now) should also lead us to a different plane of

> thinking. But how many do actually realize it is another side of the

> coin.

>

> Gaurav

>

> , "venkatarama_sastry"

> <venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> > :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's

advocate,

> > don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by questioning,

> a

> > la Socrates!

> >

> > OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

> > predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

> > place? :-)

> >

> > There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

> even

> > an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> > Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in

> all

> > religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the

downtrodden,

> > and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition

that

> > we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", i.e.

> > implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the

matter.

> > Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once again

> > end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too busy

> > at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

> >

> > I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

> > faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking.

Unfortunately,

> > most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

> > request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work on

> > their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our

> day

> > to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way

to

> > get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose

of

> > humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what

> you

> > want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

> > what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

> > higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does

not

> > in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

> > responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

> > reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get

> used

> > to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

> >

> > Venkatarama

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Inder ji,

> > >

> > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right

> > for

> > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

> > happen

> > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

> > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

> > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials

> > are

> > > of no real help! :-)

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > My views on this issue are like this:

> > > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> > > money,win

> > > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial

Gems,

> > > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> > > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> > > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or

mantra

> > or

> > > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > > > Inder

> > > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

> > transient

> > > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

> > (delay

> > > > in

> > > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

> > > hope

> > > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

> > > pillar

> > > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> > > frustrated

> > > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

> > would

> > > > say,

> > > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

> > mentioned

> > > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas

> > of

> > > > 5th

> > > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

> > > when

> > > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > > > discussed

> > > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed

ones,

> > > are

> > > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately,

> > from

> > > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

> > well-

> > > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of

> cases.

> > > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better

> > job

> > > > on

> > > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and

not

> > > just

> > > > > snippets of their craft.

> > > > >

> > > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly

> strong

> > > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

> > subjectively

> > > > > sound and honestly meant.

> > > > >

> > > > > RR

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > > > I think your question is already answered

but

> > > just

> > > > > one

> > > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > > > suggested.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper

manner

> > > (be

> > > > it

> > > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned

planet)

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > see the results yourself.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Gaurav

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

> > remedies

> > > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an

email.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you

insist,

> > > the

> > > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

> > with

> > > > > venus

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak

planets

> > > have

> > > > > to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing

was

> > > told

> > > > > to

> > > > > > me

> > > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

> > dear

> > > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Tanvir

> > Chowdhury"

> > > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

> > suggest

> > > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM

> suits

> > > me

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > best.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI

and

> > > > > stuff..

> > > > > > > these

> > > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

> > > These

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> > > > learned

> > > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > > > pronunciations

> > > > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> > > > earlier,

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS

> > to

> > > > you

> > > > > I

> > > > > > am

> > > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> > > increase

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

> > need

> > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

> > them.

> > > A

> > > > > deity

> > > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

> > this

> > > > way.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never

suits

> > me

> > > > > 100%

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

> > wrong

> > > > or

> > > > > > just

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the

> deity

> > > > > > related...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities

> > > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in

some

> > > > > > > websites...

> > > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed

> > for

> > > > > > Mars !!

> > > > > > > I

> > > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly

> possible.

> > > Do

> > > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras

take

> > > care

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this

question

> > > came

> > > > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should

> be

> > > > > appeased

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > > > diamond..?

> > > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Mr. Venkat,

It was Inderji who was maintaining that many of the events are fixed

(=predestined) and so remedy probably just remains a 'nice' thing to

do but cannot really change predestined events. I don't believe he

has responded to my question so hopefully I am not misunderstanding

him.

My personal belief is that destiny is not a track cut in granite of

time through which human lives MUST flow with the slope determined

by karma (worse the karma, steeper the slope of fall). I have a

softer view of the track. There is a track for sure, it may be

deeper at places, shallower at other places and it is always

possible to climb out of the river. There are also footholds of

dharma, grace, remedies available and some of these are not fixed in

the river bed either because some of these are branches that we can

cling to before we enter the mouth of the waterfall (a seriously

predestined karmic situation). To flow with the TAO of inactivity,

often the luxury of individuals who have had a cushy life is not the

only path and the path allows action, choice, sukarma. Life is not

about stasis or slow metamorphosis, but also about action -- action

and freedom to choose which is not arrogance but the realization

that when God made us, His Divine hands touched ours and perhaps the

touch left on ours a divine responsibility, to exercise our divine

birthright, of choosing and acting. I don't have to tell a wise

sattwik scholar like you with such a deep grounding in and knowledge

of hindu scripture etc., how the Devil entered into the mix once the

action was initiated by those hands touched by Grace!

RR

, "venkatarama_sastry"

<venkatarama_sastry> wrote:

> :-) My dear Rohiniranjan, you DO like playing the devil's

advocate,

> don't you! That's good, it's a great way to learn, by questioning,

a

> la Socrates!

>

> OK, so the events are predestined. So how about if you are

> predestined to do the remedies too, so that those events take

> place? :-)

>

> There is a saying in Telugu, that without the command of Shiva,

even

> an ant will not bite, meaning that everything is the will of the

> Lord. At the same time, the will of the Lord itself indicates in

all

> religions that we should lead a dharmic life, help the

downtrodden,

> and not harm anyone - note that it never says in any tradition

that

> we are "predestined" to live that way, just that we "should", i.e.

> implicitly acknowledging the existence of our choice in the

matter.

> Taking the argument to its logical conclusion, we will once again

> end up with our ongoing debate about karma and free will! Too busy

> at work for that now, but that sure is a fascinating subject!!

>

> I agree 100% with your statement, that devotion must come from

> faith, and not from mere transient wishful thinking.

Unfortunately,

> most people are only interested in quick fixes! How many people

> request an astrological reading to know themselves, and to work on

> their weaknesses? Most people (including me) are so mired in our

day

> to day wants, and just want to know the quickest and easiest way

to

> get what they want. Faith, in my mind, comes with a healthy dose

of

> humility - whether things seem fair or not, whether you get what

you

> want or not, rest assured that there is a higher power that knows

> what you need and wehn you need it, better than yourself, and that

> higher power WILL make that happen at the right time. This does

not

> in any way excuse YOU from making the effort, though! You are

> responsible for the effort, and That which is beyond you is

> reponsible for the result. Although this was hard for me to get

used

> to initially, it is actually quite liberating now!

>

> Venkatarama

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Inder ji,

> >

> > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right

> for

> > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these

> happen

> > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of

> > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those

> > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials

> are

> > of no real help! :-)

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > > My views on this issue are like this:

> > > Time of good happening {marriage, job, child birth,gain of

> > money,win

> > > in litigation etc etc} are fixed. You can have beneficial

Gems,

> > > Mantra, Pooja etc at that time only. I mean both timings will

> > > coincide. Karma comes first, God comes next. We can not dodge

> > > destiny. When time is ripe you wear Gem, get blessing or

mantra

> or

> > > yantra etc. You can not bribe God or Godess.

> > > Only that prayer etc will give you mental peace.

> > > Inder

> > > -- In , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > and that devotion must come from faith and not a more

> transient

> > > > wishful thinking. When challenged, primarily through time

> (delay

> > > in

> > > > getting an effect), the wishful, thinking, the siren song of

> > hope

> > > > fades very quickly and we witness the nativity running from

> > pillar

> > > > to post asking for readings everywhere and getting more

> > frustrated

> > > > and even losing money and time. It is presumably, as some

> would

> > > say,

> > > > due to bad periods or inopportune dashas (I think you

> mentioned

> > > > Gauruv that the best remedies are [only?] seen during dashas

> of

> > > 5th

> > > > and 9th lord -- or something like that) but presumption even

> > when

> > > > logically sounding really sets in when case histories are

> > > discussed

> > > > illustrating such astro-logic. Case histories, detailed

ones,

> > are

> > > > sadly lacking from the entire jyotish scene, unfortunately,

> from

> > > > Parashara's time all the way down to modern times. Even in

> well-

> > > > intentioned articles and books we just get a glimpse of

cases.

> > > > Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better

> job

> > > on

> > > > this front and have published detailed case histories and

not

> > just

> > > > snippets of their craft.

> > > >

> > > > We all need to address that better and then make overly

strong

> > > > claims, even if those (claims) are anecdotally and

> subjectively

> > > > sound and honestly meant.

> > > >

> > > > RR

> > > >

> > > > , "Gaurav Sharma"

> > > > <gauravkom> wrote:

> > > > > Hello Manoshi,

> > > > > I think your question is already answered

but

> > just

> > > > one

> > > > > point i would like to add to all the possible remedies

> > > suggested.

> > > > If

> > > > > you do a remedy with all the devotion and in a proper

manner

> > (be

> > > it

> > > > > chanting mantra of a deity or that of the concerned

planet)

> > you

> > > > will

> > > > > see the results yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Gaurav

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > Well to be honest, I am not a very firm believer of

> remedies

> > > > > > (personal opinion). Ranjan Kaku, I will send you an

email.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Well Gaurav, it was a general question but if you

insist,

> > the

> > > > > > question came up looking at a chart with cancer lagna,

> with

> > > > venus

> > > > > in

> > > > > > 6th when the AD is not very fruitful. So the weak

planets

> > have

> > > > to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > appeased....but how?

> > > > > > Tanvir your reply answers my question. The same thing

was

> > told

> > > > to

> > > > > me

> > > > > > about worshipping deity rather than the planets by our

> dear

> > > > > > VenkataRama Sastry when I was talking to her.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --Manoshi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "Tanvir

> Chowdhury"

> > > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > > > > > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would

> suggest

> > > > > Lakshmi

> > > > > > > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM

suits

> > me

> > > > the

> > > > > > best.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI

and

> > > > stuff..

> > > > > > these

> > > > > > > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai").

> > These

> > > > is

> > > > > > > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many

> > > learned

> > > > > > > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong

> > > > pronunciations

> > > > > > > give me problems.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it

> > > earlier,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish-

> > > > > > > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS

> to

> > > you

> > > > I

> > > > > am

> > > > > > > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness

of

> > the

> > > > > > planet,

> > > > > > > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would

> > increase

> > > > the

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do

> need

> > to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of

> them.

> > A

> > > > deity

> > > > > > > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune

> this

> > > way.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never

suits

> me

> > > > 100%

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > must give some problems. May be I am doing something

> wrong

> > > or

> > > > > just

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the

deity

> > > > > related...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I will give a complete reference of all deities

> > > > > > planets.

> > > > > > > There are many wrong theories going on about it in

some

> > > > > > websites...

> > > > > > > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed

> for

> > > > > Mars !!

> > > > > > I

> > > > > > > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly

possible.

> > Do

> > > > > anyone

> > > > > > > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras

take

> > care

> > > > of

> > > > > > Mars?

> > > > > > > I am just curious...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Best wishes always

> > > > > > > Tanvir

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "Manoshi"

> > > > > > <khallopapa>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this

question

> > came

> > > > > > up...how

> > > > > > > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should

be

> > > > appeased

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating

> > > diamond..?

> > > > > > that's

> > > > > > > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Manoshi

July 12, 2004

Dear Rohini Jee, if you (or 'we'?) believe in Astrology, then we

would have to accept that remedy is a blessing which is a grace of

God, and 'Blessings', 'God', and most good things are governed by the

9th house. Would not you agree that 9th lord is the most 'Benefic' in

general? And if a 7th lord can raise the chance of one getting

married, then would not a 9th lord raise the chance of getting a good

remedy? A 9th lord might not always offer the remedy, but that does

not prove anything, because even a 7th lord might not provide

marriage provided by it's debilitated, afflicted etc etc. Now if a

client asks you when he can likely marry and you answer, 'Not before

you pass next 4 years' then he might argue and try to prove his free

will and ask 'WHY?' Then you can only answer that the next 4 years

are not operated by planets having a strong relation with 7th lord /

Venus. And then, it is the same answer then the time period must

relate somehow to 9th lord, jupiter etc to do the remedy

successfully. Or if you want to say that a man can marry where the

period is nowhere indicating marriage and he is going against the

chart and excercising free will, then you can surely say that yes

remedy also depends on free will and not on those lords / planets,

but then do not you actually prove that practicing astrology means

non-sense? (Perdon me for the word, but I had to use the right word

to convey the right meaning, and nothing else.)

Many of the remedy means prayers, mantras, yajnas, etc. all of which

relates to the 9th house, so you must get a period to get it,

otherwise, how can that happen? (Mantras=5th house, that I list in

remedies already, but mantras are also prayers=9th house, 5th is also

9th to 9th) Yes there are remedies from other houses, say gemstones

is 2nd, but in those cases of successful gem-remedies, you will see

2nd lord/house connecting with these 'remedy houses'.

Or sometimes these connections may not be there. Why? I know a person

who faced financial problems for wearing a stone, and he still wore

it for 8 years, then removed. Now, did he do a 'successful' remedy?

If not, will those 5/9 houses come here? And if they do not come,

would it be fair to declare that remedy doesn't need those 5/9

houses? Even the methological use of gemstones are gotten from

Astrology, a part of Hinduism, a religion = 9th house. 9th house

means divinity, and remedy is a divinity. And if there is no divnity

indicated in the chart but the person still enjoying divine bless,

then either the astrologer is not good enough to see it or astrologer

itself is bogus. How come two contradicting statements come true same

time?

It has been my experience from my life as well as other's lives that

remedies, along with all other TRUE KALYANAS are possible only in the

periods of 9th lord, 5th lord, jupiter etc. And even theoritically it

is true. YES there might be successful remedies or KALYANAS in a

malefic period, say the AD I found good remedies in, was Rahu AD, but

this does not prove it false, because there are certainastrological

reasons behind this, and now if anyone asks me I am NOT going to

discuss it again since I did so many times in many of my articles and

while answering others' questions. But if we fail to see the reason

and declare that good things are possible in malefic periods, it

would not be fair. To 'modern' people Religion seems a set of foolish

rules and meaningless customs and beliefs, but the ultimate Kalyana

and good lies inside the religion that is proved by Astrology, since

the house ruling religion rules all sort of good things and virtues

in life and the benefic role of the 9th lord in a chart only proves

this over and over. [Now kindly do not give examples where the 9th

lord is afflicted or fallen or rules someother evil 6th or 12th

houses] :-)

>>Actually westerns astrologer/writers have done a much better job on

this front and have published detailed case histories and not just

snippets of their craft.<<

This is no credit of western astrologers, but it's the mentality of

western people to be candid about even their personal life, sex

partners, personal secrets, family secrets etc. etc., and we Indians

would not feel so easy to tell it away to people, that is our

mentality to do so! I remember that when chatting to an American net

friend of me, I was jokingly blaming their culture for being 'WILD',

and too open etc. (Western people don't mind here, it was a joke) and

he was telling that we are too shy to tell even the doctor about out

personal (!) diseases! It has been my experience (and also the fact

is this, we all know) that western people do not feel uncomfortable

to tell even most personal matters, even to a newly introduced

people. (And not to only astrologers for the sake of building better

case studies, LOL!)

Tanvir