Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Dear All, Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came up...how to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased and benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..? that's expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 why shukra? Therapy is only as good as the diagnosis, they say! , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear All, > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came up...how > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased and > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..? that's > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Hello Manoshi, Can you please provide the full date of birth of the person who requires the above Shukra Appeasement. Also if you are talking about general Shukra Appeasement then the issue should be mentioned. Gaurav , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear All, > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came up...how > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased and > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..? that's > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2004 Report Share Posted July 10, 2004 Dear Tanvir and all, Yes..u r cent percent right about the correct pronunication of lakshmi mantras. For sukra appeasement....the worship of ranganatha perumal with lakshmi is seen in the old texts...the temple is situated in srirangam and the vishnu is in sleeping position and effective remedy for sukra. Visiting the temple often or worshipping the picture at home gives much needed boost to sukra...this i am telling from my own life experience..... sriganeshh , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would suggest Lakshmi > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM suits me the best. > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI and stuff.. these > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is > grammatically correct which I have made sure from many learned > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong pronunciations > give me problems. > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about it earlier, and it > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD NEWS to you I am > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic ness of the planet, > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would increase the good > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do need to be > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of them. A deity > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune this way. > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never suits me 100% and > must give some problems. May be I am doing something wrong or just it > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the deity related... > > I will give a complete reference of all deities related to planets. > There are many wrong theories going on about it in some websites... > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is prayed for Mars !! I > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly possible. Do anyone > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras take care of Mars? > I am just curious... > > Best wishes always > Tanvir > > > , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this question came up...how > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets should be appeased and > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating diamond..? that's > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Just throwing in a thought Tanvir .. Should mars be a death inflicting planet in a horoscope if the native does do Mrityunjaya mantra I presume that will still ward off many problems .. I believe a diety when invoked provides an umbrella for all round problems .. --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > Some people would go for Shukra mantra but I would > suggest Lakshmi > Mantras. The one OM SHRI MAHA LAKSHMIYAI NAMAHA OM > suits me the best. > > Note the word LAKSHMIYAI. Some would say LAKSHMIYEI > and stuff.. these > are wrong. It would be only LAKSHMIYAI > ("Lakshmi-ai"). These is > grammatically correct which I have made sure from > many learned > persons (Such as PVR Guru Ji) and also those wrong > pronunciations > give me problems. > > You raise a very good point. I have answered about > it earlier, and it > has been indexed in my article site http://jyotish- > articles.netfirms.com ... and my answer is a GOOD > NEWS to you I am > sure. And that is, regardless to benefic/malefic > ness of the planet, > you can always chant the deity's mantra that would > increase the good > of planet and decrease the bad ! So even benefics do > need to be > remedy-ed, to bring out the maximum possible out of > them. A deity > mantra related to 9th lord can provide great fortune > this way. > > When I pray to the planets directly then it never > suits me 100% and > must give some problems. May be I am doing something > wrong or just it > is the rule. Parasara also mentions to pray to the > deity related... > > I will give a complete reference of all deities > related to planets. > There are many wrong theories going on about it in > some websites... > say I saw a website where it said that Shiva is > prayed for Mars !! I > did many Shiva Mantras and know that is hardly > possible. Do anyone > here think for their experience that Shiva mantras > take care of Mars? > I am just curious... > > Best wishes always > Tanvir > > > , "Manoshi" > <khallopapa> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > Today after talking to a friend of mine this > question came up...how > > to appease shukra? As they say, weak planets > should be appeased and > > benefics should be strengthened. well.. donating > diamond..? that's > > expensive. What mantras can appease shukra? > > > > Manoshi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 The answer I have partially given somehow in my new website that is soon coming up. If you note the Maha Mrityunjaya Mantra then you will see that it is all focussing on the houses 8th and 12th. It is praying for freedom from bondage (8), saving from death (8+12) and immortality (8+12) for the sake of moksha (12). Shiva rules both Sani and Moon (In my view/experience) both of which are solely connected with the criterias above esp Sani is very much of it. Death, bondage, accidant these are the first significations of Sani, and when you pray to Shiva, (With any mantra) then it takes care of Sani thus the problem of death is taken care, Sani is responsible for bondages also, Sani represents seizing, delays, obstruction in natural karaka system. Even Moon is very significant about the longevity sometimes, in BPHS you will see many combinations involving Moon that leads to death soon after birth. But we should focuss the issue more clearly. Suppose Mars is not a death inflictor, but merely another ruler which is creating problem in other fields. Then, will praying to Shiva nullify all the problems Mars is causing? If YES, only then Shiva's prayer would pacify Mars, otherwise not. When Mars is the 8th Lord Mrityunjaya will take care of it but this is just a co-incidence that Mars "IS" the 8th lord, and you get the benefit since Mrityunjaya takes care of 8th house. But what is about all other houses? And also remember Mrityunjaya is not the only Shiva Mantra and the question was if "Shiva's prayers" (Not "Mrityunjaya") pacifies Mars. I really do not agree that one single Deity would provide all the blessings in all the fields, and I do not also like the idea to pray to only one deity for being under a particular race etc. because Hinduism has all it's Deities and Jyotish teaches us not to be stubborn to pray to only one Deity, because prayer to ALL is required for different purposes that is what Jyotish teaches, and that is why Jyotish is the Eye of Vedas. Lord Krishna is surely an exception, but the wisemen who pray to only Krishna do not have interest in mere worldly happiness like many of us here, they have a higher goal and so they do it. Regards, Tanvir. , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Just throwing in a thought Tanvir .. > > Should mars be a death inflicting planet in a > horoscope if the native does do Mrityunjaya mantra I > presume that will still ward off many problems .. > > I believe a diety when invoked provides an umbrella > for all round problems .. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2004 Report Share Posted July 12, 2004 Good point Tanvir, I do agree with what you are saying ... in fact I was wondering if the person who had suggested Praying to Shiva was looking at Mars who was causing the problems that you had mentioned ... I was just throwing in a thought that even shiva can be invoked to counter the effects of Mars based on an individual chart .. this is pretty much evident from your own mail !! --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > The answer I have partially given somehow in my new > website that is > soon coming up. If you note the Maha Mrityunjaya > Mantra then you will > see that it is all focussing on the houses 8th and > 12th. It is > praying for freedom from bondage (8), saving from > death (8+12) and > immortality (8+12) for the sake of moksha (12). > Shiva rules both Sani > and Moon (In my view/experience) both of which are > solely connected > with the criterias above esp Sani is very much of > it. Death, bondage, > accidant these are the first significations of Sani, > and when you > pray to Shiva, (With any mantra) then it takes care > of Sani thus the > problem of death is taken care, Sani is responsible > for bondages > also, Sani represents seizing, delays, obstruction > in natural karaka > system. Even Moon is very significant about the > longevity sometimes, > in BPHS you will see many combinations involving > Moon that leads to > death soon after birth. > > But we should focuss the issue more clearly. Suppose > Mars is not a > death inflictor, but merely another ruler which is > creating problem > in other fields. Then, will praying to Shiva nullify > all the problems > Mars is causing? If YES, only then Shiva's prayer > would pacify Mars, > otherwise not. > > When Mars is the 8th Lord Mrityunjaya will take care > of it but this > is just a co-incidence that Mars "IS" the 8th lord, > and you get the > benefit since Mrityunjaya takes care of 8th house. > But what is about > all other houses? And also remember Mrityunjaya is > not the only Shiva > Mantra and the question was if "Shiva's prayers" > (Not "Mrityunjaya") > pacifies Mars. > > I really do not agree that one single Deity would > provide all the > blessings in all the fields, and I do not also like > the idea to pray > to only one deity for being under a particular race > etc. because > Hinduism has all it's Deities and Jyotish teaches us > not to be > stubborn to pray to only one Deity, because prayer > to ALL is required > for different purposes that is what Jyotish teaches, > and that is why > Jyotish is the Eye of Vedas. > > Lord Krishna is surely an exception, but the wisemen > who pray to only > Krishna do not have interest in mere worldly > happiness like many of > us here, they have a higher goal and so they do it. > > Regards, > Tanvir. > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Just throwing in a thought Tanvir .. > > > > Should mars be a death inflicting planet in a > > horoscope if the native does do Mrityunjaya mantra > I > > presume that will still ward off many problems .. > > > > I believe a diety when invoked provides an > umbrella > > for all round problems .. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Dear All, I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few of us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As Tanvir said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back what he wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , it gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes care. Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... but my question still remains what would have happened if remedies were not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened becos of those remedies ? Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I want if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next janam. Who has seen next janam? After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of faith and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but some have faith in them and some dont have. Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY something called predestined or learned astrologers could not predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not only faith but fact. But other things....??? Manoshi p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) --Manoshi , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Tanvir, > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in astrological > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to the > tunes of destiny. > One incidence: > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While crossing a > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken surprised > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] and > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but nothing > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the end of > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with a > reward of 10 Taka. > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic situation to > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that nothing > would happen to me.!! > Inder > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for less > > trouble) > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things (marriage > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > and > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, the > event > > is destined to happen." > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why do > not > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked BUT - > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to understand it > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must be a > > very good communication between the two persons discussing it. > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish knowledge / > skill > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If anyone has > a > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / IQ, he > can > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, and gets > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > happeneds > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and can do > as > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common sense > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try it, it > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > pattern > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. Your > effort > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this is > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be delay in > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > effort > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you can end > up > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > indicating > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? Dear > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your answer. > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > limitacy > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is going > to > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the suppossed > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > why 'strong > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is right > for > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these > happen > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits of > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during those > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, remedials > are > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > RR > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Yes dear , it is all matter of faith. Inder -- In , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear All, > > I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came > forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few of > us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As Tanvir > said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back what he > wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , it > gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes care. > Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... but > my question still remains what would have happened if remedies were > not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened becos > of those remedies ? > Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I want > if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next janam. > Who has seen next janam? > After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of faith > and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but some > have faith in them and some dont have. > Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY > something called predestined or learned astrologers could not > predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not only > faith but fact. But other things....??? > > Manoshi > > p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) > > --Manoshi > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in > astrological > > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to the > > tunes of destiny. > > One incidence: > > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While crossing a > > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken surprised > > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] and > > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but > nothing > > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the end > of > > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with a > > reward of 10 Taka. > > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic situation to > > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that nothing > > would happen to me.!! > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for > less > > > trouble) > > > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things > (marriage > > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > > > and > > > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, the > > event > > > is destined to happen." > > > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why do > > not > > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked BUT - > > > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to understand > it > > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must be > a > > > very good communication between the two persons discussing it. > > > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish knowledge / > > skill > > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If anyone > has > > a > > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / IQ, > he > > can > > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, and > gets > > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > > happeneds > > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and can > do > > as > > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common > sense > > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try it, > it > > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > > pattern > > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. Your > > effort > > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this is > > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be delay > in > > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > > effort > > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you can > end > > up > > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > > indicating > > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? Dear > > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your answer. > > > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > > limitacy > > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is > going > > to > > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the suppossed > > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > > why 'strong > > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > right > > for > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these > > happen > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits > of > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > those > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > remedials > > are > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 > I was just throwing in a thought that even shiva can > be invoked to counter the effects of Mars based on an > individual chart .. this is pretty much evident from > your own mail !! :-) Yes, but not as a general sense / rule in my view :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 Remedies work! The paired-control trial that you seek (what would have happened if the person had not taken remedies) would need life with a reverse-re-record-play button as one cannot go back and re- test. And very few instances of otherwise matched individuals needing same remedies, one taking the remedy and the other not. those things are difficult to do in a controlled scientific laboratory setting, let alone in the marsh-land of astrology! However, a few anecdotal instances do come to mind where a person closely known to me started fasting on saturday and after several such weeks in a situation where his faith was tested, he stopped doing this and also did certain tamasic activities on saturday. Within a short while he sustained a significant monetary loss and the loss came through his wife who was carrying some ornaments which contained a few inheritences. I don't want to read too much into this specific mode of loss but his lagna is cancer and saturn is lord of 7 and 8. There was no indication of the loss in his chart. He went back again on doing saturday fast etc rigorously and certain other things and more or less recouped everything though had to do hard work all along (again all not just due to saturn related reasons). This person was prescribed a neelam by his spiritual guru which he was asked to wear on the ring (sun) finger. This is sometimes considered inappropriate but he had faith in his guru and no harm came to him. Another individual who had great faith in astrology and gemstones and who was always into paying for his karma through his pocketbook mostly through listening to peddlars of black magic -- died at a young age with no clear indicator of death. He was warned about not messing around with that stuff but ... A case study I have described in details as an article (the girl who was prescribed a pearl ...) I think it is on the boloji.com/astro site. I have also seen individuals who were scientists who had limited faith in astrology and none in gemstones and wearning gemstone did not influence them at all. Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in recommending gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their utility in a consistent manner. Someday I will be able to write about all these and more in a more cogent manner, godwilling. But don't include all remedies in the same bag -- you will be doing yourself a disservice. Unless, that is what your heart desires. RR , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear All, > > I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came > forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few of > us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As Tanvir > said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back what he > wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , it > gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes care. > Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... but > my question still remains what would have happened if remedies were > not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened becos > of those remedies ? > Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I want > if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next janam. > Who has seen next janam? > After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of faith > and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but some > have faith in them and some dont have. > Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY > something called predestined or learned astrologers could not > predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not only > faith but fact. But other things....??? > > Manoshi > > p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) > > --Manoshi > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Tanvir, > > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in > astrological > > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to the > > tunes of destiny. > > One incidence: > > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While crossing a > > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken surprised > > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] and > > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but > nothing > > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the end > of > > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with a > > reward of 10 Taka. > > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic situation to > > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that nothing > > would happen to me.!! > > Inder > > > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for > less > > > trouble) > > > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things > (marriage > > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > > > and > > > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, the > > event > > > is destined to happen." > > > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why do > > not > > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked BUT - > > > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to understand > it > > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must be > a > > > very good communication between the two persons discussing it. > > > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish knowledge / > > skill > > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If anyone > has > > a > > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / IQ, > he > > can > > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, and > gets > > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > > happeneds > > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and can > do > > as > > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common > sense > > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try it, > it > > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > > pattern > > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. Your > > effort > > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this is > > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be delay > in > > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > > effort > > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you can > end > > up > > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > > indicating > > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? Dear > > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your answer. > > > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > > limitacy > > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is > going > > to > > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the suppossed > > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > > why 'strong > > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > right > > for > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these > > happen > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have benefits > of > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > those > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > remedials > > are > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > RR > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2004 Report Share Posted July 13, 2004 But there are instances , given by Tanvir and others and I can say myself too when remedy has not worked. NOT WORKED or worked in a diffferent way.(well as you say they WERE done with faith). Well if the remedy did not give what i wanted but gave me the strength to cope up, thats not how remedy should work. If I have malaria and the medicine I took did not cure malaria but i am happy that my hair doesnt fall anymore...is not how remedy should work. I am sorry if I am harsh. I dont want to give examples of the remedies I did(no not gemstonmes, they were deity pooja etc. and believe me, with total devotion and faith) but I can say they did not work. well I cannot say they dont work, may be in my case it did not work :-)as we are all part of the discussion and everyone is presenting their view. manoshi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Remedies work! The paired-control trial that you seek (what would > have happened if the person had not taken remedies) would need life > with a reverse-re-record-play button as one cannot go back and re- > test. And very few instances of otherwise matched individuals > needing same remedies, one taking the remedy and the other not. > those things are difficult to do in a controlled scientific > laboratory setting, let alone in the marsh-land of astrology! > However, a few anecdotal instances do come to mind where a person > closely known to me started fasting on saturday and after several > such weeks in a situation where his faith was tested, he stopped > doing this and also did certain tamasic activities on saturday. > Within a short while he sustained a significant monetary loss and > the loss came through his wife who was carrying some ornaments which > contained a few inheritences. I don't want to read too much into > this specific mode of loss but his lagna is cancer and saturn is > lord of 7 and 8. There was no indication of the loss in his chart. > He went back again on doing saturday fast etc rigorously and certain > other things and more or less recouped everything though had to do > hard work all along (again all not just due to saturn related > reasons). This person was prescribed a neelam by his spiritual guru > which he was asked to wear on the ring (sun) finger. This is > sometimes considered inappropriate but he had faith in his guru and > no harm came to him. > > Another individual who had great faith in astrology and gemstones > and who was always into paying for his karma through his pocketbook > mostly through listening to peddlars of black magic -- died at a > young age with no clear indicator of death. He was warned about not > messing around with that stuff but ... > > A case study I have described in details as an article (the girl who > was prescribed a pearl ...) I think it is on the boloji.com/astro > site. > > I have also seen individuals who were scientists who had limited > faith in astrology and none in gemstones and wearning gemstone did > not influence them at all. > > Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in recommending > gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their > utility in a consistent manner. > > Someday I will be able to write about all these and more in a more > cogent manner, godwilling. > > But don't include all remedies in the same bag -- you will be doing > yourself a disservice. Unless, that is what your heart desires. > > RR > > > > , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> > wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came > > forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few of > > us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As > Tanvir > > said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back what > he > > wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , it > > gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes > care. > > Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... > but > > my question still remains what would have happened if remedies > were > > not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened > becos > > of those remedies ? > > Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I > want > > if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next janam. > > Who has seen next janam? > > After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of > faith > > and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but some > > have faith in them and some dont have. > > Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY > > something called predestined or learned astrologers could not > > predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not only > > faith but fact. But other things....??? > > > > Manoshi > > > > p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) > > > > --Manoshi > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in > > astrological > > > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > > > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to > the > > > tunes of destiny. > > > One incidence: > > > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While crossing > a > > > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken > surprised > > > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] > and > > > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but > > nothing > > > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > > > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the end > > of > > > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > > > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with a > > > reward of 10 Taka. > > > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic situation > to > > > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that nothing > > > would happen to me.!! > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for > > less > > > > trouble) > > > > > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things > > (marriage > > > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, the > > > event > > > > is destined to happen." > > > > > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why > do > > > not > > > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked BUT - > > > > > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to understand > > it > > > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must > be > > a > > > > very good communication between the two persons discussing it. > > > > > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish knowledge / > > > skill > > > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If anyone > > has > > > a > > > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / IQ, > > he > > > can > > > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, and > > gets > > > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > > > happeneds > > > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and > can > > do > > > as > > > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common > > sense > > > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try it, > > it > > > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > > > pattern > > > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. Your > > > effort > > > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this is > > > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be delay > > in > > > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > > > effort > > > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you can > > end > > > up > > > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > > > indicating > > > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? > Dear > > > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your answer. > > > > > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > > > limitacy > > > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is > > going > > > to > > > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the > suppossed > > > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > > > why 'strong > > > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > > right > > > for > > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) these > > > happen > > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have > benefits > > of > > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > > those > > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > > remedials > > > are > > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 Dear Manoshi Ji, If you say from my example that remedies did not work and gave me only mental strength etc., it would be wrong. Remedies did not gave me the betterment because I did the wrong ones as I was running malefic periods and I was destined to do so. As I said I have later succeeded with remedies and enjoying many positive results. I wish I found that in 2002! But alas, my Venus PD was to come only in late 2003... Regards Tanvir. , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > But there are instances , given by Tanvir and others and I can say > myself too when remedy has not worked. NOT WORKED or worked in a > diffferent way.(well as you say they WERE done with faith). Well if > the remedy did not give what i wanted but gave me the strength to > cope up, thats not how remedy should work. If I have malaria and the > medicine I took did not cure malaria but i am happy that my hair > doesnt fall anymore...is not how remedy should work. I am sorry if I > am harsh. I dont want to give examples of the remedies I did(no not > gemstonmes, they were deity pooja etc. and believe me, with total > devotion and faith) but I can say they did not work. well I cannot > say they dont work, may be in my case it did not work :-)as we are > all part of the discussion and everyone is presenting their view. > > manoshi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 > Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in recommending > gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their > utility in a consistent manner. Dear Rohini Ji, Previously the question was if REMEDIES work for faith and now you have been focussing more on if GEMSTONES work for faith... Regards Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I don't think so, Tanvir. In order to do fasting, pooja, volunteer service, penance -- all of which take sustained efforts, having faith would be a given. Why else would one go through all that. In contrast, other than the financial cost, acquiring a gemstone is easy and does not require faith as a prerequisite. Hence the focus on gemstones particularly. I think that has been the consistent theme in my discussion. RR , "Tanvir Chowdhury" <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in recommending > > gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their > > utility in a consistent manner. > > > Dear Rohini Ji, > > Previously the question was if REMEDIES work for faith and now you > have been focussing more on if GEMSTONES work for faith... > > Regards > Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 No you are not being harsh at all. Behave differently and I will stop talking to you :-) We come back to square one as to why remedies did not work in your case. So many possibilities -- this is why it becomes difficult to discuss these without specific data and that takes time! Anyway, it could be wrong diagnosis, wrong prescription, you might have had enough zeal initially or were too desperate but had deep seated doubts, ergo little or no faith intrinsically ... etc. And above all as we all see time and again but a few (maybe more than just a few) refuse to admit that astrology as practiced is not infalliable or 100% accurate or maybe our fates are not 100% predestined and sealed as some continue to maintain rather naively or for whatever other reasons. If astrology itself which has a firmer foundation and rule structure some of which at least is logical, how can the more esoteric, ethereal realm and rules of remedials be any more solid, sure or predictable? There is many a slip between the cup and the lip -- RATS -- here I go again with my cup of tea analogy! Better tone down before I get too unbearable and get thrown out of this merry club!! RR , "Manoshi" <khallopapa> wrote: > But there are instances , given by Tanvir and others and I can say > myself too when remedy has not worked. NOT WORKED or worked in a > diffferent way.(well as you say they WERE done with faith). Well if > the remedy did not give what i wanted but gave me the strength to > cope up, thats not how remedy should work. If I have malaria and the > medicine I took did not cure malaria but i am happy that my hair > doesnt fall anymore...is not how remedy should work. I am sorry if I > am harsh. I dont want to give examples of the remedies I did(no not > gemstonmes, they were deity pooja etc. and believe me, with total > devotion and faith) but I can say they did not work. well I cannot > say they dont work, may be in my case it did not work :-)as we are > all part of the discussion and everyone is presenting their view. > > manoshi > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Remedies work! The paired-control trial that you seek (what would > > have happened if the person had not taken remedies) would need > life > > with a reverse-re-record-play button as one cannot go back and re- > > test. And very few instances of otherwise matched individuals > > needing same remedies, one taking the remedy and the other not. > > those things are difficult to do in a controlled scientific > > laboratory setting, let alone in the marsh-land of astrology! > > However, a few anecdotal instances do come to mind where a person > > closely known to me started fasting on saturday and after several > > such weeks in a situation where his faith was tested, he stopped > > doing this and also did certain tamasic activities on saturday. > > Within a short while he sustained a significant monetary loss and > > the loss came through his wife who was carrying some ornaments > which > > contained a few inheritences. I don't want to read too much into > > this specific mode of loss but his lagna is cancer and saturn is > > lord of 7 and 8. There was no indication of the loss in his chart. > > He went back again on doing saturday fast etc rigorously and > certain > > other things and more or less recouped everything though had to do > > hard work all along (again all not just due to saturn related > > reasons). This person was prescribed a neelam by his spiritual > guru > > which he was asked to wear on the ring (sun) finger. This is > > sometimes considered inappropriate but he had faith in his guru > and > > no harm came to him. > > > > Another individual who had great faith in astrology and gemstones > > and who was always into paying for his karma through his > pocketbook > > mostly through listening to peddlars of black magic -- died at a > > young age with no clear indicator of death. He was warned about > not > > messing around with that stuff but ... > > > > A case study I have described in details as an article (the girl > who > > was prescribed a pearl ...) I think it is on the boloji.com/astro > > site. > > > > I have also seen individuals who were scientists who had limited > > faith in astrology and none in gemstones and wearning gemstone did > > not influence them at all. > > > > Overall, I do not see any strong classical evidence in > recommending > > gemstones nor have I seen good documented evidence about their > > utility in a consistent manner. > > > > Someday I will be able to write about all these and more in a more > > cogent manner, godwilling. > > > > But don't include all remedies in the same bag -- you will be > doing > > yourself a disservice. Unless, that is what your heart desires. > > > > RR > > > > > > > > , "Manoshi" > <khallopapa> > > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > I am happy that I started this discussion and so many views came > > > forward. To summarize, most of us believe in remedies and a few > of > > > us dont... Though there is no proof that remedies work... As > > Tanvir > > > said, remedies worked in a different way, could not get back > what > > he > > > wanted but gave him the strength to cope up. Well,Inder said , > it > > > gives only peace of mind. Some said,leave it to God, he takes > > care. > > > Some said the remedies have worked for them and their friends... > > but > > > my question still remains what would have happened if remedies > > were > > > not done? How can we say that the positive or desired happened > > becos > > > of those remedies ? > > > Again, believing in Rebirth etc...I will probably do whatever I > > want > > > if someone tells me you will face the consequences in next > janam. > > > Who has seen next janam? > > > After all these discussions, I feel, it's only the matter of > > faith > > > and belief. Nobody knows for sure if remedies work or not but > some > > > have faith in them and some dont have. > > > Astrlogical predictions have been proved, there is CERTAINLY > > > something called predestined or learned astrologers could not > > > predict the future and we see them coming true. This is not > only > > > faith but fact. But other things....??? > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > p.s. now please dont jump on me ;-) > > > > > > --Manoshi > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Tanvir, > > > > You are right in teling about our lack of perfection in > > > astrological > > > > knowledge. May be this is divine order. > > > > May be this makes everyone of us astros or non-astros dance to > > the > > > > tunes of destiny. > > > > One incidence: > > > > I was working in Bangla Desh about 7-8 years ago. While > crossing > > a > > > > ferry [Jamuna], an old Babaji approached me. I was taken > > surprised > > > > when he spoke in Hindi [no body else speaks Hindi/Urdu there] > > and > > > > said -- something is going to happen tomorrow {next day} but > > > nothing > > > > would happen to you. I gave him 10 Taka as he spoke in Hindi. > > > > But next day I was caught in a boat accident, however in the > end > > > of > > > > the episode no body was hurt, and we all got saved. > > > > Now see he could read future partially and was satisfied with > a > > > > reward of 10 Taka. > > > > And also I had to make all efforts in panic the panic > situation > > to > > > > get myself saved eventhough I was assured by Babaji that > nothing > > > > would happen to me.!! > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > -- In , "Tanvir Chowdhury" > > > > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Rohini Ji, Inder Ji, and others, > > > > > > > > > > If Inder Ji is saying - (I am quoting Rohini Ji's lines, for > > > less > > > > > trouble) > > > > > > > > > > 1. "When the time is right for certain important things > > > (marriage > > > > > etc. - predestined) these happen anyway." > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > 2. "Whether you get remedials during those period or not, > the > > > > event > > > > > is destined to happen." > > > > > > > > > > Then I agree to Inder Ji 100 % on these two points. > > > > > > > > > > Ques. If your marriage happens ANYWAY in the 'DUE TIME', why > > do > > > > not > > > > > you sit IDLE and let it happen? > > > > > > > > > > Answer: This is a very good question which is often asked > BUT - > > > > > > > > > > 1) The 'Right answer' is often not given. > > > > > 2) Because the 'Right answer' is very difficult to explain > > > > > 3) The 'Right answer' is often not understood, either for - > > > > > > > > > > a) The answer is not clearly explained, or > > > > > b) The answer seeker aims that he would not understand it. > > > > > > > > > > To understand this answer one must sincerely try to > understand > > > it > > > > > without being interested in bubble-arguments, and there must > > be > > > a > > > > > very good communication between the two persons discussing > it. > > > > > > > > > > MY ANS: This answer lies in the line, "Our Jyotish > knowledge / > > > > skill > > > > > is never to powerful to predict it that accurately." If > anyone > > > has > > > > a > > > > > great spiritual understanding and/or great general sense / > IQ, > > > he > > > > can > > > > > understand it thinking the above line for a few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > We often see that a person tried to marry but he can not, > and > > > gets > > > > > delayed. We also often see that sometimes a marriage just > > > > happeneds > > > > > out of nothing. And we also see that one tries to marry and > > can > > > do > > > > as > > > > > he tries. So all 3 sort of things is possible, as our common > > > sense > > > > > says, ie 1) you try it, it gets delayed, 2) you do not try > it, > > > it > > > > > happens still, and 3) you try it, it happens... this is the > > > > pattern > > > > > of life and can really happen. This is nothing abnormal. > Your > > > > effort > > > > > may not be fruitful for you had lacks in your effort, this > is > > > > > natural. But how come your chart says that there will be > delay > > > in > > > > > marriage and as per THIS, you unwillingly made lacks in your > > > > effort > > > > > to unconsciously prove the chart-indication true? And you > can > > > end > > > > up > > > > > marrying without a pre-plan, but how come your chart was > > > > indicating > > > > > marriage or 'something like that' in THAT TIME it happened? > > Dear > > > > > readers, think this issue carefully, you will get your > answer. > > > > > > > > > > The 'something like that' I mentioned above it only for our > > > > limitacy > > > > > in jyotish knowledge, so we do not actually declare what is > > > going > > > > to > > > > > happen in real. But ALL THE TIMES the event is ONE OF > > > > > THESE 'something' that is indicated to happen and the > > suppossed > > > > > strong indications often come purely true in real that is > > > > why 'strong > > > > > indication' and 'weak indication' terms are used. > > > > > > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Inder ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you in a round-about way saying that when the time is > > > right > > > > for > > > > > > certain important things (marriage etc -- predestined) > these > > > > happen > > > > > > anyway and only in those time periods one would have > > benefits > > > of > > > > > > remedies? In other words whether you get remedials during > > > those > > > > > > period or not, the event is destined to happen. Ergo, > > > remedials > > > > are > > > > > > of no real help! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2004 Report Share Posted July 14, 2004 I guess that is really another topic Rohini Ji. Your point was at first, if I read them correctly, was a remedy will work "none" or "less" if the person has no faith. that is what you have said manytimes and also given the example of scientist people wearing stones with no faith and having no changes. But sustaining effect VS faith is really another topic. As per your principle of faith, a person with faith will do the remedy and it will work, and if not with faith it will not work, and even if he continues the remedy without faith it will not work - these are what your point would imply, not so? :-) Sustained effort comes later, in my view a person doing remedy will see either +ive or -ive changes and that would inspire him to sustain the effort... Well, may be 'agree to disagree'... LOL ! Regs, Tan. , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I don't think so, Tanvir. In order to do fasting, pooja, volunteer > service, penance -- all of which take sustained efforts, having > faith would be a given. Why else would one go through all that. In > contrast, other than the financial cost, acquiring a gemstone is > easy and does not require faith as a prerequisite. Hence the focus > on gemstones particularly. I think that has been the consistent theme > in my discussion. > > RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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